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I have been going back and forth on the major networks the past hour or so. FOX is covering the obvious, CNN is doing the same.
MSNBC has not had so much as a single minute of coverage regarding the Mideast rioting in almost two hours, absolutely every moment of both Bashir and Matthew's shows have been devoted to bashing Romney.
As unhappy as it makes me to say it, another civil war will take place in America. There is no way we close this ever increasing divide unless any person who votes for obama is vaporized the moment they push the button in the booth. While they may be fellow Americans, I wouldn't miss a single one.
So much for hope and change. Now we have hate and contempt.
VooDoo6Actual
09-13-12, 17:00
I have been going back and forth on the major networks the past hour or so. FOX is covering the obvious, CNN is doing the same.
MSNBC has not had so much as a single minute of coverage regarding the Mideast rioting in almost two hours, absolutely every moment of both Bashir and Matthew's shows have been devoted to bashing Romney.
As unhappy as it makes me to say it, another civil war will take place in America. There is no way we close this ever increasing divide unless any person who votes for obama is vaporized the moment they push the button in the booth. While they may be fellow American's, I wouldn't miss a single one.
Frustrating to say the least.
It's been fomenting/percolating for a long time & would come as no surprises to many people.
As a suggestion & you may already be using these to get additional/alternative POV etc.
http://www.aljazeera.com
http://english.alarabiya.net
GOA Security Review
http://www.criticalthreats.org/gulf-aden-security-review/gulf-aden-security-review-september-13-2012Here's a Libyan source I use.
http://www.tripolipost.com
4 killed at Yemen Embassy clash etc.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/world/meast/yemen-us-embassy-protests/?hpt=hp_t1
I spent 5 years of my childhood in a civil war. You don't want a civil war in the US. It would end the USA as you know it today. A civil war would make the war between the states, Pearl Harbor and 9-11 attacks look pale. This country has prided itself in the peaceful transition of governments/administrations/leaders for over 200 years. A civil war will wipe all of that out. Citizens and refugees all over the world fled oppressions in their homelands to seek a new life here. It would be a horrible ironism if citizens of the US flee a civil war for Canada or Mexico.
I spent 5 years of my childhood in a civil war. You don't want a civil war in the US.
The last thing I would ever, ever want to see would be another civil war here. Point is that we are likely headed there whether we like it or not. Either that or we peacefully decide to Balkanize, but at some point, just as with the middle east, something will have to give.
would end the USA as you know it today.
Sadly this is already happening right in front of our eyes.
GeorgiaBoy
09-13-12, 17:47
Sadly this is already happening right in front of our eyes.
Yeah, but not in the same way.
Doc Safari
09-13-12, 17:47
Back on topic, I'm hoping the addition of Blaze TV to DISH network and other pay TV outlets will be a game changer.
Already FOX has become less and less relevant over the years, and it was highly respected when it first started IIRC.
MSNBC is a bottom feeder. I'm hoping eventually their revenues sink to the point that they are bought out by people who realize that the public is tired of the liberal bias in media.
Straight Shooter
09-13-12, 17:55
I dont think any rational person WANTS a civil war. But, after now decades of deteriation and continued subversion of the Constitution,
what other options are there? More talk? Then...more talk...then what? We are absolutely living in ****in limbo in this country. Weve got about a third of the people who absolutely want a much more socialist/communist goverment. Weve got a third who want a much more limited Constitutional goverment. And weve got a third who couldnt give a damn if the sun came up tomorrow. As long as they dont have to stop watching Oprah or sports, they could give a **** who is in charge.
So...whats the answer? Sam, you say a civil war would end the US as we know it. Didnt the first one make things better by ending slavery? Didnt it teach us at great tragedy how awful it is for brother to fight brother?
SOMEBODY, one side or another, is gonna have to eventually have their way. This endless, perpetual bullshit we have now just cant go on. I says lets have it out now, right now, and whatever side wins, then thats how its gonna be. Everyone on this site KNOWS this government, no matter which party is in office, but ESPECIALLY with Dems in charge, is so far gone from what is intended and meant by our Founding Fathers they wouldnt recognize it at all if they came back to visit. It CANNOT EVER be fixed by voting, period. Our national debt CANNOT EVER be physically repaid, period. It is literally impossible. Whether its the current 16 TRILLION or 100 TRILLION, both of these figures are simply just that, numbers on paper that wont ever be repaid.
There is a quote attributed to Lincoln that Ive tried to find for years now, but to paraphrase, it said that although horrible and heinous, war is sometimes necessary when one side gets to far away from the original intent of our F.F.'s and will not cease their illegal/un-Constuttional actions.
