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http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/arab-spring-run-amok-brotherhood-starts-crucifixions/
Magic_Salad0892
08-18-12, 18:05
Oh my God...
Out with one, and in with one who might be worse...
Moose-Knuckle
08-18-12, 19:39
And these are the heros of the "Arab Spring" that our .gov has suported.
Cagemonkey
08-18-12, 20:00
Can't wait to see what comes out of Syria.
montanadave
08-18-12, 20:04
That's the bitch about free elections. Folks don't always elect who we want them too.
Hell, I bet dollars to doughnuts there are a few folks right here in the good ole U.S. of A. who aren't real thrilled every four years.
But electing religious extremists and zealots is generally a bad idea. A really bad idea.
**** 'em. Take the foreign aid we're pissing away on Egypt and repave a road or two here at home.
Kind of like we supported the Taliban back in the day. A shitty communist government is still better than no gov in most situations.
Magic_Salad0892
08-18-12, 20:10
Lesser of two evils, I guess.
We'll have to treat 'em like we did Saddam back in the day. But eventually they WILL become a threat to American interests.
Belmont31R
08-18-12, 21:47
Kind of like we supported the Taliban back in the day. A shitty communist government is still better than no gov in most situations.
We supported the mujahadin not the Taliban.
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We supported the mujahadin not the Taliban.
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Right I said it for dramatic effect as sometimes the lines are heavily blurred.
Belmont31R
08-18-12, 21:55
Right I said it for dramatic effect as sometimes the lines are heavily blurred.
The government the Taliban overthrew were communist.
The Northern Alliance is who we supported, and they were mujahadin by our definition. AQ assassinated the NA head the day before 9/11.
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Magic_Salad0892
08-18-12, 22:00
The government the Taliban overthrew were communist.
The Northern Alliance is who we supported, and they were mujahadin by our definition. AQ assassinated the NA head the day before 9/11.
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I did not know that....
Wow...
Belmont31R
08-18-12, 22:10
I did not know that....
Wow...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud
Thanks friend. I didn't know that as well. Don't know what you dont know. I've never had the opportunity to go. Just Iraq so I should stop spreading slander. ha. Carry on with your convo boys. My services aren't needed.
Belmont31R
08-18-12, 22:25
Thanks friend. I didn't know that as well. Don't know what you dont know. I've never had the opportunity to go. Just Iraq so I should stop spreading slander. ha. Carry on with your convo boys. My services aren't needed.
The assassination of Massoud is considered to have a strong connection to the September 11 attacks in 2001 on U.S. soil which killed nearly 3,000 people and which appeared to be the terrorist attack that Massoud had warned against in his speech to the European Parliament several months earlier.
I'm not saying he was saint by US standards of politics but was FAR better than the Taliban. Once the USSR fell, and Clinton got in office we basically abandoned all these fledgling movements around the globe including the shia in Iraq.
Massoud was bascially the the only guy stopping the Taliban from taking over all of Afghanistan, and its who we supported along with inbedding our SF guys with them to oust the Taliban.
Theres a really good book: http://www.amazon.com/Jawbreaker-Attack-Personal-Account-Commander/dp/0307237400 people should read. We basically dropped these guys in with a suit case of cash, and like any good Afghan they fought for us with our air support and wads of $100's.
Magic_Salad0892
08-18-12, 22:29
I'm not saying he was saint by US standards of politics but was FAR better than the Taliban. Once the USSR fell, and Clinton got in office we basically abandoned all these fledgling movements around the globe including the shia in Iraq.
Massoud was bascially the the only guy stopping the Taliban from taking over all of Afghanistan, and its who we supported along with inbedding our SF guys with them to oust the Taliban.
Theres a really good book: http://www.amazon.com/Jawbreaker-Attack-Personal-Account-Commander/dp/0307237400 people should read. We basically dropped these guys in with a suit case of cash, and like any good Afghan they fought for us with our air support and wads of $100's.
I just ordered it. Thanks, man.
Belmont31R
08-18-12, 22:42
I just ordered it. Thanks, man.
Cool. These were basically the first guys we dropped in within weeks of 9/11, and before any SF guys got there. Gives a lot of insight into our first reaction on the ground to 9/11.
And these are the heros of the "Arab Spring" that our .gov has suported.
“As far as I know, the White House invitation for Morsi in September still stands – nor have I heard the slightest hint of criticism from any top U.S. government leadership figure about Morsi’s coup. He knows he’s on solid ground with this administration,” Lopez said.
Hussein Obama, and his administration(his real administration, which includes Bill Ayers & his bitch Bernadine Dorn), are the engineers of the whole Arab spring thing. According to the FBI, at one time, Ayers, Dorn, and the rest of the "weather underground," envisioned exterminating 25,000,000 Americans.
It was from the living room of those two democidal intellectual heros of the DNC that Hussein Obama kicked off his political career....
SeriousStudent
08-18-12, 23:05
I just ordered it. Thanks, man.
