Del-Ton Uppers

[merder inc]

I recently purchased a Del-Ton upper from Midway; had ordered an M4 contour but was shipped a mid length by mistake and ended up keeping it. I've seen a few conflicting reviews of them on here but here is my take. First thing I notice is it's dry as a bone. I don't expect a lubricated unit but I mean dry as not even any assembly lube on anything. Everything feels very gritty even after a cleaning and a thorough lubrication and a multiple hundred round break-in. Accuracy with A2 sights was decent compared to most and I haven't had the first issue with it. It was just a scenario when out of the box it didn't have that "right" feeling to it that I expect from a major player in the market. I really wanted to try out the M4 1x7" upper they offered but the wait was into September to order one. Anybody have any thoughts?

[GeorgiaBoy]

Del-ton is trash. Bottom line. Sell the upper. Do some research. Buy a better upper. (Such as, but not limited to: BCM, Daniel Defense, Colt, LMT, Noveske)

[merder inc]

That was quick. Personal experience? It feels like it's full of lapping compound when you pull the charging handle. Very gritty.

[warpigM-4]

Del-ton is trash. Bottom line. Sell the upper. Do some research. Buy a better upper. (Such as, but not limited to: BCM, Daniel Defense, Colt, LMT, Noveske)
+1 on what he said

[jashonkey]

I was at the range a couple of weeks ago and the fellow next to us was shooting a new Del-ton. Out of about 100 rounds, he experienced around 15 malfunctions of various sorts. He told his companion that all ARs require a break in period. I wanted to mention to him that a "good" M4 does not require a break in. I could tell that he did not want to hear what I wanted to tell him about Del-ton.

[KrampusArms]

Del-ton is trash. Bottom line. Sell the upper. Do some research. Buy a better upper. (Such as, but not limited to: BCM, Daniel Defense, Colt, LMT, Noveske)

Its a vicious circle. I love these responses.

I in good faith would not be able to sell a piece of trash to an ignorant buyer.


You sell your garbage to a helpless sucker
Who then learns he bought a suckass gun.
Said sucker starts a thread about his purchase sucking.
Gets advice his S$#T sucks & to sell to another sucker.
Rinse and repeat.

[GeorgiaBoy]

That was quick. Personal experience? It feels like it's full of lapping compound when you pull the charging handle. Very gritty.

I had a fair share of lower quality AR's before getting rid of them to switch to quality brands. In the AR world, there are manufacters who make quality guns, and those that don't. Some skimp on important processes that make guns reliable and long-lasting, while others don't.

Your typical "consumer" brands like Del-ton, Rock River Arms, Bushmaster, DPMS, Olympic, Stag, ect, are those kinds of manufacturer.

If you want a DECENT weapon, like I said, sell your Del-ton upper and buy a upper from a manufacturer that DOES do the right things, like BCM, Daniel Defense, ect.

Look, heres what I would do if I were you. Keep the lower you have now, its probably decent. Sell your Delton upper and BCG on Gunbroker or on AR15.COM's Equipment Exchange. Get some money back from that original purchase. Then save up some extra cash, and buy this:

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M4-16-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-m4-16.htm

And you will need a quality BCG to go with it: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bolt-Carrier-Group-MPI-Auto-M16-p/bcm%20bolt%20carrier%20group%20auto%20mp.htm

I would also read up on these threads:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=56063
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7376

I may be coming off as harsh, but trust me, I am doing my best to help you and point you in the right direction. ;)

[GeorgiaBoy]

Its a vicious circle. I love these responses.

I in good faith would not be able to sell a piece of trash to an ignorant buyer.


You sell your garbage to a helpless sucker
Who then learns he bought a suckass gun.
Said sucker starts a thread about his purchase sucking.
Gets advice his S$#T sucks & to sell to another sucker.
Rinse and repeat.

So the person is to keep the upper, and be out of $500? There sounds like there's nothing functionally wrong with his gun, it just sounds like typical low-tier manufacturing to me.

There are many people out there that believe all AR's are the same, and would be happy to get a cheap Delton upper off a person. It doesn't mean they are a helpless sucker.