I know Im sick to ****in death of having worked since age 10, HARD, and seeing the same ****sticks over and over never hitting a lick and still "gettin paid!".
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-13-12, 18:06
A real civil war is too difficult since it isn't regional based, but idea based. There was a thread recently that talked about how the military, especially trigger pullers, are conservative. There are too many guns to confiscate. Lefties are the least likely to join the military or have any kind of force on force ability or desire.
We have spent the last 100 years nationalizing our problems. I think the grid lock becomes so great that states are forced to address the issues that can't be brought to a national consensus. As the states solve problems, people will stop supporting high national taxes- especially when the national govt isn't solving problems.
The more they push the progressive agenda, the higher the mountian of shit becomes and the bigger forces to pull it down.
Its inevitable.
I dont think any rational person WANTS a civil war. But, after now decades of deteriation and continued subversion of the Constitution,
what other options are there? More talk? Then...more talk...then what? We are absolutely living in ****in limbo in this country. Weve got about a third of the people who absolutely want a much more socialist/communist goverment. Weve got a third who want a much more limited Constitutional goverment. And weve got a third who couldnt give a damn if the sun came up tomorrow. As long as they dont have to stop watching Oprah or sports, they could give a **** who is in charge. So...whats the answer?
Very well said. This stuff was really getting to me today, but a trip to the park with my son got me out of the mental ditch.
All we can do is stay sane, stay vigilant and try to be reasonably proactive.
another civil war will take place in America.
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=146747
The SECOND Revolution...
SteyrAUG [Team Member]
10/2/2002 11:18:16 PM EDT
OK, I know the general consensus among patriotic, freedom loving, constitutional gun owners is that we stand ready to feed the gun grabbers and other "domestic" enemies to the hogs. Gun boards (especially those with a "militia" edge)are ripe with Phase ONE (Expose the Bildeburgs, etc.) plans of the coming revolution that will wipe out socialism and restore constitutional representation to "the people." The logic being once the "citizenry" is made aware of the diabolical plot and awakened we will "throw the bums out" and restore a truly representative government in Phase TWO. After all we have at least 750 men with SKSs waiting for the "marching orders." And once these fine Americans fire the "first shot heard round the county" everyone will jump on the bandwagon and join the winning team.
Just a couple problems.
1. The populace has already been enlightened to the problem and they just don't give a shit. Seriously, Bill Clinton openly wiped his ass with the Constitution on a regular basis and the average Oprah viewer thinks he's some kind of ****ing hero. Hillary commited felony (and probably capital) crimes and was duly elected Senator. I firmly believe you could publish photos of the Clintons having 3 way sex with Janet Reno while negotiating the sale of NORAD systems to China while Osama Bin Laden films the decadence and 54% of the country would still vote for them. Just remember Marion Barry got RE ELECTED if you were about to say it would NEVER Happen.
2. The average "gun owner" doesn't even know what is legal anymore or what laws have been passed until AFTER he has been arrested for an illegal configured firearm. he ain't exactly in touch with anything let alone waiting for "marching orders." At best the MOST any gun owner will do is occasionally spend $25.00 on a NRA membership every couple of years to help fight the good fight. But don't ask him to be a annual member every year or give anything extra. After all $25.00 is a shitload of money. You can get a gun "transferred" for $25.00.
3. As soon as the 37 members of the various militias "open fire" when the timing is right, they will be immediately portrayed as extremist fringe groups and tied to white supremacists, doomsday cults, Mormons, satanists and NAMBLA. NAMBLA will sue for defamation and win. When these patriots are rounded up and sentenced to life for "crimes against the Constitution" the nation will breath a collective sigh of relief. After all these 37 rednecks with pump action shotguns are certainly the GREATEST threat to national security that has ever been faced.
4. Mr. average gun owner will watch it all on TV from the comforts of his lazy boy in his air conditioned living room on a SONY Big Screen. He will think to himself that gun owners like that give him a bad name. He will feel safe that he owns a pump action shotgun in case he ever needs to defend himself from such terrorists. He has no idea that Congress is currently in a closed door session drafting legislation to outlaw the NEW weapon of choice for terrorists, the Pump Action Assault Shotgun.
