the most honest 3 1/2 minutes of television, EVER...

[glocktogo]

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/07.12/television.html

Discuss!

[Honu]

HBO clip ?
So not sure what I am suposed to think ?

I was hoping it was going to be some thing that was real with real people not hollywood acting :)

Sorry just dont get it ? Thought with the title it was going to be real not a HBO clip For a new show?

[obucina]

is this from that Aaron Sorkin series? Nothing like espousing the greatness of a Republic like a fictional show written by a pseudo-intellectual/elitist ass clown whose claim to 2008 election fame was that Sara Palin was evil because hunting for wolves by helicopter was legal.

How does someone produce a piece for cable TV and cite the foolishness of identifying yourself by way of voting bloc when he does just that?

[obucina]

I would be impressed if David Mamet wrote it.

[glocktogo]

HBO clip ?
So not sure what I am suposed to think ?

I was hoping it was going to be some thing that was real with real people not hollywood acting :)

Sorry just dont get it ? Thought with the title it was going to be real not a HBO clip For a new show?

It's just a commentary on our society today. A real person couldn't say it and get away with it. HBO is a liberal POS. The actors most likely are as well. Focus on the words, not the delivery.

[VooDoo6Actual]

Thanks I enjoyed the truth it contained alot.

I could not have disagreed w/ anything he said. I probably could have added some more in there as well.

Having protected more liberal assclowns than anyone here will ever know it's a cancer as well.
Ever notice that actors/actresses make an obscene/absurd amount of $.
Ever notice that most have their heads up their ass when it comes to politics.
They think they are above ROL generally, eliteists & are some of the biggest hypocrits & cowards on the planet. Are there some good ones you bet, but they are far & few between. Charleton Heston & Chuck Norris come to mind. Stand up Gents from my time w/ them.

[glocktogo]

Thanks I enjoyed the truth it contained alot.

I could not have disagreed w/ anything he said. I probably could have added some more in there as well.

Having protected more liberal assclowns than anyone here will ever know it's a cancer as well.
Ever notice that actors/actresses make an obscene/absurd amount of $.
Ever notice that most have their heads up their ass when it comes to politics.
They think they are above ROL generally, eliteists & are some of the biggest hypocrits & cowards on the planet. Are there some good ones you bet, but they are far & few between. Charleton Heston & Chuck Norris come to mind. Stand up Gents from my time w/ them.

Same for Tom Selleck.

I always find it amusing how many anti-gun actors make a shitload of money running around with gun in hand in the movies. :rolleyes:

[Moose-Knuckle]

I posted this here (post #5) last month.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=106936

I loved the trailer, though I have not watched any of the episodes as I DO NOT pay for HBO.

Combine this with the video in that thread "You Are Not Special Commencement Speech"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lfxYhtf8o4

and I think some kids these days might learn a thing or two.

[montanadave]

You can hate the messenger (Sorkin) but the words ring true.

[VooDoo6Actual]

Same for Tom Selleck.

I always find it amusing how many anti-gun actors make a shitload of money running around with gun in hand in the movies. :rolleyes:

Yep just briefly met him & got a good vibe from him. I think that Rosie O'Donnell sucks hairy donkey weenie for setting him up on her show like she did.

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2011/01/05/tom-selleck-talks-guns-and-the-nra-on-the-rosie-odonnell-show/

Here's 8 other hypocrites you & I are referring to:

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/02/24/8-surprising-anti-gun-celebrities/

Funny when I worked for Sly in 80'-82' he was not that way. He barely got his CCW from LA County Sherriffs office recently. Wonder what that cost him ?

BTW his oldest son Sage OD'd today the 13th.

He makes millions on Expendables playing a "Merc" or John Rambo SF's but when I asked him if he would do some charity or plug for Wounded Warriors Fund got a NO thanks answer. Hypocritical mentality.

[sjc3081]

3.5 minutes of libtard bullshit, concealed in mixtures of fantasy and idealism.
France, Belgium and others free, horse shit.

