Close-up pics of the new Geissele SMR MK1 and MK2 Handguard

[ROG Tactical]

EDIT 8/27/12: Added pics of new MK2 Handguard

I took some pics of the new 13" Geissele MK1 Rail. I did not do a full install, but rather loosely fitted it to a bare Noveske N4 upper receiver to show how it envelopes almost the entire front portion of a mil-spec upper receiver...talk about anti-rotation! I am no photographer, so excuse any blurry pictures.

Here is a picture of the upper receiver with the barrel nut attached. This was just a quick test fit of the rail components, so no barrel was used.

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/receiver_with_barrel_nut.jpg


This picture shows the rail fitted over the barrel nut and interfaced with the upper receiver. Notice how much of the sides of the rail overlap the upper receiver. This is probably why this rail may not work with some billet receivers. You can see one of the two set screws located above the pivot pin hole. The other set screw is on the other side of the rail in the same location.

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/receiver_with_mk1.jpg


This is a left side view of the rail mated with the receiver.

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/receiver_and_rail_interface_-_left_side.jpg


Below, is the right side view of the rail mated with the receiver.

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/receiver_and_rail_interface_-_right_side.jpg


As shown below, the top rail mates up perfectly to the receiver's flat top.

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/receiver_and_rail_interface_-_top.jpg


Lastly, a top view of the rail interface.

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/receiver_and_rail_top_view.jpg



EDIT 8/27/12:
Just got some of the new Geissele MK2 Handguards in Sand:
Weight of MK2 w/ barrel nut only: 1 lb 4.3 oz
Weight of MK2 w/ all hardware: 1 lb 7.6 oz


13" MK2 with all included hardware
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/k/mk2_13_sand.jpg


Front view, showing channels for the rail section backing plates
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/k/mkii_-_front.jpg


Massive anti-rotation flanges and nylon-tipped set screws
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/k/mkii_anti-rotation.jpg


Left Side view of MK2
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/k/mkii_-_left_side.jpg

[ALCOAR]

Sweet...like you I couldn't even wait to get full uppers built before I was already mocking them up discovering the various unique "bomb-proofing" aspects of the SMR's design. I'd agree as well...Nuke proof anti rotation to say the least.

I immediately found these rails to be quintessential Geissele design & construction.....absolutely no expense spared on any aspect, and much like GA triggers...the SMR rails will appeal to only the most discerning customers where quality trumps cost.

The cost might prevent some from catching on to these in the future...but it's my strong belief that in the near future the SMR rails will capture significant amounts of the aftermarket rail market, only growing bigger and bigger while GA releases the full line of SMRs in terms of lengths, and then a budget friendly SMR version for those who can't always afford the best, but still want damn good.

I think you'll find that while your rotation alignment will be dead nuts on from rail to upper....you won't see an almost monolithic looking joining of the SMR to an upper receiver upon final assembly after you torque those cross bolts down to 10 ft lbs with a 3/8” 12 point socket. At any rate it doesn't even matter for anything other than aesthetics to the naked eye.

note the small gap...a bit bigger of the 15" SMR/18"SPR vs. the 13" SMR/14.5" Mid

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC07053-1.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC06745-1.jpg

Thanks for sharing, and keep us up to date with the finished product if you have the time...look forward to seeing that:)

[LiquidG]

Looks good, especially that sand color. Any idea how these compare to similar rails (NSR, URX3.1, etc..) weight wise?

[fallenromeo]

The more I see these the more I like them. Geiselle makes a damn fine product. I would like to get my hands on one and see how it feels. This is being considered for my next build.

[ROG Tactical]

Looks good, especially that sand color. Any idea how these compare to similar rails (NSR, URX3.1, etc..) weight wise?

Don't know about the URX3.1, but the 13.5" NSR weighs about 11 oz with barrel nut. The 13" MK1 weighs about 1 lb 3.5 oz, with the barrel nut.

[ROG Tactical]

Sweet...like you I couldn't even wait to get full uppers built before I was already mocking them up discovering the various unique "bomb-proofing" aspects of the SMR's design. I'd agree as well...Nuke proof anti rotation to say the least.

I immediately found these rails to be quintessential Geissele design & construction.....absolutely no expense spared on any aspect, and much like GA triggers...the SMR rails will appeal to only the most discerning customers where quality trumps cost.

The cost might prevent some from catching on to these in the future...but it's my strong belief that in the near future the SMR rails will capture significant amounts of the aftermarket rail market, only growing bigger and bigger while GA releases the full line of SMRs in terms of lengths, and then a budget friendly SMR version for those who can't always afford the best, but still want damn good.

I think you'll find that while your rotation alignment will be dead nuts on from rail to upper....you won't see an almost monolithic looking joining of the SMR to an upper receiver upon final assembly after you torque those cross bolts down to 10 ft lbs with a 3/8” 12 point socket. At any rate it doesn't even matter for anything other than aesthetics to the naked eye.

note the small gap...a bit bigger of the 15" SMR/18"SPR vs. the 13" SMR/14.5" Mid

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC07053-1.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC06745-1.jpg

Thanks for sharing, and keep us up to date with the finished product if you have the time...look forward to seeing that:)


Those are awesome setups you have there! I wish I was doing a build, but I had a request for some close-up pics, so these were taken to show the receiver/rail mating area. Unfortunately, I am far from a decent photographer, so the pics are a bit blurry. what looks focused to me through the viewfinder ends up truly being out of focus...lol.

[Noodles]

Don't know about the URX3.1, but the 13.5" NSR weighs about 11 oz with barrel nut. The 13" MK1 weighs about 1 lb 3.5 oz, with the barrel nut.

Whoa. A solid 1/2lb more.

So when does this little piggy go to the market?

[Warg]

This picture shows the rail fitted over the barrel nut and interfaced with the upper receiver. Notice how much of the sides of the rail overlap the upper receiver. This is probably why this rail may not work with some billet receivers.