I spent 5 years of my childhood in a civil war. You don't want a civil war in the US. It would end the USA as you know it today. A civil war would make the war between the states, Pearl Harbor and 9-11 attacks look pale. This country has prided itself in the peaceful transition of governments/administrations/leaders for over 200 years. A civil war will wipe all of that out. Citizens and refugees all over the world fled oppressions in their homelands to seek a new life here. It would be a horrible ironism if citizens of the US flee a civil war for Canada or Mexico.
You can't have civil war unless the states secede from the union....Anything up to, and just short of that, is rightly classified as "civil unrest!"
Historically, civil unrest is unorganized bouts of civil violence, punctuated by episodes of looting, pillaging(no shit), and periods of total disregard for most civil law....
So, this November, if Obama and the democratic national socialist party emerge victorious, pay keen attention to how the states(particularly the western states)respond to his dictatorial usurption of your few remaining civil liberties, especially if/when they move to eliminate the individuals right to keep & bear arms...
[url]The SECOND Revolution...
While I understand how you arrived at that conclusion, I disagree that is how it would likely happen. First there would probably be small, localized public demonstrations that call for immediate action. They lead to marches in state capitals across the country that, if the discontent was at that critical breaking point, would have huge turnouts, especially in some regions.
From there, just look at current day Libya.
Well, for what it's worth, which ain't much, if we have a civil war or revolotion or large scale civil unrest, I hope it happens in my lifetime vs. down the road for my kids to suffer through it alone.
Otherwise, I'm going back to my TV now. I think the Kardashians are on.:sarcastic:
While I understand how you arrived at that conclusion, I disagree that is how it would likely happen. First there would probably be small, localized public demonstrations that call for immediate action. They lead to marches in state capitals across the country that, if the discontent was at that critical breaking point, would have huge turnouts, especially in some regions.
From there, just look at current day Libya.
This isn't Libya.
You couldn't get enough people to stop watching American Idol long enough to have a domestic war.
We disconnected from DISH three months ago and have had no tv service since.
Alaskapopo
09-14-12, 00:17
I dont think any rational person WANTS a civil war. But, after now decades of deteriation and continued subversion of the Constitution,
what other options are there? More talk? Then...more talk...then what? We are absolutely living in ****in limbo in this country. Weve got about a third of the people who absolutely want a much more socialist/communist goverment. Weve got a third who want a much more limited Constitutional goverment. And weve got a third who couldnt give a damn if the sun came up tomorrow. As long as they dont have to stop watching Oprah or sports, they could give a **** who is in charge.
So...whats the answer? Sam, you say a civil war would end the US as we know it. Didnt the first one make things better by ending slavery? Didnt it teach us at great tragedy how awful it is for brother to fight brother?
SOMEBODY, one side or another, is gonna have to eventually have their way. This endless, perpetual bullshit we have now just cant go on. I says lets have it out now, right now, and whatever side wins, then thats how its gonna be. Everyone on this site KNOWS this government, no matter which party is in office, but ESPECIALLY with Dems in charge, is so far gone from what is intended and meant by our Founding Fathers they wouldnt recognize it at all if they came back to visit. It CANNOT EVER be fixed by voting, period. Our national debt CANNOT EVER be physically repaid, period. It is literally impossible. Whether its the current 16 TRILLION or 100 TRILLION, both of these figures are simply just that, numbers on paper that wont ever be repaid.
There is a quote attributed to Lincoln that Ive tried to find for years now, but to paraphrase, it said that although horrible and heinous, war is sometimes necessary when one side gets to far away from the original intent of our F.F.'s and will not cease their illegal/un-Constuttional actions.
I know Im sick to ****in death of having worked since age 10, HARD, and seeing the same ****sticks over and over never hitting a lick and still "gettin paid!".
How about you vote and if you don't win you live with it or leave.
Pat
This isn't Libya.
You couldn't get enough people to stop watching American Idol long enough to have a domestic war.Exactly!!!
This isn't Libya.
You couldn't get enough people to stop watching American Idol long enough to have a domestic war.
and part of the other half would think its a game come running out with a shotgun shooting at everything and figure they will respawn !
Straight Shooter
09-14-12, 03:23
Alskapopo-
Been voting since Reagan first took office. As for leaving. You woulda been one of the ones telling Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, ect. how they should shut up and bow down, and stop all this talk of freedom,
and this seditious talk of seperating from 'His Majestey".
As for leaving, nah, I think Ill stick around, on the off chance I get to vote"from the rooftops" one day, Ill look for ya, ok?:)
Alaskapopo
09-14-12, 04:55
Alskapopo-
Been voting since Reagan first took office. As for leaving. You woulda been one of the ones telling Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, ect. how they should shut up and bow down, and stop all this talk of freedom,
and this seditious talk of seperating from 'His Majestey".
