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Looking for a good optic to put on my BCM M4 I'm on a low budget an a former army ranger that ownes a local gun shop said he was issued the UTG cqb tactical red dot optic. What r some of ur thoughts on UTG Red dots? Thanks
jonconsiglio
09-13-12, 20:26
An Army Ranger issued a UTG optic? Was it mounted on his DPMS?
Sorry man, that optic is for airsoft rifles and should never be put on a serious use rifle. Hell, it shouldn't even be put on a plinker as it will eventually cause issues... It likely won't hold zero long, surely the mount is weak and the durability is very low.
Looking for a good optic to put on my BCM M4 I'm on a low budget an a former army ranger that ownes a local gun shop said he was issued the UTG cqb tactical red dot optic. What r some of ur thoughts on UTG Red dots? Thanks
UTG is pure crap. Don't contaminate your BCM with one.
C4
Cagemonkey
09-13-12, 20:28
UTG is junk. If your looking for an affordable optic, keep your eyes posted on the forum equipment exchange for a Aimpoint.
I'd probably find a new gun shop, also, if possible. At first glance... I'm not sure this one is trustworthy...
Issued a UTG? Was he an Army Ranger in China?
a former army ranger that ownes a local gun shop said he was issued the UTG cqb tactical red dot optic.
Go to that local gun shop, kick the guy in the dick and tell him to stop disgracing our country by lying about serving it and not to disgrace the AR community buy recommending UTG.
Then find another gun store. Hell the guy probably doesn't even own the store.
*End Rant*
polymorpheous
09-13-12, 20:37
a former army ranger that ownes a local gun shop said he was issued the UTG cqb tactical red dot optic.
:lol:
It almost hurts to think about how full of shit this guy is.
Did he tell you your BCM was crap too?
Save up and buy an Aimpoint PRO.
They can be had for $400 from many reputable vendors.
He def ownes the shop an a gunsmith seen a lot of his work an he's damn good said he still runs utg on his M4 he has now an holds zero. I use to run vortex on my armalite an it was a damn good red dot but sold it with the rifle an jus lookin for somethin else. I'm not wantin to spend a few hundred bucks on a aimpoint or eotech! Id love to but havin 2 kids an a wife kinda makes money slim at the moment.
polymorpheous
09-13-12, 20:47
Suit yourself.
I think AR15.com is a more suitable forum for your needs.
Ask around over there, I'm sure someone will point you to a low cost option.
Id def say my BCM isn't crap bro.. an this post was for I guess more respectful guys but hell seems like if u dnt have quality shit quys get but hurt an startn bashin a simple hey man I wouldn't go with utg an look for a better quality optic would be great
polymorpheous
09-13-12, 20:52
Please re-read all the above posts.
Damn bro I'm pretty sure I have a ligit M4 my bad I dnt have 400 bucks to throw down for an optic after spending 1300 on a Bravo Company.
I've actually read the above post an prolly 3 outta all the other guys r actually sayn hey look at somethin else instead of bitchin an sayn I need to be on ar15.com with that said an u bashin so hard what kinda M4 do u own
polymorpheous
09-13-12, 21:08
Your reading comprehension sucks.
BTW, I own BCMs myself.
I posted to help you, not bash you.
You would honestly get better answers on barfcom.
This forum is wired much tighter.
Now go ahead and be all emotional and reactionary here, it usually ends with threads getting locked and/or members getting banned.
And don't call me bro.
lethal dose
09-13-12, 21:09
I can't really read what you're typing, but I think I've gathered a few things:
1) the dweeb at your gun shop is either: a) lying or b) a phony (likely both). End of story. Noone in the military is issued a sight manufactured by UTG.
2) I gathered that you own a bcm. Do NOT purchase a UTG sight, they're trash.
With that said, welcome to m4c. Stick around and read a lot. You're MUCH better off with iron sight, and maybe even NO sights before that UTG. Not trying to rain on your parade, just saying.
If you can't afford a $400 sight, how are you EVER going to afford ammo?
mallowpufft
09-13-12, 21:09
Chill out, little feller. Learn to read. Then learn to spell. Your posts make my eyes bleed. Not to mention they're hard as crap to read.
UTG is crap. Unless you're playing airsoft. And while it's still crap it's suited to toys. I wouldn't even put one on my pellet gun.
If you had a vortex and liked it why not buy another one? They make decent stuff.
I've had good luck with BSA and Sign branded red dots on 22 rifles and pistols. I'm guessing you won't be running it hard so those options should work well enough for you.
None of those are the same level as an Aimpoint and I'm skeptical about the BSA on an AR but hey, it's your budget. I do have a buddy who has the Sign red dot on his Spike's (yep, that explains everything you need to know) and it has held zero for over 3k rounds. Not a super high round count but if you're just plinking it will be fine.