Do you know if the production version of the SMR works with VLTOR's forged, but thicker than average MUR?

[Warg]

Whoa. A solid 1/2lb more.

So when does this little piggy go to the market?

Indeed, it should be named the SHMR. However, dollar per ounce it's only $17.70 compared to the NSR at $23.60. :)

[ROG Tactical]

Do you know if the SMR work with VLTOR's forged, but thicker than average MUR?


It does fit the VLTOR MUR...I'll snap a few pics later this evening.

[Warg]

It does fit the VLTOR MUR...I'll snap a few pics later this evening.

Thank you!

[Noodles]

Indeed, it should be named the SHMR. However, dollar per ounce it's only $17.70 compared to the NSR at $23.60. :)

Oh, by-the-ounce explains a lot of KAC pricing actually.

[mtdawg169]

Oh, by-the-ounce explains a lot of KAC pricing actually.

Not sure what you mean. A URXIII can be had for under $300.

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[ROG Tactical]

Okay...just toook some quick pics of a VLTOR MUR with the Geissele 13" MK1...it fits like a glove!

I did not install the barrel nut screws, or tighten the set screws, so don't freak out when you don't see them in the pictures.


MUR with MK1 Barrel Nut
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/u/mur_with_mk1_barrel_nut.jpg


Close-up of MUR with MK1
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/u/mur_-_closeup.jpg


Left side of MUR with MK1
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/u/mur_-_left_side.jpg


Bottom view of MUR with MK1
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/u/mur_-_underside.jpg


Right side of MUR with MK1
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/u/mur_-_right_side.jpg

[Iraqgunz]

I didn't care for the lack of a "tool" to install the barrel nut. I also found them to be very heavy. Yes, they appear to be bombproof, but are they overdone?

[ALCOAR]

I'm not clear on what you mean in regards to the lack of tool for the barrel nut.

The SMRs come with their own barrel nut tool..

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC07278-1.jpg

Personally the barrel nut aspect is one of my favorite, and I consider it to be extremely well thought out. I think many will find not having to worry about the pita of gas tube alignment to be a real positive benefit to this design.

[krisjon]

Great pics, Mike. Thanks for these.

Good to see you on here. You know we'll be talking soon!

Cheers,

Christian

[Brahmzy]

Meh. I like my tanks with treads on them.

I just don't get this rail. Maybe in early 2011 this would've been the koolaid...

[swedeboy]

This or the Wilson combat rail?

[6933]

On the heavy side.

[JoshNC]

I would love to see Daniel Defense do something similar with the RIS-II rails.

[ALCOAR]

We just might see a SMR type rail dedicated for the skinny jeans crowd even though this wasn't designed for gamers who are chasing every ounce over all else. These rails reflect who they were originally built for....DoD/HK416 rail contract end users.

When your designing handguards for the civilian market only, you can worry about weight first and foremost, as opposed to strength..durability, and longevity.

My bet is that if one removed the areas in red, the end result would be the lightest FF 13, 15, or any other length rail made currently...or very close to it.

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC06456-1-1.jpg
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC06442-2.jpg

[Brahmzy]

I dono... there's plenty of "warfighter class" handguards that weigh less. Strong/durable designs don't neccessitate the need for added weight. I just see a lot of thickness in that rail that doesn't need to be there. There could be more/larger lightening holes etc. Forget the "gamer" comments IMO.

[krisjon]

I see and hear both sides on this, but let's all not forget that designs can be refined and made better.

It's getting that first one to market for testing and input that always comes back black n' blue once the crowd gets a hold of it.

[Iraqgunz]

We received two rails to install on a customers upper and we didn't get a cool wrench. Just the hardware.

[Sevcrist]

Do the set screws require Loctite?

[ROG Tactical]

Do the set screws require Loctite?

Not needed...they are just an ancillary anti-rotation measure.

[ROG Tactical]

Great pics, Mike. Thanks for these.

Good to see you on here. You know we'll be talking soon!

Cheers,

Christian


Hey Krisjon! Yes, I'll be picking your brain on some things shortly!

[EzGoingKev]

Personally the barrel nut aspect is one of my favorite, and I consider it to be extremely well thought out. I think many will find not having to worry about the pita of gas tube alignment to be a real positive benefit to this design.
The barrel nut configuration looks exactly like what HK uses on the 416. It looks to be heavy.

[Leonidas24]

We just might see a SMR type rail dedicated for the skinny jeans crowd even though this wasn't designed for gamers who are chasing every ounce over all else. These rails reflect who they were originally built for....DoD/HK416 rail contract end users.

When your designing handguards for the civilian market only, you can worry about weight first and foremost, as opposed to strength..durability, and longevity.



I'd be more agreeable if Daniel Defense hadn't designed the RIS II for that same purpose and it still came out to be 4 oz. lighter, and it's a quad rail on top of that. It's a great handguard and I'm more than excited to try one eventually, but the SMR Mk1 needs to borrow a copy of P90X and lose some weight.

[scottryan]

This rail brings nothing new to the table.

It doesn't have a removable bottom section
It can't free float an M203
I am not having set screw marks on my upper, sorry.
It weighs too much.

Its just another tube style hand guard.

[Warg]

Deleted.

[texasjim]

Haven't posted in a while, but this rail brought me out of the woodworks. Installed mine two weeks ago. The weight compared to other like rails in the market, is a non factor. Has potential as a no BS chase bad guys rail.

Lots of great rails out there, and I think I own most. From the NSR, URX II & III's, DD's, etc...the Geissele M1, is second to none. For me, probably the finest rail on the market. Bill got it right.

Cheers,

Jim

[6933]

For comparison--My DD AR15 Lite 12.0 FSP(for 6920) rail weighs approx. 14oz w/nut. 9.5 Lite FSP(for 6933) weighs 11.6oz w/nut. I'm in good shape and those ozs. add up; for me at least.

[HKBanger]

It looks very nice. Nice as ****. But, why all the extra weight? That's a no-go for me, especially when I can run a full 12" Centurion quad-rail that weighs in about 1/4 lb less.

