View Full Version : THE OFFICIAL 2008 SHOT SHOW THREAD
In an effort to cut down on multiple threads please post your SHOT SHOW pictures, discussions and questions here.
Why aren't there any pics yet? All I've seen is a noveske gas block.
Didn't this start Friday or not until Saturday?
Fr is range day.
Show days are Sa-Tu.
<--- anxiously awaiting new product p0rn :D
wicked_police
02-02-08, 10:43
Was going to go for work, but things changed.
Now I have to get my fix on the internet... :(
Waiting for the news and pics! :D
Here is a link to the 2008 Magpul catalog...
http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/2008catalog.pdf
DAMN!!!
I saw that a little bit ago.
ACS Stock!
Anyone wanna buy a UBR??
heres a link to the SHOT daily newspaper
SHOT Daily (http://www.shotshow.com/images/100300/2008PDF/SHOTDaily1.pdf)
SMGlee's SHOT SHOW picture thread. Should have some great pictures in the coming days.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=127586
Tspeis
ARMS....
plan on an upgraded throw lever to combat the detractor in the mount business.
A bit behind the power curve eh? :p
CleverNickname
02-02-08, 17:46
Anyone have info on the MRP gas piston pricing and availability dates?
www.gunblast.com usually has some good pics. He has some of range day already.
Here is a link to the 2008 Magpul catalog...
http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/2008catalog.pdf
Their rail covers look awesome. I can't wait to try some.
This is the midsize .45 M&P, picture from gunblast.
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=PqBb3Ki
1st photo's I've seen of the Busmaster ACR / Masada.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/BM_9087.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/BM_9083.jpg
Love that Bushmaster ACR, I'll take one. :)
Can't take pics, but saw a few neat things today.
4 new M&Ps. 9L, a longer (duh) 9mm. 9PS (Pro Series) with fiber front sight and unknown serrated rear, same slide length as the 9L. The midsize 45 with same length slide as the standard 9 or 40 (winner!). The compact 45 that takes an 8 rd magazine and feel remarkably like a G19 in the hand. They are both quite nice, but I would take the midsize 45 simply for the extra 2 rds.
Magpul and Bushmaster booths were neat for the ACR. Magpul had some prototype folder front and rear BUIS made of polymer. I liked the tirggering mech to deploy each BUIS. Getting to fingerf*** the ACR was quite nice.
The Arsenal SLR-107 (AK103) looks like a winner. Available within the next month or so according to them.
The LMT MRP piston is a thing of beauty in it's simplicity. It may be subzero-proof.
The GSG5 was nice to finger as well. Gotta buy one like now. Speaking of 22s, saw a Sturmgewehr in 22 (I think) that ze Germas vere lookink to zell. In that same realm as the GSG5 it would be a lot of fun.
The FNP 45 looks & feels like something I would expect a range commando to love. Big, fat, and stupid, it is the subzero of handguns. Well maybe not, because it was relatively lightweight.
Chris and I covered nearly two complete halls today. He is crashed out like a bitch. I am ready to do some stuff.
olds442tyguy
02-02-08, 21:27
Did you get to check out the 308 ACR/Massoud?
Gunwritr of Arfcom says there's one there. Also, it appears that the ACR/Masada is being shown in the Remington booth as well. Gunwritr also mentioned that Bushmaster didn't expect the rifle to sell very well in the commercial market. :D
I guess they're learning the hard way what the civilian market wants. ACR, yes. M17, no.
The BUSHMASTER ACR will take a proud place in my safe.
The BUSHMASTER ACR will take a proud place in my safe.
That makes two of us.
S/F,
Jeff
olds442tyguy
02-02-08, 21:53
I'll admit I was bugging out about the whole Bushmaster deal, but now I'm still just as excited about it.
The LMT MRP piston is a thing of beauty in it's simplicity. It may be subzero-proof.
S.Z.:
Do you have a release date?
Price?
Your thoughts on how the LMT will compare to other co. offerings.
Enjoy the show.
I have been waiting very impatiently for a year...and am not disappointed. I know that Rich and the boys at Magpul would not do anything to compromise their high standards.
I am also very excited about the 2008 offerings from Magpul. The "value line" is a great idea. I would like to see a VFG to match the MIAD thought.........
Any info regarding availability of the long slide M&Ps?
Thanks
Nick
RAM Engineer
02-02-08, 23:05
The compact 45 that takes an 8 rd magazine and feel remarkably like a G19 in the hand.
Now if they would just make a 9mm that feels remarkably like a G19 in the holster...:D
Now if they would just make a 9mm that feels remarkably like a G19 in the holster...:D
Meaning?
Now if they would just make a 9mm that feels remarkably like a G19 in the holster...:D
I too would like a smaller (G-19 sized) M&P9mm.
I find the compact 9mm to be too small and the full-size to be just a tad too large.
Friend of mine is at SHOT, and called me this evening. Got to handle the new SIG556 with factory folder, and a version in 308.
RAM Engineer
02-02-08, 23:28
Meaning?
Meaning: JG1911 got it exactly. the Glock 19 is probably Glocks best selling gun for a reason. It is the most efficient sized gun for the majority of people. Big enough to shoot comfortably, small enough to conceal easily. The M&P9/40 is closer to the G17 in the grip area. It's real comfortable to shoot, but harder to conceal than a 19.
I think S&W is losing out on many potential customers by trying to split the difference between the G17 & G19. If they had a TRUE 19-sized M&P, I would sell all my G19's and replace them.
I LOVE the M&P platform (I own 3), but for me, the M&P is a range gun and a competition gun ONLY because it doesn't conceal well on me.
It's real comfortable to shoot, but harder to conceal than a 19.
Going to have to strongly disagree there. If you can conceal a 19, you can conceal an M&P 9. Different discussion for a different thread though. This one is about SHOT.
YukonGlocker
02-02-08, 23:38
Any info regarding availability of the long slide M&Ps?
Thanks
Nick
Supposedly there are 2 versions of the 9mm on display.
One with standard sights and one with FO front/serrated rear sights.
Here is the M&P9L:
http://sigforum.com/movedimages/para/SHOT08/sw_m_and_p.jpg
Were the good booths too crowded? Sig- screwed up. They should cut their losses. A sub standard gun in a heavy caliber...
Sub-standard or not, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one....
Of course I love my SIG556. I wouldn't consider that "Sub-Standard" by any mean's. A bit UNGLY due to the furniture, yes..
That makes two of us.
Three
That 9L looks interesting....
That 9L looks interesting....
Excellent compliment to an M&P 45 ;)
Excellent compliment to an M&P 45 ;)
You may be right....
Spent some time at two booths in particular today.
Insight Technology has an upgraded, more powerful version of the Typhoon light available in various polymer and metal colors/finishes. There is also a new light very similar to the Typhoon (began with an "A" can't recall the name) but without the rotating control at the butt. Instead, all control is done through the single tail cap button. We spent a long time explaining to them how bad that was ... one switch that does literally four different things depending on the number, pressure, and length of the button presses is just begging for trouble. Gave them some suggestions and might see some different prototype switching in the coming weeks or months.
They also have a new metal pistol light (can be mounted on any M1913 rail too) which includes a strobe feature. I should have one for T&E in a week or two. If you haven't played with the strobe in a FOF situation, you need to. It's much more impressive than you can imagine.
As for the M&P9L, I was initially uninterested in the gun. Having handled one today, I have to admit it was impressive. The slide is much thinner in key places compared to a standard M&P. This not only makes the gun look sleeker (for those who care), but it keeps the weight down without resorting to a silly hole in the top of the slide. I'm hoping to scam one of these for long-term T&E before the show is over.
Rushed past the Bushmaster and Magpul booths (they're within arm's reach of one another) to avoid the puddles of drool all over the floor. Didn't handle the Masada yet. I'm not planning to be an early adopter.
I have pics of stuff, but I'm too lazy to upload it all tonight.
Three more days left.
S&W M&P45 Compact. :D
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii193/talonarmsshot/SHOT2008062.jpg
Tspeis
I'm digging the M&P45c. It's finally time for me to start buying M&P's.
Wolf introduced a 110 grain FMJ-BT 6.5mm Grendel load in steel cases at SHOT. Muzzle velocity is listed at like 2,610 fps (don't quote me, just off the top of my head, but I know it's over 2,600 fps). Is supposed to be priced just above 7.62x39mm. Projectile is designed after the 5.45x39 7N6 projectile, with an airpocket in the nose to provide an early yaw cycle.
Supposed to hit store shelves 2nd Quarter this year.
Wolf also introduced a steel case .223 Rem 75 grain HP-BT practice load. I already have a case of it to try. Velocity is listed at 2,750 fps. I talked to them and suggested they add a 75 grain FMJ-BT load, and they agreed. Pricing will be just slightly above their standard 62 grain FMJ steel case load.
I handled a .308 version of the Masada, very cool concept gun.
