Sling mounting solutions? [Archive]

themighty9mm

06-16-12, 17:06

I'm looking for a bolt on sling mount solution. I dont want anything permanent, and dont wish to mess with colts staking.

Currently I have a VCAS sling mounted to the rail using a blue force gear mount. The very simple one that is nothing more than a block of aluminum and a screw. The sling is then mounted through the standard m4 stock through the slot.

What I'm looking for is a solution that wiill allow me to mount the sling at the end plate, and a new mount for the rail. Preferably one that offers, some swivle or even possibly limited rotation.

Using the site sponsores. I found SKD tactical has a couple possible solutions. One made by troy, and another made by tango down I beleive. Are either of these worth buying? Will they allow the mount to rotate on the buffer tube? (I dont want that to happen) I have never used QD points on a sling. Will they hold up to a weapon being droped from the shoulder?

Also any ideas for a solution for the rail?

KrampusArms

06-16-12, 17:29

EDIT Missed the part about not wanting to mess with staking

themighty9mm

06-16-12, 17:41

I have GG&G QD sling endplate. Its just an endplate with a hole in the middle. Just like the Noveske version. Its pretty slick. It does rotate a bit but the castle nut prevents it from doing a 360. It came with a heavy duty QD swivel to accommodate 1.50 sling webbing. I dont use it anymore however. Interested?

Perhaps, however I dont want to commit to anything yet. As I want all options laid out.

KrampusArms

06-16-12, 17:46

Perhaps, however I dont want to commit to anything yet. As I want all options laid out.

Yeah I apologies, over looked the staking deal. I wouldn't mess with it either.

I believe QD mounts are pretty damn robust. I dropped my rifle from the shoulder several times without any trouble. I think its a durable & strong mounting option. The clamp on castle nut types should be GTG imo.

Hmac

06-16-12, 17:53

Duffy

06-16-12, 17:57

From Mission Adapted Design :)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/MADHookup.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/MADHookup2.jpg

themighty9mm

06-16-12, 18:47

I'd just switch it out for a Noveske endplate. The staking is no big deal. It will break easily with a receiver vise and a good quality castle nut wrench (Hammerhead tool is excellent).

Then just re-stake. A little tap with a punch and you're good to go.

I relize it is easy. I have even done staking before. It is just not something I wish to mess with. A bolt on solution (provided it is just as effective) is far more easy, and not as permanent.

whick1

06-16-12, 20:38

I would look at the Daniel Defense EZ Mount
https://danieldefense.com/mounts/sling/ez-carbine-qd-swivel-attachment-point.html

I run one of these on my rifle at work because we cannot make any permanent modifications to the weapons such as move castle nut. It is very easy to mount and is rock solid. You can get it with or without the QD swivel.

doubletap2211

06-16-12, 21:35

Shane1

06-17-12, 09:24

I've been using the Tango Down PR4 mount for about 4 years now. No need to remove anything if you dont want too. Front wise, really any of the good manufacturs will work. I have DD, VTAC and MI in use on various carbines. Its just a matter or personal preference on which one will work best for your needs.

rob_s

06-17-12, 11:11

For someone who can't, shouldn't, or won't remove the castle nut, the Tango Down PR4 (http://www.skdtac.com/TangoDown-Sling-Mount-PR4-Ambi-QD-p/tng.207.htm) is the A-answer IMO.

For the front, there are options to mount to the top rail, and options to mount to the side. IME those that limit rotation, and do it at stops 45* to the bore (as opposed to inline with the bore and 90* to it) are best for the forward mount. One such that attaches to the top rail and that I have had good luck with is the Viking Tactics (http://www.skdtac.com/Viking-Tactics-Low-Profile-Sling-Mount-LPSM-p/vkg.210.htm).

JW1069

06-17-12, 13:43

From Mission Adapted Design :)

I'm biased, but this is a simple and solid solution.;) You can check the review in the Tactical Gear sub forum, https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=104654

The PR-4 is a solid mount offering QD sockets, but it's also the most expensive clamp on mount out there. You lose the center QD socket if you want to run your stock in close leaving the user to commit to the 3 or 9 o'clock position. Another factor is that adding hook hardware to the OP's VCAS is about 1/3 the cost of PB sling swivels. If going this route, I'd get the PB swivels from BFG or another top company as these are very precise parts to machine.

hals1

06-17-12, 14:12

From Mission Adapted Design :)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/MADHookup.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/MADHookup2.jpg

You didn't stake your castle nut? Or just on the other side?:D

frogger

06-17-12, 14:21

This...

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/413415/troy-industries-professional-grade-rear-sling-mount-adapter-2-position-ambidextrous-with-quick-detach-sling-swivel-ar-15-carbine-aluminum-black

or this...

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/738679/midwest-industries-rear-sling-mount-adapter-with-quick-detach-sling-swivel-attachment-point-ar-15-carbine-aluminum-matte

I've used the 2nd one before and it worked well. Both (along with pretty much all the solutions suggested here) will prevent you from locking your stock in the most closed position.

kmrtnsn

06-17-12, 14:22

From Mission Adapted Design :)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/MADHookup.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/MADHookup2.jpg

This is exactly what I have been looking for. Many MIL and and LE cannot remove the receiver extension and replace the end plate, this'll be popular.

themighty9mm

06-17-12, 14:40

Do any of the above buffer tube bolt on options, allow the device to rotate?