As for leaving, nah, I think Ill stick around, on the off chance I get to vote"from the rooftops" one day, Ill look for ya, ok?:)
We live in a republic for which many people have died fighting for our rights to vote with a pen and not a gun. People like you are like kids throwing a tantrum when they don't get what they want. You get the same chance to vote as anyone else. Elections have consequences we can not simple get made that our guy did not win and threaten violence. Your vote is no more imporant than anyone elses. Also it takes a coward to "vote from the rooftops as you say". Sounds like you just threatened to kill a police officer in an open forum.
Pat
We live in a republic for which many people have died fighting for our rights to vote with a pen and not a gun. People like you are like kids throwing a tantrum when they don't get what they want. You get the same chance to vote as anyone else. Elections have consequences we can not simple get made that our guy did not win and threaten violence. Your vote is no more imporant than anyone elses. Also it takes a coward to "vote from the rooftops as you say". Sounds like you just threatened to kill a police officer in an open forum.
Pat
Both he and I know exactly what type of country we live in, hence our concerns. You seem to believe that so long as everyone has a right to vote everything will be ok forever. This is what I also thought my entire life, but now as I grow older and watch both the world and my own country changing for the worse during just my humble lifetime, my sense of complacency has diminished.
Four Americans were murdered by terrorists on what is considered American soil overseas. One of the nations largest news networks decided that they now hate Republicans so much, they simply had to focus on Mitt Romney instead of our slain countrymen. And of course the region wide violence and chaos that was spreading as they spoke.
While their ratings may take a hit, if they aren't publicly shamed and put out of business then America is not a place to be blindly complacent. If such behavior is now acceptable then there must be a hell of a lot of people out there who aren't at all like you or I. American by name, but something else inside.
Lastly, no one is threading a police officer here so let's take a pass on the hysterics. He's obviously referring to his concern regarding mass firearm confiscations and many good citizens would take up arms if something so terrible ever happened. That's why we have a second amendment.
MSNBC has not had so much as a single minute of coverage regarding the Mideast rioting in almost two hours, absolutely every moment of both Bashir and Matthew's shows have been devoted to bashing Romney.
Good news is only about 10000 mouthbreathers were watching.
Good news is only about 10000 mouthbreathers were watching.
While they were bottom feeders up to last year or so, disturbingly their ratings have now surpassed CNN and they are now second only to FOX. Who does have them by a large margin no doubt, but the wacky left actually appears to be gaining some momentum when all common sense would dictate that in a sane America they would be losing it quickly.
But really, as bad as all this may seem to some, perhaps we reign in our frustrations until the election. Still even if Romney wins by a landslide 70% or some other ridiculous (but reassuring) number, after the last four years that other 30% is still a scary big group if you ask me. And we know it won't be that lopsided.
This president has turned out to be nothing more than a charlatan who is motivated by social justice and idealogy. Many of us knew it right away, some did not. However after four years of failure and lies everyone should and the fact that isn't even close to the case is what causes me to be very concerned about the state of our union.
This is how I feel about section 8 housing people:
I know Im sick to ****in death of having worked since age 10, HARD, and seeing the same ****sticks over and over never hitting a lick and still "gettin paid!".
Lastly, no one is threading a police officer here so let's take a pass on the hysterics.
I did not take it that way. There was an oblique threat "vote from the rooftops" and "I'll look for ya".
How about you vote and if you don't win you live with it or leave.
Pat
Pat,
Let me ask you this hypothetical question Sir:
If our countrymen vote Obama in again, COTUS gets a Democrat super-majority and they decide/vote to ban guns and confiscate (Lets not get into the minutia of symantics; logistics, etc- Just the parameters I've stated- not "That won;t happen" "This and that can't/won't"-ETC) them- and the supreme court upholds the decision effectively negating our 2A right....
Would you follow along and go door to door confiscating weapons from your fellow countrymen?
Would you "Leave" the country as you posited others do if the vote doesn't go "thier way"?
-or-
Would you protest the decision- stay and fight those seeking to ban/confiscate?
I am very interested in your answer. I am truly curious as to the course of action you would take being an LEO sworn to defend/uphold the Constitution.
Thanks,
Tom
Straight Shooter
09-14-12, 11:11
Alaskapopo-
I dont know what burr under your saddle you got for me, or what the hell your problem is. But, FIRST OFF, dont come in here and post your shit...then hide behind a badge somewhere. I dont know you from Adams house cat. If your a cop, so what. Ill talk to you like I do everybody else.
