TM on How to Control Domestic Insurrection

[platoonDaddy]

As a retired analyst, I don't believe in coincidences. Just putting together pieces of the puzzle. One has to ask themselves, why now?

Last month the news about 3 battalions of Marine MP's. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/07/23/marine-corps-creates-law-enforcement-battalions.html?ESRC=eb.nl

Few weeks ago, Army Col on tea party insurgency

Now US Army Tactical Manuals Describe How to Control Domestic Insurrection

Susanne Posel
Infowars.com
August 10, 2012

In 2010, the US Army’s Operating Concept 2016-2028 was published and explains how armed forces in the US and overseas will behave in the future. Specific tactical operations, special “theater”, and organized forces are outlined along with the capabilities and priorities of the US armed divisions.

http://www.infowars.com/us-army-tactical-manuals-describe-how-to-control-domestic-insurrection/

[11B101ABN]

Inforwars, bro? Really?

Hardly the source I woudl turn to for legit infor on anything.

[platoonDaddy]

Inforwars, bro? Really?

Hardly the source I woudl turn to for legit infor on anything.

Don't believe you followed the link and read Tradoc Pam 525-3-1.

[ForTehNguyen]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/7/the-civil-war-of-2016/

[montanadave]

Given the current level of paranoia, imagine the hue and cry from the "infowars" contingent if the federal interstate highway system was proposed today.

[Moose-Knuckle]

As a retired analyst, I don't believe in coincidences. Just putting together pieces of the puzzle. One has to ask themselves, why now?

Because it's getting close to time for kick-off . . . http://websmileys.com/sm/sad/533.gif

Look at the recent tide of legislation coming from just this current administration (NDRP, NDAA, H.R. 347, numerous EO’s, et al.), hell I've lost count.

[VooDoo6Actual]

Thanks for the link Platoon Daddy.
Disgusted by the contents & mindset of the manual for those who actually read it rather than being condescending, belittling & judgmental.

[bp7178]

The Army has a manual for how to use pack animals. Why would it be a surprise there would be one for this?

There is a lot of instability in the world, and a few goverments being overthrown. I'm quite certian this wasn't a surprise to some. I would go a step farther and speculate there was some helping involved.

No doubt it (goverments being overthrown) has sparked conversations, which lit planning.

You can't assume that in situations like those taking place in the middle east, where outside goverments are supporting rebel forces, that it couldn't happen here...that no enemy goverment would support an attempt at overthrowing the US goverment.

It would be irresponsible on the part of our goverment not to have a plan, or to have not discussed a plan to ensure the survival of our country.

[a0cake]

The Army has a manual for how to use pack animals.

True story. Ours had a cigarette problem:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/pack4.jpg



Someone up above said they don't believe in coincidence. That's a good way of thinking to be a successful analyst, insofar as it forces you to continuously look for obscure connections. It's a good tool when counterbalanced by other checks, but failing to recognize the existence of coincidence at all can often lead to faulty conclusions. Coincidence is very real and should not be under-credited:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98OTsYfTt-c

[Todd.K]

Someone up above said they don't believe in coincidence. That's a good way of thinking to be a successful analyst, insofar as it forces you to continuously look for obscure connections.
How about the obvious connections? We have been at war for the last decade, actually two different wars that were both far from traditional maneuver warfare except the first month or two of OIF. What we learned at war is now going into the manuals, no coincidence there to me.


The thread title is also a bit misleading, to me. One page on "civil support" does not make the manual about controlling domestic insurrection, and especially when that section has no mention of controlling insurrection as a mission.


"c. Civil support. The primary tasks of civil support operations are support in response to domestic disasters, CBRNE consequence management, support to civilian law enforcement agencies, counter WMD operations, and to counter narcotics trafficking activities. Civil support differs from homeland defense operations primarily in the fact that DOD is supporting another government agency. The Army must be prepared to respond to catastrophic incidents as directed, to include providing responsive and flexible consequence management response forces, capabilities for domain awareness, and enhanced domestic capabilities to counter CBRNE and IED threats.

d. Military and civilian agencies require common understanding of the policies and procedures, the legal aspects which limit actions, and the roles of the respective partners. Interoperability of equipment, policy, and regulatory compatibility and common training in planning processes are all important factors in achieving unity of effort. Some of these issues can be identified and addressed through exercises and exchanges to develop understanding of capabilities and limitations. Leader development must include education on the roles of the military and other government agencies in homeland defense and civil support.

e. The Army faces several challenges when conducting homeland defense and civil support operations.
(1) Unity of command is potentially problematic due to split authorities, particularly when conducting simultaneous homeland defense and civil support missions. DOD is the lead agency for homeland defense, and a supporting agency for civil support.
(2) Army forces conducting homeland defense and civil support missions require extensive integration and must coordinate closely with multiple local civil and law enforcement authorities.
(3) When operating on U.S. soil, leaders and Soldiers must understand the legal authorities and caveats related to military operations such as those pertaining to collecting and maintaining information on and detaining U.S. citizens."

[a0cake]

How about the obvious connections?

Yeah, I don't disagree with you at all. Obvious connections, like the ones you mentioned - are, well, obvious.

My comment was meant to highlight the distinction between choosing to deliberately ignore the possibility of coincidence as a method for uncovering non-obvious truth, and truly believing that coincidence does not exist.

In this case, we need not invoke coincidence nor obscure connections, because a manual of this type follows logically from the wartime conditions of the last decade, as you mentioned.

[Iraqgunz]

I am pretty sure that this nonsense was discussed before. Now I am off to Pick-n'Save to get more tinfoil.

[ralph]

I am pretty sure that this nonsense was discussed before. Now I am off to Pick-n'Save to get more tinfoil.

Get the heavy duty stuff..It dosen't tear nearly as easily...:D

[SMETNA]

True story. Ours had a cigarette problem:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/pack4.jpg

Thanks for the LoL


Because it's getting close to time for kick-off . .

My sentiment as well. The admin knows something we don't.

Ever wonder what 1933 Germany could have been like if they had the Internet?

2012 America.

[Doc Safari]

Dang I's hopin' we'd fight da UN since blue helmets stand out against almos' any background.

[CarlosDJackal]

Does someone actually have or read the actual TM? I'd like to see it for myself before I pass any judgement on this.

[Todd.K]

It's so damning the Army hides it away... right on their website.

http://www.tradoc.army.mil/tpubs/pams/tp525-3-1.pdf

[CarlosDJackal]

It's so damning the Army hides it away... right on their website.

http://www.tradoc.army.mil/tpubs/pams/tp525-3-1.pdf

LOL. Thanks. I didn't see anything new in that document though. The reality is any procedures that the military has implemented for use in foreign operations can easily be adapted for domestic operations.

I'm not too worried about this (for now).