After you read Jawbreaker, you may wish to read First In by Gary Schroen, and then The Only Thing Worth Dying For by Eric Blehm.
http://www.amazon.com/First-In-Insiders-Spearheaded-Afghanistan/dp/0345496612/ref=pd_sim_b_1
http://www.amazon.com/The-Only-Thing-Worth-Dying/dp/0061661228/ref=pd_sim_b_9
It's worth reading all three, to get different pieces of that first campaign.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
Magic_Salad0892
08-19-12, 00:23
After you read Jawbreaker, you may wish to read First In by Gary Schroen, and then The Only Thing Worth Dying For by Eric Blehm.
http://www.amazon.com/First-In-Insiders-Spearheaded-Afghanistan/dp/0345496612/ref=pd_sim_b_1
http://www.amazon.com/The-Only-Thing-Worth-Dying/dp/0061661228/ref=pd_sim_b_9
It's worth reading all three, to get different pieces of that first campaign.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
I own both of those already. They came in a week ago. I just haven't had time to start them. (It's also of note that they're on the "People who bought this book also bought..." list on Amazon.)
You might dig these two.
http://www.amazon.com/Graveyard-Empires-Americas-War-Afghanistan/dp/0393338517/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1345353652&sr=1-1&keywords=In+the+graveyard+of+empires
http://www.amazon.com/Assassins-Gate-America-Iraq/dp/0374530556/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1345353679&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Assassin%27s+Gate
They give a lot of good background about those two countries. And the Assassin's Gate gives a lot of good background about neo-cons, isolationists, and democrats reasons, and positions regarding an invasion of Iraq. You, and Belmont will dig both of those I think.
The Assassin's gate has kind of a liberal tone, but not in a bad way. The dude doesn't preach liberalism, socialism, or communism, or anything, and he seems to be one of the social liberals, fiscally conservative, liberatarian dudes.
And regarding soldier accounts I very much enjoyed:
http://www.amazon.com/Mission-Men-Me-Lessons-Commander/dp/0425236579/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1345354322&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Men+The+Mission+and+Me
http://www.amazon.com/Lions-Kandahar-Story-Fight-Against/dp/0553807579/ref=pd_sim_b_1
Magic_Salad0892
08-19-12, 00:25
Hussein Obama, and his administration(his real administration, which includes Bill Ayers & his bitch Bernadine Dorn), are the engineers of the whole Arab spring thing. According to the FBI, at one time, Ayers, Dorn, and the rest of the "weather underground," envisioned exterminating 25,000,000 Americans.
It was from the living room of those two democidal intellectual heros of the DNC that Hussein Obama kicked off his political career....
WHAT.
I'm not saying he was saint by US standards of politics but was FAR better than the Taliban. Once the USSR fell, and Clinton got in office we basically abandoned all these fledgling movements around the globe including the shia in Iraq.
Massoud was bascially the the only guy stopping the Taliban from taking over all of Afghanistan, and its who we supported along with inbedding our SF guys with them to oust the Taliban.
Theres a really good book: http://www.amazon.com/Jawbreaker-Attack-Personal-Account-Commander/dp/0307237400 people should read. We basically dropped these guys in with a suit case of cash, and like any good Afghan they fought for us with our air support and wads of $100's.
I read "Jawbreaker" along with "The only thing worth dying for" and "kill bin laden" all in the same string. Those men were some incedible dudes, its sad how quickly they get brushed to the side while morons lie Rick Maddow "discuss" policy. Have you read "Ghost Wars"?
lets not forget about Abdul Haq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Haq_%28Afghan_leader%29
Magic_Salad0892
08-19-12, 00:54
I read "Jawbreaker" along with "The only thing worth dying for" and "kill bin laden" all in the same string. Those men were some incedible dudes, its sad how quickly they get brushed to the side while morons lie Rick Maddow "discuss" policy. Have you read "Ghost Wars"?
lets not forget about Abdul Haq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Haq_%28Afghan_leader%29
I got Ghost Wars this last Christmas (Girlfriend's dad) but I loaned it to a friend of mine before I got the chance to read it, and his car got stolen along with my book.
I've been meaning to re-buy it. Thanks for reminding me. :)
I got Ghost Wars this last Christmas (Girlfriend's dad) but I loaned it to a friend of mine before I got the chance to read it, and his car got stolen along with my book.
I've been meaning to re-buy it. Thanks for reminding me. :)
I read it many years ago, actually on vacation to DC in 2004. I remember the section about the US Embassy in Pakistan being overrun in the same manner as Tehran. I believe the Embassy was in Karachi..after reading a few random articles about Chairman MaoBama and his(very questionable) trips to Pakistan in the early 80s, that part of the book immediately popped into my brain.
Magic_Salad0892
08-19-12, 01:14
I read it many years ago, actually on vacation to DC in 2004. I remember the section about the US Embassy in Pakistan being overrun in the same manner as Tehran. I believe the Embassy was in Karachi..after reading a few random articles about Chairman MaoBama and his(very questionable) trips to Pakistan in the early 80s, that part of the book immediately popped into my brain.
... I'm not aware of Obama's trips to Pakistan in the early 80s... Anywhere I can read about that?