You'll also find that many folks on this board are current or former .mil and LEO so they demand a higher grade bit of kit and are less prone to get into dick swinging contests like you seem to be trying to (by demanding to know what kind of AR someone is running on the not so off chance you aren't sure what I'm talking about).
Tapatalk ate my spelling and grammar.
IYAAYASwarrior
09-13-12, 21:21
No way was he ever issued a UTG. If you go online and look the price up on something like that you can find them for $35 bones...not the style for purchases by the military. The glass in a good optic cost more than that. If you are really looking for an affordable RDS try primary arms. It is not a duty ready RDS but it should hold up better than your Ranger recommended UTG and its affordable. Check it out here:
https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_Micro_Dot_With_Fixed_Base_and_AR_Mnt_p/md-07-utg.htm
I'm not trying to have a dick swingging contest yes I know what your talking about and sorry for the spelling I'm using a cell phone my computer crashed. I could afford an aimpoint or eotech its not like I've bought utg. Just wanted some info on what I could get for a decent price at the moment since I've spent so much on the gun an putting magpul ctr stock on pmags an forgrip kinda put me in the hole right now.
I have used eotech in the past. I was familiar with the sight system. I have never used an Aimpoint before and no shop in the area had any to even look at in person. I ordered a Primary Arms micro for $114 shipped just to see if I could transition from Eotech to Aimpoint without shelling out the $600 for a T-1. I used the Primary Arms sight until I saved up cash for the T-1 and it held up very well. It now lives on my M&P 15-22.
As for my first post, there is nothing I hate more than a guy who recommends sub standard garbage to an un knowing consumer just to make a buck.
The only thing worse than that is someone who tells everyone they are a EX-ranger, seal Devgru, MARSOC, PJ whatever and never spent an effin day in boot camp!
I have a vortex strikefire and it's a great red dot for a decent price, though you said you had a vortex before. I've seen good opinions of their sparc if you like compact red dots.
The Burris scope is decent I think (looks like an acog). I've also seen good opinions of Primary Arms red dots. (edit: Cory posted while I was typing this - I've seen other positive opinions of the PA sights)
Ar15.com might have some suggestions too, though you'll also find people there that say anything less than an Aimpoint is a waste of $.
Anything from UTG or NCStar will probably be met with derision on any firearm forums. I'm sure some people have gotten (or claimed to) a bullet proof scope from these companies, but by large they are considered bottom of the barrel quality wise.
I hear you there I respect anyone who has served I tried joining but was under wait for the marines. An same here cory none of the shops here carry aimpoint which is really what I want just short on cash at the moment
You should go to a gun show; you might find someone selling Aimpoints you can check out and see if you think it's worth saving up for. If you don't want to wait you can buy a cheaper interim sight, then sell it once you finally get your Aimpoint.
Thanks for the info krusty think ill take your advice an hit up a gun show an/or just save up for what I really want.
Alright so I have one more question what are yalls thoughts on the vortex sparc it looks very similar to the aimpoint t-1 an its in my price range be gentle guys lol
Honestly, I'd pass. I have no experience with the sparc, but putting an optic like that on a bcm just doesn't make sense to me personally. I would save for a used aimpoint. It's not that the sparc isn't a good optic for its cost, its just that it would always be a weak point on a firearm of that quality. Also just incase your wondering this is coming from someone in a similar situation, i am currently in the process of closing on my first home purchase, and am looking to becoming a father in a few months. Just save and be patient.
Alright so I have one more question what are yalls thoughts on the vortex sparc it looks very similar to the aimpoint t-1 an its in my price range be gentle guys lol
If I was in your position, I would shoot iron sights until you're able to find a used Aimpoint for a more affordable price. With these red dots you really get what you pay for, IMO.
Also, keep an eye out on the Equipment Exchange forum here; there are some pretty decent deals on optics every now and then.
copenhagen2001
09-14-12, 01:21
Honestly, I'd pass. I have no experience with the sparc, but putting an optic like that on a bcm just doesn't make sense to me personally. I would save for a used aimpoint. It's not that the sparc isn't a good optic for its cost, its just that it would always be a weak point on a firearm of that quality. Also just incase your wondering this is coming from someone in a similar situation, i am currently in the process of closing on my first home purchase, and am looking to becoming a father in a few months. Just save and be patient.
2nd what he said!!! I bought a used Aimpoint from my Supply buddy, till I used one, I was a disbeleiver. Now I would get another in a sec, if I had another Ar to throw it on. Just be patient, it will come.
OP, it is better to work on your iron shooting ability, save your money and buy a new or used Aimpoint PRO.