Second- ARE YOU INSANE? ARE YOU MENTAL? where do you see I "threatened" you? I believe you to be unstable at the moment, cause mostly you post rational stuff and good info.
If you persist in this bullshit, Ill have it settled one way or another with the mods.
In the future, if I post something that gets your panties in a wad, keep it to yourself and do not respond to my posts, officer.
And btw officer...a HELL of a lot more people have died fighting for this country WITH A GUN, than a pen. I am one that served also.
No tantrum was thrown, nor did I ever think or imply my vote was more important than anyone elses. And should I EVER decide to threaten you or anyone else, itll be in plain ****in everyday language and you WONT have to wonder whether I just "threatened" you or not. So back off.
you ****in internet bully you.
Let's not forget that the voting process in this country is now a joke. You don't even need to show ID to vote. The illegal voter registrations that took place last election and that is certainly going to take place this election will continue. It's improbable that they're going to be able to deny people with a valid driver's license the right to cast a vote. Illegals can easily get a valid DL. You have this BS happening in the state elections as well.
As far as I'm concerned the vote isn't truly valid, especially with all the manipulation that is bound to occur. So when someone, like Pat, says that when the vote is counted and the country has spoken, I just want to laugh.
Alaskapopo
09-14-12, 12:19
Alaskapopo-
I dont know what burr under your saddle you got for me, or what the hell your problem is. But, FIRST OFF, dont come in here and post your shit...then hide behind a badge somewhere. I dont know you from Adams house cat. If your a cop, so what. Ill talk to you like I do everybody else.
Second- ARE YOU INSANE? ARE YOU MENTAL? where do you see I "threatened" you? I believe you to be unstable at the moment, cause mostly you post rational stuff and good info.
If you persist in this bullshit, Ill have it settled one way or another with the mods.
In the future, if I post something that gets your panties in a wad, keep it to yourself and do not respond to my posts, officer.
And btw officer...a HELL of a lot more people have died fighting for this country WITH A GUN, than a pen. I am one that served also.
No tantrum was thrown, nor did I ever think or imply my vote was more important than anyone elses. And should I EVER decide to threaten you or anyone else, itll be in plain ****in everyday language and you WONT have to wonder whether I just "threatened" you or not. So back off.
you ****in internet bully you.
Excuse me you are the one threatening to kill people from rooftops. There was no other way for a sane person to take your comment.
Pat
OK folks. Time to step back from the computer and cool off. Enough of the profanity and personal insults.
This thread is getting near the edge of the cliff.
We live in a republic for which many people have died fighting for our rights to vote with a pen and not a gun. People like you are like kids throwing a tantrum when they don't get what they want. You get the same chance to vote as anyone else. Elections have consequences we can not simple get made that our guy did not win and threaten violence. Your vote is no more imporant than anyone elses. Also it takes a coward to "vote from the rooftops as you say". Sounds like you just threatened to kill a police officer in an open forum.
Pat
Is that so?
In a true republic, not everyone has the right to vote which is how our country was founded.
Only land owning, taxpayers had the right to vote and for good reason. It was to prevent the freeloaders from being able to vote themselves the public treasury.
Now everyone can vote and look what we have, freeloaders voting themselves the public treasury.
There is no right to vote in a federal election in the US Constitution.
VooDoo6Actual
09-14-12, 19:22
How about you vote and if you don't win you live with it or leave.
Pat
Weakest & worst answer I have ever seen here to date. What a joke & blowoff answer.
Suwannee Tim
09-14-12, 20:05
Weakest & worst answer I have ever seen here to date. What a joke & blowoff answer.
Yeah, except Popo is right. Do you have any idea how fast an armed revolt would be crushed? If you plan to "vote from the rooftops" you will be dead shortly afterwards. Not an opinion, a fact.
Do you have any idea how fast an armed revolt would be crushed? If you plan to "vote from the rooftops" you will be dead shortly afterwards. Not an opinion, a fact.
Explain please.
Armed citizens out number LEOs and .mil by a 10:1 ratio.
Suwannee Tim
09-14-12, 20:21
Only a fraction of the population would engage in such a war. They would be engaging the most sophisticated and powerful and experienced counter-insurgency force ever assembled namely the US Army and US Marines. Most of the population would side with the government. It would not go well for the insurgents. Further, such conflict would severely weaken and distract the United States which our foreign adversaries would exploit. China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, et al would not miss the the opportunity to destroy us. I worry that we are entering a new Dark Age. For every complex and difficult problem there is a simple answer that is wrong. Rebellion is that answer and it would guarantee a new Dark Age.