Moose-Knuckle
08-19-12, 02:49
Hussein Obama, and his administration(his real administration, which includes Bill Ayers & his bitch Bernadine Dorn), are the engineers of the whole Arab spring thing. According to the FBI, at one time, Ayers, Dorn, and the rest of the "weather underground," envisioned exterminating 25,000,000 Americans.
It was from the living room of those two democidal intellectual heros of the DNC that Hussein Obama kicked off his political career....
Nail head, you just hit it. :cool:
Moose-Knuckle
08-19-12, 03:00
And for those who had never heard of Massoud, he is also the name sake of Magpul's 7.62 NATO "ACR" aka the Magpul Massoud.
If y'all want a good read by the oldest boots on the ground in the A-stan right after 9/11 do yourself a favor and get this warrior's book.
http://billywaugh.net/
Moose-Knuckle
08-19-12, 03:05
WHAT.
No, you didn't just enter the Twilight Zone. Here is an old interview by an under cover who infiltrated the Weather Underground (people who reared Barry).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ
Magic_Salad0892
08-19-12, 03:27
No, you didn't just enter the Twilight Zone. Here is an old interview by an under cover who infiltrated the Weather Underground (people who reared Barry).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ
That is the scariest thing I have ever seen in my entire life.
ForTehNguyen
08-19-12, 07:52
lol didnt we meddle and support these people? Gotta love our foreign policy
The government the Taliban overthrew were communist.
The Northern Alliance is who we supported, and they were mujahadin by our definition. AQ assassinated the NA head the day before 9/11.
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I remember watching that on the news.
Mauser KAR98K
08-19-12, 17:18
For those who have read "The Only Thing Worth Dying For," I recommend reading "Horse Soldiers," by Doug Stanton.
http://www.amazon.com/Horse-Soldiers-Extraordinary-Victory-Afghanistan/dp/B004WB1AKC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345414643&sr=8-1&keywords=Horse+Soldiers
WHAT.
http://ngoldfarb.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/barack-obamas-boss-and-mentor-william-ayres-group-killed-more-people-than-the-kkk-ku-lux-klan/
Its simply amazing, here we are three and a half years into the communists administration, and you guys still don't know jack-shit about him, or his friends...
The FBI agent who infiltrated Ayer’s group said they had a meeting devoted for several hours to the logistics of how, after they took over America by violence, they would “eliminate” (that means “kill”) the 25,000,000 people who they thought could not be “educated” to their political beliefs. In the words of another mass murderer, Adolph Hitler: “Verstehen Sie?” Ayers’ ambition was to become the greatest mass murderer in history, exceeding Hitler and Stalin! And Obama chose to work under this murderer for seven years. So what did Obama learn in those seven years, and does Obama plan to eliminate those of us who cannot be “educated?”
From the blog article....
http://billayers.wordpress.com/
Pay attention to the "language" they employ!
And these are the heros of the "Arab Spring" that our .gov has suported.
Makes one wonder doesn't it? Undermine those who have rightful claims to support infidels (the Wahhabists ARE infidels by Islam's definition).
Google "A Clean Break".
Can't wait to see what comes out of Syria.
Al Qaeda elements and other Sunni extremists.... JUST LIKE IN LIBYA (with the West's full support).
Magic_Salad0892
08-19-12, 20:04
Its simply amazing, here we are three and a half years into the communists administration, and you guys still don't know jack-shit about him, or his friends...
Thanks for that.
****...
Littlelebowski
08-19-12, 20:43
Thanks friend. I didn't know that as well. Don't know what you dont know. I've never had the opportunity to go. Just Iraq so I should stop spreading slander. ha. Carry on with your convo boys. My services aren't needed.
Sensitive.
Cagemonkey
08-19-12, 21:07
Al Qaeda elements and other Sunni extremists.... JUST LIKE IN LIBYA (with the West's full support).Agreed. Trying to figure out the big picture. I know this is part of the Globalist agenda. Just can't put the pieces together yet.
Agreed. Trying to figure out the big picture. I know this is part of the Globalist agenda. Just can't put the pieces together yet.
Gotta destroy ANY AND ALL who wish to be independent and they need an enemy to fight.
Cagemonkey
08-19-12, 21:25
Gotta destroy ANY AND ALL who wish to be independent and they need an enemy to fight.I understand what you mean. Theirs still more to it than that though.
Belmont31R
08-19-12, 21:42
I personally think the left is supporting the Arab Spring because they know more radical elements within the Islamic world would be who replaced guys who have basically kept the peace for the last few decades. You gotta be very worried, if you're Israel, about the radicalization of your neighbors, and a repeat of the past conflicts.
I remember when the whole fest in Egypt was going down, and we were pretty much told the MB would not be the ones to get power. The after math of this uprisings, and the support from our President seems to be back page news now that things aren't going so well. I just read an article the other day about the new MB leadership in Egypt seizing power, and I don't really see anything positive coming out that country anytime soon.