Shot the civilian semi auto SCAR L, I liked it, handled well. Supposed to be out 3rd quarter.
I handled a .308 version of the Masada, very cool concept gun.
What!? No pictures!?!?
BAN HIM!!!
Just kidding, thanks for the info! I'd love to see what it looks like.
Tspeis
Anyone get a chance to stop by Ciener or Advantage Arms to see if a .22lr conversion slide for the M&P's is out there yet? :D
What's it look like??
Stuff a .308 Mag in a Masada........that's pretty much what it looks like.....:D
Lumpy, good damn question....will stop by tomorrow and find out....
Excellent.
Thank you sir.
Spoke with Bill Alexander at SHOT today. He said he was going to bring back his 5.45x39mm AR uppers. So, for all of you looking to be able to shoot all of that super inexpensive Com Bloc 5.45 surplus on the market there will be an AR to do it in. Said he was going to see about getting a high capacity AR mag produced in 5.45...
what do you guys think, with surplus 5.45 7N6 running like $129 per 1,000 rounds, does a 5.45 AR upper interest you at all?? :confused:
NCPatrolAR
02-03-08, 04:49
Did the guys at Smith make any mention of the 14 rnd MP45 mags and/or M&Ps in FDE with no thumb safety?
I think I'll be getting one of the MP9Ls before one of the MP45Ms; though I will own both by the end of the year (as long as they are produced by then)
S&W M&P45 Compact. :D
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii193/talonarmsshot/SHOT2008062.jpg
Tspeis
I am SOOOOOO getting one of those! :D
My flight is boarding in 45 minutes....be in there in a few hours.
What mags did the SIG .308 take? What mags did the ACR .308 take??
I'd probably pick up a 556 ACR and a 308 SIG....:cool:
Jay Cunningham
02-03-08, 06:33
Spoke with Bill Alexander at SHOT today. He said he was going to bring back his 5.45x39mm AR uppers. So, for all of you looking to be able to shoot all of that super inexpensive Com Bloc 5.45 surplus on the market there will be an AR to do it in. Said he was going to see about getting a high capacity AR mag produced in 5.45...
what do you guys think, with surplus 5.45 7N6 running like $129 per 1,000 rounds, does a 5.45 AR upper interest you at all?? :confused:
Sounds like a winner to me!
Jay Cunningham
02-03-08, 06:33
Supposedly there are 2 versions of the 9mm on display.
One with standard sights and one with FO front/serrated rear sights.
Here is the M&P9L:
http://sigforum.com/movedimages/para/SHOT08/sw_m_and_p.jpg
Nice looking pistol!
Guess I have been living under a rock, as I had never even heard of the Bushmaster ACR until this thread. Looks like a SCAR copy? Is it a 5.56 or 6.8?
Guess I have been living under a rock, as I had never even heard of the Bushmaster ACR until this thread. Looks like a SCAR copy? Is it a 5.56 or 6.8?
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=11184
I am SOOOOOO getting one of those! :D
You and me both brother! :cool:
I wonder what the magazine capacity is for the compact?
Tspeis
That FDE compcast M&P 45C looks goooood.
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=11184
Thank-you. As big as that thread is, I'd say it's almost the equivalent of me living under a rock as a member here. Anyway, I was wrong to say a SCAR copy, as there seem to be as many differences as similarities. No offense gentlemen, it appears to be a nice gun that I will consider for myself as well.
YukonGlocker
02-03-08, 11:08
You and me both brother! :cool:
I wonder what the magazine capacity is for the compact?
Tspeis
I've heard it's an 8 rd. mag.
But I haven't confirmed that yet.
Wow. New Vltor comp for my G5:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii193/talonarmsshot/SHOT2008035.jpg
I wanted their new comp but it's HALO-friendly, not G5 friendly.
I guess now it's G5 friendly!
John_Wayne777
02-03-08, 11:48
Just when I thought I had the M&P situation settled, they go and invent more of them.
I have a pain running through my wallet.
Just when I thought I had the M&P situation settled, they go and invent more of them.
I have a pain running through my wallet.
You can say that again.
you knew this was coming- grant announced all of these in december! :p
I like the looks of that M&P45C.
:cool:
Double Post (No idea how)
Louder Than Words 1911 pics
http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6302
Louder Than Words 1911 pics
http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6302
The picture of Lou Alessi planting a smooch on Jason was hilarious. The one of Jason with his mouth open, hopefully not drooling too bad, while holding the Harrison "Swenson Tribute" pistol was priceless.
The LTW booth has always been a popular attraction. Their first year at SHOT, they found themselves next to a booth full of babes. I felt bad for those babes because the crowd were googoo gaga over all of the custom 1911s and not them :o , I bet that was a first.
Looks like they're back to back against Ed Brown's booth, sorry Mr. Brown.
John_Wayne777
02-03-08, 14:03
I could never go to the shot show. I'd be there for about an hour before I started trying to cram every pocket of my pants with cool stuff....requiring the intervention of law enforcement.
They would have to kill me.
...but I would die happy.
John_Wayne777
02-03-08, 14:04
Their first year at SHOT, they found themselves next to a booth full of babes. I felt bad for those babes because the crowd were googoo gaga over all of the custom 1911s and not them
Guns are a lot safer than babes....
Anybody know the details about the Negligent discharge?
Heard something about arrest?
Anybody know the details about the Negligent discharge?
Heard something about arrest?
:eek:
Anybody know the details about the Negligent discharge?
Heard something about arrest?
Say WHAT?
Anybody know the details about the Negligent discharge?
Heard something about arrest?
Apparently, you know more than any of us.
Throw us a bone here! What did ya hear? Where'd you here it?
A threaded M&P9???
Threaded for a suppressor...:D
I want a threaded M&P 9
If all else fails, the M&P9L barrel may make a good starting point.
Threaded for a suppressor...:D
Oh I know what it's for. I was just excited about the possibility! :D
Apparently, you know more than any of us.
Throw us a bone here! What did ya hear? Where'd you here it?
Poster on LF reported there was ND at the end of the day during tear down. Nobody hurt thankfully. Not sure if the ND and arrest are linked, or if there was any arrest for that matter linked to the ND or some other unrelated event.
YukonGlocker
02-03-08, 15:52
I want a threaded M&P 9
Adco is doing them now.
Poster on LF reported there was ND at the end of the day during tear down. Nobody hurt thankfully. Not sure if the ND and arrest are linked, or if there was any arrest for that matter linked to the ND or some other unrelated event.
Yep, what jmart said. That's where I read it, no mention anywhere else. Something else about AAC vs. Larue crew.
Something else about AAC vs. Larue crew.
Oh I HAVE to hear about that...
I could never go to the shot show. I'd be there for about an hour before I started trying to cram every pocket of my pants with cool stuff....requiring the intervention of law enforcement.
I think it might be a difficult experience for me as well. I have a close relative who has had a booth there each the past 5 years and invites me every year, yet I have never made it. That's mainly because I have my little boy 4 days per week at least, but that's still pretty sad. I think next year I will have to find the time, be strong (we could do it, John) and go.
From what I heard from a friend of mine that is there, two rifle's had fallen from about 7 feet onto the concrete, and a lot of people thought it was a shotgun blast. This was near the SIG booth.
From what I heard from a friend of mine that is there, two rifle's had fallen from about 7 feet onto the concrete, and a lot of people thought it was a shotgun blast. This was near the SIG booth.
Ahhh. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often, the way long guns are hung on hooks on those display walls. Maybe it was just a SIG :)
Maybe it was just a SIG
THANKFULLY it was not! :D
Anyone get a chance to stop by Ciener or Advantage Arms to see if a .22lr conversion slide for the M&P's is out there yet? :D
You don't want to talk to Ciener unless your up for a ass chewing
YUP, sure enough, besides those two rifle's crashing down, and causing a stir on Friday, someone did fire off a shot yeserday at the FN booth, while putting a gun back together, apparently.
Rmplstlskn
02-03-08, 21:24
No word from the Daniel Defense booth about a 9" OMEGA RAIL? :confused:
That would suck... I've been waiting for them to release it for awhile...
Rmpl
YUP, sure enough, besides those two rifle's crashing down, and causing a stir on Friday, someone did fire off a shot yeserday at the FN booth, while putting a gun back together, apparently.
Thanks for clearing that up.
dbldragons
02-03-08, 21:40
found these on some other SS2008 site
anybody know anything about this little beastie?
looks like it should be BII on a nissan xterra
dbldragons
02-03-08, 22:09
magic of google and youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc1j9ySbFKw
YUP, sure enough, besides those two rifle's crashing down, and causing a stir on Friday, someone did fire off a shot yeserday at the FN booth, while putting a gun back together, apparently.
FWIW, I was in the LE section when it happened and it was very clearly a gunshot ... some folks have reported it was a gun falling down or something.
Spoke to a friend at H&K (they're right next to FN) and according to him, a police officer decided to show someone at FN something about his pistol and ... >>BOOM<< ...
