View Full Version : Paul Ryan For VP. Now It's Time To Get Down To Business
I hope God still Bless's America, because we need this one. Ryan's speech gives me faith, however. He is real, well spoken and strong. An excellent choice that will energize the campaign.
If this should be in Chad's thread, my apologies. Thought it was worthwhile to note seperately, didn't know they were already discussing.
VooDoo6Actual
08-11-12, 20:34
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Moose-Knuckle
08-11-12, 20:43
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Hah! :D
Reminds me of the Obama vs. Putin collages.
That's possibly the first cool thing I've seen from any of the candidates this election season.
VooDoo6Actual
08-11-12, 20:54
Hah! :D
Reminds me of the Obama vs. Putin collages.
NRA gives him an "A" rating as well.
Moose-Knuckle
08-11-12, 20:58
NRA gives him an "A" rating as well.
This is getting better and better . . . *fingers crossed*.
VooDoo6Actual
08-11-12, 21:00
- Voted YES on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
- Voted YES on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
- Voted YES on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
- Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)
- National cross-state standard for concealed carry. (Jan 2009)
- Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC. (Mar 2007)
- Allow reloading spent military small arms ammunition. (Apr 2009)
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Then there's all the other stuff he voted for that people are not going to like. That will come out as well. The pendulum swings again.
Great choice but I was still hoping it would be a minority to siphon some votes from the clueless.
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This is what he needs to spend the week doing with his children while someone qualified actually leads the country.
Belmont31R
08-12-12, 21:29
I like Ryan, and think he would do well to influence Romney if Romney will actually listen instead of it being a "check the block" type partnership.
Of course the left is going all in all on this election, and as usual they control the message. The GOP are limp dicks when it comes to message, and they allow twats like Debbie Schultz to get out there and already set the tone. Wheres the republican leadership?
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I was very tempted to do some photoshop editing and switch a couple of the heads around those pictures. After thinking about it for a couple of seconds I realized that the Secret Service would be knocking on my door within 5 minutes of that edited picture hitting cyberspace. :nono:
Great choice but I was still hoping it would be a minority to siphon some votes from the clueless.
Yeah, this. If we're honest, 99% of pro-gun people aren't going to vote for Obama regardless, so Ryan isn't likely to bring a whole new segment of voters from the Left to the Right, the way a Rubio or Rice would have.
Belmont31R
08-12-12, 23:04
Yeah, this. If we're honest, 99% of pro-gun people aren't going to vote for Obama regardless, so Ryan isn't likely to bring a whole new segment of voters from the Left to the Right, the way a Rubio or Rice would have.
For me Ryan is a HUGE pick. I still don't trust Romney but Romney is already a "moderate anti gun prick". Him choosing a moderate running mate would have cemented him in as being a RINO, and would have lost base support.
The only reason Ryan would be a poor VP choice is because the populace wants their free shit, and doesn't want to be told the truth or because the DNC is able to control the message while the RNC sits on their ass as usual. The DNC is already framing Ryan as an extremist even though Obama was the most liberal senator when he was nominated. LOL the RNC can't even figure out how to get out of a paper bag let alone match the DNC when it comes to propaganda.
I wonder how much a VP really influences the president's decisions. I mean look at batcrazy Biden. Clearly he's there to take flack away from the president. They cart him out once in a while to say something stupid to draw heat away from whatever the president has screwed up most recently. Does he influence any actual policy decisions? Unlikely.
Why would Romney be more inclined to heed Ryan?
I wonder how much a VP really influences the president's decisions. I mean look at batcrazy Biden. Clearly he's there to take flack away from the president. They cart him out once in a while to say something stupid to draw heat away from whatever the president has screwed up most recently. Does he influence any actual policy decisions? Unlikely.
Why would Romney be more inclined to heed Ryan?
Did Bush listen to Cheney? (honest question as I don't know)
I think it is kind of for each President to figure out.
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Meh, Paul Ryan is OK. There are certainly worse Reps!
I like some things others have mentioned so far. But I don't like:
• His support for the TARP Bailouts
• His support for the 2009 Stimulus
• His support for making the Patriot Act permanent.
• I dont think his budget goes far enough, fast enough. Any talk of cutting the debt is good, but his plan adds several trillion $ more over the rest of this decade.
Reverse! Full Power!! Full RIght Rudder!!
Did Bush listen to Cheney? (honest question as I don't know)
I think it is kind of for each President to figure out.