The Taliban in Afghanistan was basically funded by other Muslim countries but given the most support from Pakistan. Saudi Arabia funded quite a bit of it. The Pakistani ISI send a shit ton of people into Afghanistan. The communist government who was overthrown was basically supporting the Soviet invasion. This was basically a civil war or at leas the commie Afghans trying to supress a revolt. Once the USSR collapsed the muj put full effort into killing the communist government off, and there were quite a few factions. So its not really honest to say we helped the Taliban. We helped quite a few different groups...the Taliban didn't officially come about until after the USSR left. It was basically a power vacuum.
ChicagoTex
08-19-12, 22:08
I'm sorry to interrupt the circle jerk, but this discussion is WELL past the land of sanity and logic (not to mention grossly off-topic from the original post).
I have yet to see any even remotely credible evidence (no, the alleged Ayers mail man who THINKS he remembers a black kid who he swears MIGHT have called himself Barack Obama doesn't count) that Barack Obama did anything more than kiss the ring of Ayers as a Chicago-area kingmaker in a bid for further status in those political circles. There are countless other politicians who have claimed "friendship" with Ayers over the decades in exchange for political and/or real capital who have never planned to murder anyone, much less 25 million American citizens.
To allege that Ayers single-handedly crafted the entire psyche and value system of Obama is entirely unsupported by facts in evidence, and to suggest that the current President of the United States is plotting to murder millions of American citizens as an extension of that extraordinarily tenuous relationship is quite frankly the most specious and appalling bullshit I've ever heard in my life.
I'm not a fan of the Obama administration by any stretch of the imagination, but any ACTUAL communist or socialist, American or otherwise, will freely tell you that by their standards Obama is the epitome of weaksauce. Think about it for a moment: Obama's greatest potential "triumph" in nearly 4 years along the socialist/communist paradigm has been the ACA, which is outrageously unpopular, constitutionally indefensible, and pragmatically unfundable. That's it. Obama may very well be done by this time next January. Do you really think his brilliant plan all this time was an insidious slow play that would require him to be in office 20-30 years to pay off?
You've seen what Obama's got going on under the hood, a bunch of limpdick equalist rhetoric tuned to recent polling data ala Jimmy Carter. Is it shitty and ineffectual leadership? Sure is. Is it part of some vast conspiracy to overturn the country and murder dissidents? Only if he couldn't think it through for more than 5 seconds.
The problem with Obama isn't the wizard behind the curtain, the problem with Obama is there's NO wizard behind the curtain. But it's simply an indefensible logical leap to go from moron to murderer.
Magic_Salad0892
08-19-12, 22:11
I personally think the left is supporting the Arab Spring because they know more radical elements within the Islamic world would be who replaced guys who have basically kept the peace for the last few decades. You gotta be very worried, if you're Israel, about the radicalization of your neighbors, and a repeat of the past conflicts.
I remember when the whole fest in Egypt was going down, and we were pretty much told the MB would not be the ones to get power. The after math of this uprisings, and the support from our President seems to be back page news now that things aren't going so well. I just read an article the other day about the new MB leadership in Egypt seizing power, and I don't really see anything positive coming out that country anytime soon.
The Taliban in Afghanistan was basically funded by other Muslim countries but given the most support from Pakistan. Saudi Arabia funded quite a bit of it. The Pakistani ISI send a shit ton of people into Afghanistan. The communist government who was overthrown was basically supporting the Soviet invasion. This was basically a civil war or at leas the commie Afghans trying to supress a revolt. Once the USSR collapsed the muj put full effort into killing the communist government off, and there were quite a few factions. So its not really honest to say we helped the Taliban. We helped quite a few different groups...the Taliban didn't officially come about until after the USSR left. It was basically a power vacuum.
We did fund and directly support people who ARE Taliban/AQ allies, but were not at the time.
Like Gulbuddin Heckmatyar (however you spell it) who created Hezb-i-Islami after he left the ISI sometime in the mid 90s.
He fought against the USSR in the 70s, and 80s, but now he fights WITH the Taliban.
Belmont31R
08-19-12, 22:32
I'm sorry to interrupt the circle jerk, but this discussion is WELL past the land of sanity and logic (not to mention grossly off-topic from the original post).
I have yet to see any even remotely credible evidence (no, the alleged Ayers mail man who THINKS he remembers a black kid who he swears MIGHT have called himself Barack Obama doesn't count) that Barack Obama did anything more than kiss the ring of Ayers as a Chicago-area kingmaker in a bid for further status in those political circles. There are countless other politicians who have claimed "friendship" with Ayers over the decades in exchange for political and/or real capital who have never planned to murder anyone, much less 25 million American citizens.
To allege that Ayers single-handedly crafted the entire psyche and value system of Obama is entirely unsupported by facts in evidence, and to suggest that the current President of the United States is plotting to murder millions of American citizens as an extension of that extraordinarily tenuous relationship is quite frankly the most specious and appalling bullshit I've ever heard in my life.
