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Reagans Rascals
08-09-12, 21:16
Am I the only person that really sees no reason to even vote this year....
They are both bad news and will FUBAR this country, there is no reason to write-in, because lets be completely honest that's the exact same as just not voting, either way... Romney and Obama don't get a vote...
If you truly do not want either man running the country, then why is it your civic duty to still get out and vote...
people say you can't bitch if you didn't vote.... well actually that's b/s.... if you didn't vote, that means you didn't think any choice presented was worth a shit and therefore abstained from willfully making the country worse... so therefore... you can say... I told you so...
this is not just in regards to the presidential election... this is in regards to any election, for any office, anywhere... you show me one person worth voting for... and I'll show you a liar...
this recent pandering and the continuous god damn ads on tv have just got me pissed off now....
I can't be the only one that feels this way....
crusader377
08-09-12, 21:26
I don't think you are alone at all in your dissatisfaction of the choices between Obama and Romney. I think you should still vote because although I don't think Romney will be a great president and will not or can not reverse the course this nation is going in at least he may slow it down and buy us time.
For example I think Obama is driving this country towards a cliff at 100mph whereas Romney might only drive towards the cliff at 30mph. At least by voting for Romney we might buy ourselves time until we can possibly elect someone better.
Either way, you can take comfort in knowing that your choice won't even matter. Voting is an American right, the choice to vote or not is yours.
I feel the same way Regan. It's hopeless either way. The only reason I'm voting this time is because I'd feel guilty for not voting. I don't have any faith in our politicians. Any of them.
I understand what you're saying and in many ways you are quite right..I think it's shocking that, in order to get elected, you should be prepared to spend about 1 Billion dollars..I've said it before, our choices are, on the very basic level, Asshole "A" or Asshole "B."
All kidding aside, I think that turnout for this one will be very high. I hope that enough people realize the inflection point that is just 3 months away. Either we start to slow the train with a Republican President and Senate coupled with a Conservative House (not all Repubs are conservative), or we accelerate into the abyss.
I agree that Romney leaves a lot to be desired. However, I can only hope that his previous conservative apostates where due to a liberal Mass legislature. One can wish...
Moose-Knuckle
08-09-12, 22:43
Nope, not alone at all.
Will I vote? Absolutely! Will it count/matter? Absolutely not!
As long as I have the "right" (or the illusion thereof) to vote I will.
I feel like it hasn't been a vote for who you want to be president for a long time. Its been more of a vote of who you dislike less. That lesser of two evils thing...
That is EXACTLY how I feel.
But I do recognize that Romney is better than four more years of Obama so that is why I'm gonna vote for him.
Sure it's like voting for if you'd rather be pissed on or shit on. Neither are what you want. But one is a bit worse.
The_War_Wagon
08-09-12, 23:36
Don't 'settle' for the lesser of two EVILS - vote for GOODE! :D
http://www.constitutionparty.com/images/VoteForGoode.jpg
I voted CONSTITUTION PARTY last election - looks like I will again. :cool:
Don Robison
08-09-12, 23:40
if you didn't vote, that means you didn't think any choice presented was worth a shit and therefore abstained from willfully making the country worse... so therefore... you can say... I told you so...
It's flawed logic because one of them is getting elected whether you vote or not. It's not like they have a do over if not enough people vote. The only thing you will have done is contribute to the decline by not participating and at least voting against someone.
The reverse of your version of I told you so is people telling you that by not participating you helped the worse of two crappy choices win as if it's possible to pick a turd up by the clean end.
That said; you're not alone in not liking either candidate.
Look at it this way...the best option, until a real option comes along, is to limit the office to first termers so that we don't get the full measure of their incompetence in a second term unfettered by moderate behavior based on hopes of re-election.
No matter how bad you think the alternative is, four more years of what we have now will likely be catastrophic.
guess you are a lot like obama then who did not vote on a lot of things and just voted present !
sometimes ya have to make choices and tough ones
(I would say most people think this is true and know it is)
I guess those fine soldiers on D-Day many just wanted to not go ashore or stay in the boat knowing what lay ahead for them but they jumped out went full force and many died so yes the short term sucked for them ! but in the long run they won !
and I hope many of their kids know what sacrifice their fathers did !
now if we had all been cowards and said we are not fighting and just want to sit here and try to say I told you so !
then chances are I would be writing this in German or maybe not at all ?
bottom line grow up man up and vote ! vote for a person you do like ! do a write in if you have to !