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Cheney was probably the most influential Vice President ever.
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Meh, Paul Ryan is OK. There are certainly worse Reps!
I like some things others have mentioned so far. But I don't like:
• His support for the TARP Bailouts
• His support for the 2009 Stimulus
• His support for making the Patriot Act permanent.
• I dont think his budget goes far enough, fast enough. Any talk of cutting the debt is good, but his plan adds several trillion $ more over the rest of this decade.
Reverse! Full Power!! Full RIght Rudder!!
That is the only one that gives me pause.
As for his budget, he wrote enough cuts so that it reduced the size the govt and was able to actually make it out of the House. I would also prefer a more aggressive stance, but I frame my expectations around the fact that my party is the minority in Washington (for now).
One thing I like to do to dems that I know that start throwing terms like million, billion, trillion around, Is to express these terms in the form of time to get a better concept of how large these sums actually are..it's stunning..
1 million seconds=12days
1billion seconds= nearly 32 yrs
1trillion seconds=31,688yrs
So, when Obombo says HIS economic plan will reduce the defict by 4billion, The reality is, it's nothing...
CarlosDJackal
08-13-12, 10:56
...I like some things others have mentioned so far. But I don't like:
• His support for the TARP Bailouts
• His support for the 2009 Stimulus
• His support for making the Patriot Act permanent.
• I dont think his budget goes far enough, fast enough. Any talk of cutting the debt is good, but his plan adds several trillion $ more over the rest of this decade...
These do worry me. However, based on what he's said and the fact that the budgets he has recommended it seems to me that he has voted and pushed for things that are based on reality and what he thinks is actually attainable.
IMHO, he seems to have voted on items based on a pragmatic view of things. As long as he doesn't make excuses nor does he try to lie his way out of his record; I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I can't wait until they actually do a Vice Presidential Debate.
These do worry me. However, based on what he's said and the fact that the budgets he has recommended it seems to me that he has voted and pushed for things that are based on reality and what he thinks is actually attainable.
IMHO, he seems to have voted on items based on a pragmatic view of things. As long as he doesn't make excuses nor does he try to lie his way out of his record; I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I can't wait until they actually do a Vice Presidential Debate.
While I fully intend to vote for Romney / Ryan, the 2009 Stimulus vote is a little perplexing. All of the others (Medicare D, TARP, etc.) had at least some logical basis AT THE TIME THEY WERE BEING CONSIDERED. Many of us disagreed with this logic and these programs, but at least there was an argument to be made for these programs. Granted, mismanagement and the natural tendency of bureaucracies to take on new life has caused these programs to grow beyond any of our wildest nightmares.
However, the Stimulus is different in that it had no real foundation in logic and can only be rationalized as a compromise vote. That is to say, we've seen governments try the stimulus route and it has never worked as intended. It is not a deal breaker for me, but I think that it may cause some problems for Ryan with the media.
Finally, Ryan is not an appeal to the base like so many talking heads are saying. It is an appeal to young independent voters (18-30) who tend to be attracted to young, articulate, attractive candidates while not offending the GOP base (contrast this with Palin who mobilized the base but did nothing for independent voters once the media was done with her). These are the people who voted for Obama in 2008 but failed to turn out in 2010. Romney only needs to peal about 10-15% of this demographic away from Obama to cause some real problems in states like WI, NC, VA, OH, FL. Ryan is the man to do this given his tract record of keeping his House seat with comfortable margins in a district that voted Kerry in 2004 and Obama in 2008. In other words, there were a significant number of voters in 2008 who voted for Obama and Ryan, and these are the people who could be convinced to switch to the GOP in 2012.
ForTehNguyen
08-13-12, 18:53
dont forget NDAA. He will still wipe the floor with Biden, but thats not saying much
Ultimately Ryan was a good pick for a mainstream RINO candidate. Real conservatives and tea parties aren't going to be swayed, but the "I like him because he looks good" idiots will eat him up
The Ryan Way - Article - National Review Online
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/313555/ryan-way-robert-costa?page=1
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theblackknight
08-14-12, 20:00
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Is the GOP trying to out blue-state the blue staters?
I thought Ryan was for cutting medicare/medicaid? If so, is Florida going to be a loss?
Belmont31R
08-14-12, 21:28
I thought Ryan was for cutting medicare/medicaid? If so, is Florida going to be a loss?
