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Cyber search engine exposes vulnerabilities - The Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/cyber-search-engine-exposes-vulnerabilities/2012/06/03/gJQAIK9KCV_story.html
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QuietShootr
06-04-12, 11:09
You know what's so ****ing stupid about this?
In the rush to connect every****ingthing to the goddamned Internet, all these 'smart guys' forgot something that us old 80s hacker/phone phreaks have known since....umm....we got our first computers. If it's connected to an external network, somebody can get into it.
Why in the hippy **** is there no air gap between a particle accelerator and the entire goddamned Internet? What genius was smart enough to have a particle accelerator, but too ****in' stupid to figure out that a motivated 14-year-old could get in and **** around with it if it's connected to the Internet? Yeah, I know...security software, encryption, tunneling, VPN, blahblahblahblah....but at the end of the day there's a reason really secure shit is isolated - because if it's not, SOMEBODY can get in.
Jesus, people are dumb.
You know what's so ****ing stupid about this?
In the rush to connect every****ingthing to the goddamned Internet, all these 'smart guys' forgot something that us old 80s hacker/phone phreaks have known since....umm....we got our first computers. If it's connected to an external network, somebody can get into it.
My God, it's like a Boys from Brazil experiment. I was running an Apple II plus with dual floppies in 1980. I remember when hacking was little more than making a phone call.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/P1003710.jpg
Remember when those kids got into Norad with a ****ing radio shack TRS-80?
Yeah, these kids (http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/wargames_movie_image__3_.jpg).
Yeah, these kids (http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/wargames_movie_image__3_.jpg).
Actually some kids actually did it, which was the basis for the movie. Made the cover of Time magazine.
QuietShootr
06-04-12, 17:05
My God, it's like a Boys from Brazil experiment. I was running an Apple II plus with dual floppies in 1980. I remember when hacking was little more than making a phone call.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/P1003710.jpg
Remember when those kids got into Norad with a ****ing radio shack TRS-80?
I've been telling you for years we were bruthas from anotha motha. Every time you post pics from the 80s it's like we were in the same neighborhood. I didn't have an Apple, though, I had one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer We were big time. I had 384kb of memory when 16kb was a lot, and even had the matching IBM dot-matrix printer as well as a Hayes 1200.
I caused trouble.
QuietShootr
06-04-12, 17:06
Actually some kids actually did it, which was the basis for the movie. Made the cover of Time magazine.
Yup. Remember Captain Midnight?
Ubisoft introduced a new game called Watch Dogs today that is surprisingly relevant to this discussion. Here's (http://youtu.be/n3F3KW-2ABc) the video.
It's quiet disturbing that our lack of privacy and diminishing control of the government is good enough to provide a structure to a game.
I didn't have an Apple, though, I had one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer We were big time. I had 384kb of memory when 16kb was a lot, and even had the matching IBM dot-matrix printer as well as a Hayes 1200.
I caused trouble.
I got my II plus in 1980, that IBM wasn't out yet. I really wanted a black Bell & Howell version though.
And now that you mention it, I do remember Capt. Midnight. Didn't catch it live but I remember everyone talking about it.
I remember doing some fun stuff. Went further than the typical Bag of Tricks hacking programs. I remember our little hacking crew used to pirate Sirius computer games directly from the source every few months. That was about as sophisticated as we got and honestly no easy task.
QuietShootr
06-04-12, 22:25
I got my II plus in 1980, that IBM wasn't out yet. I really wanted a black Bell & Howell version though.
And now that you mention it, I do remember Capt. Midnight. Didn't catch it live but I remember everyone talking about it.
I remember doing some fun stuff. Went further than the typical Bag of Tricks hacking programs. I remember our little hacking crew used to pirate Sirius computer games directly from the source every few months. That was about as sophisticated as we got and honestly no easy task.
We were more phone phreaks and cable engineers. I was a dealer for Scientific Atlanta descramblers and traps at the age of 14 (amazing what a well written letter could do back then). Always had all the free cable channels and long distance calls we needed. One of my dickhead friends even swiped a box key from a cable truck so we could get into every outside cable box in the city. Back then all you had to do most of the time was get the box open and take the traps out for the channels you wanted. Ah, the days before addressable boxes :D
Ubisoft introduced a new game called Watch Dogs today that is surprisingly relevant to this discussion. Here's (http://youtu.be/n3F3KW-2ABc) the video.