It was a loaded weapon brought from outside the show being handled by someone who clearly doesn't understand that whole "trigger finger off the trigger" thing ... life is hard.
Adco is doing them now.
I want a factory SW barrel.
whitetiger7654
02-03-08, 22:52
FWIW, I was in the LE section when it happened and it was very clearly a gunshot ... some folks have reported it was a gun falling down or something.
Spoke to a friend at H&K (they're right next to FN) and according to him, a police officer decided to show someone at FN something about his pistol and ... >>BOOM<< ...
It was a loaded weapon brought from outside the show being handled by someone who clearly doesn't understand that whole "trigger finger off the trigger" thing ... life is hard.
So far that is basically what I heard as well. A cop had a ND.
Jay Cunningham
02-03-08, 22:55
He must have been the "only one professional enough" to handle it.
YukonGlocker
02-03-08, 23:14
I want a factory SW barrel.
They use the factory S&W barrel.
Didnt see anyone post a Colt update, so here it is:
1911 guns are coming back, including a 10mm Delta Elite.
Colt 6940 was on display.
I want a factory SW barrel.
There were some on display. It will be a limited availability item.
Didnt see anyone post a Colt update, so here it is:
Colt 6940 was on display.
I did a Google search and found nothing, what is the 6940 model?
I did a Google search and found nothing, what is the 6940 model?
Thats funny stuff right there. :D
So far that is basically what I heard as well. A cop had a ND.
Actually, that's not quite right. Was an FN adjunct, who decided to carry a 5.7 pistol that night for Vegas nighttime festivities. He was charging the 5.7 and the gun was a display model with the yellow tag in the trigger guard. That got it bound up. Gun was duh, live, and Boom. Guy could be a cop, but it wasn't a cop from outside the show.
John_Wayne777
02-04-08, 09:31
Seems like the Colt Double Eagle is making a comeback:
http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2008/Day1/DSC02147.jpg
A 5.7 AR upper:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c232/Thajor/Shot%20Show%202008/IMG_0007.jpg
Civvie legal KRISS carbine:
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh70/NVHTF/SHOT/S5030917.jpg
Seems like the Colt Double Eagle is making a comeback:
or a Colt LDA. :)
I heard one report that the M&P 9L will be available within 30 days. Or at least, it's ready to be available within 30 days. Something like that. Expect it to cost $30-50 more than a standard 9. The 9PS has a Performance Center sear pack in addition to the fiber front and target rear sights, tuned for about 4-4.5 lbs. No hard release date, but according to the rep I talked to (not going to put a lot of faith in what he said) looks like May for that gun.
The 45 midsize and 45 compact both have production serial numbers, indicating they are less than 90 days out.
Fingered the 14 rd 45 mag. Don't get too excited. Sticks out like a G17 mag in a G26. Not my cup o'tea. Asked about mag price drop, rep (that I don't believe) said pricing for mags was NOT coming down. I think he may just not be up to speed.
I saw the 308 Masada, and yeah, imagine a Masada (sorry, ACR) with a 308 mag in it and boom there ya go. No luck on caliber conversions anytime in the next year or so, assuming they make their 3Q release target.
LMT piston uppers and guns are at the end of the development cycle. They started taking orders here and according to Angela, they are NLT 16 weeks out. Price for the conversion only (retail) is around 675. Complete uppers are in the 1400 range.
The Woolrich elite line, contrary to what I had been told from a few dealers, is not going away. I, for one, am glad to hear this.
Saw the S&W sight pusher for the M&P. Availability is NOW. $120-140, does front AND rear sights. Will not work for the front sight on a 9L though. I will be calling MGW today to get one. ETA called MGW today and they won't sell direct. Have to buy from S&W or anothewr distributor type. Orders are going out now.
Price on the Colt Delta Elite is in the 800-900 range.
DD said a 9" Omega and 12" Omega are coming. They have a prototype 12 at the show and it looks good. I will be buying a couple of Omega 7s today (Thank you New York Giants!).
Gotta run.
He must have been the "only one professional enough" to handle it.
I still laugh my ass off to this day when I see that video. Bwahaha!:p
Tspeis
Tag to see if LaRue was wheeled out in a straight jacket!
Tag to see if LaRue was wheeled out in a straight jacket!
That is funny.
What are my buddies from GA up to? Haven't seen anything from them yet.
Actually, that's not quite right. Was an FN adjunct, who decided to carry a 5.7 pistol that night for Vegas nighttime festivities. He was charging the 5.7 and the gun was a display model with the yellow tag in the trigger guard. That got it bound up. Gun was duh, live, and Boom. Guy could be a cop, but it wasn't a cop from outside the show.
Well somebody (like FN) didn't follow the rule about not having a firing pin in their gun or have a shortened firing pin. When I had two guns on display at the SHOT show, I had to provide and install shortened pins.
John_Wayne777
02-04-08, 14:16
Serves him right for carrying a 5.7.....
olds442tyguy
02-04-08, 15:35
308 ACR/Massoud uses SR25 pattern magazines. Sadly, the magazine in the display rifle is not made by Magpul. The rifle is beautiful, and supposedly Magpul didn't sell Bushmaster the rights to the 308 model?
Bushmaster will be selling SBR ACR's to civilians, but they made it an incredible pain in the ass.
The ACR's are purple, and supposedly Bushmaster has been getting complaints about the charging handle being too close to the top rail.
Aside from their HP's, you can now get any FN pistol in FDE. (I'll take an FDE FNP-9.)
FN is also showing US made civilian SCAR's. Apparently they won't be offered in black at all.
Steyr USA is showing US made AUG A3's with US made receivers. No BS this year, it looks like Steyr is serious about getting US civilians some Steyr made AUG's. That sucks for some people though.
HK didn't have any production US EBR's on display.
EOTech has a new model with an integrated laser.
Someone who has yet to be named is offering a $300 drop in piston kit for AR15's. Only saw it mentioned once, and they didn't post a name.
Trijicon introduced yet another reflex optic very few people will want, but apparently couldn't get us a new reticle in the TR21.
Steyr USA is showing US made AUG A3's with US made receivers. No BS this year, it looks like Steyr is serious about getting US civilians some Steyr made AUG's. That sucks for some people though.
They give any insight as to when and how much?
308 ACR/Massoud uses SR25 pattern magazines. Sadly, the magazine in the display rifle is not made by Magpul. The rifle is beautiful, and supposedly Magpul didn't sell Bushmaster the rights to the 308 model?
Bushmaster will be selling SBR ACR's to civilians, but they made it an incredible pain in the ass.
The ACR's are purple, and supposedly Bushmaster has been getting complaints about the charging handle being too close to the top rail.
Aside from their HP's, you can now get any FN pistol in FDE. (I'll take an FDE FNP-9.)
FN is also showing US made civilian SCAR's. Apparently they won't be offered in black at all.
Steyr USA is showing US made AUG A3's with US made receivers. No BS this year, it looks like Steyr is serious about getting US civilians some Steyr made AUG's. That sucks for some people though.
HK didn't have any production US EBR's on display.
EOTech has a new model with an integrated laser.
Someone who has yet to be named is offering a $300 drop in piston kit for AR15's. Only saw it mentioned once, and they didn't post a name.
Trijicon introduced yet another reflex optic very few people will want, but apparently couldn't get us a new reticle in the TR21.
Could that be OPS-416 Gas Piston conversion kit?
Look at it this way- you take an obscure round and make it work in a very popular firearm and it has year potential to move out of obscurity.
I would only do that in an SBR and even then it's pushing silliness. The idea is great but the end result leaves a little to be desired.
Voodoochild
02-04-08, 16:12
Has Larue unveiled his line of suppressors yet? What about 5.45 uppers and where are all the pics? I know one of you jokers out there have to be taking pics!!!
olds442tyguy
02-04-08, 16:28
Could that be OPS-416 Gas Piston conversion kit?
I think that's it. Know any info about it?
They give any insight as to when and how much?
I'm not at SHOT, so unfortunately I don't know. Just spreading word I hadn't seen posted here yet.
Also, apprently Trijicon did put in a reticle upgrade to the Accupoints. Supposedly it's some weird crosshair/dot design, so I'm anxious to hear more about it.
What about the Larue lower? It looks similar to the SMOS but with the Larue logo.
olds442tyguy
02-04-08, 16:44
Oh, don't know how I forgot this.
Norinco has set up a US factory and will be offering M14's, AK's, and 1911's at the least.
You don't want to talk to Ciener unless your up for a ass chewing
i got along great with him last time i was at knob creek he enjoyed to talk though :confused:
Nathan_Bell
02-04-08, 16:50
i got along great with him last time i was at knob creek he enjoyed to talk though :confused:
You are a first then, or they have him on Prozac. Everyone that I know who has ever spoken to says he is an ass, and one of them has known him for 20+ years!
Oh, don't know how I forgot this.
