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I'm glad it takes a real AR-10/SR-25 magazine instead of a M14 or FAL mag. Looks to be a good one.
Discuss...
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8569/attachmentgk7.jpg
Failure2Stop
02-03-08, 12:50
I'm glad it takes a real AR-10/SR-25 magazine instead of a M14 or FAL mag. Looks to be a good one.
Discuss...
It seemed to me (user, not armorer/designer) that the magazine issue is one of the big detractors of the SCAR-H. I am happy to see that MagPul/BM did not make the same mistake.
I am not sure if I like the relocated charging handle though. I guess I will need to run it to see if it actually makes any difference to me.
I find it interesting that they are leaving the gas block exposed. I would think that it would be preferable to have it covered with the HG.
Looking forward for the Masada-come-ACR family to drop into the real world.
I assume this is part of the package that Bushmaster negotiated with Magpul.
Does anyone know if it's going forward as well as the ACR? Given Busmasters poor luck with the BAR-10, I wonder if they are going to want to tread in .308 waters again.
Jay Cunningham
02-03-08, 18:21
It seemed to me (user, not armorer/designer) that the magazine issue is one of the big detractors of the SCAR-H. I am happy to see that MagPul/BM did not make the same mistake.
I am not sure if I like the relocated charging handle though. I guess I will need to run it to see if it actually makes any difference to me.
I find it interesting that they are leaving the gas block exposed. I would think that it would be preferable to have it covered with the HG.
Looking forward for the Masada-come-ACR family to drop into the real world.
Pretty much agree with your points.
RAM Engineer
02-03-08, 19:11
Like I said on the ACR question thread, that gas block needs to be pinned. Bushmaster has the capability to do that, I just hope they do.
Other than that...Wow...that is a good looking rifle.
If Magpul/Bushy do this, they need to step up and do .308 PMags.
variablebinary
02-03-08, 20:33
Very nice.
telecustom
02-03-08, 20:46
I like the ACR, but that charging handle does bother me a little bit. Will my PEQ-2 be in the way of the charging handle? It looks like the charging handle is very close to the top rail leaving very little room for the PEQ-2 mount.
Two more pictures.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/SHOT%20Show%202008/IMG_1326.jpg
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/SHOT2008/_Masada_02.jpg
Tspeis
Daayyyyyummmmm.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Funny%20stuff/BeavisandButtHead-banging.gif
olds442tyguy
02-04-08, 16:36
I've read a few issues about the ACR charging handle, but I recently saw another picture from the top and the charging handle(s) sticks out pretty far. Not far enough to be an issue, but far enough that I don't think it's clearance to the receiver would be a problem.
That said, throw in some Magpul made 308 mags and I'd have sex with that rifle. :D Good choice on the military pattern mags too.
Gunfighter13
02-04-08, 18:42
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/SHOT2008/_Masada_02.jpg
:cool: With a longer hand guard and 308 Magpul mags it would be perfect. I hope they put that gun into production. :D
I assume this is part of the package that Bushmaster negotiated with Magpul.
Drake or Richard will need to respond formally, but I do not believe the 7.62x51 is included in the Masada/ACR deal.
Like I said on the ACR question thread, that gas block needs to be pinned. Bushmaster has the capability to do that, I just hope they do.
The .308 version has a guide detent drilled for pinning it, like the 556 version is pinned. However that weapon shown is a test mule, and did not appear the have the pin in place yet.
Right behind the clamping screws there is a roll pin on the 5.56 version. Not sure any hi-res pics have shown them. I know for sure the black carbine version in the Magpul booth was pinned.
Drake or Richard will need to respond formally, but I do not believe the 7.62x51 is included in the Masada/ACR deal.
Interesting. I wonder if that means they are free to shop it around to other manufacturers.
One of the few advantages the SCAR-L had over the Masada/ACR was it's part combatibility and operation with it's big brother the -H. If there is a similar one-two punch based on the Masada, that can really change things.
Perhaps the market is small enough for the Masada-H that Magpul can move forward with the manufacturer in house.
In any case, I hope it gets off the ground.
RAM Engineer
02-04-08, 20:58
The .308 version has a guide detent drilled for pinning it, like the 556 version is pinned. However that weapon shown is a test mule, and did not appear the have the pin in place yet.
Right behind the clamping screws there is a roll pin on the 5.56 version. Not sure any hi-res pics have shown them. I know for sure the black carbine version in the Magpul booth was pinned.
Kewl...I do wish that small arms manufacturers would use bolt heads drilled for safety wire in applications that require bolts. I trust that more than loctite.
What is the barrel length of that "test mule" anyway? I'm trying to imagine how much barrel length to add for my non-SBR-friendly state.
olds442tyguy
02-04-08, 22:11
What is the barrel length of that "test mule" anyway? I'm trying to imagine how much barrel length to add for my non-SBR-friendly state.
Based on how long an Aimpoint is, I'd guess 14.5".
Barrel pictured is 13" to the end of the barrel shoulder. In other words, not including the AAC mount.