I do agree both suck I hope Romney though can run the country like a business and not like a gov idiot and just throw money down the toilet ?
Reagans Rascals
08-10-12, 02:35
I'm sorry but I just cannot see voting for anything that will cause harm... and thus.... even if one will cause less harm than the other... it still causes harm... so whats the ****in point....
its like someone saying... I can kick you in the dick... or I can burn you with a cigarette.....
ummm..... sorry but I think I'll pass altogether....
you cast a vote for the person you want to win, for the person you think is best for the job.... not simply for the person you think will **** up the least..... if you know for a fact... they are all shit... you're best to just keep your opinion to yourself....
the reason the system is the way it is... and that you all accept the fact that its the lesser of two evils... is because we all allow it to continue... and because of the b/s reasoning and rationalizations floating around specifically like "... the lesser of two evils..."
the longer we just accept it and vote for the "lesser of two evils".... the longer this shit show will be on the air....
its like someone telling each and everyone of you that you have to pick one... and you have to pay for it.... Bushmaster... or DPMS... you have to pick one.... and the gun fight starts at 9...... I think most here would decline....
Just a Jarhead
08-10-12, 03:35
Lets see...
-one candidate says day 1 he will issue a waiver to all 50 states to immediately cease Obamacare and the multitude of business crippling taxes and regulation that would otherwise come with Obamacare on day 1
-One candidate will not keep spending us into oblivion assuring an economic collapse
-One candidate proposes tax cuts including all of the following:
• Make a permanent, across-the-board 20-percent cut in marginal rates
• Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains
• Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
• Eliminate the Death Tax
• Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)
• Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
• Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
• Switch to a territorial tax system
• Repeal the corporate Alternative Minimum Tax
-one candidate will actually have an energy plan for America and Drill for oil in our own vast reserves rather than stifle every effort to produce our own energy while guaranteeing loans to Venezuela to drill and prohibiting the XO pipeline from being built
-one candidate does not support same sex marriage and abortion
-one candidate isn't a Marxist
-one candiate isn't constantly trying to divide us with "class warfare"
-one candidate isn't going to try to overload the "entitlement" system
-one candidate actually believes in American exceptionalism and won't go around the world apologizing for America
NOPE, I see no differences in the candidates! None at all! But then again... I'm deaf, dumb and blind!
Reagans Rascals
08-10-12, 03:50
Lets see...
-one candidate says day 1 he will issue a waiver to all 50 states to immediately cease Obamacare and the multitude of business crippling taxes and regulation that would otherwise come with Obamacare on day 1
-One candidate will not keep spending us into oblivion assuring an economic collapse
-One candidate proposes tax cuts including all of the following:
• Make a permanent, across-the-board 20-percent cut in marginal rates
• Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains
• Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
• Eliminate the Death Tax
• Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)
• Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
• Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
• Switch to a territorial tax system
• Repeal the corporate Alternative Minimum Tax
-one candidate will actually have an energy plan for America and Drill for oil in our own vast reserves rather than stifle every effort to produce our own energy while guaranteeing loans to Venezuela to drill and prohibiting the XO pipeline from being built
-one candidate does not support same sex marriage and abortion
-one candidate isn't a Marxist
-one candiate isn't constantly trying to divide us with "class warfare"
-one candidate isn't going to try to overload the "entitlement" system
-one candidate actually believes in American exceptionalism and won't go around the world apologizing for America
NOPE, I see no differences in the candidates! None at all! But then again... I'm deaf, dumb and blind!
to be honest.... it sounds suspiciously like you've drank the coolaid... and actually believe every single thing he says he will do.... that's called pandering... you know... midnight promises to seal the deal.... that doesn't mean shit once the deal is done... the current commander in chief is proof of that fact...
and sorry.... but same sex marriage and abortion have nothing to do with me... so that's not a campaign issue to me... and those 2 issues... religious issues mind you... should have absolutely no bearing on the direction of the country
polymorpheous
08-10-12, 05:13
Gary Johnson
A thread by someone who plans on doing nothing, even to the point of boasting about it, and seems to be trying to influence other people to do nothing.
Did the original poster work on the primary campaigns of any of Romney's opponents?
Contribute money to any of Romney's primary opponents?
Even bother himself to vote in a primary?
If so, you lost, get over it. If not then a huge cup of STFU is in order.
Go ahead, don't vote, help the socialist and his gun grabbing AG stay as your ruler and you his subject for another 4 years.