Norinco has set up a US factory and will be offering M14's, AK's, and 1911's at the least.
A Chinese company is outsourcing MFG to the US? You know we buy a lot of guns for that to happen!
A 5.7 AR upper? Why??
No, it's a handgun.
olds442tyguy
02-04-08, 17:01
Oh, ARMS is making a new rail system that looks decent. It's not SIR'ish at all, and even has T-marks. The rails still have that lengthwise extremely not cool, non MIL SPEC cut in them that leaves about a thousand more edges to scuff your hands on and rip apart a soft case.
The rail system is called the Spartan. :rolleyes:
I did a Google search and found nothing, what is the 6940 model?
1 piece upper.
What about the Larue lower? It looks similar to the SMOS but with the Larue logo.
It is SMOS MFG'ed. Even has SMOS name/address on it.
Post Deleted based upon mutual misunderstanding. Have a good one.
No, it's a handgun.
Looks like a rifle to me.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c232/Thajor/Shot%20Show%202008/IMG_0007.jpg
Glad I could be entertaining for you. I see you are as helpful here as you are elsewhere on the errornet. That said, if it is "funny" what am I missing? He stated the model number, I asked a question, seems pretty to the point to me.
Colt doesnt seem to ever really bring out anything new, year after year. I thought you were being sarcastic towards Colt. :rolleyes: Sorry, wont make that mistake again.
As for being helpful, I've done my fair share, and continue to do so when I can. In fact, I usually bend over backwards to help someone when they need it. I have developed a much lower tolerance as of late for assinine stupidity, asshatery, and pompous arrogance. Since you brought it up, want to be specific as to where and how I havent been helpful?
1 piece upper.
Thanks Renegade.
Colt doesnt seem to ever really bring out anything new, year after year. I thought you were being sarcastic towards Colt. :rolleyes: Sorry, wont make that mistake again.
Nope, I've given up being sarcastic with Colt. I can live with them getting the gear overseas in lieu of our hands, they need it more... for now.
As for being helpful, I've done my fair share, and continue to do so when I can. In fact, I usually bend over backwards to help someone when they need it. I have developed a much lower tolerance as of late for assinine stupidity, asshatery, and pompous arrogance. Since you brought it up, want to be specific as to where and how I havent been helpful?
I appologize bro. I misunderstood your posts' intent as you did mine. In light of your reply my initial response is voided. I am on Day 4 of whatever this damn Flu/Fever bug is that is going around and just stopped smoking a week ago so I am a little "irritable" to say the least lol. I hope there is a defining moment where the nicotene loses its' grasp! I share the same sentiment towards the "assinine stupidity, asshatery, and pompous arrogance" as You so there is no beef here. Simple misunderstanding. Have a good one.
Thanks Renegade.
No problem, also 1:7, 16 barrel, etc. Basically it was a 6920 with 1 piece, railed.
Short answers before because I was mobile.
No problem, also 1:7, 16 barrel, etc. Basically it was a 6920 with 1 piece, railed.
Short answers before because I was mobile.
If I may ask, what is the main benefit of a one piece upper receiver? Would I be correct in assuming that it offers essentially the same advantages as a typical free float setup would?
It is SMOS MFG'ed. Even has SMOS name/address on it.
Who is SMOS?
NCPatrolAR
02-04-08, 20:23
I heard one report that the M&P 9L will be available within 30 days. Or at least, it's ready to be available within 30 days. Something like that. Expect it to cost $30-50 more than a standard 9. The 9PS has a Performance Center sear pack in addition to the fiber front and target rear sights, tuned for about 4-4.5 lbs. No hard release date, but according to the rep I talked to (not going to put a lot of faith in what he said) looks like May for that gun.
Think I'd rather get a normal 9L and send it to Burwell for histrigger job. Maybe slap some Straight 8s on there is Heinie ever gets them made.
Fingered the 14 rd 45 mag. Don't get too excited. Sticks out like a G17 mag in a G26. Not my cup o'tea. Asked about mag price drop, rep (that I don't believe) said pricing for mags was NOT coming down. I think he may just not be up to speed.
Anyone have a picture of these yet? I think they would best be used for obvious overt carry roles (warrant services as an example).
Who is SMOS?
Stubborn Mule Outdoor Supply (http://www.smosarms.com/zencart/), the only photo I have been able to locate is on TOS under their SHOT 2008 "coverage."
Who is SMOS?
Here's their site: http://www.smosarms.com/zencart/
what do you guys think, with surplus 5.45 7N6 running like $129 per 1,000 rounds, does a 5.45 AR upper interest you at all?? :confused:
I would buy two of them as soon as they come out
I am sure that 5.7 AR15 upper will make a lot of people happy, myself I am waiting for the PS90 in 5.56mm. .22 Hornet would be cool too.
shooter521
02-04-08, 21:11
Someone who has yet to be named is offering a $300 drop in piston kit for AR15's. Only saw it mentioned once, and they didn't post a name.
http://www.gunblast.com/SHOT_2008_2.htm
http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2008/Day2/Thumbs/DSC02257.jpg
Primary Weapons Systems offers a gas-piston conversion on a customer's AR-15 for a very reasonable $399, including shipping.
SIG 556 pistol at SHOT. Found the PIC on another site.
http://lundestudio.com/2008SHOTShow/Day3/sig-556-pistol.jpg
I'll be buying one, if SIG actually produces it!
SIG 556 pistol at SHOT. Found the PIC on another site.
I'll be buying one, if SIG actually produces it!
I keep hearing rumors of Sig 556's in 6.8mm SPC planned for future production. We see these cool SBR models at SHOT, but I wonder if Sig actually plans to produce them? If they made an SBR model available in 6.8, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Tspeis
Does that SIG 556 pistol count as an AOW with the VFG on it?
Does that SIG 556 pistol count as an AOW with the VFG on it?
Only if it were less than 26" in length.
Found this on another site too. Karh's new Tommy Gun pistol. Original length 10" barrel, with horizontal foregrip, that doesn't classify as an AOW. (It would if it had the vertical foregrip installed, with that barrel length.)
http://gunblast.com/images/SHOT2008/Day2/DSC02263.jpg
I am sure that 5.7 AR15 upper will make a lot of people happy, myself I am waiting for the PS90 in 5.56mm. .22 Hornet would be cool too.
Magpul had a prototype PDW in 5.56 that looks just like a PS90.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2217/2239413509_df0d1a2316.jpg
Just in case we missed these. Some sample pictures of this years shot show.
http://www.gunshowreview.com/
http://www.gunblast.com/SHOT_2008_1.htm
http://lundestudio.com/2008SHOTShow/
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/bshnt2015/th_IMG_2317-1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v606/bshnt2015/?action=view¤t=402e32c9.pbw)
Some more pics to follow
Magpul had a prototype PDW in 5.56 that looks just like a PS90.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2217/2239413509_df0d1a2316.jpg
That's old. It was there last year but just a broken mockup.
I am sure that 5.7 AR15 upper will make a lot of people happy, myself I am waiting for the PS90 in 5.56mm. .22 Hornet would be cool too.
We are hoping for a 5.45 upper.
I don't think 5.56 would fit too nicely in a PS90 but I'm uncertain as to the OAL of the two cartridges.
SIG 556 pistol at SHOT. Found the PIC on another site.
http://lundestudio.com/2008SHOTShow/Day3/sig-556-pistol.jpg
I'll be buying one, if SIG actually produces it!
That's a pistol and therefore an AOW as it definitely looks to be under 26".
olds442tyguy
02-04-08, 23:20
The ACR is getting a 1/7 twist barrel. :)
Weight for a 14.5" comes in at 7.4 pounds. Drake said their would be weight added by the time they got ready for production, and this is approximately .7 pounds heavier. Heavier than an M4, but lighter than a 416, and about the same as a SCAR.
Anyone check out the leupold prismatic 1x14 scopes?
Can BUIS be used with them?
Found this on another site too. Karh's new Tommy Gun pistol. Original length 10" barrel, with horizontal foregrip, that doesn't classify as an AOW. (It would if it had the vertical foregrip installed, with that barrel length.)
http://gunblast.com/images/SHOT2008/Day2/DSC02263.jpg
Will it take a shoulder stock?
I'm not sure if Kahr machined the buttstock slide cut's on the rear of the trigger housing for the '21/28 removable buttstock. Would be a nice setup to go from a pistol to a rifle with a quick change barrel which is definitely possible with Thompson's. There are at least two individuals that offer the quick change barrel modification's for Thompson's.
My return flight from Vegas arrived at 12:45am local time and our bags didn't hit the carousel until 2am :eek: I'm a bit wiped out but will post some comments and photos later. Best thing I saw? Magpul's collapsible PDW, some various ACOGs I hadn't seen before, a Krebs 12" Saiga 12-gauge. And I was impressed by the GSG-5 22LR.
Overall, I was overwhelmed by the sheer size and variety of product, but underwhelmed by the "country fair" atmosphere that the show is turning into. There is some real crap on display.