Correct me if I am wrong. In history only one revolution has ended well for the society involved, our Revolution. All the others, French, Russian and so on have ended in catastrophe.
Yeah, except Popo is right. Do you have any idea how fast an armed revolt would be crushed? If you plan to "vote from the rooftops" you will be dead shortly afterwards. Not an opinion, a fact.
Tim not only are you derailing but you are misguided. None of this is about an individual or a militia deciding to take on local authorities. Focusing on that scenario is a waste of everyone's time.
And none of this is an advocation for civil war, just a discussion as to how frustrations and even fears that are continually enhanced by real time events could lead to disaster.
Suwannee Tim
09-14-12, 20:40
I didn't derail it Safety, Straight Shooter did. I agreed with Popo and answered a question specifically asked of me. As far as frustration, I am as frustrated, as anyone, probably more than most. In fact I am going to have to tune out of politics in the next couple of days until election day and beyond because the anxiety is beginning to affect my health. It absolutely sucks to see such a great country, one that has been won and built at such a high price hang in the balance.
A word to the wise though, be careful what you say. A rash remark here and now could come back to haunt you. I'm not directing that at anyone in particular.
If anyone needs to be called out by name it is Straight Shooter who's attacks on Popo are provocative to say the least. Popo is too smart to take the bait.
Alaskapopo
09-14-12, 20:45
Is that so?
In a true republic, not everyone has the right to vote which is how our country was founded.
Only land owning, taxpayers had the right to vote and for good reason. It was to prevent the freeloaders from being able to vote themselves the public treasury.
Now everyone can vote and look what we have, freeloaders voting themselves the public treasury.
There is no right to vote in a federal election in the US Constitution.
So only the rich should be able to vote in your world. Lots of things were bad when the constitution was first founded such ast he 3/5ths compromise. Women were not allowed to vote, slavery was legal. No that is in our not so honorable past. Every non felon american over the age of 18 should have the right to vote. To say anything less is to value one human life over another which is morally repugnant.
Pat
Alaskapopo
09-14-12, 20:48
Tim not only are you derailing but you are misguided. None of this is about an individual or a militia deciding to take on local authorities. Focusing on that scenario is a waste of everyone's time.
And none of this is an advocation for civil war, just a discussion as to how frustrations and even fears that are continually enhanced by real time events could lead to disaster.
Have you read this thread. The person who threatened me was advocating for civil war. Go back and read the thread.
Pat
Alaskapopo
09-14-12, 20:50
Explain please.
Armed citizens out number LEOs and .mil by a 10:1 ratio.
Most armed citizens are not advocating civil war and most of them actually support the police and military. Only a few fringe elements support such crazy plans.
Pat
Have you read this thread. The person who threatened me was advocating for civil war. Go back and read the thread.
Pat
Being a police officer, you have a responsibility to be sensible. We as a society need serving citizens in a place of authority such as yourself to be smarter than this.
Suwannee Tim
09-14-12, 21:26
By the way 500 grains, can you tell me anything about your avatar?
Honestly, given some of the views and beliefs expressed on conservative and firearm oriented forums, if there ever was a civil war I'm not sure which side I'd actually want to win.
The possible "new vision" of either polarized end of the political spectrum doesn't make me feel all that "free" despite the fact that "freedom and liberty" is always the rally cry for both.
I hope you all will excuse me if I prefer to take my chances with the existing government despite that fact that it isn't quite the one we are supposed to have.
Honestly, given some of the views and beliefs expressed on conservative and firearm oriented forums, if there ever was a civil war I'm not sure which side I'd actually want to win.
The possible "new vision" of either polarized end of the political spectrum doesn't make me feel all that "free" despite the fact that "freedom and liberty" is always the rally cry for both.
I hope you all will excuse me if I prefer to take my chances with the existing government despite that fact that it isn't quite the one we are supposed to have.
There are right wing extremists here, we know who some are. Despite being a bit outspoken I am not one of them, I just want my little boy to grow up in a safe and sane environment. If you can offer an absolute assurance as to why that will be guaranteed 10 or 20 years from now I am ready to listen.
Meantime I'm not planning to take up arms, I'm wondering how many juice boxes I should get for his class party on Monday. This since I am the designated drink parent, of course.
Alaskapopo
09-14-12, 22:02
Honestly, given some of the views and beliefs expressed on conservative and firearm oriented forums, if there ever was a civil war I'm not sure which side I'd actually want to win.