It's quiet disturbing that our lack of privacy and diminishing control of the government is good enough to provide a structure to a game.
Wow. They have my attention. I don't like ubisoft, but damn
Wow. They have my attention. I don't like ubisoft, but damn
I had some time to kill today so I watched their press conference at E3. They showed some game play and it's a cross between Grand Theft Auto, The Matrix, and Splinter Cell. Looks very intriguing.
We were more phone phreaks and cable engineers. I was a dealer for Scientific Atlanta descramblers and traps at the age of 14 (amazing what a well written letter could do back then). Always had all the free cable channels and long distance calls we needed. One of my dickhead friends even swiped a box key from a cable truck so we could get into every outside cable box in the city. Back then all you had to do most of the time was get the box open and take the traps out for the channels you wanted. Ah, the days before addressable boxes :D
God how I miss those old cable boxes with the slider bar to change channels. Open with screwdriver and remove blocking pin.
Beyond that I never messed with them much, but I do remember the SA company. We were more about computer video games than anything else. I remember in 81 they used to sell for like $69 or $99 for a single game on a floppy. According to those retail prices we were engaged in grand larceny.
:sarcastic:
I had some time to kill today so I watched their press conference at E3. They showed some game play and it's a cross between Grand Theft Auto, The Matrix, and Splinter Cell. Looks very intriguing.
Actually, after some thought, I'm rescinding that opinion.
This looks like more "Be afraid of the Internet because boogie men can attack you with it" propaganda bull shit. It's obviously in line with the public conditioning done by mass media to get things like CISPA passed. Same company, Ubisoft, is putting out the new Rainbow Six "Patriots" game, where they make the constitutionalists that want the laws upheld out to be domestic terrorists. Ubisoft is foreign owned and obviously has an agenda. They'll never get another dine from me.
Sure the graphics look great, and it's probably fun to play, but if it promotes ideas that are an affront to my country and it's heritage and vitality and liberty, then off they can **** with their game.
Sorry to thread jack and rant. Ubisoft is the devil.
montanadave
06-05-12, 08:27
Say what you will, the little piece of electrical tape over the camera on my laptop is staying put!
I got my II plus in 1980, that IBM wasn't out yet. I really wanted a black Bell & Howell version though.
I was in JHS/HS and taught some programming classes at an elementary school after hours and in the summer. I had unlimited access to their computer labs outside of school hours (I could stay until midnight if I wanted to). I did not own the computer, but had lots of access. How I learned to program actually.
And THEY had the cool black Bell and Howell versions of the Apple II+ computers.
The first computers we had at home were a PDT-11/150 and an Atari 400. I think the PDT came first but the Atari 400 came soon thereafter, with an aftermarket 48k RAM upgrade and an aftermarket real keyboard.
When my dad figured out that the PDT-11/150 would cost as much to get fixed as he paid for it in the first place, he sold it and replaced the Atari 400 with an Atari 800.
The Atari 800 was a more technologically advanced version of the Apple II, more or less. Same CPU (but running 70% faster) but far superior graphics processing system, and a better IO system (though no slots -- done through intelligent connections over special serial cables).
The Apple II was a lot more expensive than the Atari and my friends all had Ataris.
For a picture of a PDT-11/150, look at this page, and about 3/4 of the way down (by pic count) on the right you will see one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-11
Basically an LSI-11 chip (low end PDP-11) without the I/O bus. Your 2 8" floppies and the serial ports was all you had. Ours ran RT11 and we had a VT62 terminal (specialized version of VT52) on it and a 300 and later 1200bps modem, and a floor mount line printer terminal which I think was an LA36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ1jkINFVho shows an LA36
That was our home computer! Was cool as we had real commercial compilers for all sorts of languages and stuff that you would not normally have at home (including a 6502 cross compiler and emulator system of some sort so I could do things for the Atari).
My dad worked for DEC and DEC sold off the remaining PDT-11/150 systems to employees, with VT62 terminal and LA36 DecWriter printer terminal, for about $1100. My dad figured it was a good way to get his kids learning about computers.
I did not do "hacking" in the break-into things sense but did lots of "hacking" in the exploring sense of programming stuff.
And we had all the cool text based games of the times like Dungeon and Adventure, and eventually "Empire" was ported IIRC. And all sorts of other games written in BASIC that were fun to play with...