I gotta give a big thumbs up to the guys at LaRue. They are quality people who treat shooters right. Not sure why Arsenal is the only gun manufacturer who has "DO NOT HANDLE WEAPONS" signs all over their booth.
Jay Cunningham
02-05-08, 08:19
Not sure why Arsenal is the only gun manufacturer who has "DO NOT HANDLE WEAPONS" signs all over their booth.
It's a Bulgarian thing. Those people are grouchy.
Seems like overall this one was a bit of a letdown. The big news was just that, news (Bushmaster/Masada, FN selling to public, etc.)
I've seen pictures all over the 'net of the Kel-Tec .308 (there last year) the Bushmaster/Masada (there last year), the Magpul PDW (there last year), etc.
This was supposed to be the year of the throwlever mount, yet I haven't seen pic one related to this. Did ADM even have a booth? DD evidently didn't get theirs ready in time? Anyone see any of the new factory mounts from Aimpoint?
Maybe it's because I was at '07 and not at '08, but this year I haven't seen anything to get excited about that I wasn't already excited about from last year.
I'm surprised that there don't appear to be any detailed pics of the Larue lower. If they incorporate the magwell on the Magpul lower, and it's not $500 plus for a stripped one, I might actually buy one.
SinnFéinM1911
02-05-08, 08:55
Noveske's new Adjustable Gas Block is the HEAT !
Noveske's new Adjustable Gas Block is the HEAT !
Good point.
So there's one.
:D
http://http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/bshnt2015/th_IMG_2191.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v606/bshnt2015/?action=view¤t=b22953c4.pbw) Very cool products from Magpul:)
Oh, don't know how I forgot this.
Norinco has set up a US factory and will be offering M14's, AK's, and 1911's at the least.
Awesome. I regret passing on cheap Norincos and Polys in the late 90s maybe Ill get a chance for another for less than 1500. I could go for a 800 M14 type
SIG 556 pistol at SHOT. Found the PIC on another site.
http://lundestudio.com/2008SHOTShow/Day3/sig-556-pistol.jpg
I'll be buying one, if SIG actually produces it!
Thats hot!
I agree with Rob_S that it seems like a lot of the SHOT news isn't new, it's just updates (some better than others) on things that have already been announced: SCAR, Masada/ACR, HK 416/417, HK 45C, etc etc. YMMV.
Rob, there are pics of the LaRue lower on TOS. Seems to be made by SMOS (?), and someone in the thread says the lowers will only be sold with uppers, not by themselves?
Anyone hear anything new from LWRC?
Will
I want a .308 rifle and the 2 that I'm leaning are the LWRC and DT SRS...similar to a DSR-1.
It's a Bulgarian thing. Those people are grouchy.
I asked them to start making 5.45 rifles again, FWIW.
Where was the Noveske gas block on display?
Rmplstlskn
02-05-08, 09:29
Yawwwnnnn..... Did I miss anything... :p
Rmpl
Nathan_Bell
02-05-08, 09:34
I asked them to start making 5.45 rifles again, FWIW.
Where was the Noveske gas block on display?
There is thread on TOS http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=124&t=361361
with info on it
Not sure why Arsenal is the only gun manufacturer who has "DO NOT HANDLE WEAPONS" signs all over their booth.
Perhaps they were afraid the finishes would rub off?
Not sure why Arsenal is the only gun manufacturer who has "DO NOT HANDLE WEAPONS" signs all over their booth.
Did you notice those were hand-scribbled signs? Did you notice they were not there on day 1? I imagine after enough people dropped them, they put up the signs. Yes, it is stupid to have wall-mounted guns at a show, instead of table mounted, so they were asking for trouble.
I'm surprised that there don't appear to be any detailed pics of the Larue lower.
There was nothing special about it. They do not even make it themselves.
Supposedly there are 2 versions of the 9mm on display.
One with standard sights and one with FO front/serrated rear sights.
Here is the M&P9L:
http://sigforum.com/movedimages/para/SHOT08/sw_m_and_p.jpg
There are two versions. The model with Tritium sights has their standard trigger while the model with a fiber optic model has a 3.5lbs trigger.
C4
Did the guys at Smith make any mention of the 14 rnd MP45 mags and/or M&Ps in FDE with no thumb safety?
I think I'll be getting one of the MP9Ls before one of the MP45Ms; though I will own both by the end of the year (as long as they are produced by then)
The 14rd 45 mags was a mistake. They will be 12rds.
They are not making a TS less FDE 45.
C4
Anybody know the details about the Negligent discharge?
Heard something about arrest?
Was at the FN booth. Guy picked up a pistol off the rack, inserted mag and chambered a round. All guys have a yellow safety tag in front of the trigger. The guy did not remove the tag and inserted the weapon into his bag. The tag grabbed something and it pulled the trigger.
C4
There was nothing special about it. They do not even make it themselves.
I was just wondering if the magwell looked anything like the one on the Magpul billet lower. That magwell was the only thing that interested me about the Magpul lower.
I heard one report that the M&P 9L will be available within 30 days. Or at least, it's ready to be available within 30 days. Something like that. Expect it to cost $30-50 more than a standard 9. The 9PS has a Performance Center sear pack in addition to the fiber front and target rear sights, tuned for about 4-4.5 lbs. No hard release date, but according to the rep I talked to (not going to put a lot of faith in what he said) looks like May for that gun.
The 45 midsize and 45 compact both have production serial numbers, indicating they are less than 90 days out.
Fingered the 14 rd 45 mag. Don't get too excited. Sticks out like a G17 mag in a G26. Not my cup o'tea. Asked about mag price drop, rep (that I don't believe) said pricing for mags was NOT coming down. I think he may just not be up to speed.
I saw the 308 Masada, and yeah, imagine a Masada (sorry, ACR) with a 308 mag in it and boom there ya go. No luck on caliber conversions anytime in the next year or so, assuming they make their 3Q release target.
LMT piston uppers and guns are at the end of the development cycle. They started taking orders here and according to Angela, they are NLT 16 weeks out. Price for the conversion only (retail) is around 675. Complete uppers are in the 1400 range.
The Woolrich elite line, contrary to what I had been told from a few dealers, is not going away. I, for one, am glad to hear this.
Saw the S&W sight pusher for the M&P. Availability is NOW. $120-140, does front AND rear sights. Will not work for the front sight on a 9L though. I will be calling MGW today to get one. ETA called MGW today and they won't sell direct. Have to buy from S&W or anothewr distributor type. Orders are going out now.
Price on the Colt Delta Elite is in the 800-900 range.
DD said a 9" Omega and 12" Omega are coming. They have a prototype 12 at the show and it looks good. I will be buying a couple of Omega 7s today (Thank you New York Giants!).
Gotta run.
We will be stocking the S&W site pusher so you can get one from us.
C4
Has Larue unveiled his line of suppressors yet? What about 5.45 uppers and where are all the pics? I know one of you jokers out there have to be taking pics!!!
They are ot getting into the can market.
C4
What about the Larue lower? It looks similar to the SMOS but with the Larue logo.
SMOS is making them for LT. They will ONLY be available direct from SMOS and apparently can only get one if you buy a LT complete upper.
C4
Was at the FN booth. Guy picked up a pistol off the rack, inserted mag and chambered a round. All guys have a yellow safety tag in front of the trigger. The guy did not remove the tag and inserted the weapon into his bag. The tag grabbed something and it pulled the trigger.
C4
WTF? I missed that. When (day/time). Shit I was ther 24/7 it seemed, but I did not hear it.
Tagged guns were supposedto have FPs removed, so even if live rounds were put in, they would not work.
Seems like overall this one was a bit of a letdown. The big news was just that, news (Bushmaster/Masada, FN selling to public, etc.)
I've seen pictures all over the 'net of the Kel-Tec .308 (there last year) the Bushmaster/Masada (there last year), the Magpul PDW (there last year), etc.
This was supposed to be the year of the throwlever mount, yet I haven't seen pic one related to this. Did ADM even have a booth? DD evidently didn't get theirs ready in time? Anyone see any of the new factory mounts from Aimpoint?
Maybe it's because I was at '07 and not at '08, but this year I haven't seen anything to get excited about that I wasn't already excited about from last year.
I'm surprised that there don't appear to be any detailed pics of the Larue lower. If they incorporate the magwell on the Magpul lower, and it's not $500 plus for a stripped one, I might actually buy one.
ADM did not have a booth, but their products were all over Shot Show (VLTOR, Tango Down, Colt, etc).
Saw the Aimpoint lever for the micro (the mount will retail for under $40). SF has a new throw lever mount in their catalog, but not on display anywhere (strange). DD did not show their throw lever. Another company (that I had never heard of) showed an all steel ACOG mount (high quality IMHO). Will get more intel on it later.
C4
Noveske's new Adjustable Gas Block is the HEAT !
Agree!