[Sevcrist]

This rail brings nothing new to the table.

I am not having set screw marks on my upper, sorry.

Its just another tube style hand guard.


I don't think the rail would make set screws marks on the upper. They are nylon tipped. In comparison to the Centurion and some other rails with metal anti-rotation tabs it appears the SMR would not mar the receiver.

I really like the rail from what I see other than the weight. It looks easy to take on and off, if need be while at the same time offering an extremely solid no movement lock up.

Can anyone who has the rail installed comment on how solid the mount is and the measure of abuse it would probably take to move it?

[Sierra276]

I'm going to side with the Trident on this one... A few extra ounces, to gain a rigid durable platform, that has one large robust barrel nut, which aids in supporting the barrel upper receiver marriage will no doubt help with accuracy. Although there is some minor additional weight throughout the platform, most of the added weight above and beyond the other variety's out there is still in the barrel nut... Right were it balances best...

[Brahmzy]

I'm going to side with the Trident on this one... A few extra ounces, to gain a rigid durable platform, that has one large robust barrel nut, which aids in supporting the barrel upper receiver marriage will no doubt help with accuracy. Although there is some minor additional weight throughout the platform, most of the added weight above and beyond the other variety's out there is still in the barrel nut... Right were it balances best...

Post #1 from Sierra... HMMM.

[Sierra276]

Brahmzy...

After living in a cave for so long... I finally figured out how to work this internet thing and post a comment...:confused:

[Sevcrist]

Brahmzy...

After living in a cave for so long... I finally figured out how to work this internet thing and post a comment...:confused:

Sierra276, Only one post? Look up the word shill and see what it references.

But I really do like the SMR from what I see. Then again, I have not handled it so that's why I'm asking others with firsthand knowledge. But yes, I realize that in the early roll out of a product people who have an interest in selling the product will say all is wonderful.

[Fiiyablade]

Must have!

[Sierra276]

sevcrist...

I this the way you welcome a new person into this forum...? Your suggestive nature, would imply the term "Shill" in my direction, even though you have no evidence to support that statement...
Perhaps you are use to assuming things about people before you have any facts to support your dementia...:D

[GearScout]

The rail is a bit on the heavy side as far as numbers go, but the profile feels great.

The weight is probably a byproduct of the rigidity that Geissele built into the rail. This isn't a 3-gunners handguard, but something meant for use with aiming accessories that need to stay zeroed in hard use.

[6933]

The weight is probably a byproduct of the rigidity that Geissele built into the rail. This isn't a 3-gunners handguard, but something meant for use with aiming accessories that need to stay zeroed in hard use.

Not trying to single you out or get on you, at all; but multiple rails do this at less weight. I've never had an issue with my PEQ-15 losing zero on a DD rail.

[GearScout]

This is their first rail, I'm suggesting they just decided to err on the side of rigidity/strength and used more material... or they consciously overbuilt the handguard to meet a requirement that we might not be privy to and cannot appreciate.

No doubt, it is heavy at 42.15g/inch vs. something like a Daniel Defense Omega X quadrail at 36.91g/inch.


Not trying to single you out or get on you, at all; but multiple rails do this at less weight. I've never had an issue with my PEQ-15 losing zero on a DD rail.

[Magic_Salad0892]

Make this in the 10 3/4'' length and make the rail that KAC needs to make.

[Pax]

ScottRyan, while he is definitely the least cordial, diplomatic and sometimes even polite personality on this board, always seems to tell it like it is. I cant let him speak brazenly for me enough on this subject and I cant understand why this rail exists less.

Ill stick with my good ol TRX, thanks.

[sinlessorrow]

The rail is a bit on the heavy side as far as numbers go, but the profile feels great.

The weight is probably a byproduct of the rigidity that Geissele built into the rail. This isn't a 3-gunners handguard, but something meant for use with aiming accessories that need to stay zeroed in hard use.

which is exactly what the DD RIS II is....... a rail designed for SOCOM for the SOPMOD Block II package.

the diff is the DD brings more to the table in a lighter package.

Scotty hit the nail on the head with his post, its a nice attempt by Geissele but its outclassed by current offerings, especially the one the SF groups are using.

[TacticalTyler]

I have to agree with a few others on here. Nothing new that hasnt been already done.
Someone mentioned that the barrel nut is great cause you dont have to line up the gas tube, Well Noveske beat them to it with the NSR. They look similar but Noveske can be timed differently on both sides.
I think the noveske NSR is the true game changer with the keymod design. Geissele is a little too late , but maybe they can learn and improve from it in the future.
Also not big on the set screws either..
ONE more thing, from the pictures it looks like the rail has to pinch down, or sqeeze tight on the barrel nut? Im not big on that, Troy was like that with their battle rails but it was a poor design and thats why they changed it to the alpha style. My 2 cents.
Excuse my poor grammer

[scottryan]

IMHO a new game changing rail must have

1. Removable bottom for cleaning and M203 mounting.
2. No built in front sight
3. Female sling sockets with anti rotation QD
4. Not be too wide or heavy

No rail offers this yet.

The URX, DD RIS2, and Troy MRF come close but they fail short in one area or another.

[justin_247]

I'm with ScottRyan on this one: I see nothing particularly innovative about this rail. The way I see it, it's just a heavily modified version of the HK416 rail that Geissele designed and ported over to the AR to appease those who wanted the rail but didn't want an HK. :rolleyes:

At least he's appealing to market forces, although market forces do not always deliver the best product.

Scott,
I think the URX 3.1 comes very close to meeting your requirements.

[EzGoingKev]

IMHO a new game changing rail must have

1. Removable bottom for cleaning and M203 mounting.
2. No built in front sight
3. Female sling sockets with anti rotation QD
4. Not be too wide or heavy

No rail offers this yet.

The URX, DD RIS2, and Troy MRF come close but they fail short in one area or another.