Magic_Salad0892
08-10-12, 06:31
I don't care for Romney.
But I think he'll put together a good cabinet.
I do not like the fact that he's anti-gun, anti-gay marriage, and anti-abortion.
In fact. I tend not to like candidates who are anti-anything. Except anti-Communist... er... Liberal.
to be honest.... it sounds suspiciously like you've drank the coolaid... and actually believe every single thing he says he will do.... that's called pandering... you know... midnight promises to seal the deal.... that doesn't mean shit once the deal is done... the current commander in chief is proof of that fact...
and sorry.... but same sex marriage and abortion have nothing to do with me... so that's not a campaign issue to me... and those 2 issues... religious issues mind you... should have absolutely no bearing on the direction of the country
Actually, the one thing that he SAYS that he will do is something that is in his power to accomplish - issuing ObamaCare waivers. Notice that most everything else are his positions that are subject to legislative approval. Will he accomplish all or most of them? Of course not - such are the limitations of our system.
Ultimately, I get the impression that you've decided not to vote and somehow want this decision validated. That's fine - don't vote. I'm just glad that you are not voting for Obama based on your previous statements in this thread and the one on disability: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=108817
I will also be voting for Gary Johnson, but it will be purely symbolic as I live in Utah which will go big for Romney.
montanadave
08-10-12, 08:21
I'm still waiting for either of the two major candidates to stop flinging shit at the other guy and present a realistic approach to dealing with this country's long-term fiscal issues. And by realistic, I mean a plan which can not only be vetted by credible and objective economists and the CBO, but actually have a prayer of passing through such a divided Congress.
I've said it before and here's the same song, second verse. I think either candidate could walk away with this election if the embraced Bowles-Simpson (or a reasonable facsimile), skipped the soundbites and made an honest case to the American people, and told their ideologically-hidebound base to "suck up, shut up, and grow up ... it's time to take our medicine."
But I'm not holding my breath.
In all likelihood, Obama wins reelection, Republicans hold the House, make gains in the Senate, and we get four years of total gridlock as we inch closer to the cliff.
Anybody know what tune Nero was fiddlin' as he watched Rome burn? Cuz it's gonna be number one on the hit parade.
Rhetorical question. I don't see the Iliupersis (The Sack of Troy) capturing the fancy of the American masses without some major rewrites.
CarlosDJackal
08-10-12, 08:25
There is only one reason to place a vote this November:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QXA6Mau2Nbw/UB9yLXSH9NI/AAAAAAAASkg/gt5NIyYJPSo/s320/still%2Babout%2Bhope%2Band%2Bchange.jpg
ROFLMAO: Hope and Change Catroons (http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/)
Look at it this way...the best option, until a real option comes along, is to limit the office to first termers so that we don't get the full measure of their incompetence in a second term unfettered by moderate behavior based on hopes of re-election.
No matter how bad you think the alternative is, four more years of what we have now will likely be catastrophic.
To me, this is the most logical argument in favor of voting for Romney. Hold your nose like the rest of us and try not to gag when you pull the lever for the lesser of two scumbags. A second term (for any of them) is our worst enemy.
montanadave
08-10-12, 09:10
A second term (for any of them) is our worst enemy.
I don't follow that logic. If anything, recent history indicates that president's have been LEAST effectual during their second term. The opposition digs in and adopts a "wait 'em out" mentality (given, it's hard to see how the Republicans could dig in any more than they already are), a lot of time and energy is expended on one investigation or another related to first-term shenanigans, and policy tends to drift towards the middle.
It's when the new guy gets behind the wheel and jerks it out of the ditch, across the middle line, and into the opposite ditch that's giving us whiplash.
People complain Romney doesn't have charisma and can't get excited about him. Obama has charisma :rolleyes:
Hopefully a strong VP pick will help sweeten the pot. Rubio is my pick. If it's Chris Christie I'll personally give them both the one finger salute...and then wear my gas mask to the voting booth.
People complain Romney is for socialized medicine and gun control because he signed it in Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states in the union. Anyone remember Regan signing pro-abortion legislation in California? Up against strong Democrat opposition, Massachusetts often has had no choice but to run a moderate Republican which supports the argument of driving us 30mph toward the cliff instead of 100mph. How would that whole "standing on principal" idea have worked out for you Massachusetts?