His plan was more or less giving people on these programs vouchers to go out and buy insurance with. Its removing the government reimbursement program, and just giving the people money to go buy their own insurance. The program would stay the same for those 55 or older as it is now.
Belmont31R
08-14-12, 21:33
The thing that helps Romney the most with picking Ryan is that Ryan can articulate an easily understood response.
If you look at most Republicans records they suck. The leadership controls how people vote, and if the left thinks Ryan is "extreme right" they have no clue.
R vs D is basically picking your poison...anyways.
theblackknight
08-14-12, 22:35
You've got more choices then that, but most people have been tricked into the -don't throw your vote away- mindset. Keep voting for big ticket candidates and you'll keep getting big government problems.
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Romney adding Ryan to the ticket to make it better
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adding Oatmeal to a bowl of Oatmeal to make it better
montanadave
08-15-12, 08:52
Romney adding Ryan to the ticket to make it better
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adding Oatmeal to a bowl of Oatmeal to make it better
Kinda rough on the oatmeal, don't ya think? :laugh:
CarlosDJackal
08-15-12, 09:12
You've got more choices then that, but most people have been tricked into the -don't throw your vote away- mindset. Keep voting for big ticket candidates and you'll keep getting big government problems....
First, it's not a "mindset". It's statistics and nothing more. Mindset does nothing to alter the fact that votes taken away from one candidate helps the other candidate no matter how you slice it.
It is unfortunate that the current choices are Romney or obama because in the end one of those two are going to win this November no matter how many write-in candidates people campaign for.
Second, not matter how much you or anyone else wants someone like Ron Paul to win is nothing more than fantasy. Ron Paul does not have the numbers to even make him a viable candidate for the Republican Party much less as the POTUS.
No matter how much you hold your breath or click your Ruby Slippers together, it ain't going to happen. The same can be said of any other candidate. This is determined by numbers and is the unfortunate reality. If there was a viable third candidate that leans more towards the right than Romney; I'd be campaigning for him or her right there with you.
No matter how many RP supporters denies it; if they do not vote for Romney, they are voting for obama. This is fact that will be borne out by the numbers and not emotion like the dumboKrats and the RP supporters like to rely on.
I hope that someday there will be a viable third party so that we can start forcing these two "main parties" to stop messing around and force them to move back towards their roots.
But until then, I will vote not necessarily for Romney, but against obama. JM2CW.
theblackknight
08-15-12, 11:39
First, it's not a "mindset". It's statistics and nothing more. Mindset does nothing to alter the fact that votes taken away from one candidate helps the other candidate no matter how you slice it.
It is unfortunate that the current choices are Romney or obama because in the end one of those two are going to win this November no matter how many write-in candidates people campaign for.
Second, not matter how much you or anyone else wants someone like Ron Paul to win is nothing more than fantasy. Ron Paul does not have the numbers to even make him a viable candidate for the Republican Party much less as the POTUS.
No matter how much you hold your breath or click your Ruby Slippers together, it ain't going to happen. The same can be said of any other candidate. This is determined by numbers and is the unfortunate reality. If there was a viable third candidate that leans more towards the right than Romney; I'd be campaigning for him or her right there with you.
No matter how many RP supporters denies it; if they do not vote for Romney, they are voting for obama. This is fact that will be borne out by the numbers and not emotion like the dumboKrats and the RP supporters like to rely on.
I hope that someday there will be a viable third party so that we can start forcing these two "main parties" to stop messing around and force them to move back towards their roots.
But until then, I will vote not necessarily for Romney, but against obama. JM2CW.
Ron paul is a repub wrapped in a green flag. I'm not swinging by his nuts by any stretch.
Congrats btw, bc you do have that mindset. Statistics change when people change.
Too afriad to stick out your neck so that any 3rd party can stick a foot in. Look at the last hundred year vote splits, they were splt 3 or 4 ways. With more media coverage, those splits,and number of candidates running, has went away, leaving us with a even more broken,inbred political biopoly. Your votes are out of fear instead of in confidence. Sorry to sound like a infowars tard, but the media is playing us like a strativari.
I hear mickey mouse gets a certain number of votes too.
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Ron paul is a repub wrapped in a green flag. I'm not swinging by his nuts by any stretch.
Congrats btw, bc you do have that mindset. Statistics change when people change.
Too afriad to stick out your neck so that any 3rd party can stick a foot in. Look at the last hundred year vote splits, they were splt 3 or 4 ways. With more media coverage, those splits,and number of candidates running, has went away, leaving us with a even more broken,inbred political biopoly. Your votes are out of fear instead of in confidence. Sorry to sound like a infowars tard, but the media is playing us like a strativari.
