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Where did this take place?
Looks like MI according to ambulance.
http://medstarambulance.com/index.php
Madison County in Illinois.
http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutor-teen-held-captive-deplorable-home-131044592.html
RayJay has the Duo stock and a 1911 in the thigh rig.
BangBang77
08-24-12, 12:11
Nothing wrong with the MOE line of gear. It's not my first choice and I don't run it on my duty rifle, but it get's the job done. My wife's BCM has a MOE forearm and stock. It's what felt the best to her so that's what I put on it.:)
Different strokes for different folks.
Yep. Anything Magpul puts out is going to be good.
I'd pick something metal if I were a SWAT dude though.
There's nothing wrong with the MOE handguard.... Guys like LAV and even before were destroying the enemy every bit as efficiently as can be done now with traditional plastic handguards and A2 flash hiders. You don't need your tacticool gadgets hanging off the end of a rifle to shoot people.
There's nothing wrong with the MOE handguard....
Agreed. Just interesting to see the aftermarket stuff making it to real world guns.
This isn't a TRASH MOE thread, Boys.
BangBang77
08-24-12, 12:26
Yep. Anything Magpul puts out is going to be good.
I'd pick something metal if I were a SWAT dude though.
I concur sir.
I mean... I've not used moe handguards.. so I can't offer an opinion...
But my GearSector or VLTOR light mounts on a KAC or DD rail can REALLY take brutal punishment and not break.
Agreed. Just interesting to see the aftermarket stuff making it to real world guns.
This isn't a TRASH MOE thread, Boys.
Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, maybe he shoulda left that duostock at home, however..... Also, the guy in front of him has way more shit on his plate carrier that a swat guy should need.....
My buddy from the marine corp who served in the sandbox is constantly amazed at all the aftermarket stuff that's available for ARs. He has commented on wishing he had : an Aimpoint T1, PMags, a CTR, BAD and a battlecomp. He says we (those who don't go into harms way) are better equipped than those who risk their lives. He's a good sport about it though and has a completely tricked out AR for the upcoming carbine classes he's taking.
He also appears to be rocking a 1911...:D
His buddy in front of him appears to have a MICH 2001 and tacti-fashion multicam pants.
ThreeLeafPayback
08-24-12, 12:55
Setting aside the "fasion faux pas", I'd be more concerned about the direction of the muzzle.
Safety fail. :eek:
Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, maybe he shoulda left that duostock at home, however..... Also, the guy in front of him has way more shit on his plate carrier that a swat guy should need.....
I shouldn't sound like I'm knocking the DUO stock either... I've not tried it. And I surely defend a guy's right to pick the stock that works with his gear.
Guns-up.50
08-24-12, 13:23
He also appears to be rocking a 1911...:D
His buddy in front of him appears to have a MICH 2001 and tacti-fashion multicam pants.
I never got that?? why do lots of swat guys wear multi-cam
richdkim77
08-24-12, 13:40
Also, the guy in front of him has way more shit on his plate carrier that a swat guy should need.....
How could you possibly know if he has more than he needs from just a picture? Do you speak from experience?
haha our whole swat team wears multicam. Why? I dont know. They just do.
My first MOE handguard earned my repsect for how hard/solid it is when I drilled it to instal a IWC Mount-N-Slot. That shit is solid.
I question if attachments are as secure on a MOE as they are on a quad rail. Actually I don't question it. Quad rail all the way, assuming one has quality mounts.
I never got that?? why do lots of swat guys wear multi-cam
Why not? The all black get up that SWAT teams wore for years (or dark navy blue) was intended for the shock factor in a hostage rescue mission. It was supposed to give a slight psychological advantage and give the operator an extra second (or fraction of a second) when the hostage taker/terrorist hesitated at the menacing sight.
Problem is that black silhouettes badly and makes you an easy target in just about any background. The same reason we paint our black rifles, applies to clothing/uniforms. Earth tones are better, and a disruptive pattern, especially one that works in more than one environment is a win. Most SWAT bubbas will be set up on a location for hours before they do an assault (if they get to do it). A barricaded shooter should not be able to easily look out the window and have nicely visible targets. Black gear/clothes may also contribute to heat casualties depending on the location.
Is some of the reason that the "high speed" military units wear Multicam? Of course. That will always play into it, whether it's uniforms, weapons, etc. In fact, I'd submit that the all black set up that teams wore for so long was attributable to the SAS assault on the Iranian embassy in London that was caught on film. But from a purely practical/safety standpoint, having a camo uniform that makes it harder to see/shoot the officer is a great idea IMHO.
Setting aside the "fasion faux pas", I'd be more concerned about the direction of the muzzle.
Safety fail. :eek:
I think that is depth of field on the photo. He is forward of and back turned to the other line of guys but muzzle almost looks like it's stuck in that one guys back. I think it's just the photo.
I think it's just the photo.
I agree.