[Honu]

It's just a commentary on our society today. A real person couldn't say it and get away with it. HBO is a liberal POS. The actors most likely are as well. Focus on the words, not the delivery.

The words are close to one in the same of the delivery ?
Nothing new nothing shocking many left dont like the US
Most of these people have never lived anywhere else in their lives
Or if they do go somewhere they stay at the best hotels or they go be guest of old chavez and say how great it is in his country

The words of we are not. Number one and rattle off crap ?
Yeah we are falling behind cause of liberal crap IMHO
But like the tour de france you do not have to win every stage to be number one just best overall :)
As far as other countries being free yes to a lesser point than ours and we are trying to move that way with liberal thought
Since my wife is Canadian you have less freedoms their then here :)


So thats my thoughts :) again the title I was hoping for reality not a hbo show clip thats all nothing Honest about anything in that clip really just finely chosen crafted words for a HBO show :)

[Moose-Knuckle]

3.5 minutes of libtard bullshit, concealed in mixtures of fantasy and idealism.
France, Belgium and others free, horse shit.

And we are?

[Heavy Metal]

The words are close to one in the same of the delivery ?
Nothing new nothing shocking many left dont like the US
Most of these people have never lived anywhere else in their lives
Or if they do go somewhere they stay at the best hotels or they go be guest of old chavez and say how great it is in his country

The words of we are not. Number one and rattle off crap ?
Yeah we are falling behind cause of liberal crap IMHO
But like the tour de france you do not have to win every stage to be number one just best overall :)
As far as other countries being free yes to a lesser point than ours and we are trying to move that way with liberal thought
Since my wife is Canadian you have less freedoms their then here :)


So thats my thoughts :) again the title I was hoping for reality not a hbo show clip thats all nothing Honest about anything in that clip really just finely chosen crafted words for a HBO show :)

We are still number one. Mainly because we suck less. What country did Elon Musk choose to start his businesses in?

[Honu]

We are still number one. Mainly because we suck less. What country did Elon Musk choose to start his businesses in?

If the left gets their way we wont be #1 thats for sure

I think if I had the power when we tried to help countries in the middle east we just took over the oil ! Since lefties and others say thats what its about we should have !
But going forward let those countries fight it out and make us independent of those countries !
We should match the aid other countries give !

I say to the lefties you don't like this country leave ! See how chavez treats you once you are just a citizen of his country !

[chadbag]

And we are?

When compared to all those other places he mentioned, yes.

The US is the greatest country in the world today, despite the efforts of the elite, the libtards, some righttards, etc. For one reason:

Opportunity

It is not what the country has done. It is what it allows you to do.

Unfortunately, that is dying. Other countries are catching up.

Our highest income people pay more of the countries costs than the highest income people do in socialist utopia Sweden.

Some of the former east block countries are setting up laws and stuff to provide opportunity -- true freedom -- in their own countries that would put California, NY, NJ, IL, and other libtard states to shame.

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[Honu]

I think a good gauge of being #1 is what country are most coming to live or get medical etc..

when leaders of other countries even those with so called great health care like Canada etc.. come here to get care ! you know you are #1 and the libs want to go to what they are doing ? IDIOTS !!!!

since my wife is Canadian and her Parents are English I have some very solid info from both those countries on how bad things really are !
yes Canada its cheaper to have a baby etc. but serious things they come here :)

yes some go to other countries but not in the same numbers as those trying to get here IMHO :)

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I would be impressed if David Mamet wrote it.

The difference would be that if Mamet wrote it, it wouldn't be sucking donkey-dick by episode three.


You can hate the messenger (Sorkin) but the words ring true.

If only he had stayed true to the concept of the show. Game of Thrones is off season, so I was looking for a series to justify my HBO this summer. Show was interesting the first two episodes- not nearly enough boobies for most HBO shows- but the third (last?) episode went off the rails. A total hatchet job on the TEA party, the 2010 election, the Koch brothers, the Murdochs and corporate media. For a supposed even-keel show, the main news guy (Dumb or Dumber) has an ephinay and sees nothing good or true in the TEA party, it is just a bunch of idiots fed by Koch dollars.