C4
WTF? I missed that. When (day/time). Shit I was ther 24/7 it seemed, but I did not hear it.
Tagged guns were supposedto have FPs removed, so even if live rounds were put in, they would not work.
I believe that it happened on Saturday as shot was closing for the day. The officer put a firing pin into the weapon.
C4
ADM did not have a booth, but their products were all over Shot Show (VLTOR, Tango Down, Colt, etc).
I did notice the lever on the Colt light/laser appeared to be ADM.
WTF? I missed that. When (day/time). Shit I was ther 24/7 it seemed, but I did not hear it.
Tagged guns were supposedto have FPs removed, so even if live rounds were put in, they would not work.
Thinking about it, maybe I did hear it. Monday around 1030. I was on the far side by the grill, it was muffled from that distance, I thought it was gun shot but then assumed it was a door breaching demo which is also very loud bang sound.
I believe that it happened on Saturday as shot was closing for the day. The officer put a firing pin into the weapon.
C4
OK thanks, maybe I did not hear it then.
Ok, am in the VEGAS airport on my way back home. Here are some initial thoughts.
This shot seemed to be a little lacking in new "COOL" stuff IMHO. Some of the best things shown were just from people walking around. Here are some things that I like a lot:
1. Noveske adjustable gas block (with three settings).
2. Drop in gas piston system (available now) for $499.
3. Another drop in or pinned in piston system with gas being pushed out forward like the HK system.
Cool things shown at booths:
1. VLTOR offset light mount.
2. VLTOR new pistol (bren ten).
3. Magpul new XT panels.
4. Magpul Glock carbine that uses Glock barrel/mag and folds up into a perfect square and looks NOTHING like a gun!
5. BM/Magpul ACR (no I didn't burst into flames when I stepped into their booth).
6. Tango Down Polymer AR mag
7. Tango Down Vertical Grip with an American Defense throw lever mount (yes the wait is finally over for this).
8. SureFire E1B (like the L1, but cheaper).
9. SureFire X400L
10. SureFire E2D (LED), 6PL (defender).
11. SureFire M93 throw lever.
12. SureFire UA2 Optimus (strobe light wth a power reader built in).
13. Crimson Trace grips for compact M&P's.
14. A tubular fed shotgun in a bullpup layout (this will be a huge sucess IMHO).
15. GSG-5
16. Gemtech GSG-5 can a nd adaptor so you can bring the threads up to 1/2X28.
17. LMT gas piston MRP
18. Charles D. LE AR-15's llooked good.
More later and pics.
C4
Did you notice those were hand-scribbled signs? Did you notice they were not there on day 1? I imagine after enough people dropped them, they put up the signs. Yes, it is stupid to have wall-mounted guns at a show, instead of table mounted, so they were asking for trouble.
It's unprofessional for a trade show. One could go handle $20k boutique custom shotguns without asking for permission or any other hassles. If RAAC imported converted Saigas, Arsenal might sing a different tune.
It's unprofessional for a trade show. One could go handle $20k boutique custom shotguns without asking for permission or any other hassles. If RAAC imported converted Saigas, Arsenal might sing a different tune.
I agree. Guns at shows like this are DEMO models and wear and tear on them is part of the cost of the show. 10s of thousands of people are going to handle them over the year(s), and that is that.
Every year the LTW booth have at least a couple dozen of full house custom 1911s, some priced around $5000 or more. Those guns either already have an owner (bought and paid for) or for sale. Anyone can asked the 'smiths manning the booth to let them handle the pistols.
If these gun companies don't want their guns handled, they shouldn't have brought them. That's similar to gunshow firearms with the "no handling" signs. I won't even consider buying those guns.
As I looked through the nearly deserted Les Baer booth, we came across a flyer for a $90 book entitled Les Baer: A Legend in His Own Time. I kid you not, and will have to dig up the flyer and post a pic.
What's that line from Clint Eastwood- a legend in his own mind?
rubberneck
02-05-08, 14:38
As I looked through the nearly deserted Les Baer booth, we came across a flyer for a $90 book entitled Les Baer: A Legend in His Own Time. I kid you not, and will have to dig up the flyer and post a pic.
What's that line from Clint Eastwood- a legend in his own mind?
It's on the Les Baer website. Apparently Les thinks very highly of himself. Personally there are four gunsmiths in the state of Illinois that I would rather have build me a gun than Les. His guns are nice but not the be all, end all of the 1911 world.
As I looked through the nearly deserted Les Baer booth, we came across a flyer for a $90 book entitled Les Baer: A Legend in His Own Time. I kid you not, and will have to dig up the flyer and post a pic.
What's that line from Clint Eastwood- a legend in his own mind?
I don't know what's more outrageous, the title or the price.
As I looked through the nearly deserted Les Baer booth, we came across a flyer for a $90 book entitled Les Baer: A Legend in His Own Time. I kid you not, and will have to dig up the flyer and post a pic.
What's that line from Clint Eastwood- a legend in his own mind?
I love it! I love guys who take themselves that seriously. I wonder if he charges to sign a copy? :p
I'm glad I sold the only Baer gun I owned to fund the purchase a gun built by a true legend and war hero, Larry Vickers.
LMT piston uppers and guns are at the end of the development cycle. They started taking orders here and according to Angela, they are NLT 16 weeks out. Price for the conversion only (retail) is around 675. Complete uppers are in the 1400 range.
LMT also had an AR upper qd (2 screws) bbl change system.
Following on C4's comments, I would add,
1. Barrett's REC7 6.8mm
2. Magpul's 308
3. HK 417
4. Magpul's tricked out Glock box G17
5. Walther PPS
6. Sig 556 folding stock
7. FN 45 pistol
8. HK 45
9. Magpul multi color panels
10. Ashbury International long range rilfes
I've always love the Winchester 92 and Cimarron's "El Dorado" big loop carbine
was very nice.:)
I don't want to turn this into a Baer bashing thread, but here is a link to the book for those who are interested and/or want a good laugh.
http://www.lesbaer.com/book.html
Back on topic.....I will post some pictures of a chopped Krebs Saiga 12-gauge at RAAC's booth.
Ok, am in the VEGAS airport on my way back home. Here are some initial thoughts.
This shot seemed to be a little lacking in new "COOL" stuff IMHO. Some of the best things shown were just from people walking around. Here are some things that I like a lot:
1. Noveske adjustable gas block (with three settings).
2. Drop in gas piston system (available now) for $499.
3. Another drop in or pinned in piston system with gas being pushe out forward like the HK system.
Cool things shown at booths:
1. VLTOR offset light mount.
2. VLTOR new pistol (bren ten).
3. Magpul new XT panels.
4. Magpul Glock carbine that uses Glock barrel/mag and folds up into a perfect square and looks NOTHING like a gun!
5. BM/Magpul ACR (no I didn't burst into flames when I stepped into their booth).
6. Tango Down Polymer AR mag
7. Tango Down Vertical Grip with an American Defense throw lever mount (yes the wait is finally over for this).
8. SureFire E1B (like the L1, but cheaper).
9. SureFire X400L
10. SureFire E2D (LED), 6PL (defender).
11. SureFire M93 throw lever.
12. SureFire UA2 Optimus (strobe light wth a power reader built in).
13. Crimson Trace grips for compact M&P's.
14. A tubular fed shotgun in a bullpup layout (this will be a huge sucess IMHO).
15. GSG-5
16. Gemtech GSG-5 can a nd adaptor so you can bring the threads up to 1/2X28.
17. LMT gas piston MRP
18. Charles D. LE AR-15's llooked good.
More later and pics.
C4
Grant,
Got any pictures of these?:
6. Tango Down Polymer AR mag
7. Tango Down Vertical Grip with an American Defense throw lever mount (yes the wait is finally over for this).
11. SureFire M93 throw lever.
17. LMT gas piston MRP
Cyrus
NinjaMedic
02-05-08, 18:17
Any details on the bullpup pump shotgun? Manufacturer, model, website, photos?
As I looked through the nearly deserted Les Baer booth, we came across a flyer for a $90 book entitled Les Baer: A Legend in His Own Time. I kid you not, and will have to dig up the flyer and post a pic.
What's that line from Clint Eastwood- a legend in his own mind?
"It ain't bragging if you can do it." - Dizzy Dean
John_Wayne777
02-05-08, 18:37
I don't want to turn this into a Baer bashing thread,
Good, because Les Baer made my pet 1911 and if you keep that sort of thing up.....I am going to give you ***SUCH*** a pinch!!!
Jay Cunningham
02-05-08, 18:40
Good, because Les Baer made my pet 1911 and if you keep that sort of thing up.....I am going to give you ***SUCH*** a pinch!!!
Did he make your chrome Beretta too?
SinnFéinM1911
02-05-08, 19:05
I'm pretty stoked about the new FN PSRs. I kind of blew through SHOT in a day an these are the only "must buy" for me.