It is a structural issue. No amount of media or popularity or lack thereof or courage to vote third party will change that (I have voted 3P many times -- mostly LP, which is the best funded and most organized 3P out there, and to whom I have given money in the past).
It is a fact of the system being a "winner takes all" system that makes it such that no 3P has a chance at all, ever, of winning. The most we can hope for is that one of the two parties is replaced as the other major party, and that is also extremely unlikely to happen. You have a much better chance at reforming one of the parties from inside. Kind of like the "Tea Party" is trying to do.
Or you get rid of the Constitution and change the structure to some sort of parliamentary system.
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It is a structural issue. No amount of media or popularity or lack thereof or courage to vote third party will change that (I have voted 3P many times -- mostly LP, which is the best funded and most organized 3P out there, and to whom I have given money in the past).
It is a fact of the system being a "winner takes all" system that makes it such that no 3P has a chance at all, ever, of winning. The most we can hope for is that one of the two parties is replaced as the other major party, and that is also extremely unlikely to happen. You have a much better chance at reforming one of the parties from inside. Kind of like the "Tea Party" is trying to do.
Or you get rid of the Constitution and change the structure to some sort of parliamentary system.
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My personal belief is that a strong majority of Americans identify more with one of the major parties than any of the other 3rd parties out there. That is why you are not going to see a 3rd party any time soon. People like to think that there is some growing support for a 3rd party because people are reluctant to call themselves Republican or Democrat in surveys. However, it is rare to see people fall outside of the major party platforms when questioned on individual issues. Good luck finding a significant number of people who want to scrap Medicare, legalize drugs and all firearms, eliminate all welfare, etc.
Remember, about 40% of the nation is now hard core progressive or even socialist - they want a nanny state. Any fragmentation of the remaining 60% pretty much insures that the progressives have won.
My personal belief is that a strong majority of Americans identify more with one of the major parties than any of the other 3rd parties out there. That is why you are not going to see a 3rd party any time soon.
Which is basically another way of saying it is structural. Due to the "winner takes all" structure of the system, the losers all band together to try and become the winner next time. That is this "identifying" that you are talking about.
People like to think that there is some growing support for a 3rd party because people are reluctant to call themselves Republican or Democrat in surveys. However, it is rare to see people fall outside of the major party platforms when questioned on individual issues. Good luck finding a significant number of people who want to scrap Medicare, legalize drugs and all firearms, eliminate all welfare, etc.
Remember, about 40% of the nation is now hard core progressive or even socialist - they want a nanny state. Any fragmentation of the remaining 60% pretty much insures that the progressives have won.
theblackknight
08-15-12, 17:02
Remember, about 40% of the nation is now hard core progressive or even socialist - they want a nanny state. Any fragmentation of the remaining 60% pretty much insures that the progressives have won.
Id love to see where you got 40%.
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Id love to see where you got 40%.
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Well, let's see - Obama's approval rating sits at about 40%. Then, there is the latest stats that have over 100 Million dipshi...er...I mean people on some forM of federal welfare. That's almost about 30% of the country on welfare excluding social security and Medicare. With 30% benefiting from his progressive policies, it's not hard to imagine at least another 10% of affluent Americans agree with Obama's agenda.
Do you have another number?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/iowa-deli-co-owner-caters-for-obama-visit-but-his-t-shirt-tells-another-story/2012/08/15/abde5208-e71e-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_story.html
montanadave
08-15-12, 21:13
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/iowa-deli-co-owner-caters-for-obama-visit-but-his-t-shirt-tells-another-story/2012/08/15/abde5208-e71e-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_story.html
Quote from the guy in the story: "My partner and I have different views on politics, but business is business."
How do we get this guy and his partner to DC so they can show Congress how real people function in a real world?
Obama will lose the election and we will be rid of he and his ilk in January, absolutely 100% guaranteed. The voices of Gibbs, Axelrod, Carney and the ultra repulsive Wasserman-Shultz are soon to be restricted to has-been speaking engagements.
As far as Joe "They're gonna put y'all back in chains" dipshit Biden, he will be sent to a retirement home where he belongs.
Obama will lose the election and we will be rid of he and his ilk in January, absolutely 100% guaranteed. The voices of Gibbs, Axelrod, Carney and the ultra repulsive Wasserman-Shultz are soon to be restricted to has-been speaking engagements.
