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jeanclaudesegal

09-24-12, 18:30

Hi Everyone
I thought i would share with everyone here on my new glock 30 460 Rowland conversion that i did..i made a few videos on youtube and it tells you the difference between various calibers that i own.Tell me what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QQvlrMniiSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aE6nn8djStQ#!

Talon167

09-24-12, 18:40

So where are the videos of you shooting it?

jeanclaudesegal

09-24-12, 18:55

will post some soon..still working on getting my camera in the gun range..

S. Galbraith

09-24-12, 19:10

You should do a torture test and see how long it takes before something breaks.

jeanclaudesegal

09-24-12, 19:16

S. Galbraith

09-24-12, 20:18

it would be the same tolerance level as your average glock..i know they have already tested over 5000 rounds through the glock 30 using the conversion kit with no problems..i dont think i will be shooting 5000 rounds through it..the only diffence is the 460 chambering with a reinforced barrel and a stiffer spring with steel guide rod..

It will be interesting to see how long it lasts. I cannot imagine that a .45acp Glock would hold up long with the 460 has it doubles the recoil energy on the pistol. The slide weight of the Glock was designed for a .45acp. Different calibers get different slide weights depending on their recoil level. Slide weight not only dampens the recoil force to the rear, but it also slows down the forward momentum as the slide moves forward. This is a big problem with increasing recoil spring tension, as it increases the closing slide velocity. I have seen a wide range of handguns break slide stops and frame inserts due to increase slide velocity when stiffer, aftermarket recoil springs are used. Another issued is the increased shock to mating parts where those coated parts start wearing silver with use. This wear is much more accelerated with increased recoil(regardless of the recoil spring used).

jeanclaudesegal

09-24-12, 20:37

will keep you posted if anything like that happens..i use to have the glock 29 which is the same frame as the glock 30..i use to load hot 10mm loads going around 1500fps at 900lbs of energy..ive had that gun for over 7 years shooting thousands of rounds through it with no problems..i dont think the 460 rowland will have too much effect on the glock frame or slide..maybe if it were full auto and constantly shooting it 1000s of times a day..i could see parts maybe start to fall off..but as a single shot gun and already has been tested with hot rounds over 5000 times ..i doubt it..But i will still follow up if anything goes wrong

jeanclaudesegal

10-04-12, 20:40

It will be interesting to see how long it lasts. I cannot imagine that a .45acp Glock would hold up long with the 460 has it doubles the recoil energy on the pistol. The slide weight of the Glock was designed for a .45acp. Different calibers get different slide weights depending on their recoil level. Slide weight not only dampens the recoil force to the rear, but it also slows down the forward momentum as the slide moves forward. This is a big problem with increasing recoil spring tension, as it increases the closing slide velocity. I have seen a wide range of handguns break slide stops and frame inserts due to increase slide velocity when stiffer, aftermarket recoil springs are used. Another issued is the increased shock to mating parts where those coated parts start wearing silver with use. This wear is much more accelerated with increased recoil(regardless of the recoil spring used).

Ok so i have an update on the wear and tear on my glock using the 460Rowland conversion... After 300 bucks worth of ammo and 920rounds later..the glock frame has proven itself all over again..It still remains ontop of its game..i have not had any pieces fall off or shown any major signs of wear and tear..I have had a few misfeeds but no failure to eject.the loads i was using were the full powered 185gr Nosler Jacketed hollow points rated at 1550fps loaded to 39,000psi..I have included a few pics of my glock below

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4605_zpse1c5e07c.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4608_zpsad11ce3d.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4607_zpsc7c2143f.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4606_zpsb114eb98.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4603_zps31aa820b.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4601_zps3be9c84c.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4602_zps61e8de42.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4604_zps9f2214d7.jpg

NWPilgrim

10-04-12, 21:09

Looks like that compensator really works. That is pretty impressive velocities. Have you had a chance to check the velocity out if the G30?

Do you reload for this?

jeanclaudesegal

10-04-12, 21:21

Hello

No i dont currently reload..but i am in the process of reloading and getting everything together..as of now i am spending a butt load of money on ammo..The glock 30 is rated at 1455fps-1468fps ..i have not personally chrono it..but from the manufacture that i purchase the ammo from, those are the numbers he is getting..

tuck

10-04-12, 21:53

Thanks for posting this.

I've been researching the 460 conversions and have been thinking about one for my 1911.

jeanclaudesegal

10-04-12, 22:03

it is deffinately something to think about..you can see a few videos on youtube of some 1911 conversions

tuck

10-04-12, 22:08

it is deffinately something to think about..you can see a few videos on youtube of some 1911 conversions

I found a few table-top reviews and the like, but not many of people doing any significant shooting.