3 AE

06-17-12, 15:09

Do any of the above buffer tube bolt on options, allow the device to rotate?

Here's a thread that has some info on the DD and Troy bolt on rear sling mounts. The Troy mount bolts on over the castle nut and has ears/lugs on either side where the QD sockets are machined into. These ears protrude forward on either side of the receiver and would prevent rotation of the mount. I don't know if that was a design feature or it just worked out that way. If your castle nut is staked properly and the mount is securely tightened, you won't have a problem.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=104603

gunfighter48

06-17-12, 16:38

Take a look at Impact Weapons sling hardware. They make excellent quality products.

http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/

themighty9mm

06-17-12, 20:46

Not being truely happy with any of these solutions. I decided to replace my blue force gear sling loop on the handguard with a daniel defence QD loop. So that should fix that portion of my wants. As far as the stock attatchment. I think I will just live with looping the sling through the stock for now.
Thank you for the help though and will keep these options in mind if it continues to bother me

mdrums

06-17-12, 21:17

Hey..perfect...just what I was looking for...funny I was on DD's site too and missed this...THANKS!:D

I would look at the Daniel Defense EZ Mount
https://danieldefense.com/mounts/sling/ez-carbine-qd-swivel-attachment-point.html

I run one of these on my rifle at work because we cannot make any permanent modifications to the weapons such as move castle nut. It is very easy to mount and is rock solid. You can get it with or without the QD swivel.

justin_247

06-17-12, 23:50

Tangodown has a nice sling mount, too. Pat Rogers runs it...
http://tangodown.com/shop/images/pr4.jpg

http://tangodown.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=40

Duffy

06-18-12, 09:44

I have a bunch of the KAC carbine end plate sling adapters, couple of the now discontinued DD equivalent, the new DD EZ CAR QD adapter, Tangodown PR4s, and the MAD (Mission Adapted Design) Hook Up adapter.

Of these, I liked the KAC adapter the best, as it forms a natural extension from the receiver, and is unobtrusive, most of my carbine stocks can completely collapse with it installed. The PR4 is nice but big, there's no way to completely collapse the stock, which may be a small issue for optics with short eye relief (like my beloved 4x32 ACOGs). The older DD adapter has a single QD socket and works well, but it's impossible to find now..

The DD EZ CAR QD adapter, like the PR4 and MAD Hook up, bolts onto the receiver extension, and is great for folks whose unit/department doesn't allow modification of issued gear.

The Hook up, like the Magpul ASAP, allows effortless transition from strong side to weak side shooting, and what I like about it is that it has enough space between itself and the receiver and the stock to allow the HK hook or mash hook to move about during transition without undue fumbling, and the hook is out of the way of the shooting hand.

Snake_Pliskin

06-18-12, 09:52

What about this option:

http://www.zahal.org/products/narrow-velcro-strap-sling-adaptar?path_parent=153457

http://www.zahal.org/files/images/products/Slings/glr162.jpg

http://www.zahal.org/files/images/products/Slings/narrowvelcro3.jpg

Redbeardsong

06-03-13, 08:38

GG&G makes a lot of good sling adapters, including the "Agency QD Adapter" specifically for people who aren't allowed/able to permanently modify their rifles. It fits over the castle nut and doesn't get in the way of collapsing the stock:

http://www.gggaz.com/quick-detach-agency-rear-sling-attachment.html

Kokopelli

06-03-13, 08:47

I like the Troy for a bolt-on option.. Ron

http://troyind.com/%20/slingsmounts/sling-mounts-slingsmounts/troy-professional-grade-rifle-receiver-sling-adapter

dravz

06-03-13, 13:05

Frank Proctor's sling slips on with paracord.

http://wayofthegun.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=26&Itemid=22

jasonhgross

06-03-13, 13:21

Why dont you just keep it mounted to the rear of the stock. I have the Noveske end plate on my colt, but moved it back to the stock placement, gives me more control of the rifle when slung, and not an issue when mounted, simpler and doesnt need another mount.

jasonhgross

06-03-13, 13:23

GH41

06-03-13, 15:55

I also use the Troy http://troyind.com/%20/slingsmounts/sling-mounts-slingsmounts/troy-professional-grade-rifle-receiver-sling-adapter A monkey could put it on in 5 minutes and isn't going anwhere even if the nut comes loose. GH

streakpi

06-03-13, 16:17

I'm biased, but this is a simple and solid solution.;) You can check the review in the Tactical Gear sub forum, https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=104654

The PR-4 is a solid mount offering QD sockets, but it's also the most expensive clamp on mount out there. You lose the center QD socket if you want to run your stock in close leaving the user to commit to the 3 or 9 o'clock position. Another factor is that adding hook hardware to the OP's VCAS is about 1/3 the cost of PB sling swivels. If going this route, I'd get the PB swivels from BFG or another top company as these are very precise parts to machine.

Just purchased this MAD Hood Up based on this thread and several others. I tried to install a MAGPUL ASAP but own a Colt LE6920 and did not want to mess with the mil-spec stake. This MAD gives me more options and I can still use my MAGPUL sling with it. Thanks for the advice.