I'm not a fan of the Obama administration by any stretch of the imagination, but any ACTUAL communist or socialist, American or otherwise, will freely tell you that by their standards Obama is the epitome of weaksauce. Think about it for a moment: Obama's greatest potential "triumph" in nearly 4 years along the socialist/communist paradigm has been the ACA, which is outrageously unpopular, constitutionally indefensible, and pragmatically unfundable. That's it. Obama may very well be done by this time next January. Do you really think his brilliant plan all this time was an insidious slow play that would require him to be in office 20-30 years to pay off?
You've seen what Obama's got going on under the hood, a bunch of limpdick equalist rhetoric tuned to recent polling data ala Jimmy Carter. Is it shitty and ineffectual leadership? Sure is. Is it part of some vast conspiracy to overturn the country and murder dissidents? Only if he couldn't think it through for more than 5 seconds.
The problem with Obama isn't the wizard behind the curtain, the problem with Obama is there's NO wizard behind the curtain. But it's simply an indefensible logical leap to go from moron to murderer.
I read back through the posts, and I didn't see anyone say Obama was planning to murder Americans. The connection was made from Ayers (who did say that) to Obama working with Ayers for a number of years, and Obama's political career being launched from Ayer's house. And I don't want anyone in the White House who has a several year long working relationship with Ayers.
I also think people are stupid if they think what the left wants to do is going to get some far left guy in there, and revolutionize the country in one fell swoop. I think they are smart enough to realize if they do it incrementally, and wait for the right time it would be a lot easier. ObamaCare is another step in getting as many people hooked on government programs as possible, and thus it becomes impossible to remove these programs from our budget. Doing so is killing granny, supporting the rich bankers, taking a meal away from a child.
If you look at the actual method of socialist revolution in this country its basically breaking down the idea of limited government, and individualism. No I don't Obama is going to start rounding people up...but he is doing his best, while still trying to get reelected, to transform the country. A lot of this stuff doesn't even get very much media attention. Did you hear about the Appeals Court ruling about the TX chemical plant permits? Obama enacting the Dream Act all on his own was a snippet on the news here. How about the multiple long gun reporting in border states? It took a law in 1968 to require multiple handgun sales, and Obama does it all on his own.
The ACA act, and the resulting SCOTUS decision was the biggest power grab in decades. No one wants to talk about the implications of the government taxing you for not having bought certain products they deem you to need to purchase.
If "real" socialists and commies think Obama is weaksauce it shows how ****ing scary their vision of our future is.
I'm sorry to interrupt the circle jerk, but this discussion is WELL past the land of sanity and logic (not to mention grossly off-topic from the original post).
I have yet to see any even remotely credible evidence (no, the alleged Ayers mail man who THINKS he remembers a black kid who he swears MIGHT have called himself Barack Obama doesn't count) that Barack Obama did anything more than kiss the ring of Ayers as a Chicago-area kingmaker in a bid for further status in those political circles. There are countless other politicians who have claimed "friendship" with Ayers over the decades in exchange for political and/or real capital who have never planned to murder anyone, much less 25 million American citizens.
To allege that Ayers single-handedly crafted the entire psyche and value system of Obama is entirely unsupported by facts in evidence, and to suggest that the current President of the United States is plotting to murder millions of American citizens as an extension of that extraordinarily tenuous relationship is quite frankly the most specious and appalling bullshit I've ever heard in my life.
I'm not a fan of the Obama administration by any stretch of the imagination, but any ACTUAL communist or socialist, American or otherwise, will freely tell you that by their standards Obama is the epitome of weaksauce. Think about it for a moment: Obama's greatest potential "triumph" in nearly 4 years along the socialist/communist paradigm has been the ACA, which is outrageously unpopular, constitutionally indefensible, and pragmatically unfundable. That's it. Obama may very well be done by this time next January. Do you really think his brilliant plan all this time was an insidious slow play that would require him to be in office 20-30 years to pay off?
You've seen what Obama's got going on under the hood, a bunch of limpdick equalist rhetoric tuned to recent polling data ala Jimmy Carter. Is it shitty and ineffectual leadership? Sure is. Is it part of some vast conspiracy to overturn the country and murder dissidents? Only if he couldn't think it through for more than 5 seconds.
The problem with Obama isn't the wizard behind the curtain, the problem with Obama is there's NO wizard behind the curtain. But it's simply an indefensible logical leap to go from moron to murderer.
Thread topics evolve naturally, as to your ridiculous assertions that Ayers is/was a highly sought after king maker, cultivated by "countless" politicians, what planet do you hail from? Pure BS! Cite one source that Ayers was sought out by "any politician" beyond Hussein Obama, just one? His, and his fellow weather undergound terrorists ideological commitment to murder, and statements detailing their desires to "eliminate" 25,000,000 Americans are a matter of historical fact, disputed only by the terrorists themselves, and those such as yourself, that lap at their feet....:rolleyes:
I'm sorry to interrupt the circle jerk, but this discussion is WELL past the land of sanity and logic (not to mention grossly off-topic from the original post).
