View Full Version : Is there a "scout rifle" option in 223?
brickboy240
09-21-12, 11:46
I was wondering....
I would like to build a rifle closer to the concept of the Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle but in 223...not 308.
I know that finding a 223 boltgun that has a lerger mag than 5 rounds is probably moot but the size and configuration of the Ruger Gunsite is appealing. I can live without the 10 rounder if I have to.
Is there a quality 223 boltgun out there with a shorter barrel of 16-18 inches that could be converted into a nice Scout Rifle?
Maybe taking one of the M700 or M70 "youth" models and modding it out?
Just wondering.....I love the Scout Rifle concept but could really use it in 223 and not 308.
Thanks,
-brickboy240
Mossberg has a model I was looking at buying let me find it...
oh and it has ten round mags - AR MAGS!!. Mossberg MVP 5.56/.223
http://www.mossberg.com/products/rifles/centerfire/mvp-varmint
I was wondering....
I would like to build a rifle closer to the concept of the Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle but in 223...not 308.
I know that finding a 223 boltgun that has a lerger mag than 5 rounds is probably moot but the size and configuration of the Ruger Gunsite is appealing. I can live without the 10 rounder if I have to.
Is there a quality 223 boltgun out there with a shorter barrel of 16-18 inches that could be converted into a nice Scout Rifle?
Maybe taking one of the M700 or M70 "youth" models and modding it out?
Just wondering.....I love the Scout Rifle concept but could really use it in 223 and not 308.
Thanks,
-brickboy240
Doesn't Steyr make an excellent scout rifle in .223? It's surprising to me how few bolt action scout style rifles in .223 exist out there.
Mossberg has a model I was looking at buying let me find it...
oh and it has ten round mags - AR MAGS!!. Mossberg MVP 5.56/.223
http://www.mossberg.com/products/rifles/centerfire/mvp-varmint
How's the quality on those? I never think of Mossberg as a bolt action rifle company, but could be wrong there.
How's the quality on those? I never think of Mossberg as a bolt action rifle company, but could be wrong there.
here is a review I have read a few good reviews, for the price I really want one. and I just happen to have a pack of coyotes getting brave nearby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6ouPAzO9k0&feature=related
I beleive it's Sako that makes a detachable mag, youth/ladies model in .223 with iron sights. It didn't offer a LER scope mounting option, but it looked very interesting.
"Scout" models evoke specific imagery and features. Short, light, handy bolt guns are fairly plentiful and can be built up to different scout-rifle concepts if you're flexible. Rem 700s, Ruger M77s are my favorites but others work as well.
brickboy240
09-21-12, 15:25
I should have stated....no Steyr or Sakos.
I have a mortgage and kids to put through school and do not have Trump's wallet! LOL
A rifle well under a grand, please. Guns for regular 99% working folks.
-brickboy240
here is a review I have read a few good reviews, for the price I really want one. and I just happen to have a pack of coyotes getting brave nearby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6ouPAzO9k0&feature=related
Thanx. :cool:
Why wouldn't a youth 20 inch rem 700. I think it would. Maybe a tikka. That scout dealio only has the box mag that makes it different for the most part. Tikka would be pretty close. It has detach box mag.
You could get a an aftermarket detach mag box for the remmy but that is $$$$
PB
brickboy240
09-26-12, 16:17
Yep...I am thinking a 700 Rem Youth 20" 223 and I can place that in the stock of my choice and add optics.
Ought to give me what I want and not really break the bank.
I trust the M700, as I have one in 270Win and am used to the action. Honestly, I have never owned a Ruger or Mossberg bolt gun.
-brickboy240
A-Bolt would be a good choice in 223 plus only need to move that bolt 60 degrees.
Check out the CZ 527. Short barrel, iron sighted, and has detachable mags. Also comes in 7.62x39.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/auction_info.php/products_id/31199/auctions_id/2707/page/1/auction_show/1
This one shows no irons but I'm almost certain they can be had with irons.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/992230441/Guns/Rifles/CZ/CZ_527_Carbine_in_223_Caliber.htm
One for sale with irons.
filthy phil
09-27-12, 04:43
I saw a bolt gun that takes ar. mags somewhere
nineteenkilo
09-27-12, 08:57
All of the Mossberg rifles that I have encountered have been good to go with 1 exception. I was spending some time at the range with a 100ATR in 30-06 and had an extractor break. Mossberg had me a new one within a couple of days with no questions asked. The 4x4's have been solid all around despite being fugly IMO.