Before you blow up Google trying to track down the PSR, it's a .308 Win FN pre-64 model 70 type action with a medium weight barrel and a factory McMillan stock. It also has a chrome-lined bore and fluting. I see it as an ideal out of the box general purpose bolt gun.
Does anyone have retail pricing and availability information on these?
i my know a guy...
http://http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/bshnt2015/th_af171c57.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v606/bshnt2015/?action=view¤t=af171c57.pbr)
Just for fun:p
LMT also had an AR upper qd (2 screws) bbl change system.
Would that be the 3 year old MRP you were looking at? :p
i really dont get the point of the glock it looks silly, and what function does it really serve
John_Wayne777
02-05-08, 19:51
Did he make your chrome Beretta too?
Hey...don't hate on a brotha' because he rocks a chrome plated Beretta. Big Sexy has to have a gat with some style....
That's how I roll, yo.
Besides.....HDI, playa.....HDI.
* HDI : Hoes Dig It
Jay Cunningham
02-05-08, 20:05
It does shoot like a fricken' laser.
http://http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/bshnt2015/th_af171c57.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v606/bshnt2015/?action=view¤t=af171c57.pbr)
Just for fun:p
:D That's an old idea.... I had a radio back in the '70's (I was born in '68) that unfolded into a carbine.
The good old days.
http://www.serioustoyz.com/OptiArt/auctionart/WINTER'05AUCTIONLARGE/gunCBagentzeromL.jpg
John- it's like a concept car at the auto show. It might not end up in your hands one day but it might spur some important technology that you will find useful. Besides, who says it isn't useful?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gc1j9ySbFKw
This was on youtube. That's Rich from Magpul showing off the Glock box.
Hey where can I buy that radio : )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYqHe7-zKAc&NR=1
The 14rd 45 mags was a mistake. They will be 12rds.
I saw, handled, and photographed the 14rd mag at SHOT. It wasn't on general display but I got to play with one of Ernest Langdon's well-used 14rd M&45 mags during a meeting with him and the Smith pistol product manager.
Once I figure out where my wife hid the cable to transfer pics from her camera to the computer, I'll post them. :cool:
You know, I just about think I'd rather them be 12 rnds instead of 14.
I did notice the lever on the Colt light/laser appeared to be ADM.
Correct.
C4
Grant,
Got any pictures of these?:
6. Tango Down Polymer AR mag
7. Tango Down Vertical Grip with an American Defense throw lever mount (yes the wait is finally over for this).
11. SureFire M93 throw lever.
17. LMT gas piston MRP
Cyrus
Yes on the MRP an the M93 is in the new SF catalog (they had none their for handling).
The TD Mag was not fully finished so no pics and some goes for the TD grip with the ADM mount.
C4
Any details on the bullpup pump shotgun? Manufacturer, model, website, photos?
Will get some stuff up later.
C4
I saw, handled, and photographed the 14rd mag at SHOT. It wasn't on general display but I got to play with one of Ernest Langdon's well-used 14rd M&45 mags during a meeting with him and the Smith pistol product manager.
Once I figure out where my wife hid the cable to transfer pics from her camera to the computer, I'll post them. :cool:
Oh I saw it as well. I asked S&W if they were going to ACTUALLY sell them to the public and they said no.
C4
Yes on the MRP an the M93 is in the new SF catalog (they had none their for handling).
The TD Mag was not fully finished so no pics and some goes for the TD grip with the ADM mount.
C4
Grant,
Do you you have the catalog in pdf. format? surefire hasn't put it up yet on their website.
Thanks,
Cyrus
K.L. Davis
02-06-08, 08:47
Seems like the Colt Double Eagle is making a comeback:
http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2008/Day1/DSC02147.jpg
That pistol has one of the worst triggers I have ever felt... horrible :mad:
Oh I saw it as well. I asked S&W if they were going to ACTUALLY sell them to the public and they said no.
That's news to me. I had a meeting with the military rep, fed/gov rep, and pistol product manager. They all seem to think the 14rd mag is ready to go, merely waiting for an upgraded finish they'll be applying to all their M&P mags. They even went to the trouble of explaining why the "14" witness hole is actually higher than the "13" witness hole because they feel that will be a concern to people when the mags hit the commercial market.
Joe B. (the product mgr) specifically told me it was ok to post the pics of the mag:
http://9x19mm.com/photoalbum/albums/userpics/mp45-14rdmag01.jpg
http://9x19mm.com/photoalbum/albums/userpics/mp45-14rdmag02.jpg
http://9x19mm.com/photoalbum/albums/userpics/mp45-14rdmag03.jpg
Grant,
Do you you have the catalog in pdf. format? surefire hasn't put it up yet on their website.
Thanks,
Cyrus
Nope.
C4
That's news to me. I had a meeting with the military rep, fed/gov rep, and pistol product manager. They all seem to think the 14rd mag is ready to go, merely waiting for an upgraded finish they'll be applying to all their M&P mags. They even went to the trouble of explaining why the "14" witness hole is actually higher than the "13" witness hole because they feel that will be a concern to people when the mags hit the commercial market.
Joe B. (the product mgr) specifically told me it was ok to post the pics of the mag:
http://9x19mm.com/photoalbum/albums/userpics/mp45-14rdmag01.jpg
http://9x19mm.com/photoalbum/albums/userpics/mp45-14rdmag02.jpg
http://9x19mm.com/photoalbum/albums/userpics/mp45-14rdmag03.jpg
Very interesting. My LE rep advised me just the opposite (no 14rd mags as they stick out the bottom). They even told me that there was a mis-print in my LE price sheet as they won't actually be shipping me any 14rd mags (which I did order).
So we will just have to wait and see what makes it to market.
C4
Got to my camera finally and uploaded a couple pics.
C4
Magpul Front and Rear Flip up sights
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/Magpul/Front%20BUIS%20down.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/Magpul/Front%20BUIS.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/Magpul/Rear%20BUIS.jpg
LMT Piston
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/LMT/MRP%20piston%20close%20up%20side.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/LMT/MRP%20Piston%20close%20up.jpg
Jay Cunningham
02-06-08, 16:56
Very nice pics of the MagPul BUPS.
Got any pictures of these?:
Tango Down Vertical Grip with an American Defense throw lever mount
picture posted here:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=124&t=348967&page=7
Couple of questions on the new MagPul offerings for those who were there.
-It appears the MagPul BUIS lock in the up and down positions. Is that right? Spring loaded deployment, it would seem? I'm interested in picking up at least a rear when they become available. I thought I heard projected less than $100? How do they seem to compare for weight and durability to metallic BUIS? I'm wondering if they lock in the up position and were subjected to a sharp blow how they would fair?
-I know they have been reluctant on giving release dates as of late but wondered if there was a time frame for any of their new offerings?
-Also can someone whose put "hands-on" their different stocks give us a run down of how they compare? Especially the CTR and the coming MOE stock, they appear very similar to me visually, and it seems as if they might compete against each other.
Thanks for the info from those who have shared what they saw! Wish I could have been there!
-RD62
variablebinary
02-06-08, 20:56
Two years in a row, Magpul is the Star of SHOT show. What I write next is my opinion on SHOT based upon coverage as I didnt attend.
Robarms was MIA again. I've never seen a company so eager to self-implode
FN: SCAR...bordering on vaporware, with lots of thunder stolen by the Masada/ACR. Still want one though, especially the 308. FNP 45 still looks hot
LMT...short of the 416, the only piston upper I consider mildy interesting
HK gave us no tidbits or clues about their civilian intentions, which leads me to think they dont have any
Magpul...on a roll, they can do no wrong it seems.
CP: AR15 style 7.62 Russo mags. Very nice
SIG: WTF! are these guys even considered a Teir 1 arms maker anymore. 100% lackluster
Colt: Nothing interesting
Beretta: Beretta PX4 sub compact looks very interesting
VLTOR: MUST...HAVE...BREN...TEN...
NightFighter
02-06-08, 21:08
Drop in gas piston system (available now) for $499.
Another drop in or pinned in piston system with gas being pushed out forward like the HK system.
C4
Did I miss who makes these systems ? I would like to learn more about these systems. Does anyone have a hyperlink for these systems?
wild_wild_wes
02-06-08, 21:16
Grant, what is the estimated time to get some of this new Magpul gear om your website?
I've gotta get a few of those trigger guards with the new hinging design.
Couple of questions on the new MagPul offerings for those who were there.
-It appears the MagPul BUIS lock in the up and down positions. Is that right? Spring loaded deployment, it would seem? I'm interested in picking up at least a rear when they become available. I thought I heard projected less than $100? How do they seem to compare for weight and durability to metallic BUIS? I'm wondering if they lock in the up position and were subjected to a sharp blow how they would fair?
-I know they have been reluctant on giving release dates as of late but wondered if there was a time frame for any of their new offerings?
-Also can someone whose put "hands-on" their different stocks give us a run down of how they compare? Especially the CTR and the coming MOE stock, they appear very similar to me visually, and it seems as if they might compete against each other.