As far as Joe "They're gonna put y'all back in chains" dipshit Biden, he will be sent to a retirement home where he belongs.
Cool story bro. Tell it again.
My prediction is the opposite of what you just laid out. And I will be voting for Romney, but I don't think it'll make a difference
Cool story bro. Tell it again.
My prediction is the opposite of what you just laid out. And I will be voting for Romney, but I don't think it'll make a difference
I happen to agree with SafetyHit
There is a reason why Obama is behaving the way he is. He is scared.
Despite the fake polls showing he is ahead (they are dramatically over polling democrats trying to create public sentiment instead of measuring and reporting it), Obama is DOWN amongst all the constituencies that voted for him. Blacks? Down some percent. Even if it is only 95% to 90%, that is a loss. Jews? Same thing. Women? Same thing. That all adds up to lack of real support.
Barring the ability to jigger the election on a massive scale, he will come up wanting. The MSM doesn't want you to take heart and believe that so are doing all they can to make it appear like everyone likes him and is ahead.
The pollster with the best track record, as I understand it, is Rasmussen
He shows Romney ahead
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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I hope you guys are right. I just get a bad feeling about it in my bones
I hope you guys are right. I just get a bad feeling about it in my bones
That feeling is not necessarily a bad thing, but channel it into something constructive. Donate your time and money to political causes that you support. Help to make sure that we elect the most conservative Congress possible. Romney showed a willingness to compromise with a liberal legislature in Mass. Make sure that he is not tempted to do the same as POTUS.
I happen to agree with SafetyHit
There is a reason why Obama is behaving the way he is. He is scared.
Despite the fake polls showing he is ahead (they are dramatically over polling democrats trying to create public sentiment instead of measuring and reporting it), Obama is DOWN amongst all the constituencies that voted for him. Blacks? Down some percent. Even if it is only 95% to 90%, that is a loss. Jews? Same thing. Women? Same thing. That all adds up to lack of real support.
Barring the ability to jigger the election on a massive scale, he will come up wanting. The MSM doesn't want you to take heart and believe that so are doing all they can to make it appear like everyone likes him and is ahead.
The pollster with the best track record, as I understand it, is Rasmussen
He shows Romney ahead
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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I agree as well - Rasmussen is the best polling firm out there. They sample likely voters instead of registered voters, and they do not overly rely on cell phone polling. This gives them the best sample to determine what will actually happen on election day. Lucky for us, Romney has been consistently ahead in this poll, and is neck-n-neck in Gallop (the next best polling firm).
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that Obama's supporters will use the MSM polls to cry foul if he goes down in a close the election. They briefly tried this in 2000 when Bush suddenly came from behind in the last 2 days by saying there must be some fraud to explain the sudden change.
CarlosDJackal
08-16-12, 08:38
Cool story bro. Tell it again.
My prediction is the opposite of what you just laid out. And I will be voting for Romney, but I don't think it'll make a difference
I agree with chadbag and Safetyhit. Barring something coming out against Romney that would sway a lot of votes away from him (this would have to be something huge like he's a mass murderer or something like that) it'll probably be a landslide.
I don't listen to polls because none of them are ever based on statistically relevant numbers. Just because 80% of the 10,000 individuals they polled answered one way; it doesn't mean diddly especially since the United States has over 300 million individuals. 8,000 is only .002667% of the US population. And that is assuming that those polled answered truthfully.
But if you were to compare the amount of campaign contributions each candidate has received, this seems to be a more relevant indicator. Four years ago obama out raised McCain even though the polls were calling for a dead heat. This year Romney is out raising obama by a lot even though the polls say something else. If this patterns holds true then the dumboKrats are up for an unpleasant surprise.
I am being very optimistic about all of this - it's all I can do at the moment.
sandman99and9
08-16-12, 09:13
I don't remember very well but I think Reagan was behind in the polls to Carter almost until the election. I was pretty young then. (12)
I don't think Obamas voters are as energized as they were 4 years ago. If they don't show up to the polls in huge numbers he is in trouble.
All the "Hope and change" has left the building. People are seeing through his bullshit and lies.
S.M.
I don't remember very well but I think Reagan was behind in the polls to Carter almost until the election. I was pretty young then. (12)
I don't think Obamas voters are as energized as they were 4 years ago. If they don't show up to the polls in huge numbers he is in trouble.
