View Full Version : AR ban in california...new legislation
i am not sure if this is the correct forum or not...but...hopefully if it's not, a moderator will put it in the correct place.
sen leland yee has modified SB249: it will ban ANY FIREARM WITH A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE THAT MAY BE ACTIVATED WITH A FINGER OR A TOOL (BULLET BUTTON)
we, in California need your help and support...contact our representatives and voice your opposition to SB249
your state may be next if it's not stopped here.
more info here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=605484
i am not sure if this is the correct forum or not...but...hopefully if it's not, a moderator will put it in the correct place.
sen leland yee has modified SB249: it will ban ANY FIREARM WITH A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE THAT MAY BE ACTIVATED WITH A FINGER OR A TOOL (BULLET BUTTON)
we, in California need your help and support...contact our representatives and voice your opposition to SB249
your state may be next if it's not stopped here.
more info here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=605484
Leland Yee and his toadies have indeed completely rewritten the law. This law will indeed ban without compensation any BB (or equivalent) equipped rifle with the listed evil features. No pistol ban involved.
PalmettoPrecision
08-08-12, 09:59
I am fortunate to live in a state where the chances of this happening are slim to none. I feel for you. If I were in your situation, I would be looking for work in Arizona.
BrigandTwoFour
08-08-12, 10:07
I have been watching this law very carefully, as the Air Force is likely to move me from Montana, where I've built a nice little collection, to California- where most of my stuff is illegal (and there is no provision for military folks).
The law started off as an agricultural bill. After it passed the senate, Yee gutted it and turned it into a ban on the bullet button. After it passed the safety council, and following the Aurora shooting, he gutted it again to change the definition of detachable magazine, effectively banning any configuration.
Those who are fighting the law are keeping their mouths shut, as it is likely Yee's staff is using the analysis posted on CGF to further "improve" the law. As it stands, if it passes, there is a good chance that 20,000 gun owners will become felons overnight. There is no provision for public notice, no provision for compensation for confiscation. The choices are turn them in for destruction, sell them out of state, or have them confiscated at the time of arrest. CA will not reopen the assault weapon registration list for this.
The staffers are having a twitter war about how it's OK, since AR owners can just weld the magazine in (because that works so well on anodized aluminum).
There is significant hope that if this passes, a lawsuit can be filed declaring the law unconstitutional, and using the "in common use" clause of the Heller decision. But that would take years to reverse.
lowdowndad
08-08-12, 10:20
I've got a dog in this fight, big time. Another good site is:
www.stopsb249.org along with the calguns site.
I'm trying to move north but have family obligations holding me back for now.
As soon as those are taken care of I'm outta here because the antis will NEVER LEAVE US THE **** ALONE!!!
Thanx, lowdowndad
Here is a quick little fact sheet that was created and is hosted by stopsb249.org I did not create this and am not taking credit for it. I apologize if I'm not supposed to link externally but I want you guys to see what those of us in CA are having to deal with and this is a good overview of SB249.
http://stopsb249.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sb249_fact_sheet1.pdf
LowSpeed_HighDrag
08-08-12, 13:51
I am fortunate to live in a state where the chances of this happening are slim to none. I feel for you. If I were in your situation, I would be looking for work in Arizona.
and what happens when this nonsense comes to your state? Do you just pack up and run away or fight it like an American should? California liberalism spreads like a wildfire, just ask Coloradoans how fast it took to turn blue...
and what happens when this nonsense comes to your state? Do you just pack up and run away or fight it like an American should? California liberalism spreads like a wildfire, just ask Coloradoans how fast it took to turn blue...
My thoughts exactly. If this passes in California it will set precedence and spread like lowspeed says, wildfire. I'm guessing north east would follow next.
There is significant hope that if this passes, a lawsuit can be filed declaring the law unconstitutional, and using the "in common use" clause of the Heller decision. But that would take years to reverse.
I wouldn't put much faith in Heller, or any other court decisions saving anything, further, the guy on the SCOTUS largely responsible for Heller, has been completely compromised by the Obama administration, further the constitution is simply meaningless, the only thing holding them back at this stage, is the lobbying power of the "industry" itself...
and what happens when this nonsense comes to your state? Do you just pack up and run away or fight it like an American should? California liberalism spreads like a wildfire, just ask Coloradoans how fast it took to turn blue...