Because of this, Romney is seen as a flip flopper. He isn't the first and he won't be the last. It's political jockeying and strategy. Even if he only lives up to 50% of his promises we are still better off than 4 more years of BHO issuing executive orders out the wazoo because he can't get anything done LEGALLY.
I don't follow that logic. If anything, recent history indicates that president's have been LEAST effectual during their second term. The opposition digs in and adopts a "wait 'em out" mentality (given, it's hard to see how the Republicans could dig in any more than they already are), a lot of time and energy is expended on one investigation or another related to first-term shenanigans, and policy tends to drift towards the middle.
It's when the new guy gets behind the wheel and jerks it out of the ditch, across the middle line, and into the opposite ditch that's giving us whiplash.
Romney isn't going full Conservative any time soon (if that's what you mean by jerking us into the opposite ditch). That's just paranoid thinking. Assuming the House stays Republican or picks up a few seats and the Senate picks up a few Republican seats...best case Republicans win a slight majority in the Senate...Romney isn't going to bend over backwards to sign knee jerk hard core conservative legislation (anti-abortion, anti-gay) because it would be political suicide to slide that far that fast. Look at BHO. Even though we all know he wants to be a rabid socialist at heart, he knows doing so would sound the death knell of his second term.
Worst case, Romney gets the more moderate 50% of Republican legislation passed, hopefully mostly fiscal policies and stays out of our personal lives and we avoid the iceberg BHO has us headed for.
Doc Safari
08-10-12, 09:54
In all likelihood, Obama wins reelection, Republicans hold the House, make gains in the Senate, and we get four years of total gridlock as we inch closer to the cliff.
A realistic assessment IMHO, except you forgot that Barry will rule by fiat since he doesn't have to worry about running in another election.
We will get the UN arms treaty even if they have to "deem" it to have passed. :(
Anybody know what tune Nero was fiddlin' as he watched Rome burn? Cuz it's gonna be number one on the hit parade.
Barry has demonstrated that he wants to spend, spend, spend even while the ship is about to run aground. It's like he's buying stuff in the Titanic's gift shop while the people on the bridge are seeing something that looks like an iceberg off in the distance.
Hyperinflation, Greek-style riots, bankrupt cities and counties, double-digit unemployment as the recession turns into a depression that even the media can't sugarcoat: this is our future.
I plan to vote even if I have to be wheeled there in an iron lung.
Here is what I posted in another thread on this subject.
C4
While I know everyone likes to feel that they have a clear conscience when they vote, but you have to not be so naive about things. Realize that you might be taking votes away from the lesser of two evils.
Am I thrilled about Romney? Of course not. Do I despise just about everything that our current President says and does? Of course I do.
At this point I would take ANY ONE OF YOU (yes even you atheists) instead of Obama. I may think that some of you are complete morons, have no experience with running anything, will treat Christians with disrespect and will most likely screw every intern you can get your hands on. At the end of the day though, I know that you love your Country and are PRO gun. Two things I cannot say are true about our current President.
Point to the above is that you have to look for just ONE thing that is positive (or that you like) in a candidate and roll with that. For me, Romney is PRO business. He also knows how to make money and will help small business prosper. That one lone fact makes him a much better choice than Obama or writing in some third party name that will NEVER WIN.
Note; I fully get that people are sick of the two party system (as am I). I fully get that people want some REAL change. At some point though, you have to be realistic about what you are doing and the greater good. Push hard for your guy and then once they lose, support the candidate that is most likely going to BEAT the worst President in our history!
Here is what I posted in another thread on this subject.
C4
Good job. I agree 100%.
diving dave
08-10-12, 10:44
I will vote for Romney for the same reason I voted for Mcain..Neither one thrill me, but this country won't survive 4 more years of Obama. We are headed towards an economic meltdown.
Heavy Metal
08-10-12, 11:37
Am I the only person that really sees no reason to even vote this year....
They are both bad news and will FUBAR this country, there is no reason to write-in, because lets be completely honest that's the exact same as just not voting, either way... Romney and Obama don't get a vote...
If you truly do not want either man running the country, then why is it your civic duty to still get out and vote...
people say you can't bitch if you didn't vote.... well actually that's b/s.... if you didn't vote, that means you didn't think any choice presented was worth a shit and therefore abstained from willfully making the country worse... so therefore... you can say... I told you so...
this is not just in regards to the presidential election... this is in regards to any election, for any office, anywhere... you show me one person worth voting for... and I'll show you a liar...
this recent pandering and the continuous god damn ads on tv have just got me pissed off now....