Re: removable bottom - The entire rail pops off in a few seconds and then you have access to the entire barrel assembly and not just the bottom.

Re: mounting an M203 - There are M203's that will mount to a bottom rail. Unless you are talking mil, how many people out there "need" this?

[MarkG]

Triggers... Just continuing making great triggers.

This rail hasn't got a chance now that the Ultor/Noveske open source rail system is poised to take over the industry. :dirol:

[sinlessorrow]

Re: removable bottom - The entire rail pops off in a few seconds and then you have access to the entire barrel assembly and not just the bottom.

Thats great but unless its got QD levers getting the screws back down to the exact torque will be difficult, and if the pressure is not exactly the same it throws off items like PEQ's.

Re: mounting an M203 - There are M203's that will mount to a bottom rail. Unless you are talking mil, how many people out there "need" this?

Anyone who mounts an M203, being able to FF a 203 is important, and was importan enough to SOCOM that it was a requirement in the RIS II trials.


Answers in red.

Had this rail come out a few years ago it would be a different story, but for today its a rail that is to heavy and doesnt even offer what its competitors offer.

[scottryan]

Re: removable bottom - The entire rail pops off in a few seconds and then you have access to the entire barrel assembly and not just the bottom.



Then you have to rezero any sighting devices after you put the rail back on.




Re: mounting an M203 - There are M203's that will mount to a bottom rail. Unless you are talking mil, how many people out there "need" this?


Rail mounter launchers suck ass. They hang too low.

[scottryan]

Scott,
I think the URX 3.1 comes very close to meeting your requirements.


Yes but KAC cant seem to make it in 9 and 10 inch versions.

[rob_s]

meet a requirement that we might not be privy to and cannot appreciate.

in which case, it is utterly meaningless to anyone else.

If we don't have the list of requirements, then it's meaningless that some secret squirrel agency or unit asked for it.

[vicious_cb]

Don't know about you, but after seeing what that DD omega-x rail went through during the tactv torture test I really don't see the need to add anymore strength to a rail system. Also considering that the omega-x uses a less than ideal set screw mounting system I would guess the RIS II/Lite rail attachment method would be even stronger. I do think a longer barrel nut is a step in the right direction but increasing weight is a step backwards.

[sagmill]

Weight was not given priority in the design specification. Most of what we do has a mil purpose and having a rigid, strong, easy to install, ergonomic, modular rail was requested. But it's good to see on this forum how others view things and that is very important to a designer. Thanks for all the comments, fellas. They are appreciated.

[sinlessorrow]

Weight was not given priority in the design specification. Most of what we do has a mil purpose and having a rigid, strong, easy to install, ergonomic, modular rail was requested. But it's good to see on this forum how others view things and that is very important to a designer. Thanks for all the comments, fellas. They are appreciated.

The main issue IMO is that it does nothing the DD RIS II cannot do, yet the DD RIS II has a few things on it.

also this rail was not requested by the Military the HK416 model was. This is just converted to the Stoner system and Honestly is 2 yrs to late.

[texasjim]

Ya know guys I get the light weight view, I for sure embrace the KeyMod idea, and owning multiple DD rails, URX rails, and one NSR, (and think those mentioned are great peices of kit) the quality, and interface of the SMR Mk1, is outstanding. Yep it's a bit heavier, though the feel and bomb proof engineering of this rail is second to none.

I look at rails like holsters, ya get the one which fits your needs. It's why we usually end up with a crap load of leather.:). For all those who have expressed a negative vibe, have you seen it, mounted it, shot it, handled it, compared it side by side to those you claim to be superior? I have.

I have no dog in this fight, and marry no company, as I am critical to all.

Jim Hodge

[ROG Tactical]

Added some pics of the new MK2 Handguard to the first post.

[hotrodder636]

EDIT 8/27/12: Added pics of new MK2 Handguard

I took some pics of the new 13" Geissele MK1 Rail. I did not do a full install, but rather loosely fitted it to a bare Noveske N4 upper receiver to show how it envelopes almost the entire front portion of a mil-spec upper receiver...talk about anti-rotation! I am no photographer, so excuse any blurry pictures.

Here is a picture of the upper receiver with the barrel nut attached. This was just a quick test fit of the rail components, so no barrel was used.

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/receiver_with_barrel_nut.jpg


This picture shows the rail fitted over the barrel nut and interfaced with the upper receiver. Notice how much of the sides of the rail overlap the upper receiver. This is probably why this rail may not work with some billet receivers. You can see one of the two set screws located above the pivot pin hole. The other set screw is on the other side of the rail in the same location.

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/receiver_with_mk1.jpg


This is a left side view of the rail mated with the receiver.

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/receiver_and_rail_interface_-_left_side.jpg


Below, is the right side view of the rail mated with the receiver.

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/receiver_and_rail_interface_-_right_side.jpg


As shown below, the top rail mates up perfectly to the receiver's flat top.

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/receiver_and_rail_interface_-_top.jpg


Lastly, a top view of the rail interface.

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/e/receiver_and_rail_top_view.jpg



EDIT 8/27/12:
Just got some of the new Geissele MK2 Handguards in Sand:
Weight of MK2 w/ barrel nut only: 1 lb 4.3 oz
Weight of MK2 w/ all hardware: 1 lb 7.6 oz


13" MK2 with all included hardware
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/k/mk2_13_sand.jpg


Front view, showing channels for the rail section backing plates
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/k/mkii_-_front.jpg


Massive anti-rotation flanges and nylon-tipped set screws
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/k/mkii_anti-rotation.jpg


Left Side view of MK2
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/k/mkii_-_left_side.jpg


It appears on the newest pictures that the steel thread inserts for the rail pieces have been deleted. Is this the case or does it just appear that way in the photos?

[ROG Tactical]

It appears on the newest pictures that the steel thread inserts for the rail pieces have been deleted. Is this the case or does it just appear that way in the photos?

You are correct. The MK2 rails use a backing plate for the rail sections. The backing plates fit within the channels inside the handguard.