[MistWolf]

New uppers with new charging handles will feel gritty until the parts get to know each other

[KrampusArms]

So the person is to keep the upper, and be out of $500? There sounds like there's nothing functionally wrong with his gun, it just sounds like typical low-tier manufacturing to me.

There are many people out there that believe all AR's are the same, and would be happy to get a cheap Delton upper off a person. It doesn't mean they are a helpless sucker.

Maybe "helpless sucker" is a bit much, but ignorant yes.

Failed attempt at humor I guess.

When I was enlightened, & made privy, I decided to keep my RRA as it works really well. But thats just me.

OP keep the Del-Ton. Just buy an additional rifle thats superior. Odds are your Del-Ton will give you great performance.

[C4IGrant]

Del-Ton is a "Major Player?" Who knew!




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[NC_DAVE]

Funny you say this, I am trying to sell my first AR (cmmg bargin bin/DPMS). When I give buyer fair warning and tell them why I don't like it they say " that is it, sounds ok":blink:. However they all want to make payments and that shit aint happening.


Its a vicious circle. I love these responses.

I in good faith would not be able to sell a piece of trash to an ignorant buyer.


You sell your garbage to a helpless sucker
Who then learns he bought a suckass gun.
Said sucker starts a thread about his purchase sucking.
Gets advice his S$#T sucks & to sell to another sucker.
Rinse and repeat.

[polymorpheous]

Del-Ton is a "Major Player?" Who knew!




C4

That's what I thought when I read that.

[lifebreath]

I sold my Del-Ton at a slight loss to a local guy who wanted an inexpensive AR plinker. I disclosed why I was selling and it fazed him not. Then, I went and bought so much other stuff that the loss on the Del-Ton became VERY insignificant. Problem solved... :blink:

[merder inc]

I had a fair share of lower quality AR's before getting rid of them to switch to quality brands. In the AR world, there are manufacters who make quality guns, and those that don't. Some skimp on important processes that make guns reliable and long-lasting, while others don't.

Your typical "consumer" brands like Del-ton, Rock River Arms, Bushmaster, DPMS, Olympic, Stag, ect, are those kinds of manufacturer.

If you want a DECENT weapon, like I said, sell your Del-ton upper and buy a upper from a manufacturer that DOES do the right things, like BCM, Daniel Defense, ect.

Look, heres what I would do if I were you. Keep the lower you have now, its probably decent. Sell your Delton upper and BCG on Gunbroker or on AR15.COM's Equipment Exchange. Get some money back from that original purchase. Then save up some extra cash, and buy this:

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M4-16-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-m4-16.htm

And you will need a quality BCG to go with it: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bolt-Carrier-Group-MPI-Auto-M16-p/bcm%20bolt%20carrier%20group%20auto%20mp.htm

I would also read up on these threads:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=56063
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7376

I may be coming off as harsh, but trust me, I am doing my best to help you and point you in the right direction. ;)

My first AR was back in 2000 when I bought a 16" Bushmaster, I then got in Highpower and used a DPMS DCM upper a Bushmaster lower and ranked Master in a couple years. I changed barrels at about 8K and went Kreiger. I have not been able to notice any change in performance from the original DPMS setup other than having to enlarge the gas hole because of function problems.

Best accuracy out of the box was 1x7 MT6601 Colt HBAR with nothing but a float tube installed and a 1/2 MOA sight. That rifle would whip even a full blown space gun across the course.

I saw the post about parts being gritty when new but I have never experienced this type before of any of the half dozen or so I have had.

I will probably keep the upper until I have any issues, if I have any, none so far. I have plenty wrapped up in my service rifle and just wanted a utility gun.

Awesome discussions though and great feedback, thanks everyone.

[p22shooter30]

this forum is not the place to discuss "trash" as they call it, AR components. go over to ar15.com and the guys who shoot deltons at the range or in the woods do not compain much about them. my brother loves his delton middy upper and it shoots great. everyone here expects thier carbines to last in everyday firefights, not to be cheap plinking toys. if you plan on maintaining it and not taking it to afganistan, you will probably be fine with it.