Now maybe they will swing the other way, but I doubt it. They are already set up to screw the GOP over the debt limit and I can't wait for the OBL mission episode.

It is like they are taking everything from 2010, from when conservatives started having a comeback and they are rewriting history and spinning it a new way.

The show is kind of like having the news done by Alex Trebak from Jeapordy- who I just want to bitch slap as he sounds all smug because he has all the answers or questions.

Is the Socratic method really that hard? My dad did it, the Jesuits drove me nuts with it. The key is not to be condescending, which the Sorkin characters just can't do- at least to conservatives.

I'll give the show another episode or two, but if they don't start tracking back to center, or showing boobies- I'm gone and maybe my HBO subscription too. I can read the Throne books.

[Endur]

Yep just briefly met him & got a good vibe from him. I think that Rosie O'Donnell sucks hairy donkey weenie for setting him up on her show like she did.

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2011/01/05/tom-selleck-talks-guns-and-the-nra-on-the-rosie-odonnell-show/

Here's 8 other hypocrites you & I are referring to:

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/02/24/8-surprising-anti-gun-celebrities/

Funny when I worked for Sly in 80'-82' he was not that way. He barely got his CCW from LA County Sherriffs office recently. Wonder what that cost him ?

BTW his oldest son Sage committed suicide today the 13th.

He makes millions on Expendables playing a "Merc" or John Rambo SF's but when I asked him if he would do some charity or plug for Wounded Warriors Fund got a NO thanks answer. Hypocritical mentality.

I have never been a big fan of sly but now I officially boycott him for that one.

[Belmont31R]

I felt a lot more free in Germany than I did here, and the hut hut LEO attitude in the US is why we don't have "fests" and celebrate shit. Like Im going to walk around with an "open container" of gluhwein in the US!



We can't also have people doing farmers markets selling produce thats not govt AKA mansanto approved!

[chadbag]

I felt a lot more free in Germany than I did here, and the hut hut LEO attitude in the US is why we don't have "fests" and celebrate shit. Like Im going to walk around with an "open container" of gluhwein in the US!


Really?

I lived there twice, non military, on the economy. Total slightly under 3.5 years. On the whole, I feel much freer here.

I've never seen anyone getting crap for walking around with an open can of beer or anything.

Go to a baseball game. Plenty of beer cups.

I've seen lots of community carnivals and stuff in the US. Equivalent of a "Fest." And in some of those areas, they sell beer by the cup at them.

As an aside: true story. While living there in 86-87, as an LDS missionary, I was taking my new companion to register in the city once he arrived. In Germany, everyone has to register within a few days with the citizen registration office of their new city (called Anmelden). You un-register (Abmelden) when you move out and take that form to the new city's registration office. Supposedly Hotels are supposed to register you with the registration office as well when you are in town but I don't know if that really happens.

As non Germans (but white Americans) in some towns we also had to go to a Foreigners office so they could conform our residency permits, which had been issued in Munich, before we could register.

So, we walk in to the registration office. Go to the office to get the other guy's residency permit verified, and then registered in the city. We waited maybe 5-10 minutes to get the residency permit verified, and another 5 minutes or 10 minutes to get the registration done. When we first entered I saw some Turkish people sitting there. Probably people who had been born and raised in Germany. They had been waiting when we got there. We got our business done and were out and they were still waiting to be called up when we left. They were probably there waiting to be called up for several hours or half a day from what others told me later.

The point: having to register/un-register with the city when you move is not being free. Having to sit there, because your Turkish, for 1/2 a day to get a 10 minute service taken care of is not free either.

The firearms laws are much stricter in Germany.