Honestly this fight was lost when they accepted the magazine ban. The bullet button was just a temporary end run around. From there it was inevitable. If anyone thought they would get away with the bullet button forever they were kidding themselves. And now they are ****ed. Pretty soon they'll be like England.
I don't blame the CA gun owners, there was nothing they could do as they were hopelessly outnumbered and they had no legal recourse that would have worked. The only thing they could do was pack up and leave if they were able to. Otherwise it's like living in a major city, there is simply some bullshit that you can't overcome because the scumbags outnumber you and are willing to do things that you cannot in order to impose their way of life on you.
And IF a bunch of CA gun owners did say **** it and sacrifice their families and future to fight against it with something more than their vote, they wouldn't have had a chance and their actions would be declared "domestic terrorism" and would be used as a basis for the same gun bans they are now facing. The only difference is they would be dead or their lives destroyed.
In CA if you are a 60s radical who engaged in arson, vandalism, treason or even murder you can be forgiven and will even be respected and/or rewarded with opportunities such as being made a university professor. But gun owners will never be shown the same consideration.
The extremely depressing conclusion I have arrived at is some states are simply lost and it will be everything we can do to try and prevent the same thing from happening in our own states.
And IF a bunch of CA gun owners did say **** it and sacrifice their families and future to fight against it with something more than their vote, they wouldn't have had a chance and their actions would be declared "domestic terrorism" and would be used as a basis for the same gun bans they are now facing. The only difference is they would be dead or their lives destroyed.
Waiting for the resident internet tough guys to show up and call you a defeatist or a coward........
JBecker 72
08-08-12, 15:40
I am hitting the eject button from this hell hole in November and returning to Northern VA. **** this place and it's legislators.
Waiting for the resident internet tough guys to show up and call you a defeatist or a coward........
If he can provide an alternate valid solution that I didn't think of then by all means he can call me names and enlighten me.
Doc Safari
08-08-12, 16:32
I think SteyrAUG nailed it. The bullet button always was a "rule beater" and was doomed to fail from the get-go.
I have been watching this law very carefully, as the Air Force is likely to move me from Montana, where I've built a nice little collection, to California- where most of my stuff is illegal (and there is no provision for military folks).
The law started off as an agricultural bill. After it passed the senate, Yee gutted it and turned it into a ban on the bullet button. After it passed the safety council, and following the Aurora shooting, he gutted it again to change the definition of detachable magazine, effectively banning any configuration.
Those who are fighting the law are keeping their mouths shut, as it is likely Yee's staff is using the analysis posted on CGF to further "improve" the law. As it stands, if it passes, there is a good chance that 20,000 gun owners will become felons overnight. There is no provision for public notice, no provision for compensation for confiscation. The choices are turn them in for destruction, sell them out of state, or have them confiscated at the time of arrest. CA will not reopen the assault weapon registration list for this.
The staffers are having a twitter war about how it's OK, since AR owners can just weld the magazine in (because that works so well on anodized aluminum).
There is significant hope that if this passes, a lawsuit can be filed declaring the law unconstitutional, and using the "in common use" clause of the Heller decision. But that would take years to reverse.
How is changing a bill and not bringing it back up for vote legal?
My hope is that this bill is even too radical for radical Jerry Brown and he vetoes it.
BrigandTwoFour
08-08-12, 18:47
How is changing a bill and not bringing it back up for vote legal?
Wonderful question. But that's what happened.
It hasn't gone up for a full vote in the state house/senate. But with the politics of California being what they are, nobody is expecting the bill to have a problem there.
If he can provide an alternate valid solution that I didn't think of then by all means he can call me names and enlighten me.
Good luck with that, I've tried the same thing.
My hope is that this bill is even too radical for radical Jerry Brown and he vetoes it.
You hope that a gun ban in CA is too radical for radical anti gun folks? You do have a lot of faith about things.
I'm getting the hell out of NYS a couple years from now and never looking back.
To those that would say that this garbage will spread, I doubt it. Free States will see a major influx of free people, bolstering the vote.
justin_247
08-08-12, 23:46
To those that would say that this garbage will spread, I doubt it. Free States will see a major influx of free people, bolstering the vote.