I know a few local hunters who couldn't resist them and have had nothing but praise for them as well.
How's the quality on those? I never think of Mossberg as a bolt action rifle company, but could be wrong there.
I have 3 different older bolt guns that are Mossbergs. Granted, 2 of them are 22lr and one is a 22 Magnum but they shoot fantastic, especially the 22 Mag, that thing is crazy accurate.
chapperjoe
09-27-12, 09:37
Are you set on a bolt gun?
a MRP in 223 with a lightweight barrel could mount a scope forward.
a VIS is monolithic enough as well.
a URX too probably.
OR take it down a notch and save big with a saig or AK in 223 and a forward scout mount.
(though I'd only buy a high quality scope for mounting on the gas tube or near it.)
On thing I would consider is field sustainability. Parts for the Remington 700 series are widely available as is armorer/gunsmith information. Ruger M77s as well with some exceptions. Others may or may not be.
If the gun has to go back to the manufacturer for common repairs, it need not apply.
Why wouldn't a youth 20 inch rem 700. I think it would. Maybe a tikka. That scout dealio only has the box mag that makes it different for the most part. Tikka would be pretty close. It has detach box mag.
You could get a an aftermarket detach mag box for the remmy but that is $$$$
PB
Yep I have a Tikka T3 in .223 with detach mags, and you can get 6rd mags for them. Nice thing is, these factory barrels come with a 1:8 twist so that they can stabilize the larger projectiles.
snakedoc257
10-16-12, 00:02
I too was looking for a similar rifle and this weekend at a gun show I discovered Savages Hog Hunter line. It comes in .223, .308, and .338. The price is right at around $400. The internal box magazine is a downside though.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/savagefiles/firearms/models/900/k9n4A478j_8P0556tI1.png
SeriousStudent
10-16-12, 00:15
May I be so bold as to suggest a used Winchester Model 70, in the Ranger configuration? I snagged a used one at Cabela's, with a Leupold 3x9 scope for $200. It has a 20" barrel and a youth stock.
Even with the $300 you would have to pay for a new detachable bottom metal and mags, you'd still be ahead.
I had thought about exactly what you had planned - a Scout rifle in .223 for my daughter. Instead, I'm going to get it rebarreled in 7MM-08 as a light handy deer gun.
I too was looking for a similar rifle and this weekend at a gun show I discovered Savages Hog Hunter line. It comes in .223, .308, and .338. The price is right at around $400. The internal box magazine is a downside though.
Interesting. I'm not a fan of accu-trigger though. Also appears unnecessarily heavy. Stock is reportedly adjustable, but I don't see specifics on how its done, nor what the minimum LOP is.
May I be so bold as to suggest a used Winchester Model 70, in the Ranger configuration? I snagged a used one at Cabela's, with a Leupold 3x9 scope for $200. It has a 20" barrel and a youth stock.
You done good. Handy.
SeriousStudent
10-16-12, 20:43
Thank you, kind sir.
CDI Precision makes a detachable bottom metal system for it. I may still go that route, even with the 7MM-08.
I'm likely going to sell off the scope, rings and bases, and drop a NightForce or US Optics 1-4 on it. I'm planning on this more as a brush gun, than something that reaches 500 meters across a soybean field. I'm already got a Remington 700 in .308 for that.
snakedoc257
10-16-12, 22:48
SeriousStudent, Good idea, I like the idea of the Winchester in a Ranger config. Maybe I should have read this post earlier. Oh well, I went ahead and bought the Hog Hunter this morning in .308. I feel like its a good starting point at $419 out the door. I've got to address the stock right away though. I may leave it an internal box magazine, not sure yet.
Skintop911, the weight isn't too bad, but it would handle better with a better quality stock on it. The "adjustable" part must be a type-o, because other than being free floating that's about all it has going for it. The length of pull feels around 14".
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=e88446df51&view=att&th=13a6bbf3c5bf3223&attid=0.1&disp=thd&realattid=1416025564694708224-1&zw
SeriousStudent, Good idea, I like the idea of the Winchester in a Ranger config. Maybe I should have read this post earlier. Oh well, I went ahead and bought the Hog Hunter this morning in .308. I feel like its a good starting point at $419 out the door. I've got to address the stock right away though. I may leave it an internal box magazine, not sure yet.
