Gun ownership up, crime down: FBI rates show safer nation w more gun owners

[feedramp]

Gun ownership up, crime down: FBI violent-crime rates show safer nation with more gun owners (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/18/gun-ownership-up-crime-down/)

Notable:
Illinois and Washington, D.C., are the only places that refuse to recognize the right to bear arms.

Checking Drudge Report posts:

CHICAGOLAND: 25 shot overnight… ^
From the May 28, 2012 22:04:52 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

CHICAGOLAND Good Friday: Only 5 shot, 1 dead… ^
From the April 07, 2012 16:27:32 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

CHICAGOLAND: Hoodie-Wearing Gunmen Kill 1, Wound 5 in Bobby Rush’s District… ^
From the March 30, 2012 17:50:24 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

CHICAGOLAND: 16 shot, one dead in overnight shootings… ^
From the March 17, 2012 16:08:43 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

CHICAGOLAND: 24 hours without a murder — for first time in almost a year! ^
From the January 19, 2012 16:06:45 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

CHICAGOLAND: 17 shot last night… ^
From the October 08, 2011 12:22:39 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

Mmm-hmm.


The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence did not respond to requests for comment.

[Moltke]

Yay!!

[montanadave]

I have read numerous sources reporting the rather dramatic increase in gun sales in the last several years (translation: Obama administration) and do not dispute those numbers.

But the headlines are often somewhat misleading. While the number of firearms sold is at an all time high and there are, numerically, more individuals purchasing firearms, the percentage of Americans owning firearms is on the decline.

On the whole, the trend appears to more accurately reflect current gun owners purchasing additional firearms as opposed to simply more people buying guns although that, to a lesser extent, is also true.

That's certainly true in my situation, as I have purchased more firearms in the past few years than at any other time in my life but this is primarily due to finances and leisure time.

[chadbag]

But the headlines are often somewhat misleading. While the number of firearms sold is at an all time high and there are, numerically, more individuals purchasing firearms, the percentage of Americans owning firearms is on the decline.


Do you have a reference for that? (That the percentage of Americans owning firearms is on the decline).

I am not disputing it, but I would like some sort of reference that supports it that is reputable.

Anecdotally, I know a bunch of people who now own firearms but were not the firearms-type of person and in another universe wouldn't own firearms.


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[montanadave]

Do you have a reference for that? (That the percentage of Americans owning firearms is on the decline).

I am not disputing it, but I would like some sort of reference that supports it that is reputable.

Anecdotally, I know a bunch of people who now own firearms but were not the firearms-type of person and in another universe wouldn't own firearms.


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I should have prefaced those remarks by stating "I have read conflicting reports" and not stated it as a confirmed fact. My bad.

Here's a report based on data describing a downward trend in individual gun ownership (http://www.vpc.org/studies/ownership.pdf) while Gallop has data which indicate something entirely different (http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx).

Like you, I'd prefer to see accurate data from an unbiased source as both pro and anti-gun groups seem to have polls and numbers at the ready to bolster their respective positions. One factor highlighted in the Gallop report is the possible tendency of "self-reported" gun ownership in the nineties to have fallen off due to people being unwilling to acknowledge gun ownership at a time when the Clinton administration was implementing the AWB and, commensurately, an increase in reported gun ownership in the past decade as the Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly in favor of private gun ownership.

[GTifosi]

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence did not respond to requests for comment.

Ah yes, the Brady campaign.
Working hard day and night to take away your right to own 'incredibly powerful' semiautomatic firearms that 'aren't powerful enough for sporting or hunting use' and that employ 'high capacity' magazines in an effort to stop yet another politician being shot with a small caliber revolver.

NYC is fairly close on the refusal to allow the pesantry to own firearms too isn't it?
I mean, yes, you can jump through 18,000 hoops and then pay through the nose for 'permits', but that doesn't seem any more condusive to ownership than what DC and Chicago have going.

[Moltke]

I should have prefaced those remarks by stating "I have read conflicting reports" and not stated it as a confirmed fact. My bad.

Here's a report based on data describing a downward trend in individual gun ownership (http://www.vpc.org/studies/ownership.pdf) while Gallop has data which indicate something entirely different (http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx).

Like you, I'd prefer to see accurate data from an unbiased source as both pro and anti-gun groups seem to have polls and numbers at the ready to bolster their respective positions. One factor highlighted in the Gallop report is the possible tendency of "self-reported" gun ownership in the nineties to have fallen off due to people being unwilling to acknowledge gun ownership at a time when the Clinton administration was implementing the AWB and, commensurately, an increase in reported gun ownership in the past decade as the Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly in favor of private gun ownership.

Having referenced the VPC, you win.

[montanadave]

Having referenced the VPC, you win.

I don't know anything about them and merely provided the link as an example of what kicks up in a stroll through the intergoggle.

I'm simply curious as to whether the gun sales numbers indicate a statistically significant trend towards increasing individual gun ownership or are more indicative of current gun owners purchasing additional firearms.

[Honu]

I don't know anything about them and merely provided the link as an example of what kicks up in a stroll through the intergoggle.