The possible "new vision" of either polarized end of the political spectrum doesn't make me feel all that "free" despite the fact that "freedom and liberty" is always the rally cry for both.
I hope you all will excuse me if I prefer to take my chances with the existing government despite that fact that it isn't quite the one we are supposed to have.
Exactly both sides go way to far. What happened to the day when two people could argue about politics and then shake hands and have a beer at the end of the day. People need to learn tolerance and to work together to solve problems.
OK, so you have come up with one specific scenario. Each side can think of a scenario in which they win. But it is much easier to imagine winning a fight than it is to actually win it.
Only a fraction of the population would engage in such a war. They would be engaging the most sophisticated and powerful and experienced counter-insurgency force ever assembled namely the US Army and US Marines. Most of the population would side with the government. It would not go well for the insurgents. Further, such conflict would severely weaken and distract the United States which our foreign adversaries would exploit. China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, et al would not miss the the opportunity to destroy us. I worry that we are entering a new Dark Age. For every complex and difficult problem there is a simple answer that is wrong. Rebellion is that answer and it would guarantee a new Dark Age.
Correct me if I am wrong. In history only one revolution has ended well for the society involved, our Revolution. All the others, French, Russian and so on have ended in catastrophe.
I do not want revolution. But I do not want to live in the world of Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Hillary Klinton and the Black Panthers either.
Being a police officer, you have a responsibility to be sensible. We as a society need serving citizens in a place of authority such as yourself to be smarter than this.
I am afraid you have unreasonably high hopes for Pat.
By the way 500 grains, can you tell me anything about your avatar?
That guy has a goiter, from insufficient iodine intake, which is why we have iodized salt today.
But note that he is still working. Today anyone with a hangnail gets on social security disability and sponges off the rest of us in the private sector who do work.
Alaskapopo
09-14-12, 22:07
Being a police officer, you have a responsibility to be sensible. We as a society need serving citizens in a place of authority such as yourself to be smarter than this.
Sure I agree police officers need to be sensible but fortunately you don't get to define that term. Sensible is not calling for shooting people from roof tops. Politics has no role in how I perform my job nor should it. I don't care if your a democrate or a republican or a communist. Just follow the law. One of the things great about our country is that we follow the rule of law.
Pat
To say anything less is to value one human life over another which is morally repugnant.
Pat
I value members of the productive class more than members of the parasite class (section 8 housing, AFDC, etc.). In fact, I do not value members of the parasite class at all because they contribute nothing. One who contributes nothing has no value. They are worthless parasites. And they largely breed the next generation to inhabit our prisons.
So I say cut them all off. The government's new motto should be "WORK OR STARVE".
Quit the hysterics and get the sand out of your vagina.
Sure I agree police officers need to be sensible but fortunately you don't get to define that term. Sensible is not calling for shooting people from roof tops.
[quote] One of the things great about our country is that we follow the rule of law.
Pat
The Obongo administration does not.
Quit the hysterics and get the sand out of your vagina.
The Obongo administration does not.
I know we are basically on the same side, but again, this is how you get into trouble and bring trouble to the threads you participate in.
Sure I agree police officers need to be sensible but fortunately you don't get to define that term. Sensible is not calling for shooting people from roof tops. Politics has no role in how I perform my job nor should it. I don't care if your a democrate or a republican or a communist. Just follow the law. One of the things great about our country is that we follow the rule of law.
Pat
Thanks for both the kind words along with the well intentioned viewpoint Pat.
There are right wing extremists here, we know who some are. Despite being a bit outspoken I am not one of them, I just want my little boy to grow up in a safe and sane environment. If you can offer an absolute assurance as to why that will be guaranteed 10 or 20 years from now I am ready to listen.
No argument from me there. And it wasn't necessarily this forum I was talking about.
If Pat thinks someone has threatened to kill him on this form, then he should file charges. Otherwise it is just hysterics.
VooDoo6Actual
09-14-12, 23:10
Exactly both sides go way to far. What happened to the day when two people could argue about politics and then shake hands and have a beer at the end of the day. People need to learn tolerance and to work together to solve problems.
That helps me know process more where your at.
Thanks.
I'm on board w/ every comment you made. Makes sense.
So here's my question for you that I'm curious what your opinion is.
Are you satisfied/non-issue/convinced/concerned/? that/or if the election process is justly ?
are you satisfied that our current Government is operating/conducting itself/legally in a honest & justly manner ? Notice I did not say fair.