They took a lot more taxes out of my paycheck as well than here, and here is ridiculous enough. [my second period living there was working for Digital Equipment GmbH in Munich, the Germany subsidiary of a one-time US computer company called DEC, which no longer exists and is part of HP now]

However, I do like the feeling of freedom driving on the autobahn. And I don't mean the feeling of going fast (though that is fun too). I mean the feeling of not having to look behind every tree, look at every car for steel wheels on a Dodge Charger ;), or otherwise worry about where mr cop is hiding when I am driving. That is nice to not have to be so uptight. (And I don't generally drive very fast or outside of the rhythm of the traffic).

So there are trade offs. Other countries do have aspects of freedom that beat the US. But I would much rather be in the US long term than in Germany, though I enjoyed being there and working there. (A lot of it depends on which state you live in too, of course)



We can't also have people doing farmers markets selling produce thats not govt AKA mansanto approved!

I've seen plenty of farmer's type markets in the US.

[sgtjosh]

We are still the greatest country. We have issues, as do all nations. NOBODY can match the opportunity to succeed or fail based upon an individuals talents and efforts. It does not matter what your parents did to earn a living. It does not matter what your skin color is...unless you decide it does. If you have a great or unique idea and are willing to put in the work AND SACRIFICE, you can be the next Bill Gates or Henry Ford. People from around the world are willing to forsake their place of origin for the opportunity to be an American. There are other free nations. They are only free, because their government says that they are a free nation. We are unique in that we believe we are free, because OUR CREATOR SAYS SO. Our government merely affirms the proposition. Our Constitution is specifically written as such that we are able to overthrow those who govern us when they no longer do so without our consent. Some people are free, but I submit that we are more free. As such our freedom often causes us to make stupid decisions. However, the brilliance shown by our founding fathers has kept us a few steps ahead of our follies.

[feedramp]

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[chadbag]

As most of you know, my wife was born and raised in Japan and came to the US as an adult (for educational reasons).

She often tells me about how Americans behave and act and how different it is than in Japan. And the things she says are not derogatory, but complimentary to Americans.

Things like how Americans do what they want, and don't worry about how it fits in. (For positive things). How Americans, in general, treat everyone equally well (or terrible). There are obviously exceptions but she has mentioned it to me many times when she sees someone doing something or behaving in a way that someone in Japan wouldn't, and I am not talking about crazy crap or stupid stuff or anything like that that someone should be embarrassed about. The feeling she tries to convey goes along with the idea of this being a land of opportunity and how anyone can do (or try to do and succeed or not) what they set their minds to, no matter where they come from, their circumstances, etc.

I wish I could think of a specific example but my mind goes blank. The last time she said it was around the 4th.


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[chadbag]

There's too much discretionary arrest bravado these days
http://www.matrixbookstore.biz/rule_of_law.htm

Not just in the US... But you are right. That certainly exists here.

[Belmont31R]

Really?

I lived there twice, non military, on the economy. Total slightly under 3.5 years. On the whole, I feel much freer here.

I've never seen anyone getting crap for walking around with an open can of beer or anything.

Go to a baseball game. Plenty of beer cups.

I've seen lots of community carnivals and stuff in the US. Equivalent of a "Fest." And in some of those areas, they sell beer by the cup at them.

As an aside: true story. While living there in 86-87, as an LDS missionary, I was taking my new companion to register in the city once he arrived. In Germany, everyone has to register within a few days with the citizen registration office of their new city (called Anmelden). You un-register (Abmelden) when you move out and take that form to the new city's registration office. Supposedly Hotels are supposed to register you with the registration office as well when you are in town but I don't know if that really happens.

As non Germans (but white Americans) in some towns we also had to go to a Foreigners office so they could conform our residency permits, which had been issued in Munich, before we could register.

So, we walk in to the registration office. Go to the office to get the other guy's residency permit verified, and then registered in the city. We waited maybe 5-10 minutes to get the residency permit verified, and another 5 minutes or 10 minutes to get the registration done. When we first entered I saw some Turkish people sitting there. Probably people who had been born and raised in Germany. They had been waiting when we got there. We got our business done and were out and they were still waiting to be called up when we left. They were probably there waiting to be called up for several hours or half a day from what others told me later.