Doubtful. If anything, the exact opposite is happening. The conservative right created a fairly libertarian state that attracted all of the 60s radicals. Eventually, they grew up and used their talents for things other than political protests, and became rich. However, they never gave up their political views and formed various groups that worked within the system to promote their causes. Combined with a highly democratic constitutional amendment process, they managed to enact a whole series of socialist policies that have completely wrecked the state. Now, they're taking their money and leaving the state, but mentally refuse to accept that its their fault that the state is on the verge of collapse. As a result, wherever they move to, they again start up their advocacy for their socialist causes and start the whole process over again.
Migrating liberal Californians are the plague of our time.
You hope that a gun ban in CA is too radical for radical anti gun folks? You do have a lot of faith about things.
Oh, my hope and faith aren't in ole Jerrdog, he's a complete tool.;)
Doubtful. If anything, the exact opposite is happening. The conservative right created a fairly libertarian state that attracted all of the 60s radicals. Eventually, they grew up and used their talents for things other than political protests, and became rich. However, they never gave up their political views and formed various groups that worked within the system to promote their causes. Combined with a highly democratic constitutional amendment process, they managed to enact a whole series of socialist policies that have completely wrecked the state. Now, they're taking their money and leaving the state, but mentally refuse to accept that its their fault that the state is on the verge of collapse. As a result, wherever they move to, they again start up their advocacy for their socialist causes and start the whole process over again.
Migrating liberal Californians are the plague of our time.
Pretty much. We've been dealing with the plague of liberal locust carpetbaggers in the South for close to 25 years. New Yorkers and Joosey trash and Massholes have been migrating here for the last couple decades because of the lower costs of living, lower crime, better/safer schools, and low taxes, but they are seem intellectually incapable of recognizing why their home states became so unpleasant as to necessitate abandonment and why Southern states and cities were so appealing.
The waves of rats abandoning ship in California have been the same, just ask Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and Oregon how California's slow implosion has been affecting their demographics.
This is very sad. California is a beautiful state, lush mountains, gorgeous ocean and beaches. Lakes full of fish and naked ladies on speedboats. Yet it is so ****ed politically, financially and finally legislatively (it is a word?). Looks like heaven and hell have compromised and decided to meet in the middle. I hope it all works out for the best. Meanwhile, in Ohio, I'll be enjoying my stockpiling of ammo and all the weapons we here on this website know and love dearly. Come to the light, oh California....if you can.
Four years & counting on GTFO of CA. Saving cash & planning carefully. Don't shoot me when I show up just because I'm from here! I'm not infected! HAHA!
JBecker 72
08-10-12, 00:15
This is very sad. California is a beautiful state, lush mountains, gorgeous ocean and beaches. Lakes full of fish and naked ladies on speedboats. Yet it is so ****ed politically, financially and finally legislatively (it is a word?). Looks like heaven and hell have compromised and decided to meet in the middle. I hope it all works out for the best. Meanwhile, in Ohio, I'll be enjoying my stockpiling of ammo and all the weapons we here on this website know and love dearly. Come to the light, oh California....if you can.
You are right. I live in the san Francisco bay area, but my little brother lives in Santa Barbara and that place is amazing. Both places are very beautiful, I love the bay area weather and terrain, especially as an avid mountain biker. It's too bad this place is run by retards and **** ups.
Awesome place to visit, horrible place to live.
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The waves of rats abandoning ship in California have been the same, just ask Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and Oregon how California's slow implosion has been affecting their demographics.
Don't forget Arizona....
justin_247
08-10-12, 00:45
Don't forget Arizona....
That's where I first developed my theory, after living there for 4 years. Now I live in CA... ugh. Beautiful state, stupid voters.
Arizona is getting it way worse than New Mexico.
The three bastions of liberalism in this state run the show, with the capitol being the worst of them.
I don't see the Calihorde ruining Arizona. Among the best gun laws in the nation, sticking it to DC on immigration, passing laws about 20+ week abortion . . . .
Of course, I don't live there, just the outside POV. Ive heard Tucson is pretty lefty though
diving dave
08-10-12, 10:56
I saw the light several years ago and bought 30 acres in Montana:D...but I still have 2 years to go working as a LEO here in the San Fran bay area. I can remember the good old days when you could go the the local Big 5 sporting stores and buy HK's, AR's. etc. In my opinion Ca is a sinking ship. Cities are going belly up, crime is through the roof, and we have a group of complete morons running Sacramento. I've moved all my fun toys out of state except my duty guns.