Skintop911, the weight isn't too bad, but it would handle better with a better quality stock on it. The "adjustable" part must be a type-o, because other than being free floating that's about all it has going for it. The length of pull feels around 14".
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=e88446df51&view=att&th=13a6bbf3c5bf3223&attid=0.1&disp=thd&realattid=1416025564694708224-1&zw
Thanks for the info. I'm not a big fan of Savage rifles, but they have a place and are popular. I'd love to see a detailed write up on it when you have time, with some pics.
snakedoc257
10-17-12, 18:42
I'll definitely report back. I'm trying to decide on a stock now. Looks like it's going to be a ghillie green hogue. Will be leaving it a blind mag for now.
I was contemplating optics, but I think I just came to a decision. I had ordered a millet dms1 for an AR I'm putting together, but I've decided to go aimpoint instead. I'm going to mount up this 1-4x scope with a one piece rail and some quick detach rings and see how I like it. In the event I ever do go hog hunting this it seems applicable.
Your pocket will determine how far you want to go and how proud you are of it. The big thing is think long term and in stages to get what you want.
A suggestion of flow
Base 700, stainless or blue?
1-1st upgrade-shorten stock barrel and have muzzle device installed if wanted.
2- Leave rifle as is and have a barrel made, one option is the prepped Douglas barrels from Brownells(again, options on the barrel)
3-Choose stock and bottom metal (options up to you)
4-I suggest starting with a base Leupold rear mounted scope and upgrading later on to a model such as the VX6 1-6.
As you can see, you can get to where you want and in stages without loosing your stage expenses
One day I would like to do this, but in 300 BLK and 16" barrel.
Of course on the stock-you could make it a folder and the cost of a manners with bottom metal, you are half way there.
http://www.eberlestock.com/M11%20Stealth%20Rifle%20Chassis.htm
I would do this
Rem 700
Barrel-choice is to you
B&C stock for start
Seekins bottom metal(and use AICS 10 round .223 mags)
Now on the barrel, you can do whatever you want in regards to profile, length, finish and muzzle attachments. I imagine you want it light? You can always start with a standard SPS and have it cut/crowned. Later on you could choose a nice match grade, have it shortened and threaded with muzzle device of choice. Manners makes a really nice stock as well and you can order it with certain features such as QD points on the left/right side to facilitate carry with a sling like the VCAS. Oh--and get the lightweight option.(carbon fiber shell) Also, you can op for the mini chassis Manners offers. I'm certain any competent Gunsmith could inlet, install and bed the Seekins into a Manners stock if that's what you want.
http://www.seekinsprecision.com/detachable-bottom-metal-153.html
http://shop.milehighshooting.com/AI-6616-223-Polymer-10-shot-AI6616.htm
http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/StoreFront
http://mannersstocks.com/
Doc. Holiday
10-18-12, 13:18
Your pocket will determine how far you want to go and how proud you are of it. The big thing is think long term and in stages to get what you want.
A suggestion of flow
Base 700, stainless or blue?
1-1st upgrade-shorten stock barrel and have muzzle device installed if wanted.
2- Leave rifle as is and have a barrel made, one option is the prepped Douglas barrels from Brownells(again, options on the barrel)
3-Choose stock and bottom metal (options up to you)
4-I suggest starting with a base Leupold rear mounted scope and upgrading later on to a model such as the VX6 1-6.
As you can see, you can get to where you want and in stages without loosing your stage expenses
One day I would like to do this, but in 300 BLK and 16" barrel.
Of course on the stock-you could make it a folder and the cost of a manners with bottom metal, you are half way there.
http://www.eberlestock.com/M11%20Stealth%20Rifle%20Chassis.htm
I would do this
Rem 700
Barrel-choice is to you
B&C stock for start
Seekins bottom metal(and use AICS 10 round .223 mags)
Now on the barrel, you can do whatever you want in regards to profile, length, finish and muzzle attachments. I imagine you want it light? You can always start with a standard SPS and have it cut/crowned. Later on you could choose a nice match grade, have it shortened and threaded with muzzle device of choice. Manners makes a really nice stock as well and you can order it with certain features such as QD points on the left/right side to facilitate carry with a sling like the VCAS. Oh--and get the lightweight option.(carbon fiber shell) Also, you can op for the mini chassis Manners offers. I'm certain any competent Gunsmith could inlet, install and bed the Seekins into a Manners stock if that's what you want.
http://www.seekinsprecision.com/detachable-bottom-metal-153.html
http://shop.milehighshooting.com/AI-6616-223-Polymer-10-shot-AI6616.htm
http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/StoreFront
http://mannersstocks.com/
1+ Since your out for Steyr, I would go with this. There are so many options to these guns it's unreal...