The point: having to register/un-register with the city when you move is not being free. Having to sit there, because your Turkish, for 1/2 a day to get a 10 minute service taken care of is not free either.

The firearms laws are much stricter in Germany.

They took a lot more taxes out of my paycheck as well than here, and here is ridiculous enough. [my second period living there was working for Digital Equipment GmbH in Munich, the Germany subsidiary of a one-time US computer company called DEC, which no longer exists and is part of HP now]

However, I do like the feeling of freedom driving on the autobahn. And I don't mean the feeling of going fast (though that is fun too). I mean the feeling of not having to look behind every tree, look at every car for steel wheels on a Dodge Charger ;), or otherwise worry about where mr cop is hiding when I am driving. That is nice to not have to be so uptight. (And I don't generally drive very fast or outside of the rhythm of the traffic).

So there are trade offs. Other countries do have aspects of freedom that beat the US. But I would much rather be in the US long term than in Germany, though I enjoyed being there and working there. (A lot of it depends on which state you live in too, of course)



I've seen plenty of farmer's type markets in the US.





Lol germany is NOTHING like that now, or at least when I was there.


I am guessing you were there pre EU days, and its a lot different now. Flying back and forth I could have a AT4 in my carry on and I just walked straight out of the airport. I forget how many times I flew back and forth but it was at least 5 times. All 5 times I picked my bag off the conveyor and walked right out onto the street.

But I do kinda know what you are talking about. In 97 they still had check points. Post EU I went to over 10 different countries and had a passport check only once. The ****ers wouldn't even stamp my passport when I asked. Also have a close friend now that has family in Denmark, and they go to get bier in germany because the taxes were lower.

[chadbag]

Lol germany is NOTHING like that now, or at least when I was there.


I am guessing you were there pre EU days, and its a lot different now. Flying back and forth I could have a AT4 in my carry on and I just walked straight out of the airport. I forget how many times I flew back and forth but it was at least 5 times. All 5 times I picked my bag off the conveyor and walked right out onto the street.


Germany was part of the EU (or its predecessor the ECC) every time I lived there and visited there.

Yes, most of the time you just picked up your bags, chose the green door to walk out of, and you were out. (This is after the passport control of course). I was pulled aside once and asked to bring my bags and myself into a side room and open them up for inspection. The guy kept asking me the same question over and over again (I don't remember what the question was) and then let me go. The rest of the time, I just got my stuff and put it on a baggage cart and walked out the door.



But I do kinda know what you are talking about. In 97 they still had check points. Post EU I went to over 10 different countries and had a passport check only once. The ****ers wouldn't even stamp my passport when I asked. Also have a close friend now that has family in Denmark, and they go to get bier in germany because the taxes were lower.

When I lived there 86-87 and 91-93 there were passport controls between countries but most of the time you just rolled through them in most cases. I did not cross the border very much but went to Austria with some teenagers for a church youth activity one afternoon for the day and we just rolled through back then (92). There was a border guard station but they just waved everyone through.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

(As an aside, in 1986, when I was a missionary, my first city was near the French border and the Rhine. We went 6 miles to a small town on the Rhine and the french border across from Strassburg (Strasbourg) one afternoon to talk to people on the street. Our missionary rules was we were not to leave Germany at all for any reason, as the church had vouched for us and was responsible for our being in country and wanted to avoid problems, amongst other reasons. The other guy I was with wanted to get his passport stamped, but I was a newby and so was more strict with the rules than I would have been later [I would still never have left the country but I would have gone all the way across the river to the French side to get my passport stamped]. We did go through the German border crossing control station and walked half way out over the Rhine and watched the river for a while, etc. Then we went back to the German side and the other guy asked to get his passport stamped. The German guy was going to oblige until he saw there was no French stamp. Then he got suspicious and started asking all sorts of questions wondering what we had been doing out on the bridge, etc. This was 1986 -- way pre 09/11. Finally, after like 5 minutes of interrogation, I guess he figured we weren't terrorists and let us through, but I don't think he stamped the other guy's passport)

The last few times I visited there (in the 2000s) they checked the passport coming in to the first EU country, but they also checked it when flying between France and Germany for example, in a cursory way [probably because they have separate lines for EU/Schengen citizens and non-EU/Schengen citizens] but when driving between countries there is no real control.