I have yet to see any even remotely credible evidence (no, the alleged Ayers mail man who THINKS he remembers a black kid who he swears MIGHT have called himself Barack Obama doesn't count) that Barack Obama did anything more than kiss the ring of Ayers as a Chicago-area kingmaker in a bid for further status in those political circles. There are countless other politicians who have claimed "friendship" with Ayers over the decades in exchange for political and/or real capital who have never planned to murder anyone, much less 25 million American citizens.
To allege that Ayers single-handedly crafted the entire psyche and value system of Obama is entirely unsupported by facts in evidence, and to suggest that the current President of the United States is plotting to murder millions of American citizens as an extension of that extraordinarily tenuous relationship is quite frankly the most specious and appalling bullshit I've ever heard in my life.
I'm not a fan of the Obama administration by any stretch of the imagination, but any ACTUAL communist or socialist, American or otherwise, will freely tell you that by their standards Obama is the epitome of weaksauce. Think about it for a moment: Obama's greatest potential "triumph" in nearly 4 years along the socialist/communist paradigm has been the ACA, which is outrageously unpopular, constitutionally indefensible, and pragmatically unfundable. That's it. Obama may very well be done by this time next January. Do you really think his brilliant plan all this time was an insidious slow play that would require him to be in office 20-30 years to pay off?
You've seen what Obama's got going on under the hood, a bunch of limpdick equalist rhetoric tuned to recent polling data ala Jimmy Carter. Is it shitty and ineffectual leadership? Sure is. Is it part of some vast conspiracy to overturn the country and murder dissidents? Only if he couldn't think it through for more than 5 seconds.
The problem with Obama isn't the wizard behind the curtain, the problem with Obama is there's NO wizard behind the curtain. But it's simply an indefensible logical leap to go from moron to murderer.
Very well put.
I'm sorry to interrupt the circle jerk, but this discussion is WELL past the land of sanity and logic (not to mention grossly off-topic from the original post).
I have yet to see any even remotely credible evidence (no, the alleged Ayers mail man who THINKS he remembers a black kid who he swears MIGHT have called himself Barack Obama doesn't count) that Barack Obama did anything more than kiss the ring of Ayers as a Chicago-area kingmaker in a bid for further status in those political circles. There are countless other politicians who have claimed "friendship" with Ayers over the decades in exchange for political and/or real capital who have never planned to murder anyone, much less 25 million American citizens.
To allege that Ayers single-handedly crafted the entire psyche and value system of Obama is entirely unsupported by facts in evidence, and to suggest that the current President of the United States is plotting to murder millions of American citizens as an extension of that extraordinarily tenuous relationship is quite frankly the most specious and appalling bullshit I've ever heard in my life.
I'm not a fan of the Obama administration by any stretch of the imagination, but any ACTUAL communist or socialist, American or otherwise, will freely tell you that by their standards Obama is the epitome of weaksauce. Think about it for a moment: Obama's greatest potential "triumph" in nearly 4 years along the socialist/communist paradigm has been the ACA, which is outrageously unpopular, constitutionally indefensible, and pragmatically unfundable. That's it. Obama may very well be done by this time next January. Do you really think his brilliant plan all this time was an insidious slow play that would require him to be in office 20-30 years to pay off?
You've seen what Obama's got going on under the hood, a bunch of limpdick equalist rhetoric tuned to recent polling data ala Jimmy Carter. Is it shitty and ineffectual leadership? Sure is. Is it part of some vast conspiracy to overturn the country and murder dissidents? Only if he couldn't think it through for more than 5 seconds.
The problem with Obama isn't the wizard behind the curtain, the problem with Obama is there's NO wizard behind the curtain. But it's simply an indefensible logical leap to go from moron to murderer.
I'd say that you are mostly correct - Ayers was mainly a useful idiot to Obama. The person that did have the single greatest impact on Obama's world view is probably Frank Marshall Davis. This comes from Obama's own book. Sure, there was a little influence by people like Ayers and Wright, but they were more pawns in his political aspirations. However, that does not mean that Obama should get a pass (which an adoring MSM gave him in the last election) for associating with these imbeciles.
On the other hand, I think that you underestimate Obama's success at "transformational change" whereby the greatest percentage of the public in the Nation's history is now dependent on the federal government to blow their collective noses and wipe their asses. This is why we're are facing a close election despite 4 years of the worst economic performance since the Great Depression. Good luck prying those leeches of the federal teet.
ChicagoTex
08-20-12, 00:24
Thread topics evolve naturally, as to your ridiculous assertions that Ayers is/was a highly sought after king maker, cultivated by "countless" politicians, what planet do you hail from? Pure BS! Cite one source that Ayers was sought out by "any politician" beyond Hussein Obama, just one?
Will former President Bill Clinton work? (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/22/nyregion/officials-criticize-clinton-s-pardon-of-an-ex-terrorist.html?src=pm)
His, and his fellow weather undergound terrorists ideological commitment to murder, and statements detailing their desires to "eliminate" 25,000,000 Americans are a matter of historical fact, disputed only by the terrorists themselves, and those such as yourself, that lap at their feet....
I don't deny Ayers is evil, I absolutely deny that he's part of Obama's "real administration" as you put it and that his specific agenda, mass homicides and all, is of any significant concern to Obama at this point.