1859sharps
10-23-12, 12:58
purely informational, steyr does make a 223 "scout".
http://www.steyrarms.com/products/hunting-rifles/scout/
as far as price of the project...do compare the cost of piecing it together, time to do so, with just saving and buying a steyr.
If you don't mind used, you might save some money there. I once saw a pre owned 223 steyr scout for sale....$650... I still kick my self for not buying it right then and there.
cheaper than dirt has one listed for $1760. I found another on gunsamerica listed at 98% for $1400. After you add up your cost and time to make your home made scout, can you beat that? just some food for thought.
JBecker 72
10-23-12, 13:08
Whatever happened to the .223 Ruger Gunsite Scout, I thought they were gonna make one?
brickboy240
10-23-12, 13:47
A friend of mine said he spied a few M700 Youth Remingtons in 223 and 243 at a gun show in the 300-400 dollar range.
That is probably my best option and the cheapest - hit the shows with cash for a 223 caliber M700 or maybe a push feed Model 70 in 223.
They are still out there and very affordable.
-brickboy240
Doc. Holiday
10-23-12, 15:43
purely informational, steyr does make a 223 "scout".
http://www.steyrarms.com/products/hunting-rifles/scout/
as far as price of the project...do compare the cost of piecing it together, time to do so, with just saving and buying a steyr.
If you don't mind used, you might save some money there. I once saw a pre owned 223 steyr scout for sale....$650... I still kick my self for not buying it right then and there.
cheaper than dirt has one listed for $1760. I found another on gunsamerica listed at 98% for $1400. After you add up your cost and time to make your home made scout, can you beat that? just some food for thought.
Jeez...where was I at when those offers were on the table! haha
Check out the CZ 527. Short barrel, iron sighted, and has detachable mags. Also comes in 7.62x39.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/auction_info.php/products_id/31199/auctions_id/2707/page/1/auction_show/1
This one shows no irons but I'm almost certain they can be had with irons.
Second on the cz 527. I own a few cz452s and love them. A 527 is at the top of my current list.
Too bad they don't make the 527 with a 1:7 twist..even better yet a 6.8 :D
Col Cooper is turning over in his grave...
"There is no possible reason for a scout-type rifle in that caliber".
"One would ask what possible use there might be for that piece. An answer, of course, is "to sell!" I suppose people will buy it, but if anyone shows up here at the Ranch with one, he will be viewed with scorn."
"I now await the Luftscout, which is an airgun riding in a Scout stock."
brickboy240
11-21-12, 11:36
Col. Cooper also poo pooed the Glock and thought it was junk.
I admire the Colonel and what he brought to the table but not everything he said or believed is golden.
...there...I said it...flame away! LOL
-brickboy240
Or the Savage 11 Lightweight Hunter.
It has a 20" barrel though.
Years ago, I did extensive research on the Scout, which included exchanging several letters with Cooper on it. After building one and hunting with nothing else for several years, I went to a short, light .308 that has a conventional scope. Several fairly high-profile Cooper disciples did the same.
As you look at Scouts today, remember that Cooper only outlined the concept. Most of the rifles that he had built, like his daughter’s rifle, do not meet his own demands. Also remember that we have components that he didn’t: he wrote that a Scout scope should not be more than 2.5x (1x was fine) and that it should have a colored reticle, which sounds a lot like a T-1 or an ACOG to me.
He focused on bolt guns because no 308 semis were light enough, but he often wrote that a Scout could be a semi or a lever gun if it made weight. So if you want a 223, then why not build a featherweight M-4 as described in many threads on the custom forum? You’d get nearly all key Scout criteria: good trigger, detachable magazines, folding sights, three-point sling, and forward-mounted scope. You’d probably still be able to make weight, which is where most people depart from the original concept.
If I had to build a 223 Scout on a bolt-action, then I’d use a Remington M-7. I’d put a T-1 on the forward receiver ring, then add iron sights, a three-point sling, and a better stock. The CZ and the Remington 788 are also good choices, but it costs more to get them across the finish line.
Okie John
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