People have been coming over the border to buy stuff a lot longer than just the last 10 or 15 years since the last big EU treaty was signed. My brother was in Switzerland in 89-90, IIRC, and was on the German border. They used to cross over to Germany to do grocery shopping because the DM was a cheaper currency than the SFR and they had a limited budget and could make it go 15% further by doing so.

But I am pretty sure that inside Germany you still register and unregister when you move your residency. So, the latest EU treaties etc have done nothing for the stuff I talked about.


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[Belmont31R]

Not sure what tell you other than in 2002 my best friend and I went there the day after we graduated HS, and I was stationed there from 2002-2007. I also went in 97 when I was 13.


From our trip in 2002 to when I left in 2007 I was only once asked for "papers" and that was on a train trip between paris and austria. We had to go through Germany, and during the german leg the germans came on board and asked for passports. This Iraqi guy about 2 seats up didn't have anything, and they took him off the train at the next stop. Other than that we went from country to country without anything. Flying back and forth between 2003 and 2007 I got my bag off the machine and walked right out the door. I was on a taxi back to Wiesbaden within minutes. I remember once I took a train and it was like 45 minutes. Im saying the baggage area had like one guy in there and you just walked out the airport just like "that".

[Honu]

I felt a lot more free in Germany than I did here, and the hut hut LEO attitude in the US is why we don't have "fests" and celebrate shit. Like Im going to walk around with an "open container" of gluhwein in the US!

We can't also have people doing farmers markets selling produce thats not govt AKA mansanto approved!

maybe its the state where you live ? or more a east coast thing
lots of celebrations where I lived and seemed half the people drinking if they want no worries ?
and halloween was insane !!!

farmers market was all local grown and even here in PHX these days local grown markets no GMO crap is common ?
gun laws are way more strict in Germany than here IMHO :)
and gas prices are double ?

I like parts of Europe but not sure I would want to live their ! surely would not want to be wealthy their

I think Germany is nicer than some countries in the EU though and like anywhere pros cons to everything
but I am not much a east coast person for the US or California etc.. I would rather live in Germany than NY

[chadbag]

If you read what I wrote, I am not really disagreeing with the border crossing or getting off the airplane and walking out the green door at "customs". The getting off the plane and walking out the green door you describe has been that way since the 80s at least.


On air travel they still check passports of non EU people more often than for EU people [there are two separate lines when you get off the plane] but in my experience traveling through Paris and on to Rome and/or Germany over several trips (post 97 changes) they almost never stamped the passport and often just waved you on. Cross border by ground (car/train) there was almost no controls at all. I am not disagreeing with you.

I don't see what this has to do with registering in the city you live. Ie, are actually a resident in ("on the economy" not with .gov or the military, which is probably different and controlled by SOFA).



Not sure what tell you other than in 2002 my best friend and I went there the day after we graduated HS, and I was stationed there from 2002-2007. I also went in 97 when I was 13.


From our trip in 2002 to when I left in 2007 I was only once asked for "papers" and that was on a train trip between paris and austria. We had to go through Germany, and during the german leg the germans came on board and asked for passports. This Iraqi guy about 2 seats up didn't have anything, and they took him off the train at the next stop. Other than that we went from country to country without anything. Flying back and forth between 2003 and 2007 I got my bag off the machine and walked right out the door. I was on a taxi back to Wiesbaden within minutes. I remember once I took a train and it was like 45 minutes. Im saying the baggage area had like one guy in there and you just walked out the airport just like "that".