What happened to the day when two people could argue about politics and then shake hands and have a beer at the end of the day. .
Probably that was before we were broke about a trillion times over, before our currency was debased, before my children were $50000 in debt before they learned geometry...
You see, when you're rich, healthy and safe, it's easy to dream.
We ain't rich anymore.
Every non felon american over the age of 18 should have the right to vote.
I lost my faith in that ideal in 1992 when, given the opportunity to ask the President of the United States a question, in-person, on live television, some empty-headed "Rock the Vote"-er on MTV chose to ask "is it boxers or briefs?". I don't know where or how to draw the line but, I do know that some people should not be allowed to vote. Ever.
So only the rich should be able to vote in your world. Lots of things were bad when the constitution was first founded such ast he 3/5ths compromise. Women were not allowed to vote, slavery was legal. No that is in our not so honorable past. Every non felon american over the age of 18 should have the right to vote. To say anything less is to value one human life over another which is morally repugnant.
Pat
No, only people that own a stake in this country and pay for its operation should have a say in how it is operated.
I lost my faith in that ideal in 1992 when, given the opportunity to ask the President of the United States a question, in-person, on live television, some empty-headed "Rock the Vote"-er on MTV chose to ask "is it boxers or briefs?". I don't know where or how to draw the line but, I do know that some people should not be allowed to vote. Ever.
On some level I agree with you except if a basis can be found to deny "them" the right to vote, then a basis can be found to deny "us" the right to vote and sadly there seem to be more of "them" than "us."
No, only people that own a stake in this country and pay for its operation should have a say in how it is operated.
Not sure I'd would want that either. Guys like Bloomburg would run the show and we'd not even get a token vote of discontent. Not that such a scenario isn't dangerously close to what already exists, but I'd hate to legitimize it.
Moose-Knuckle
09-15-12, 17:51
"A house divided against itself cannot stand . . . "
Divide and conquer is the name of the game AND they're winning. A perusal through this very General Discussion forum is proof positive of this.
Working together means compromise.
I consider socialism, direct democracy and statism as evil. I will never ever support compromise with evil.
In my version of utopia, everyone leaves each other the hell alone. Sadly, we've embraced direct democracy to such a degree that we now have the ability to **** with each others pursuit of happiness through popular vote. It never should've gotten this far. Too many Americans worry about what other people are doing with their lives.
I'd vote for the first Libtard who'd get up and tell their constituency "I'm not voting to ban anyone from doing things that you don't like. Period. That's not my job, nor is it yours"
Similarly, I'd vote for a republican who had the balls to tell his constituency ."If you don't like gay marriage, then don't have one. I will not tell others how to live. That's not freedom, and as such, it's not American either."
Those candidates exist, but they don't win elections. Because idiot American voters seem unable to live free and let others do the same. It's the people. We are the problem.
The second we want a constitutional republic again, we shall have it.
The second we want a constitutional republic again, we shall have it.
Most people don't even know what that means. Even worse everything that defines a constitutional republic has been successfully equated with greed, imperialism, racism and hatred.
Most people think socialism sounds absolutely wonderful, of course they have no idea what the realities are.
GeorgiaBoy
09-16-12, 01:32
Those candidates exist, but they don't win elections. Because idiot American voters seem unable to live free and let others do the same. It's the people. We are the problem.
You said it man..
Congress is stagnated because voters always figure "well, the guy that's my representative hasn't really done anything bad, might as well vote for him again" instead of voting for a new face.
And they wonder whats wrong with the republic.
Belmont31R
09-16-12, 01:52
You said it man..
Congress is stagnated because voters always figure "well, the guy that's my representative hasn't really done anything bad, might as well vote for him again" instead of voting for a new face.
And they wonder whats wrong with the republic.
Theres more to to it than that. A lot of these guys get most of their money aka reelection fund from the RNC, and you don't bite the hand that feeds you or sets up your district during redistricting.
I don't really even think most conservatives are into freedom if it means something they don't agree with. A conservative will ban something they don't like just as quick as a liberal will.
VooDoo6Actual
09-16-12, 12:50
You said it man..
Congress is stagnated because voters always figure "well, the guy that's my representative hasn't really done anything bad, might as well vote for him again" instead of voting for a new face.
And they wonder whats wrong with the republic.
nail meet hammer's head.
Alaksapopo;
Can I expect to get an answer to post #26 (And Vodoo's post #56 questions as well)?
If you're not willing to, just let me know So I don't keep looking for one...
Thanks.
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