Thanks for the info from those who have shared what they saw! Wish I could have been there!
-RD62
The MOE stock dosent have the friction lock, I cant really see any other differences. The stock locks up pretty tight as it is without the lock so I bet they sell alot of them.
Jay Cunningham
02-06-08, 21:38
The Colt thing is interesting.
They HAVE a design (LE1033) for a short barrel, piston driven monolitic upper with built-in folding BUIS.
And it's MIA. Supposedly they will build it if there is a "major order".
FN: SCAR...bordering on vaporware, with lots of thunder stolen by the Masada/ACR. Still want one though, especially the 308. FNP 45 still looks hot
FWIW, there was a distinct difference between the people crowding around the Masada and the ones looking at the SCAR. The first group was enthusiasts, the second group was serious buyers.
The FNP still has that ridiculous safety/decocker lever that is too easy to ride with your thumb, preventing the gun from firing.
HK gave us no tidbits or clues about their civilian intentions, which leads me to think they dont have any
HK is going to be building civvie 416's in NH once they have the HK45 rolling along. I can't recall exactly but it's going to be called SMR (sporting marksmanship rifle) or something like that. I might have the acronym wrong, I'll see if I can get any more details.
FWIW, there was a distinct difference between the people crowding around the Masada and the ones looking at the SCAR. The first group was enthusiasts, the second group was serious buyers.
I think both rifles had their fair share of enthusiasts and serious buyers. Obviously I spent more time at the Magpul booth, but I did venture over to FN once or twice to say hello and test fit the PMAG inside a production SCAR. I heard lots of side conversations comparing the SCAR to the ACR, and certainly no trash talking by any FN employees. From my experience, they seemed like a pretty helpful group of guys.
Any pics out there from the VLTOR guys?
Couple of questions on the new MagPul offerings for those who were there.
-It appears the MagPul BUIS lock in the up and down positions. Is that right? Spring loaded deployment, it would seem? I'm interested in picking up at least a rear when they become available. I thought I heard projected less than $100? How do they seem to compare for weight and durability to metallic BUIS? I'm wondering if they lock in the up position and were subjected to a sharp blow how they would fair?
-I know they have been reluctant on giving release dates as of late but wondered if there was a time frame for any of their new offerings?
-Also can someone whose put "hands-on" their different stocks give us a run down of how they compare? Especially the CTR and the coming MOE stock, they appear very similar to me visually, and it seems as if they might compete against each other.
Thanks for the info from those who have shared what they saw! Wish I could have been there!
-RD62
MBUS lock down, but not up. They are still in prototype phase, however, so voice your opinion if you feel strongly about changing that - we listen if your logic is sound.
What products do you want release dates for? I can tell you the approximate dates we gave everyone who asked at SHOT.
The difference between the MOE and CTR is that MOE does not have the friction lock or QD mount. The MOE stock is targeted more at original equipment manufacturers (OEM) as a low-cost alternative to traditional plastic AR furniture. MOE is built with the same materials/quality as the rest of the line, but doesn't offer as many features so as not to be cost prohibitive for manufacturers to include as standard items.
The MOE grip will probably replace the MIAD in my future builds because that is my ideal setup - B2 backstrap with A1 front. I don't really need the modularity since that's what I always shoot.
Jay Cunningham
02-07-08, 02:15
MBUS lock down, but not up. They are still in prototype phase, however, so voice your opinion if you feel strongly about changing that - we listen if your logic is sound.
I strongly recommend BUIS that lock when raised but not when laying flat. The idea for me is to deploy rapidly but stow with some deliberation. Also recommend a same plane aperture.
I strongly recommend BUIS that lock when raised but not when laying flat. The idea for me is to deploy rapidly but stow with some deliberation. Also recommend a same plane aperture.
The sights do deploy rapidly - you press anywhere on the front and they spring up. They're not "locked" in the sense it takes a long time to flip the sight up - it just means they're fixed in the down position until you press the button/tab.
I've heard arguments on both sides of the locking in up position issue, and they both make sense to me. Like I said - speak up now because the design isn't yet final. Thanks for the feedback.
As long as it flips completely up every time I see no reason that it needs to lock
PS: Love your signature pic
MBUS lock down, but not up. They are still in prototype phase, however, so voice your opinion if you feel strongly about changing that - we listen if your logic is sound.
What products do you want release dates for? I can tell you the approximate dates we gave everyone who asked at SHOT.
The difference between the MOE and CTR is that MOE does not have the friction lock or QD mount. The MOE stock is targeted more at original equipment manufacturers (OEM) as a low-cost alternative to traditional plastic AR furniture. MOE is built with the same materials/quality as the rest of the line, but doesn't offer as many features so as not to be cost prohibitive for manufacturers to include as standard items.
The MOE grip will probably replace the MIAD in my future builds because that is my ideal setup - B2 backstrap with A1 front. I don't really need the modularity since that's what I always shoot.
I like the locking down but not up. Allows the sight some give if bumped but will spring back up under it's own tension, a al ARMS #40. I too think I'll go with the MOE grips from now on. And thanks for the info on the MOE stock. I think I'll buy the CTR. As for release dates I'm mainly interested in the sights and P-Mag Rangers.
-RD62
The MOE stock appears not to have any sling-attachment ability at all. Is this the case? I'd like to see it at least have the horizontal slot up under the receiver extension that is found on the GI stock and the Vltor.
LonghunterCO
02-07-08, 07:15
What products do you want release dates for? I can tell you the approximate dates we gave everyone who asked at SHOT.
The MOE grip will probably replace the MIAD in my future builds because that is my ideal setup - B2 backstrap with A1 front. I don't really need the modularity since that's what I always shoot.
I will have to check how my MIADs are setup, so any projected date on the MOE grips?
SinnFéinM1911
02-07-08, 07:28
[QUOTE=variablebinary;123643]
FN: SCAR...bordering on vaporware, with lots of thunder stolen by the Masada/ACR. Still want one though, especially the 308. FNP 45 still looks hot
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Are you serious? it has not lost anything, espically in the SOCOM world. And Vaporware... POP Quiz, when was the last time a program has ever been run like this for the operators? ill give you a hint, just about as much as Febuary 30 !
Couple of questions on the new MagPul offerings for those who were there.
-It appears the MagPul BUIS lock in the up and down positions. Is that right? Spring loaded deployment, it would seem? I'm interested in picking up at least a rear when they become available. I thought I heard projected less than $100? How do they seem to compare for weight and durability to metallic BUIS? I'm wondering if they lock in the up position and were subjected to a sharp blow how they would fair?
-I know they have been reluctant on giving release dates as of late but wondered if there was a time frame for any of their new offerings?
They do not lock up. Projected price is $100 for a set of them. I do not think they will be as durable as metal ones, but think they will be fine for people that do not jump out of airplanes for a living.
No firm ETA.
-Also can someone whose put "hands-on" their different stocks give us a run down of how they compare? Especially the CTR and the coming MOE stock, they appear very similar to me visually, and it seems as if they might compete against each other.
Thanks for the info from those who have shared what they saw! Wish I could have been there!
-RD62
The MOE is a CTR without the locking system. The model between the UBR and CTR will most likely interest people because of the cost savings.
C4
Did I miss who makes these systems ? I would like to learn more about these systems. Does anyone have a hyperlink for these systems?
No you didn't as I didn't put the name down. ;)
C4
Grant, what is the estimated time to get some of this new Magpul gear om your website?
I've gotta get a few of those trigger guards with the new hinging design.
No idea. I ordered some of the new gear (or what they will let me order that is).
C4
The Colt thing is interesting.
They HAVE a design (LE1033) for a short barrel, piston driven monolitic upper with built-in folding BUIS.
And it's MIA. Supposedly they will build it if there is a "major order".
Colt has said that they have no interest in producing this unless the Govt. wants it. Meaning they cannot keep up with what they got and don't want any new weapons to build.
C4
CarlosDJackal
02-07-08, 09:26
Colt has said that they have no interest in producing this unless the Govt. wants it. Meaning they cannot keep up with what they got and don't want any new weapons to build.
C4
This is why I will probably never buy a Colt product. Not only are they sitting on their laurels and milking their name; they don't seem to put much stock on what us lowly "civilians" are asking for. JM2CW.
WTF? I missed that. When (day/time). Shit I was ther 24/7 it seemed, but I did not hear it.
Sat around 1740hrs, I heard it and had hoped it was something else. FN is lucky they weren't kicked out of the show, they violated rules of SHOT in a big way. I would guess there were some meetings and dealings that night.
This is why I will probably never buy a Colt product. Not only are they sitting on their laurels and milking their name; they don't seem to put much stock on what us lowly "civilians" are asking for. JM2CW.
Funny, I infer it as them just being too busy. Will their failure to innovate cost them in the future? Maybe so. But I don't see why this is grounds for statements like "never buy a Colt product".
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