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And THEY had the cool black Bell and Howell versions of the Apple II+ computers.
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And they were the only ones who did, the black B&H computers were made exclusively for the school system.
And they were the only ones who did, the black B&H computers were made exclusively for the school system.
Yes and no. B&H manufactured them for the educational market only, but you could routinely find dealers in the back of BYTE or CREATIVE COMPUTERS magazines who sold them. At a large mark-up of course.
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chadbag, QuietShootr and SteyrAUG, you two sound like a bunch of old coots sitting on a park bench talking about the good old days..Can I join in? I had a C64 and used to lord it over my friend who had a Tandy Color Computer II and the other one who had the TI-99. Oh yes I remember the old cable boxes where with a simply dental tool (IIRC) you could flip the switches and get unlimited cable. This of course was what I wanted at the age of 11, free soft core porn on Skinnimax.
chadbag, QuietShootr and SteyrAUG, you two sound like a bunch of old coots sitting on a park bench talking about the good old days..Can I join in? I had a C64 and used to lord it over my friend who had a Tandy Color Computer II and the other one who had the TI-99.
I am sorry. I really am. :-) C64 was the mass market DPMS of home computers...
Technologically speaking, the Atari 400/800 line were far superior :-) (And funnily, the guy who ran Commodore bought Atari and came out with the later ST, while the guys who designed the Atari 400/800 chips that were more advanced, went to Commodore and made the Amiga)
My HS became one of Commodore's pilot programs for educational use of the C64 when it was a new product. We got a ton of them almost given to us and the Commodore top brass came to our HS for a big roll out and celebration with catered food. (The best part was the catered food, as the C64 was cr*p and we let the teachers know it :-) ). Being in the computer club and in the first vanguard of "computer science" students (starting with a computer class based on a PDP11/03 and tons of workbooks learning about "core memory" and such a few years earlier), we were tasked with helping out at this C64 roll out party...
Ah, the good old days...
Now, I carry a phone in my pocket that is multiple orders of magnitude more powerful than any of these computers and I run it off of batteries the whole day.
Oh yes I remember the old cable boxes where with a simply dental tool (IIRC) you could flip the switches and get unlimited cable. This of course was what I wanted at the age of 11, free soft core porn on Skinnimax.
We did not have cable when I lived in Mass. It had started to roll out in cities but not the semi-rural "bedroom" communities except in the downtown areas of each town. Heck, in my family, renting a VCR once or twice a year was a special treat.
Oh yes I remember the old cable boxes where with a simply dental tool (IIRC) you could flip the switches and get unlimited cable. This of course was what I wanted at the age of 11, free soft core porn on Skinnimax.
Ahhh the classics...HOTS, Private School, Private Lessons, Lady Chatterley's Lover, Emmanuelle and one of my favorites Dressed to Kill.
Honorable mention to Aerobicize.
QuietShootr
06-05-12, 20:34
chadbag, QuietShootr and SteyrAUG, you two sound like a bunch of old coots sitting on a park bench talking about the good old days..Can I join in? I had a C64 and used to lord it over my friend who had a Tandy Color Computer II and the other one who had the TI-99. Oh yes I remember the old cable boxes where with a simply dental tool (IIRC) you could flip the switches and get unlimited cable. This of course was what I wanted at the age of 11, free soft core porn on Skinnimax.
I could be a snob back then - I had one of the first IBM PCs when they came out in 1981. I knew a guy who ran a BBS on the old RBBS-PC software using a Trash-80 Color Computer, which was about all it could handle. He hand-typed every line of that ****in code in to get it to work right.
Remember when you could set up Hayes modems to auto-redial using AT commands? I thought I'd died and gone to heaven after using that stupid Radio Shack 300 baud manual you had to dial the phone manually with, then flip the switch to connect. Wardialing, baby....before the term was even coined. We had a 2nd phone line, so Mom and Dad wouldn't get shitty about taking 24 hours to search the city for carriers.
We were getting in and ****ing with SCADA 25 years before all the script kiddies today had even heard of such a thing.
And boxing? Oh, man. Blue boxing... For you chilluns, here's the kind of shit we passed around back in the day.
http://www.textfiles.com/phreak/BLUEBOXING/bhbb1.hac
http://www.textfiles.com/phreak/BLUEBOXING/
I don't remember too much about the Macintosh Performa my parents had in the early 90s, other than having fun with simple text speech
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