C4
hey thanks alot on the info guys im pretty accurate with iron sights have a damn good group from about 125 to 150 with just the troy flip up an a2 front sight that came on my BCM
hey guys i found a aimpoint t-1 micro on ebay for 58 bucks not used but is shipping from hong kong seems unreal but what do yall think says money back if not pleased an its an ebay store please help
lethal dose
09-14-12, 19:22
:getspopcorn:
copenhagen2001
09-14-12, 19:28
I'm not big on eBay, nor do I buy from there. Reputation, Customer Service mean more to me, even if it costs a little more. I would save up and get it from Grant, his Rep is pretty solid on here!!!
Thoughts on the aimpoint compM2 4moa red dot can get it on ebay for prolly 170 its brand new an its a pawn shop dealer in the U.S.
copenhagen2001
09-14-12, 20:15
I love my comp m2, like I said if and when I get another AR I'll throw another Aimpoint on it!!!
hey guys i found a aimpoint t-1 micro on ebay for 58 bucks not used but is shipping from hong kong seems unreal but what do yall think says money back if not pleased an its an ebay store please help
It's a fake. Nobody would sell a used T-1 for $58, much less a new one.
We all understand the desire to accessorize your rifle with everything you believe it needs as soon as you buy it. We've been there. BCM makes great rifles but for $1300 you could have bought a Colt 6920 and Aimpoint. Or a Colt and a butt load of ammo.
Go read through the threads that talk about training with your rifle first so you understand what mods you actually need or can make use of after you know better. We preach this to save you money and frustration. It will also prevent you from having a box of slightly used crap that when you total the money spent will make you cry because you spent your optic money on it.
Also, go see that "Ranger" and leave him a printout of this web page: http://www.stolenvalor.com/. Tell him it's a crime to tell people he was something he wasn't. Don't be afraid to post his name/store either. Then we can all know not to spend money at his shop because he is a posed disgracing the memories of those who have served and still do.
mkmckinley
09-15-12, 12:05
He lied about being issued a UTG optic and I'd be highly suspicious about his supposed Ranger status.
polymorpheous
09-15-12, 12:15
It's a fake. Nobody would sell a used T-1 for $58, much less a new one.
We all understand the desire to accessorize your rifle with everything you believe it needs as soon as you buy it. We've been there. BCM makes great rifles but for $1300 you could have bought a Colt 6920 and Aimpoint. Or a Colt and a butt load of ammo.
Go read through the threads that talk about training with your rifle first so you understand what mods you actually need or can make use of after you know better. We preach this to save you money and frustration. It will also prevent you from having a box of slightly used crap that when you total the money spent will make you cry because you spent your optic money on it.
Also, go see that "Ranger" and leave him a printout of this web page: http://www.stolenvalor.com/. Tell him it's a crime to tell people he was something he wasn't. Don't be afraid to post his name/store either. Then we can all know not to spend money at his shop because he is a posed disgracing the memories of those who have served and still do.
What he said.
100%
Thoughts on the aimpoint compM2 4moa red dot can get it on ebay for prolly 170 its brand new an its a pawn shop dealer in the U.S.
Use the period button on your cell phone. Please. And you are not going to find any EOTech or Aimpoint for $100. Even a beat-to-hell one should be more than that. Stick with your irons until you have the money. There's no shame in it. I was just on the range today and was wishing I had done a lot more work with mine in the past.
Please, for you know whos sake, save the money and get an aimpoint or an eotech, DO NOT buy UTG, it is not worth the money.
Im pretty sure ya'll got GOT! This guy is obviously pulling everyone's leg...think about it ;)
Yep...the T-1 from hong kong post convinced me this was a specimen of "forumas trollus", known to live in their mothers' basements eating Cheetos, watching porn, and posting asinine antagonizing posts for some measure of entertainment while mom is cooking their meatloaf.
I took back the pos utg an bought a eotech 512.
I took back the pos utg an bought a eotech 512.
...who wants to tell him? :blink:
DeltaSierra
09-18-12, 15:31
Tell me what?
Someone needs to tell you that an Eotech 512 is GARBAGE.
You really should have listened to the advice you were given, and gotten an Aimpoint, any Aimpoint, before purchasing an Eothingy.
Also, try to take a little more time when posting, and try to write a properly structured sentence, rather than the hit-and-run style one-liners that are nearly impossible to read, much less understand.
Oh so now an eotech is garbage??? Seems like if no one has an aimpoint on here its garbage! My bad I don't put a whole paragraph on here didn't know I was in English class. But please inform me with good reason why eotech is garbage
Oh so now an eotech is garbage??? Seems like if no one has an aimpoint on here its garbage! My bad I don't put a whole paragraph on here didn't know I was in English class. But please inform me with good reason why eotech is garbage
If this doesn't work say your Bushmaster is better than your BCM. Tha usually works.:rolleyes:
polymorpheous
09-18-12, 18:29
Oh so now an eotech is garbage??? Seems like if no one has an aimpoint on here its garbage! My bad I don't put a whole paragraph on here didn't know I was in English class. But please inform me with good reason why eotech is garbage
That series EoTech in particular has had known issues with the batteries and their connections.