CA has F'd up a good portion of CO here. I don't know how many CA transplants I've talked to while house buying/shopping. "Yeah, we just sold our $800K, 2K sq. ft. place out there, moved here and are buying this 4K sq. ft. $400K place here in cash. It's a steal!" Over and over and over again. Transplant after transplant, year after year after year. And the home prices here climbed and climbed and climbed because there were buyers.
Thanks a F'ing lot. Now our home prices are F'd here. Thank you CA for your 50yr mortgages and 12yr car loans.
I have been watching this law very carefully, as the Air Force is likely to move me from Montana, where I've built a nice little collection, to California- where most of my stuff is illegal (and there is no provision for military folks).
The law started off as an agricultural bill. After it passed the senate, Yee gutted it and turned it into a ban on the bullet button. After it passed the safety council, and following the Aurora shooting, he gutted it again to change the definition of detachable magazine, effectively banning any configuration.
Those who are fighting the law are keeping their mouths shut, as it is likely Yee's staff is using the analysis posted on CGF to further "improve" the law. As it stands, if it passes, there is a good chance that 20,000 gun owners will become felons overnight. There is no provision for public notice, no provision for compensation for confiscation. The choices are turn them in for destruction, sell them out of state, or have them confiscated at the time of arrest. CA will not reopen the assault weapon registration list for this.
The staffers are having a twitter war about how it's OK, since AR owners can just weld the magazine in (because that works so well on anodized aluminum).
There is significant hope that if this passes, a lawsuit can be filed declaring the law unconstitutional, and using the "in common use" clause of the Heller decision. But that would take years to reverse.
for sure will not reopen registration?
BrigandTwoFour
08-10-12, 20:06
They closed that door long ago. The last thing that they want is another 1 million+ new registered assault weapons on the books.
The latest news I've been able to muster is that the bill goes to the appropriations committee next week. One group is fighting the bill based on the sheer amount of cost. It violates civil rights to confiscate previously legal items without compensation, so that would have to be present (despite Yee's claim that it doesn't) since there is ample evidence from previous court cases and the attorney general saying that magazine locks are legal and so equipped rifles are not assault weapons.
In order to compensate fair market value for over estimated 800,000 rifles, they're looking at at least several hundred million to over 1.4 billion dollars- something that the state just cannot afford to do.
Another front is fighting the restriction from a safety standpoint. Virtually all firearms manuals, military manuals, and the California department of justices own firearms guidelines for police officers dictate that the first step in safely clearing a malfunctioning firearm is to remove the magazine. Arguing to have the magazine "welded" or otherwise permanently attached creates a governmentally-forced safety hazard and is thus a worse safety menace than mere possession.
There are apparently a few others fronts to the fight, but they aren't being publicly talked about.
A few are still holding out that such a ban, should it be passed, would be immediately challenged in court and implementation stayed until further decision is made. There isn't much hope that the bill won't pass through the senate, house, and governor should it make though the committees. So, if it gets that far, then the courts are the only remaining option.
BrigandTwoFour
08-10-12, 20:11
FWIW, this was the letter sent to the appropriations committee members.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/102470096/Cal-FFL-SB-249-Opposition-Asm-Appropriations-STOP-SB-249
I don't see the Calihorde ruining Arizona. Among the best gun laws in the nation, sticking it to DC on immigration, passing laws about 20+ week abortion . . . .
Of course, I don't live there, just the outside POV. Ive heard Tucson is pretty lefty though
Phoenix is fairly red while Tucson is very blue.
Despite being a complete moron, the people of District 7 continue to elect Raul Grijalva. Ron Barber just picked up Gabrielle Giffords' seat. The city council which effectively controls the city (the mayor has no real power), is 4 of 5 Dem vs. Rep. Prior to the Tea Party movement 2 years ago, all 5 seats were Dem. controlled.
There are a shitload of CA transplants here. Many sold their overpriced CA homes at the height of the housing bubble and moved here.
If we aren't careful, the balance can be shifted here as well.
eventually won't the awb be repealed?
ca is a lost cause. Wont be long till you'll be eating your steaks with spoons.
BrigandTwoFour
08-15-12, 23:04
If anyone was following, this bill has been pulled from committee and will not be heard.
The writers have vowed to submit it again next year, but I'm thinking that's not going to happen. The writers did it in response to a report about an object that was already illegal to use, but didn't know that at the time. They tried to expand it without realizing what a hornets nest they were about to kick. By next year, I'm sure they will move on to whatever opportunistic topic they think will get them votes.
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