[markm]

Looks cool. But yeah... if you have a front sight mounted on a 13" rail... you have to recheck zero if you take the rail off. I just had to live that ass ache with my 12.0 DD lite rail.

I'd still have to try one before I decided... I mean.. I thought the TROY TUBE thing looked good until I got my hands on one.

I'd take this over a ****ing tube any day of the week for sure.

[Chris17404]

Is the quoted weight of 20.3 oz. for a 13" MK2 rail correct? That seems awfully heavy.

[markm]

Is the quoted weight of 20.3 oz. for a 13" brazilian rail correct? That seems awfully heavy.

Again... handguards are hard to judge until you get one in hand.

We tend to obsess on ounce data on this site. Shit! There's even some dude looking at GRAMS for AR pistol grips.

I'll take a little more weight and get a real hand guard...not a sorry ass tube any day of the week!

[Pappabear]

I run Vltor Vis, RIS II, ......THAT VLTOR IS NOT EXACTLY LIGHT. But I do really like it. Would like to fondle this rail. I only care what I like. :D

[Chris17404]

Again... handguards are hard to judge until you get one in hand.

We tend to obsess on ounce data on this site. Shit! There's even some dude looking at GRAMS for AR pistol grips.

I'll take a little more weight and get a real hand guard...not a sorry ass tube any day of the week!

I agree with you on all points, just was curious if it was accurate. If the extra weight is back near the receiver, then it's much less of an issue.

[ROG Tactical]

Is the quoted weight of 20.3 oz. for a 13" MK2 rail correct? That seems awfully heavy.


That is correct...for rail plus barrel nut.

[markm]

Pappabear has one of these. I hope he wants to put it together tonight. :)

[sinlessorrow]

I am temted to get one of these. I need to replace my M4 RAS eventually and I have a theory about this rail.

Given that the large barrel nut contacts a decent amount of rail to barrel, I wonder if it does a good job at heat reduction. I am wantin to test chamber temps between this and the M4RAS.

[ALCOAR]

In terms of heat dissipation, obviously the SMR does extremely well due to the amount of surface area mated between the much larger GA barrel nut, and then the actual rail portion.

I've found it's only second to a MRP chassis in this respect.

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC07711.jpg

[markm]

Got to get on the rail today. :D

Barrel nut..
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/geissele1.jpg?t=1350950671

Noveske barrel and lo pro gas block..
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/geissele6.jpg?t=1350950672

MUR upper...
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/geissele5.jpg?t=1350950672

[markm]

Mk2 rail...

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/geisselei3.jpg?t=1350950952

NP3 Bolt group, Gunfighter Grip and Charging handle.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/geisselei2.jpg?t=1350950952

Brakeout and Noveske Bbl.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/geissele7.jpg?t=1350950672

[sinlessorrow]

whats the difference between the MK1 an II?

[Rattlehead]

Mk2 rail...

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/geisselei3.jpg?t=1350950952

NP3 Bolt group, Gunfighter Grip and Charging handle.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/geisselei2.jpg?t=1350950952

Brakeout and Noveske Bbl.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/geissele7.jpg?t=1350950672

That thing looks awesome.

Want.

[markm]

Me too!

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/geissele8.jpg?t=1350951979

[markm]

whats the difference between the MK1 an II?

Mk 1 costs almost $100 more, has a more rounded feel to it, has the screw hole machined into the rail body's steel inserts.

Mk 2 had the steel backers that slide to where you want them within the extrusion. Less steel machining... cheaper.

Both use the same nut/mounting system. Trident has a cool comparison video on the two.

[Magic_Salad0892]

Mk 1 costs almost $100 more, has a more rounded feel to it, has the screw hole machined into the rail body's steel inserts.

Mk 2 had the steel backers that slide to where you want them within the extrusion. Less steel machining... cheaper.

Both use the same nut/mounting system. Trident has a cool comparison video on the two.

Mark. I never thought I'd see you build something like that ever.

It looks ****in' sweet.

[jbo723]

I just picked up the MK1 and I wasn't even in the market for another rail. My LGS got one to test out and received two in error.

I couldn't pass it up for $150.00 so, guess I'll be buying a BCM 14.5 pretty soon..

[markm]

Mark. I never thought I'd see you build something like that ever.

It looks ****in' sweet.

That's Pappabear's upper. I just put it together for him... although... I'd take any of the components in this upper build in a minute.

The Geissele rail is EXACTLY what a sectional rail should be, and exactly what the TUBE crap is NOT. I like it...

[ALCOAR]

Damn Mark, fantastic job and pics....feedback asap!


I just picked up the MK1 and I wasn't even in the market for another rail. My LGS got one to test out and received two in error.

I couldn't pass it up for $150.00 so, guess I'll be buying a BCM 14.5 pretty soon..

Now that's outstanding news my friend. I can't wait to hear some thoughts from you when you have the time...email is cool. I owe a lot of my AR tastes to you, only fitting for you to grab a MK1.

I know your a URX whore though:D

MK 1 VS. MK 2

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC07961-1.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC07971-1.jpg

[Pappabear]

If the extra weight is back near the receiver, then it's much less of an issue.

This is the key on weight. Some of the extra weight is the barrel nut, which you don't feel much in handling. Neither Mark or I were bothered or noticed weight When we handled the rail out of the box. It feels quite normal in regards to weight. Fit and finish are tops.

It's another high end offering in different lengths than many rails. With a somewhat unique approach to mounts. People want a RIS II, in this or that length, or a URX changed for. .....Just another really good option guys. I have many of the top ends rails discussed here, and this rail fits right in the top shelf group.

This rail feels great while playing with it. We will run it hard this weekend, and test accuracy as well on the barrel. We'll keep you posted.

Thanks to Markm for wrenching this thing and getting the pics up. I had to bolt out of town.

We will get range report back next week.