I do like the concept though and like the thought of having an effective deer hunting cartridge in my 1911.

jeanclaudesegal

10-04-12, 22:11

I found a few table-top reviews and the like, but not many of people doing any significant shooting.

I do like the concept though and like the thought of having an effective deer hunting cartridge in my 1911.

Yes it would be a great sidearms for those purposes as well..here is a youtube link of a guy shooting the 460rowland out of his 1911

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAlrgKm77Ow

piesandcheese

10-05-12, 00:23

Congrats on the successful caliber conversion! I don't have any personal experience with the 460, but I've done a ton of research on it and I'm considering the jump. 900lbs of energy from a handgun is just so damned amazing!

jeanclaudesegal

10-05-12, 00:37

you wont regret it..it is an excellent addition to any handgun collection.. Remember this conversion can shoot 3 different callibers .. 45acp..45super and 460 Rowland

S. Galbraith

10-05-12, 09:18

Ok so i have an update on the wear and tear on my glock using the 460Rowland conversion... After 300 bucks worth of ammo and 920rounds later..the glock frame has proven itself all over again..It still remains ontop of its game..i have not had any pieces fall off or shown any major signs of wear and tear..I have had a few misfeeds but no failure to eject.the loads i was using were the full powered 185gr Nosler Jacketed hollow points rated at 1550fps loaded to 39,000psi..I have included a few pics of my glock below

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4605_zpse1c5e07c.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4608_zpsad11ce3d.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4607_zpsc7c2143f.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4606_zpsb114eb98.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4603_zps31aa820b.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4601_zps3be9c84c.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4602_zps61e8de42.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/4604_zps9f2214d7.jpg

I supposed shooting the .460 wouldn't be so bad for a limited round count and as a special purpose caliber. IE, animal protection.....and then use .45acp for training and two-legged defense. I'm not surprised that it would last 1000rds, as that is still a pretty low round count. During the winter months when I have more time to spend on the range, I will go through around 1000rds of hangun ammo per month. Of the three pistols that I use for on/off duty, all of them have over 50k rounds through them.

MattHallman

10-05-12, 09:27

Id rather have this:

http://guncrafterindustries.com/sneakpreview.shtml

jeanclaudesegal

10-05-12, 17:52

I supposed shooting the .460 wouldn't be so bad for a limited round count and as a special purpose caliber. IE, animal protection.....and then use .45acp for training and two-legged defense. I'm not surprised that it would last 1000rds, as that is still a pretty low round count. During the winter months when I have more time to spend on the range, I will go through around 1000rds of hangun ammo per month. Of the three pistols that I use for on/off duty, all of them have over 50k rounds through them.

Hello and thank you for the comment..The 920rounds that were shot out of the glock 30 were painful..i dont see me shooting another 920rounds of 460rowland anytime soon..as much as i love shooting, i will stick with plinking with my 45acp..the purpose of my test was to see how well the tolerance levels of the glock frame and slide would hold up..and in the end result, it met and exceeded my expectations..Shooting 920 full powered 460 rowland loads through a polymer frame feels like shooting 920 full powered 44magnum loads through a revolver..It does not feel pleasant after the first 100 rounds..The 45acp i carry with me daily is more than enough for self defense..when i go to my hunting lease I switch over, because i feel more secure packing in the 460Rowland power house against dangerous game..

jeanclaudesegal

10-05-12, 18:23

Id rather have this:

http://guncrafterindustries.com/sneakpreview.shtml

You are correct..The 50GI is one Badd A** Motha F**C**R..I have that too..I use it more for self defense or a night stand gun..I do have the 300grain rounds in gold dots and Rainer bullets that work great for hogs and other hunting applications..but the power levels dont match the 460Rowland..The nice unique thing about the 50gi that i prefer over the 460rowland is the .50cal half inch bullet that it throws..

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/50givs460rowland_zpseb25a3e1.jpg

http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u372/jeanclaudesegal/50gibulletsvs460rowland_zpsac40f766.jpg

d90king

10-05-12, 18:31

ruddyhair

10-05-12, 19:20

jeanclaudesegal

10-05-12, 20:53

Are you a hunter?