Belmont31R
08-20-12, 00:35
Will former President Bill Clinton work? (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/22/nyregion/officials-criticize-clinton-s-pardon-of-an-ex-terrorist.html?src=pm)
I don't deny Ayers is evil, I absolutely deny that he's part of Obama's "real administration" as you put it and that his specific agenda, mass homicides and all, is of any significant concern to Obama at this point.
Like Obama was going to make executing 25 million Americans part of his campaign strategy. Once his past/current associations came to light he was throwing people under the bus as fast as he could. The church he went to for 20 years? Under the bus within a couple days...!
Then we get people like you who rush to his defense, and try to play him up as some sort of weaksauce to the left when this guy has spent everyday in office trying to expand Federal and especially executive branch powers.
OMG a COMMUNIST thinks Obama is weaksauce so he has to so be some middle of the road easy going type of guy! Are you serious?
Since when did COMMUNISTS decide where a president sits politically?
Magic_Salad0892
08-20-12, 04:09
Like Obama was going to make executing 25 million Americans part of his campaign strategy. Once his past/current associations came to light he was throwing people under the bus as fast as he could. The church he went to for 20 years? Under the bus within a couple days...!
Then we get people like you who rush to his defense, and try to play him up as some sort of weaksauce to the left when this guy has spent everyday in office trying to expand Federal and especially executive branch powers.
OMG a COMMUNIST thinks Obama is weaksauce so he has to so be some middle of the road easy going type of guy! Are you serious?
Since when did COMMUNISTS decide where a president sits politically?
Belmont. He's not defending Obama. He's simply stating that he isn't an immediate threat, YET. It would take Obama AT LEAST another term to turn the US into a Communist state.
Back to the Arab Spring. I find it wildly ironic that we're supporting the overthrow of all these dictators in exchange for the inevitable power vacuum and ascendancy of radicals. Listening to McCain demand we do something in Syria is hysterical.
Let's apply this very same model to Saudi Arabia. When the Arab Spring decides the House of Saud needs to be cleaned, who do you think we'll support?
For the US, support or condemnation of repressive regimes has always boiled down to one simple equation. Are they in our pocket, or someone else's? :rolleyes:
montanadave
08-20-12, 08:29
Are they in our pocket, or someone else's? :rolleyes:
That pretty much sums it up.
Our leadership is big on "spreading freedom and democracy" around the globe but our foreign policy has always been driven by what is in our immediate best interests, whether political or economic.
We're always happy to support free elections. Just let us select the candidates.
ChicagoTex
08-20-12, 23:02
Belmont. He's not defending Obama. He's simply stating that he isn't an immediate threat, YET. It would take Obama AT LEAST another term to turn the US into a Communist state.
Pretty much, but I'm taking the position that his impotence is largely due to incompetence rather than political position. Basically I think Obama has undeniable socialist leanings and desires that he's simply not able to formulate into any sort of coherent plan, so he just grabs at whatever the hell he wants when the mood strikes him or the polling numbers say he needs to based on his own incredibly fuzzy rhetoric. To put it another way: I believe Obama would ultimately like to see a socialist or communist America, but I also believe he has absolutely no idea how to get there from here. It is to this end that I made the point that various modern socialist/communist organizations have been so critical of Obama's vague and meandering ways, not as a statement of what his actual dispositions are or might be.
Pretty much, but I'm taking the position that his impotence is largely due to incompetence rather than political position. Basically I think Obama has undeniable socialist leanings and desires that he's simply not able to formulate into any sort of coherent plan, so he just grabs at whatever the hell he wants when the mood strikes him or the polling numbers say he needs to based on his own incredibly fuzzy rhetoric. To put it another way: I believe Obama would ultimately like to see a socialist or communist America, but I also believe he has absolutely no idea how to get there from here. It is to this end that I made the point that various modern socialist/communist organizations have been so critical of Obama's vague and meandering ways, not as a statement of what his actual dispositions are or might be.
Too many bong hits will do that to ya! :D
Magic_Salad0892
08-20-12, 23:17
Pretty much, but I'm taking the position that his impotence is largely due to incompetence rather than political position. Basically I think Obama has undeniable socialist leanings and desires that he's simply not able to formulate into any sort of coherent plan, so he just grabs at whatever the hell he wants when the mood strikes him or the polling numbers say he needs to based on his own incredibly fuzzy rhetoric. To put it another way: I believe Obama would ultimately like to see a socialist or communist America, but I also believe he has absolutely no idea how to get there from here. It is to this end that I made the point that various modern socialist/communist organizations have been so critical of Obama's vague and meandering ways, not as a statement of what his actual dispositions are or might be.
I'm inclined to agree with you. But I believe that if he gets another term he WILL bring change... for the worst.
He may not know how to get to a Communist state from where is IS. But he will know how to get there from where he would be.
ChicagoTex
08-20-12, 23:32
Too many bong hits will do that to ya!
So they tell me :D
I'm inclined to agree with you. But I believe that if he gets another term he WILL bring change... for the worst.