I never got that?? why do lots of swat guys wear multi-cam
I think alot of it is because it's the newest pattern and SOCOM and all wear so SWAT guys have to wear it. I remember seeing pics a few years ago when ACU first came out, and it was what everybody wanted.
What I don't understand is why does the guy in the center have a completely different uniform and the "gucci-ed" up helmet? Different department?
What I don't understand is why does the guy in the center have a completely different uniform and the "gucci-ed" up helmet? Different department?
Could be. It's also possible that they received a federal grant for gear and only bought XX number of brain-buckets for team members at that time. Officers who make the team after that may have to use older gear. The guy with the nicer helmet could have purchased his own. There are countless possibilities. Try as they might, I don't think I've ever seen a team that is 100% standardized.
Littlelebowski
08-24-12, 15:47
The acronym means a lot less nowadays when Cooder County SWAT is rocking multicam and calling themselves "operators."
What I don't understand is why does the guy in the center have a completely different uniform and the "gucci-ed" up helmet? Different department?
Could be different agency. If a suspect believed to be in the house had an outstanding warrant, he may be a Marshal. Although when I've seen them they're usually in drab.
The acronym means a lot less nowadays when Cooder County SWAT is rocking multicam and calling themselves "operators."
:fie:
Eh..we went with the ACU simply because there is a ton of it on the market, its comparatively inexpensive, and there will likely be a lot of it on the market for years to come.
As regarding the MOE hardware, I really don't see a problem with it for civilian LE use.
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If this was in my neck of the woods Id say the guy in front was from a different agency from the other guys. Most teams in my area are pretty standard in uniforms, but who knows how the guys out West operate?
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BufordTJustice
08-24-12, 18:28
Why not? The all black get up that SWAT teams wore for years (or dark navy blue) was intended for the shock factor in a hostage rescue mission. It was supposed to give a slight psychological advantage and give the operator an extra second (or fraction of a second) when the hostage taker/terrorist hesitated at the menacing sight.
Problem is that black silhouettes badly and makes you an easy target in just about any background. The same reason we paint our black rifles, applies to clothing/uniforms. Earth tones are better, and a disruptive pattern, especially one that works in more than one environment is a win. Most SWAT bubbas will be set up on a location for hours before they do an assault (if they get to do it). A barricaded shooter should not be able to easily look out the window and have nicely visible targets. Black gear/clothes may also contribute to heat casualties depending on the location.
Is some of the reason that the "high speed" military units wear Multicam? Of course. That will always play into it, whether it's uniforms, weapons, etc. In fact, I'd submit that the all black set up that teams wore for so long was attributable to the SAS assault on the Iranian embassy in London that was caught on film. But from a purely practical/safety standpoint, having a camo uniform that makes it harder to see/shoot the officer is a great idea IMHO.
Agreed. I'm not SWAT in my agency, but I hang with a bunch of guys who are. You're spot-on.
Further, the MOE handguards are an order of magnitude tougher than the std handgaurds. I have trashed both and have shattered two sets of normal clamshell AR HG's. I have never put more than a scratch into the MOE's.
Further, if you have to drill into either...it takes about 4 times longer to drill through an MOE with a new drill bit than it does normal HG's (including the steel heat shield). The MOE's are as GTG as any non-railed HG....and tougher than the cheaper "value" rails. I won't knock the guy. I use 'em.
I hope the LEOs are using these:
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG440/62
And NOT these:
http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4074 :D
Moose-Knuckle
08-24-12, 21:10
The majority of agencies don't have a full time dedicated SWAT/SRT team. Ours is comprised from members of various sections throughout the dept. with other primary duty assignments. In all likelihood some of those guys in the pic were off duty when the call came out and showed up wearing whatever with their SWAT kit in hand.
As for MC, why not?
It’s cooler in warmer states/climates than the traditional MNB (Mall Ninja Black).
gunrunner505
08-24-12, 21:26
Anyone notice the paramedic wearing what looks like soft body armor?
Anyone notice the paramedic wearing what looks like soft body armor?
And a gun....hes probably the SWAT medic.
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Some of our local guys wear them. Ive never asked because its never come up, but I assume that not everyone they throw in the meatwagon is willing or of sound mind and judgement.
Love my MOE handguards aswell. Im not running any laser designation, night vision or any other non-civi doodad. Just a scout mounted TLR1 and Im good.
Moose-Knuckle
08-24-12, 21:40
And a gun....hes probably the SWAT medic.
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I think he was referring to the paramedic/EMT in the white soft armor.
Yes, some FD/EMT will wear body armor depending on the call and the area. I've even heard of some that are issued handcuffs.
gunrunner505
08-24-12, 21:48
I think he was referring to the paramedic/EMT in the white soft armor.
Yes, some FD/EMT will wear body armor depending on the call and the area. I've even heard of some that are issued handcuffs.
That's the guy. Blue shirt, white vest.
The SWAT medic has MEDIC on his back...
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