In short, recoil basically kills the optic.
Battery life on them is also poor.
I don't own a bushmaster, and from what I've gathered off of eotechs website an other sites the eotech 512 was one of the first designs and I know for a fact used by military an law enforcement. Maybe not the 512 but models alike. I have a brother in law whi served in the Marine Corps, did 3 tours in iraq, an my other brother in law is in the airforce.. ya he don't handle weapons much but.know what is issued he's done 1 tour in the shit whole overseas.
From my research, which everyone had continued to tell me to do which is hatd with a slow cell phone sorry.....But from my research yes I've heard of the low battery life an everything but I've gathered that they have fixed the issues since. No to mention optics around where I live are for M4s are harder an hardee to.get right now with everyone buying ARs. And I did go to a different gun shop that's more well known with a lot of ex military an police an all have an eotech on at least one of there ARs/M4
Sorry for the mistakes in last post:suicide:
No, the 512 is crap. Yes you see it in use with military and LE. My duty rifle has a 512. If you must get an EOTech the consensus is to get one of the XPS line.
So I'm assuming your LE or Military since you said its on your DUTY rifle which means it cant be that shitty. Or else you wouldn't have it issused to you or you put it on there. Eotech to me any series is good, also every optic is going to have.issues I don't care what ppl say.
Also why would they issue a marine with a 512 knowing his life is on the line if its crap?
polymorpheous
09-18-12, 19:25
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=95365
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=88003&highlight=EoTech+512
mallowpufft
09-18-12, 19:43
Also why would they issue a marine with a 512 knowing his life is on the line if its crap?
Because getting things changed in the supply lines is a biatch. I'm also guessing his unit has an armorer who routinely checks and replaces/repairs the battery box.
I personally like the eotech reticule. It's easy to pick up and pretty fast.
That being said, there are far better versions available (XPS series) that alleviate the issues with the 512. Battery life isn't a big deal to me on the eotech vs. aimpoint debate. AA batteries are cheap and if you have a replacement schedule you'll be fine.
Just pick up a spare battery box for when your current one dies and go shoot the piss out if your gun. Just be aware of the issues your optic is known for having.
Tapatalk ate my spelling and grammar.
DeltaSierra
09-18-12, 19:47
So I'm assuming your LE or Military since you said its on your DUTY rifle which means it cant be that shitty. Or else you wouldn't have it issused to you or you put it on there. Eotech to me any series is good, also every optic is going to have.issues I don't care what ppl say.
You don't care what people say? I don't either. I only care about the facts.
You know, just because an item is given an NSN, and is issued, doesn't make it infallible and perfectly free from all defects....
Not only that...
But, just because some ex-military or cops use or carry a certain item doesn't mean anything, really... All that means is that they believe exactly what you believe, ie, if it is issued, it must be wonderful...
No it has to do with there experience with it an the marine that was issued it never had an issue. Just because some have issues doesn't mean every 512 has issuses. Its kinda like guns say I take a colt an mine has issues dosent mean every colt on the market is messed up, some may some may not. Your an aimpoint fan obviously an will say what you think of another optic because you own a 700 dollar optic which is awsome I'm glad you can afford it. But I'm on a budget an am going to go with something that's almost just as good. Everyone has there own opinion. Not to mention Im not going to war I wanted a good optic for what I use my gun for which is range time maybe sometime a carbine class but for now no...
So I'm assuming your LE or Military since you said its on your DUTY rifle which means it cant be that shitty. Or else you wouldn't have it issused to you or you put it on there. Eotech to me any series is good, also every optic is going to have.issues I don't care what ppl say.
It's more like I don't have a choice. My rifle is also mostly Rock River with a 1/9 twist. It also has a commercial diameter receiver extension. It is in no way the rifle I would choose to carry but I don't get that option. And yes it has a crappy 512. The other day I noticed the reticle no longer gets bright enough to be useful - even with brand new batteries. I also know we have sent boxes of them back for warranty work.
Just because something is issued to LE/mil doesn't mean it's the best. The people on this site are telling you things that have been learned over the years - sometimes the expensive way. Do your own research and you will see for yourself.
I've done my research like I've mentioned in previous post an have heard nothing but good reviews. Not to mention a guy I work with has a 512 an has never had a problem.
IYAAYASwarrior
09-18-12, 20:27
Best advice I could offer up is run it through the rigors and come to a conclusion on your own.
polymorpheous
09-18-12, 22:02
Good luck with your rifle OP.
Singlestack Wonder
09-19-12, 09:22
In the future I suggest that any threads started with UTG in the subject be automatically closed! :D
FMJ5.56: If you really did "your research" (especially here) you would have found that the eotech 512 has a proven track record of problems.
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