I'm simply curious as to whether the gun sales numbers indicate a statistically significant trend towards increasing individual gun ownership or are more indicative of current gun owners purchasing additional firearms.

then why not find out who they are ?

and also shows you why the left is dangerous providing false info cause people like yourself and others somehow are confused by it thinking it might be real !
and instead of taking 1 minute and fact checking you put it in your head its a legit number !

its another TIDES foundation funded by soros
it was also started by a guy who wants ALL hand guns banned !
they have also been caught in lies before about stats

this forum seems to have some people that just pull stuff out and spit it out with out checking sources etc.. ?
yes I cant write I know but at least I know who I am quoting or linking to and if its legit or not ?

[polymorpheous]

Gun ownership is on the rise here in WI.
CCW finally became legal last November.

[montanadave]

then why not find out who they are ?

and also shows you why the left is dangerous providing false info cause people like yourself and others somehow are confused by it thinking it might be real !
and instead of taking 1 minute and fact checking you put it in your head its a legit number !

its another TIDES foundation funded by soros
it was also started by a guy who wants ALL hand guns banned !
they have also been caught in lies before about stats

this forum seems to be filled with people that just pull stuff out and spit it out with out checking sources etc.. ?
yes I cant write I know but at least I know who I am quoting or linking to and if its legit or not ?

And were you going to address my question?

[WillBrink]

I have read numerous sources reporting the rather dramatic increase in gun sales in the last several years (translation: Obama administration) and do not dispute those numbers.

Obama should be NRA gun salesman of the decade as I'll bet no single person has been directly responsible for the sales of more guns than he has in recent history.



But the headlines are often somewhat misleading. While the number of firearms sold is at an all time high and there are, numerically, more individuals purchasing firearms, the percentage of Americans owning firearms is on the decline.

Cite?

[Moltke]

I'd like to see unbiased raw data too, no slant, no spin, just figures. I figured you knew what the VPC was, just like many people know about Brady or the SLPC.

[Honu]

And were you going to address my question?

I cant cause I dont know and tend to not open my mouth on things I dont know :)

I could google some sites post some stuff but that is not answering ?

but do the research yourself and find out who you are listening to !

I was hoping you had some solid answer rather then well I did a quick search and this was a link ? but I dont know anything about it or the site that put it out ?

[feedramp]

Many who live in or come from socialist states tend not to voluntarily admit to strangers/surveys that they own firearms. We've seen too many instances where doing so can put a person in danger, cause them to be treated differently, or be used against them by the government down the road. So yes, gun ownership will always be under-reported.

[SMETNA]

Many who live in or come from socialist states tend not to voluntarily admit to strangers/surveys that they own firearms. We've seen too many instances where doing so can put a person in danger, cause them to be treated differently, or be used against them by the government down the road. So yes, gun ownership will always be under-reported.

Bingo

Registration is always the precursor to confiscation. Always.

So if I am not required to tell some "official" about my stash, I don't. Granted I'm sure they already know, but let's not make it too easy.

Theres probably only half a dozen people that have personally physically seen my weapons, because I trust them implicitly.

[Heavy Metal]

I have read numerous sources reporting the rather dramatic increase in gun sales in the last several years (translation: Obama administration) and do not dispute those numbers.

But the headlines are often somewhat misleading. While the number of firearms sold is at an all time high and there are, numerically, more individuals purchasing firearms, the percentage of Americans owning firearms is on the decline.

On the whole, the trend appears to more accurately reflect current gun owners purchasing additional firearms as opposed to simply more people buying guns although that, to a lesser extent, is also true.

That's certainly true in my situation, as I have purchased more firearms in the past few years than at any other time in my life but this is primarily due to finances and leisure time.

You are regurgitating Brady nonsense talking points with no facutal basis. The most recent Gallup Annual Survey showns the percentage of gun ownership increasing.

You have seriously sucked-hard onto the rear glass of the short-bus on this one.

[Heavy Metal]

I should have prefaced those remarks by stating "I have read conflicting reports" and not stated it as a confirmed fact. My bad.

Here's a report based on data describing a downward trend in individual gun ownership (http://www.vpc.org/studies/ownership.pdf) while Gallop has data which indicate something entirely different (http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx).

Like you, I'd prefer to see accurate data from an unbiased source as both pro and anti-gun groups seem to have polls and numbers at the ready to bolster their respective positions. One factor highlighted in the Gallop report is the possible tendency of "self-reported" gun ownership in the nineties to have fallen off due to people being unwilling to acknowledge gun ownership at a time when the Clinton administration was implementing the AWB and, commensurately, an increase in reported gun ownership in the past decade as the Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly in favor of private gun ownership.

Gee...VPC and Gallup....one couldn't tell thet truth if it's ass was on fire and the other is unbased and credible...I wonder which is which...:rolleyes:

[Moose-Knuckle]

I cannot count the number of firearms I've bought over the past four years off the top of my head. With that said, I have had many non-gun owning friends ask me "what should I get". It's not just gun owners buying more and more firearms, it's also people who have never owned a gun before making sales increase.

[Alex V]

I cannot count the number of firearms I've bought over the past four years off the top of my head. With that said, I have had many non-gun owning friends ask me "what should I get". It's not just gun owners buying more and more firearms, it's also people who have never owned a gun before making sales increase.

I recently assisted three friends in getting their NJ Fire Arms ID card and am going with one of them to the gun store to buy his first handgun sometime this week or next.

I don't really know what prompted them to seek firearm ownerhip but based on my small sample group I would say that there are quite a large percentage of virgin gun owners now.