PB

[Iraqgunz]

Damn, I guess I have been pushed out of the picture altogether. :(


This is the key on weight. Some of the extra weight is the barrel nut, which you don't feel much in handling. Neither Mark or I were bothered or noticed weight When we handled the rail out of the box. It feels quite normal in regards to weight. Fit and finish are tops.

It's another high end offering in different lengths than many rails. With a somewhat unique approach to mounts. People want a RIS II, in this or that length, or a URX changed for. .....Just another really good option guys. I have many of the top ends rails discussed here, and this rail fits right in the top shelf group.

This rail feels great while playing with it. We will run it hard this weekend, and test accuracy as well on the barrel. We'll keep you posted.

Thanks to Markm for wrenching this thing and getting the pics up. I had to bolt out of town.

We will get range report back next week.

PB

[ALCOAR]

IG...I haven't forgot about keeping you in mind.

Pappa....I smell a M4C challenge:

My Danial Defense 14.5" CHF LW / MK1

VS.

Your Noveske 14.5" match SS afghan / MK2

Give me your best 10rd group north of 600yds...any ammo, any shooter, etc. Just 10rds, and 600yds +

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC07845-1.jpg
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/yoyo.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_cIuMw0_R0

[Pappabear]

Damn, I guess I have been pushed out of the picture altogether. :(

Negative, you better be there Friday night. No escaping that easy.
Your writing the range report on the Noveske Afghan and G rail. Where going to put that AAC Mini on there too and see how it balances and handles.

I also could use some help on a painting project ill fill you in on.

[Pappabear]

IG...I haven't forgot about keeping you in mind.

Pappa....I smell a M4C challenge:

My Danial Defense 14.5" CHF LW / MK1

VS.

Your Noveske 14.5" match SS afghan / MK2

Give me your best 10rd group north of 600yds...any ammo, any shooter, etc. Just 10rds, and 600yds +

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC07845-1.jpg
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/yoyo.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_cIuMw0_R0

Roger that. 77 gainers yea that. Only problem is ill probably shoot the barrel out trying to get a descent group :D

[justlikeanyoneelse]

Whenever I read a review or someones "inquisitive critique," the most prevalent issue is weight. How many of you actually know what 1 pound and oh so ounces feels like? If a manufacturer made a rail system that weighed 6 pounds and it became a standard, then by god a rail weighing a bit more than 1 pound would be a god send.

I understand that weight is a factor, a rail can not be extremely heavy were it feels like your lifting weights. However I have yet to use a rail that felt this way. I had a chance to speak with a marine who just got discharged; he was issued the M27 and I asked him how he liked it. His answer was he did not like the fact it used 30 rd mags for lmg purposes but aside from that, loved it. When I brought up weight he told me it was not bad at all. Now we have a manufacturer telling us that "weight was not a factor," lets not kid ourselves we have a pretty good idea who requested these rails, if you ever met one of these men, would you say the things you post on here? If they ever had the time to read some of these posts how do you think they perceive us?

One counter argument is that the requirements for military purposes and commercial purposes are different or we do not need that specialized kit....

So we are not going to see combat everyday so we should all have watered down defensive products? Ohhhh that makes so much sense, now I realize why HK should never commercialize the MP7. :rolleyes:

Now if our active duty are not actively denouncing kit (92FS cough cough), why are we? Are we physically inferior? Do we civilians suffer from increased gravity when holding OUR PERSONALIZED rifles? Have we all become the lazy, fat, gun toting , ignorant stereotype? Last time I checked we were not doing push ups, running, or rucking before we shoot...so we should not be physically exhausted.

Look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, "Have I become that stereotypical apocalypse preparing survival marksman operator?"

We do not all have to be Chuck Norris ST6 Delta commandos but we all could be less of a puss. To those who disagree, excuses are far easier to swallow than the truth, to those who at least kinda agree thanks for making it this far. I have said this many times throughout my life and I strongly urge every human being to take it to heart...

"Push-ups are free"

Trident and mark/pappa, awesome rifles, I look forward to your more in-depth reviews; since the MK1 and MK2 are descendants of the 416 Geissele rail I expect many good things.

[Magic_Salad0892]

That's Pappabear's upper. I just put it together for him... although... I'd take any of the components in this upper build in a minute.

The Geissele rail is EXACTLY what a sectional rail should be, and exactly what the TUBE crap is NOT. I like it...

Aw, damn. I was hopeful.

[jesuvuah]

I like the looks of that. One thing is for sure, we definately live in a time when there is no shortage of options when it comes to accesories

[markm]

Damn, I guess I have been pushed out of the picture altogether. :(

:p Not hardly.

Pappa had an hour window before he had to pull up chocks. Neither one of us is exactly patient when it comes to getting a project knocked out.

The Geissele is a piece of cake to install, so we kicked it out.

I'd buy one of these rails, but the only barrel it'd be ideal for me with already has the DD lite. Not logical to go to the trouble since that rail is just fine.

[markm]

Give me your best 10rd group north of 600yds...any ammo, any shooter, etc. Just 10rds, and 600yds +

If I could get these jokers to listen to my wind calls, we'd be rolling.

They were killing me Saturday Morning. Pappa did get an 1150 yd Head shot with the 300 Win Mag.

[hunt_ak]

So who has one of these that they hate in sand? I've got a 12" Omega X that we need to trade for!!!

[Pappabear]

If I could get these jokers to listen to my wind calls, we'd be rolling.

They were killing me Saturday Morning. Pappa did get an 1150 yd Head shot with the 300 Win Mag.

Haha, he was making wind calls spot on all morning. " Hold 1.5 mil's PB, - it just missed right, how much wind did you hold PB, 1 mil - ****". I try to outsmart Markm and a 27X power spotting scope on mirage.

Not bueno. :fie:

Some guy put 2 mannequin heads on post at 1150. Small pigmy versions. Took me 3 shots. But pink dust blew everywhere from the fake skin and foam. It was quality stuff. We'll take a picture if they are still there next week. I didn't have my phone when we retrieved our steel.