[p22shooter30]

I had a fair share of lower quality AR's before getting rid of them to switch to quality brands. In the AR world, there are manufacters who make quality guns, and those that don't. Some skimp on important processes that make guns reliable and long-lasting, while others don't.

Your typical "consumer" brands like Del-ton, Rock River Arms, Bushmaster, DPMS, Olympic, Stag, ect, are those kinds of manufacturer.

If you want a DECENT weapon, like I said, sell your Del-ton upper and buy a upper from a manufacturer that DOES do the right things, like BCM, Daniel Defense, ect.

Look, heres what I would do if I were you. Keep the lower you have now, its probably decent. Sell your Delton upper and BCG on Gunbroker or on AR15.COM's Equipment Exchange. Get some money back from that original purchase. Then save up some extra cash, and buy this:

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M4-16-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-m4-16.htm

And you will need a quality BCG to go with it: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bolt-Carrier-Group-MPI-Auto-M16-p/bcm%20bolt%20carrier%20group%20auto%20mp.htm

I would also read up on these threads:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=56063
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7376

I may be coming off as harsh, but trust me, I am doing my best to help you and point you in the right direction. ;)

you never answered if you have owned a delton or not

[3 AE]

To the OP, You bought what you bought. Just lube it up as per the "Sticky" and live with it. Shoot it like your life depended on it. Keep track of your rounds and maintenance and if you have problems that you can't correct post it here. Plenty of members that will try and help you as long as you keep it objective.

[C4IGrant]

this forum is not the place to discuss "trash" as they call it, AR components. go over to ar15.com and the guys who shoot deltons at the range or in the woods do not compain much about them. my brother loves his delton middy upper and it shoots great. everyone here expects thier carbines to last in everyday firefights, not to be cheap plinking toys. if you plan on maintaining it and not taking it to afganistan, you will probably be fine with it.

Most people never shoot their guns with any kind of volume. They also RARELY take them to training.

All AR's work while sitting in the safe.



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[JSantoro]

you never answered if you have owned a delton or not

...and your armchair analysis of ..."everyone here expects their carbines to last in everyday firefights..." is a gross oversimplification, and appears to be deliberately stated. A politician's rhetorical gambit, designed to polarize a conversation and leave out the middle of the bell-curve.

The middle deserves to be heard. The AR-shooting community has more than two population subsets, despite your desire to ignore (or inability to realize...) it.

Putting aside our policies against "baiting/instigating," your intent to trivialize the folks who's lives DO depend upon purpose-made equipment will not to be tolerated.

Leave this thread, and either go back to coloring, or do your homework, starting here: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=70019

EDIT: In case it's somehow unclear...

If a member of the moderator staff shuts down somebody's brain-droppings, you don't get to quote them and comment on what they said any more.

De facto/du jure, we say STOP, everybody stops the nonsense, and the thread comes back to what it's actually about.

-Read the OP.
-Respond to the OP in a helpful fashion.....or shut up.

If any analogue of "Well, I have Just One More Thing To Say..." pops into your head, and it has nothing to do with the primary topic....do yourself a favor and don't hit Submit.

[merder inc]

Most people never shoot their guns with any kind of volume. They also RARELY take them to training.

All AR's work while sitting in the safe.



C4

Agreed. My service rifle DPMS upper/Bushmaster lower is going on 12K rounds without a malfunction due to the rifle itself. Personal experience forbids me to lump those mfgs. into the "that kind of mfg." category. But if I'm going to be accused of discussing "that kind of trash" so be it. I'm sure not going to be run out of a forum for an honest opinion.

I'm going to keep pumping rounds out of this Del-Ton upper until it either works or it doesn't. I have been satisfied with functionality and accuracy so far.

[GeorgiaBoy]

I will probably keep the upper until I have any issues, if I have any, none so far. I have plenty wrapped up in my service rifle and just wanted a utility gun.

Awesome discussions though and great feedback, thanks everyone.

An a utility gun it should serve as well. I just didn't want you trusting your life with a Del-ton, and for you to know more about them.

[GeorgiaBoy]

you never answered if you have owned a delton or not

To make it clear for you: No, I have not. I HAVE owned similar brands.