I don't disagree. I just think the blind attempts at all manner of "reform" will continue, and that isn't gonna be positive change for anybody.
Will former President Bill Clinton work? (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/22/nyregion/officials-criticize-clinton-s-pardon-of-an-ex-terrorist.html?src=pm)
I don't deny Ayers is evil, I absolutely deny that he's part of Obama's "real administration" as you put it and that his specific agenda, mass homicides and all, is of any significant concern to Obama at this point.
Will former President Bill Clinton work?
No, he won't! Not even a sliver of evidence exists linking Ayers to Clintons political ascendency, though Hillary is/was very warmly disposed towards communists, and communism. Your link does not support even infintismally, your statement that "Ayers" was approached by "countless" politicians for king making...
The only people enthralled with Bill Ayers, are the same people that are enthralled with Che & Fidel....
There's a bit of end-times Biblical prophecy regarding a unified Arab world.
The first beast is the Lion with eagles' wings: Britain and America
The second beast is the Bear: Russia
The third beast is the Leopard with 4 heads and 4 wings: Lybia, Egypt, Syria, Persia? (Iran, Iraq)
http://www.prophecyclub.com/article_2004_jan-feb.htm
http://www.khouse.org/strategic_trends/
Some say that Israel is the end-times clock, and whatever is going on there tells us a lot about what time it is. The neighborhood just got a lot more dangerous for Israel, and will get worse.
It's more dangerous due to Israel's behavior. The attitudes towards her are more reactionary due to the land grabs, violence and dismissive attitude towards her neighbors. Add the bit squads and other political intrigue combined with bellicose leaders and a nuclear arsenal and you just KNOW it wouldn't be able to live quietly amongst her neighbors.
Littlelebowski
08-21-12, 07:31
It's more dangerous due to Israel's behavior. The attitudes towards her are more reactionary due to the land grabs, violence and dismissive attitude towards her neighbors. Add the bit squads and other political intrigue combined with bellicose leaders and a nuclear arsenal and you just KNOW it wouldn't be able to live quietly amongst her neighbors.
Maybe she would be less dangerous without her welfare checks.
The_War_Wagon
08-21-12, 07:36
Must be more of that "'peaceful' Mohammedanism" we've been hearing SOOO much about... since 9/12/2001... :rolleyes:
It's more dangerous due to Israel's behavior. The attitudes towards her are more reactionary due to the land grabs, violence and dismissive attitude towards her neighbors. Add the bit squads and other political intrigue combined with bellicose leaders and a nuclear arsenal and you just KNOW it wouldn't be able to live quietly amongst her neighbors.
I've long thought we should cut 'em loose in terms of financial support because they have never been very good allies to us, but this is just ****ing nonsense.
Israel's Arab neighbors have been trying to destroy it since the '50s. They're violent and dismissive of Arabs for a very good reason, they've been there and done that. The Arabs play peace for a while and then attack once they've built up some strength, which is straight out of Islamism's playbook. And the "land grabs" came as a result of wars of aggression by the Arabs. The Arabs bitch about Israel being belligerent and seizing "Palestinian" land because they know they have a very receptive audience in Europe. Jew hate is alive and well throughout Europe, and the Arabs bank on it. They also have a receptive audience here in America, but instead of playing on Jew-hate, they play on the average American's phenomenal naivete when it comes to international matters and our innate desire for peace (which, it should be noted, AIPAC does as well). Here's the thing, the Arabs have not exactly hidden their agenda. For them there is no "two-state" solution, and it's not as if they've been mum about it. For some ****ing reason there are still plenty of people in this country who are stupid (yes, STUPID) enough to believe the nice placating words about peace that are directed at us from the Arab world, but refuse to believe the intent the same groups have when they openly state to Arab audiences that they will annihilate Israel. It's ****ing mind-boggling.
I've long thought we should cut 'em loose in terms of financial support because they have never been very good allies to us, but this is just ****ing nonsense.
Israel's Arab neighbors have been trying to destroy it since the '50s. They're violent and dismissive of Arabs for a very good reason, they've been there and done that. The Arabs play peace for a while and then attack once they've built up some strength, which is straight out of Islamism's playbook. And the "land grabs" came as a result of wars of aggression by the Arabs. The Arabs bitch about Israel being belligerent and seizing "Palestinian" land because they know they have a very receptive audience in Europe. Jew hate is alive and well throughout Europe, and the Arabs bank on it. They also have a receptive audience here in America, but instead of playing on Jew-hate, they play on the average American's phenomenal naivete when it comes to international matters and our innate desire for peace (which, it should be noted, AIPAC does as well). Here's the thing, the Arabs have not exactly hidden their agenda. For them there is no "two-state" solution, and it's not as if they've been mum about it. For some ****ing reason there are still plenty of people in this country who are stupid (yes, STUPID) enough to believe the nice placating words about peace that are directed at us from the Arab world, but refuse to believe the intent the same groups have when they openly state to Arab audiences that they will annihilate Israel. It's ****ing mind-boggling.
Exactly. Well said.
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