Dylan_Porter
02-07-08, 02:32
Any word on target price yet?
http://www.magpul.com/pics/massoud1.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/pics/massoud2.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/pics/massoud3.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/pics/massoud5.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/pics/massoud6.jpg
And there will be .308 SR25 pattern PMAGs to go along with this.
Tspeis
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And there will be .308 SR25 pattern PMAGs to go along with this.
Has anyone heard an official word from Magpul if this rifle (and PMag) are going forward? I've heard other people talk about it, but haven't seen anything official from Magpul.
Has anyone heard an official word from Magpul if this rifle (and PMag) are going forward? I've heard other people talk about it, but haven't seen anything official from Magpul.
To my knowledge, no official word has been released. To be perfectly honest, the first I heard about a .308 PMAG was on the forums after getting home from SHOT. Richard or Drake may post otherwise, but no mention of such an animal was made to me in any of our pre-SHOT meetings.
As it sits, the concept gun you saw at SHOT is just that - a concept. They tell me she feeds, she fires, and she ejects, but until you see first hand information from a Magpul employee, I'd take the internet rumors with a grain of salt.
As it sits, the concept gun you saw at SHOT is just that - a concept. They tell me she feeds, she fires, and she ejects, but until you see first hand information from a Magpul employee, I'd take the internet rumors with a grain of salt.
Oh trust me I do. That's why I wanted to hear from an actual Magpul person what the scoop was.
Thanks for the info. Hopefully, Magpul will receive enough positive feedback on the 7.62 that they will move forward with it, or someone else will decide to pick up the ball and run with it. It looks like a great product!
decodeddiesel
02-08-08, 12:01
Personally I have been trying to justify the purchase of a Masada/ACR in anti-personel caliber (e.g. 5.56, 6.5, 6.8, 7.62x39, 5.45) having just purchased an LMT Defender 2k. I had convinced myself that I would buy it...eventually. I have prioritized a .308 tactical type rifle as higher on my list (possible HK 91 clone, FAL type, AR-10, M1A, etc.) as I would like to hunt deer with it and participate in "heavy metal" 3 gun stuff. A Masada/ACR in .308 would justify the purchase very nicely.
The rifle is visually appealing and will probably function very well, but can someone tell me what are the downsides to having an exposed gas block? Especially as it applies to an operational setting.
The rifle is visually appealing and will probably function very well, but can someone tell me what are the downsides to having an exposed gas block? Especially as it applies to an operational setting.
It's not a production model, it's not even really a true pre-production model.
It's a proof of concept test rig.
Even if it wasn't. The downsides to having an exposed, pinned and clamped gas block are the same on a Magpul Massoud .308 as they are on a COLT M4 w/ F marked sight tower or an FN M16A4 w/ same or on a Crane Mk12 with a PRi flip-up.
It's not a production model, it's not even really a true pre-production model.
It's a proof of concept test rig.
Even if it wasn't. The downsides to having an exposed, pinned and clamped gas block are the same on a Magpul Massoud .308 as they are on a COLT M4 w/ F marked sight tower or an FN M16A4 w/ same or on a Crane Mk12 with a PRi flip-up.
I hadnt thought of it like that. Thank you.
That looks like an SR-25/DPMS/POF magazine which is not compatible
with the AR-10.
Hmmm.
decodeddiesel
02-18-08, 09:34
Oh my...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNncD9q7u5E
That is just plain sick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjqANeOwuNU
New video. Gas adjusted correctly and break added.
Wow. That looks VERY controlable....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjqANeOwuNU
New video. Gas adjusted correctly and break added.
Nice, but where's the folding stock? :D
decodeddiesel
02-21-08, 09:32
Thanks for the new video! Everyone at my job is foaming at the mouth now.
LonghunterCO
02-25-08, 10:55
Wow. That looks VERY controlable....
I agree. Very nice. I was really wanting a SR25K to go with my SR-25 but this takes the same mags and has got to be more in my price range...
I really hope the angle on the bottom of the magazine well matches that of a SR-25 so a .308 Pmag will fit both guns.
Has anyone considered this?
I really hope the angle on the bottom of the magazine well matches that of a SR-25 so a .308 Pmag will fit both guns.
Has anyone considered this?
As for now we are not releasing any information on products that may or may not be in the works. We're always looking for new ways to improve on existing products and explore the boundaries of new ideas. Thanks.
Drake
Looks neat, and I hope to have one someday. However, a .308 Saiga with proven AK reliability and surprising accuracy now isn't a bad purchase.
So how's the Saiga adjustable gas system work? Does the Saiga have a provision for full ambi controls too?
So how's the Saiga adjustable gas system work? Does the Saiga have a provision for full ambi controls too?
OK, I'll sell all my AKs and wait for Magpul to get a rifle on the civilian market ;)
It does look slick and I do hope to have it AND an HK417 some day. :)
Yeah, I figured there wouldn't be much of a response to my specific query.
If the Saiga .308 is what you want, then you were never in the market for the Massoud to begin with.
It would be like going to buy a Honda Pilot and coming home with a Hummer H1. They are both nice, but were never really in the same class.
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