[markm]

I'd like to think that I'm getting good at it, and it wasn't just a lucky day.

[Stickman]

When I brought up weight he told me it was not bad at all.

You weren't in the military yourself were you...?

[EzGoingKev]

You weren't in the military yourself were you...?
His entire post was a waste of bandwidth IMO.

[mtdawg169]

Any plans for a 10" rail? I'd love one of these for my pending SBR build.

[ALCOAR]

Your gonna have to fight me for the first 10-11" SMR MK1....:D

I already bought another MUR 1A for it, I don't want to bother GA so I'm trying to be patient....but it's my understanding that here any day now we should see more than likely a 11" SMR MK1.

I'm a big 10.5" guy running LMTs for some time now, but I can't wait to do some blasting with my first 11"/11.5" SBR setup. I also think the LW models are coming real soon as well.

[mtdawg169]

Your gonna have to fight me for the first 10-11" SMR MK1....:D

I already bought another MUR 1A for it, I don't want to bother GA so I'm trying to be patient....but it's my understanding that here any day now we should see more than likely a 11" SMR MK1.

I'm a big 10.5" guy running LMTs for some time now, but I can't wait to do some blasting with my first 11"/11.5" SBR setup. I also think the LW models are coming real soon as well.

Arm wrestling contest? ;-)

I have an MUR and special run KAC 11.5" that I'm waiting to build up. Still undecided on the rail, but a 10-11" lightweight SMR sounds pretty awesome.

ETA: no QD sockets?

[ALCOAR]

I wish I had one or two pieces from the KAC special runs.....love to have the upper receiver with the built in rear micro.

I've let GA know on a number of occasions how important I personally believe integrated QD sockets are, especially rear ones. The MRP chassis ruined me in that respect.

So what I can say is that GA has duly noted the huge importance their future customers place on QD sockets.

Here is the reason that GA has given for not being able to incorporate this feature on the SMRs yet.....Vs. being able to do them on the HK DoD contract rail.

Mr. Geissele on 10/15 posted....

" The HK receiver has a higher M1913 rail than the AR and putting the QD steel insert in the AR rail was too tight to make it work. We have several options coming for QD mounting. One at 45 deg and one that attached at 9 and 3 oclock. "

[Casull]

Seems legit. This rail does look pretty sporty in red (made for the HK shooting team). The QD point really does set the 416 version apart from others.
Considering the way this one was done with the HK logo I wonder what kinds of "custom" offerings could me made in the future for any of their rails.

http://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/geissele-automatics-custom-hk-416-rail-header.jpg
Image Source:here (http://www.recoilweb.com/geissele-automatics-custom-hk-416-rail-9037.html)

[justlikeanyoneelse]

Actually I was.


You weren't in the military yourself were you...?

[sinlessorrow]

Actually I was.

I bet you tell everyone who mentions the weight of the M249.."pushups are free"

[justlikeanyoneelse]

Very good point, my post was not meant to stir the hornets nest just something to think about, but how many of us are running M249s?

If anyone else feels that my post was highly unnecessary lets take this to PM, we have derailed this thread far enough.


I bet you tell everyone who mentions the weight of the M249.."pushups are free"

[Magic_Salad0892]

Your gonna have to fight me for the first 10-11" SMR MK1....:D

I already bought another MUR 1A for it, I don't want to bother GA so I'm trying to be patient....but it's my understanding that here any day now we should see more than likely a 11" SMR MK1.

I'm a big 10.5" guy running LMTs for some time now, but I can't wait to do some blasting with my first 11"/11.5" SBR setup. I also think the LW models are coming real soon as well.

That's gnarly. Don't get me excited now, y'hear?

[jbo723]

Damn Mark, fantastic job and pics....feedback asap!



Now that's outstanding news my friend. I can't wait to hear some thoughts from you when you have the time...email is cool. I owe a lot of my AR tastes to you, only fitting for you to grab a MK1.

I know your a URX whore though:D

MK 1 VS. MK 2

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC07961-1.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC07971-1.jpg

Gathering all the parts slowly but surely and probably won't have it built till after a Vickers Battle Rifle class in November.

First impressions of the rail has me feeling that this will definitely bump my URX outfitted rifles down one spot in the rotation.

And you were the inspiration to go with a 14.5" LW for this rail :D

[hunt_ak]

http://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/geissele-automatics-custom-hk-416-rail-header.jpg
Image Source:here (http://www.recoilweb.com/geissele-automatics-custom-hk-416-rail-9037.html)

One cross-bolt and a QD socket. Are there plans to make these changes to the MK1 version?

[C45P312]

So there are no QD points built into the rail?!

[Pappabear]

One cross-bolt and a QD socket. Are there plans to make these changes to the MK1 version?

I like em.

[hunt_ak]

I like em.

Do you know something we dont or just agree?

[Pappabear]

Do you know something we dont or just agree?

I don't know nada

[markm]

So there are no QD points built into the rail?!

If there were, I'd have thrown it in the trash when Pappabear brought it over.

[kdcgrohl]

If there were, I'd have thrown it in the trash when Pappabear brought it over.

Because the extra hole would have made it weigh so much more?

[markm]

Because the extra hole would have made it weigh so much more?

No. Because those things disgust me and they have no place on a fighting gun.

Each time this comes up I'll get another guy or two who will post or PM me saying THANKS for the tip on the stupid QDs... mine fell out on me too, etc.

QD swivels = Shit NOT wired tight.

[Biggy]

I wish I had one or two pieces from the KAC special runs.....love to have the upper receiver with the built in rear micro.

I've let GA know on a number of occasions how important I personally believe integrated QD sockets are, especially rear ones. The MRP chassis ruined me in that respect.

So what I can say is that GA has duly noted the huge importance their future customers place on QD sockets.

Here is the reason that GA has given for not being able to incorporate this feature on the SMRs yet.....Vs. being able to do them on the HK DoD contract rail.

Mr. Geissele on 10/15 posted....