I can't be the only one that feels this way....
People not voting will get us speaker Nancy Pelosi and more gun control.
Reagans Rascals
08-10-12, 11:44
Someone present me with a very clear and concise candidate choice, besides Romney or the Fuhrer Obama and I'll gladly research the shit out of them and give an open and honest concerted effort towards casting my ballot for them
I'm open to any and all suggestions
I've never heard of Gary Johnson but I'll definitely look him up
Someone present me with a very clear and concise candidate choice, besides Romney or the Fuhrer Obama and I'll gladly research the shit out of them and give an open and honest concerted effort towards casting my ballot for them
I'm open to any and all suggestions
I've never heard of Gary Johnson but I'll definitely look him up
Did you not read what I wrote??? Voting for someone that has ZERO chance of winning is retarded.
If you WANTED to see your obscure candidate have a chance, you needed to working for their campaign 12-24 months ago. On top of that, you needed to be holding fundraisers, donating YOUR hard earned money to them and going house to house promoting them. So if you are just starting NOW, that ship has sailed!
You are never going to find a presidential candidate that is perfect. So you have to look for one key or core value that is important to you over the other one and vote for them.
C4
30 cal slut
08-10-12, 12:07
http://gremlin.net/images/wasted/cthulhu2012.jpg
http://i1.cpcache.com/product/376569708/galt_rearden_2012_blue_rectangle_decal.jpg?color=White&height=460&width=460
Did you not read what I wrote??? Voting for someone that has ZERO chance of winning is retarded.
If you WANTED to see your obscure candidate have a chance, you needed to working for their campaign 12-24 months ago. On top of that, you needed to be holding fundraisers, donating YOUR hard earned money to them and going house to house promoting them. So if you are just starting NOW, that ship has sailed!
You are never going to find a presidential candidate that is perfect. So you have to look for one key or core value that is important to you over the other one and vote for them.
C4
I've stopped trying to convince people to vote GOP in the POTUS race several months ago. People who are undecided, disaffected, or otherwise confused about the choices at this stage of the game are not operating on all cylinders. NOTE: I do not feel so apathetic toward those voting Libertarian or Constitutional Party - I disagree with your logic, but I respect your principles.
Instead, I'm trying to bring my friends up to speed on our district House race and all of the other local candidates for office. I'm amazed at how many people don't know their House rep, county rep, etc. In the end, these local elections often have more influence on our daily lives.
Raven Armament
08-10-12, 13:17
I'm still waiting for either of the two major candidates to stop flinging shit at the other guy and present a realistic approach to dealing with this country's long-term fiscal issues.
This.
It's either the moron or the mormon and unfortunately I have to cast a vote to block the reelection of the moron.
I've stopped trying to convince people to vote GOP in the POTUS race several months ago. People who are undecided, disaffected, or otherwise confused about the choices at this stage of the game are not operating on all cylinders. NOTE: I do not feel so apathetic toward those voting Libertarian or Constitutional Party - I disagree with your logic, but I respect your principles.
Instead, I'm trying to bring my friends up to speed on our district House race and all of the other local candidates for office. I'm amazed at how many people don't know their House rep, county rep, etc. In the end, these local elections often have more influence on our daily lives.
Ya, I know. :(
C4
An Undocumented Worker
08-10-12, 21:35
At this point I only look at the vote as a right to bitch about the next commander in chief. Basically if you didn't care enough to vote, then you have no grounds to bitch about who is in office.
But yeah, both choices suck rightnow.:(
It's ****ing stupid not to vote. It's always the lesser of two evils. You will never find someone who agrees with you, or your principles, 100%.
Idiots let the search for perfect, stand in the way of good.
When are the next justices going to retire, or die? I would rather get a 50/50 (RINO in office) minimum shot at a good appointment, than 100% no chance of one, or two (Obama in office).
I would rather have a veto in office, if for some weird reason the House turns over to the Dems and they hold the Senate, or they try to pass some bipartisan BS bill that a RINO might kick to the curb to payback the NRA, or some other conservative interest.
National party elections are not the time to be protesting the system. You start now, trying to get your candidate on the ticket, and vote for him in four years from now.
montanadave
08-10-12, 22:13
Basically if you didn't care enough to vote, then you have no grounds to bitch about who is in office.
George Carlin would disagree. :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeMGqTwWA6U
I don't know if I'm quite as cynical as George but I'm gettin' damn close.
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