All the "Hope and change" has left the building. People are seeing through his bullshit and lies.
S.M.
Carter was beating Reagan by 8-10% throughout the Summer of 1980. It was not until their debate with, "There you go again" that Reagan started to close the gap. Reagan did not pull ahead in the polls until the final days before the election.
I'm expecting this election to play out in a similar fashion.
Carter was beating Reagan by 8-10% throughout the Summer of 1980. It was not until their debate with, "There you go again" that Reagan started to close the gap. Reagan did not pull ahead in the polls until the final days before the election.
I'm expecting this election to play out in a similar fashion.
I'm practically pissing myself in anticipation of the Ryan/Biden debate. I hope the dumb ass get's his foot shoved so far in his mouth he'll be tasting leather for a week.
Romney needs to look sharp and not be tricked into any gaffes.
Mauser KAR98K
08-16-12, 09:58
Carter was beating Reagan by 8-10% throughout the Summer of 1980. It was not until their debate with, "There you go again" that Reagan started to close the gap. Reagan did not pull ahead in the polls until the final days before the election.
I'm expecting this election to play out in a similar fashion.
I hope history will repeat itself and we get a huge Republican/conservative sweep this cycle. However, I am getting worried. Yesterday my local radio host brought up a point; Obama can still drop Bite-Me Biden from the ticket...and put in Hillary, who is popular. Would this swing things up? Would Obama announce this during the Republican convention and turn the media on to him rather than the key note speech at the Republican Convention?
I know intelligent voters would not vote for Obama after the failures he has done, but America has turned a lot of our culture to a popularity contest. Our goal at this point is to have more our people show up the polls than theirs. This happened in 2004 when disenfranchised conservative voters didn't show up, and the usual young people, minority vote that stayed home did.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/today-day_650058.html
I hope you guys are right. I just get a bad feeling about it in my bones
Me too. I have just seen too many "wrong" things happen in recent years.
Obama comes out of nowhere and suddenly he's President. Every word that comes out his or Biden's mouths is simply mind boggling an yet they win. Clearly biased and some say incompetent judges appointed to SCOTUS. Seemingly competent and reasonable SCOTUS judges go off the hook.
It almost seems that whatever would be the most reasonable and logical situation is exactly opposite of what the outcome is.
I've reached the point that I will believe it when I see it. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that even if Romney wins, I won't believe it until he is actually sworn in.
... and by the way. Provided Obama does loose... what damage can he do out of spite between Nov and Jan? I would not put -anything- past him.
I hope history will repeat itself and we get a huge Republican/conservative sweep this cycle. However, I am getting worried. Yesterday my local radio host brought up a point; Obama can still drop Bite-Me Biden from the ticket...and put in Hillary, who is popular. Would this swing things up? Would Obama announce this during the Republican convention and turn the media on to him rather than the key note speech at the Republican Convention?
Barring to legitimate medical condition, it is too late in the game for Biden to exit the ticket without it seeming desperate. It would be like McCain's infamous campaign suspension as the economy was running off the cliff in 2008. The public wants to see a steady hand at the wheel and sudden changes send a message of chaos. I guess that he could do what some people do to get out of court - fake a seizure. However, I'm not sure that anyone would believe a heart attack or stroke at this point.
In addition, I not so sure that Hillary wants anything to do with this clown. There is a reason why we have seen a flight from Obama's economic staff over the past 2 years. The guy is toxic and Hillary knows that her chances in 2016 are better without him.
Americans continue to give President Barack Obama low marks on the economy: poll - Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/1.1137645
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Talk about desperate... now they're giving $100 million to states, possibly to try to shore up employment enough to keep it from falling until the election. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/labor-dept-attempts-stop-layoffs-giving-100-million-states-subsidize-payrolls
Belmont31R
08-17-12, 00:52
Talk about desperate... now they're giving $100 million to states, possibly to try to shore up employment enough to keep it from falling until the election. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/labor-dept-attempts-stop-layoffs-giving-100-million-states-subsidize-payrolls
Eh the government has spent that by the time I finish writing this....
Belmont31R
08-17-12, 01:13
Wonder what will come of this.... http://youtu.be/vtv6XUT-hno
CarlosDJackal
08-17-12, 11:30
...Yesterday my local radio host brought up a point; Obama can still drop Bite-Me Biden from the ticket...and put in Hillary, who is popular...
It'll never happen because biden is obama's primary insurance against any assassination attempts. Think about it!! :D
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