" The HK receiver has a higher M1913 rail than the AR and putting the QD steel insert in the AR rail was too tight to make it work. We have several options coming for QD mounting. One at 45 deg and one that attached at 9 and 3 oclock. "



For those wanting a QD sling mount on your rail, this one looks like it would be a good option for you. It weighs only .87 of an ounce and you can put it pretty much where you want it to be.

http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/45-offset-1913-rail-qd-rotation-limited-sling-mount-n-slot/

[Magic_Salad0892]

No. Because those things disgust me and they have no place on a fighting gun.

Each time this comes up I'll get another guy or two who will post or PM me saying THANKS for the tip on the stupid QDs... mine fell out on me too, etc.

QD swivels = Shit NOT wired tight.

One of the few things I disagree with you on.

I've never ever had a problem with them.

[markm]

One of the few things I disagree with you on.

I've never ever had a problem with them.

No sweat! We're not here to agree on every single thing! :p It'd be boring.

[Magic_Salad0892]

No sweat! We're not here to agree on every single thing! :p It'd be boring.

Lol. How often do you see them shits break?

[markm]

Never seen an outright breakage. Mostly unexplained detachments from the socket.

[ROG Tactical]

These just showed up today! This is a very bad pic, but you get the idea of what it is!


http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/img_3145.jpg

http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/370x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/img_3144.jpg

[C45P312]

Anyone have the HK416 rail in stock?

[johnson]

Mike or anyone else with firsthand experience, how do these (the MK1) compare to the Daniel Defense RIS II handguards?

[medicmiles]

Looks very nice.

[Pappabear]

Mike or anyone else with firsthand experience, how do these (the MK1) compare to the Daniel Defense RIS II handguards?

I own both. The G rail has amazing fit and finish. I really prefer the feel of the G rail for handling. And it depends on which RIS II?
I also like the lengths. 13 &15 is perfect. There is nothing that bothers me about the RIS II. And I really like the flat bottom rail.
Both are great, just preference

[jbo723]

Finally got a chance to get this assembled. Overall feel is great and since I've shifted over to using the modular type rails the past two years, it has the profile I prefer and is one of the main reasons I picked up the SMR rail.

My main rifle has 15K through it and I wanted to assemble another 14.5 as a back up to my other 14.5 I primarily use. It was a no brainer to grab a BCM and the upper came in about a month ago. Pretty glad I grabbed all the parts when I did given the current situation.

I'm going to run about 1K rounds through it on my SBR lower before I decide whether or not to pin the SF MB556 and throw it on one of my spare Title 1 lowers sitting in the safe.

Sorry for the crappy cell phone pic..Never really took the time to take any quality photos of any of my rifles.

http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww359/jboy723/Gun%20Shit/1356492173.jpg

[GUNSLINGER733]

Looks sweet. Guess ill be getting one when the Jack gets released..

[MountainRaven]

Okay...just toook some quick pics of a VLTOR MUR with the Geissele 13" MK1...it fits like a glove!

I did not install the barrel nut screws, or tighten the set screws, so don't freak out when you don't see them in the pictures.


MUR with MK1 Barrel Nut
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/u/mur_with_mk1_barrel_nut.jpg


Close-up of MUR with MK1
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/u/mur_-_closeup.jpg


Left side of MUR with MK1
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/u/mur_-_left_side.jpg


Bottom view of MUR with MK1
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/u/mur_-_underside.jpg


Right side of MUR with MK1
http://s4e5fc2d16a332.img.gostorego.com/802754/cdn/media/s4/e5/fc/2d/16/a3/32/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/u/mur_-_right_side.jpg

Either the MUR or the SMR has been redesigned: They no longer fit each other. Can put up pics this evening.

[markm]

Either the MUR or the SMR has been redesigned: They no longer fit each other. Can put up pics this evening.

Are you talking about the NOVESKE version? That upper isn't compatable with several rails that have anti rotational tabs..

[MountainRaven]

Oh.

Poop.

Now I get to find a 'standard' MUR.

:(

[markm]

Oh.

Poop.

Now I get to find a 'standard' MUR.

:(

I wish I had one to trade you... I don't run any fancy rails, and I like the extra meat on the NOVESKE variant.

[austing43801]

I like it but is it worth dropping my Daniel omega x 12 fsp For? Then I have to go to flip ups I mean longer sight radius but hmmm lots of thinking now

[jamesbern]

I'm thinking of going with a 13" SMR on a 16" barrel for an upper i'm building.

Which would you go with......MK1 or MK2?

[Pappabear]

I like it but is it worth dropping my Daniel omega x 12 fsp For? Then I have to go to flip ups I mean longer sight radius but hmmm lots of thinking now

Not in my opinion. Unless you want to go to flip sights.
Otherwise, the FSP is great.

[austing43801]

Not in my opinion. Unless you want to go to flip sights.
Otherwise, the FSP is great.

That's what I'm thinking

[MountainRaven]

I wish I had one to trade you... I don't run any fancy rails, and I like the extra meat on the NOVESKE variant.

I appreciate the thought, but I found one (with some help from a fellow boardmember)!

[Riddle]

this seems to be the most informative thread about the g rail so i thought i would see if there are any pertinent updates from owners after a few more months of use.
i currently have a 12" dd lite rail and im thinking about changing it up. not that the lite rail isnt nice, but it seems like im shying away more and more from quad rails

[ALCOAR]

Give this thread a read...and if you got some questions afterwards fire away :)

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1569013#post1569013


That thread includes info on the newer Mk4 model, along with the Mk1, and Mk2 models.

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/b147e787-0e1e-49fe-b9bc-cb3edd3ff13e_zps8f9656ee.jpg

[hunt_ak]

Yup, that thing still looks awful on your rifle. I'm still willing to help a guy out and give it a home..

[Riddle]

thanks for the link trident. im now convinced the mk2 is the ticket for me.

[chainring]

The original pics are down, which makes me sad.