Yes kinda sorta..I usually kill 1 or two hogs a year..i only kill to consume not for sport...I dont hunt alot but i do alot of hiking and recreational shooting out at my Deer lease..i have 7000acres to roam through.there is black bear and cougar in my neck of the woods..so i always like to pack alot of firepower..

jeanclaudesegal

10-05-12, 21:01

thanks for posting. I was considering a 10mm conversion for my g30 but was concerned after reading about reliability issues. Looking to better my g30 as a hiking woods gun if possible to avoid a .44 purchase. Need to read up on this option now - can you elaborate any more on reliability? Thx

So far so good..with reliability ,The cartridge is very accurate and of course very powerful.it is rated close to the 45 winchester magnum.,Basically you have the reliablity of the glock frame that has stood up against time/torture and weather...the only down side of the caliber is that it does abuse the piss out of your hands from the recoil it gives.You are not gonna want to rapid fire this gun..it pushes into your hands.. ..after 50-100rounds you are not gonna wanna shoot it for a while..The 10mm is also a great option..i use to have a glock 29 which is the twin brother to the glock 30..It also has one heluva punch using full powered loads.

okie john

10-06-12, 15:23

I do like the concept though and like the thought of having an effective deer hunting cartridge in my 1911.

The 45 ACP is an effective deer-hunting cartridge. The key is hitting the 8" vital zone of a deer. I've killed several deer inside of 60m with a 44 Magnum loaded to 45 ACP ballistics. They die just as fast as if you hit them with a 308, and the pistol tears up a lot less meat. Hitting the heart-lung area is the key. They keel over right quick if you do that.

I think the 460 Rowland or a similar cartridge in a high-cap semi-auto makes a LOT of sense for hogs, but I wouldn't let the lack of one stop me from hunting deer with a 1911--or any other 45 ACP.

Okie John

tuck

10-06-12, 15:27

The 45 ACP is an effective deer-hunting cartridge. The key is hitting the 8" vital zone of a deer. I've killed several deer inside of 60m with a 44 Magnum loaded to 45 ACP ballistics. They die just as fast as if you hit them with a 308, and the pistol tears up a lot less meat. Hitting the heart-lung area is the key. They keel over right quick if you do that.

I think the 460 Rowland or a similar cartridge in a high-cap semi-auto makes a LOT of sense for hogs, but I wouldn't let the lack of one stop me from hunting deer with a 1911--or any other 45 ACP.

Okie John

Interesting...

What style/weight bullets do you recommend for .45 ACP in an anti-Bambi role?

okie john

10-06-12, 15:51

Interesting...

What style/weight bullets do you recommend for .45 ACP in an anti-Bambi role?

In a hunting handgun, I like anything with a big flat nose. A typical Keith-style SWC works well and most guns shoot them well without much load development. Anything from 230-250 works well on deer in the 44, and should be fine in the ACP. I haven't recovered one yet, so penetration must be more than enough.

A moderate load like that lets me practice enough to shoot my best without getting all beat up by recoil. Heavier bullets kick more, which means I can't practice as much, which makes it harder to place the shot precisely--and it's all about shot placement.

Deer don't need much killing. Pioneers killed boatloads of them with rifles that were about as powerful as a .32/20.

Okie John

jeanclaudesegal

10-06-12, 21:30

In a hunting handgun, I like anything with a big flat nose. A typical Keith-style SWC works well and most guns shoot them well without much load development. Anything from 230-250 works well on deer in the 44, and should be fine in the ACP. I haven't recovered one yet, so penetration must be more than enough.

A moderate load like that lets me practice enough to shoot my best without getting all beat up by recoil. Heavier bullets kick more, which means I can't practice as much, which makes it harder to place the shot precisely--and it's all about shot placement.

Deer don't need much killing. Pioneers killed boatloads of them with rifles that were about as powerful as a .32/20.

Okie John

You are correct..With correct shot placement..you dont really need a high powered magnum load to take down a deer..I really dont hunt much deer..mostly pigs and i do alot of recreational shooting..I like high powered big caliber guns because of stopping power and where i go hunting.. it is a god send due to alot of dangerous game in the area..

Mac5.56

10-07-12, 00:16

I grew up deep in the back country of grissly/mountain lion's best habitat in the lower 48 and never needed to pack a big caliber pistol to feel safe.

jeanclaudesegal

10-07-12, 00:48

I grew up deep in the back country of grissly/mountain lion's best habitat in the lower 48 and never needed to pack a big caliber pistol to feel safe.

To each his own..ive shot hogs with lighter calibers and they took off running with it and of course eventually dying later on ..and that was with good shot placement. and i really wouldnt consider them as dangerous game compared to mountain lion bears etc..As for being attacked by something like that ..you will only have a matter of seconds to react and more than likely you will not have the chance to get a good shot placement with either a smaller/larger caliber ..if you miss the vital areas and are able to shoot the shoulder or legs in a situation like that with the larger more powerful caliber, you will have a better chance of either slowing or knocking down the dangerous game versus a smaller caliber with less power.

Blades

10-07-12, 19:48

Id rather have this:

http://guncrafterindustries.com/sneakpreview.shtml

But they don't make that for the Glock 30. :mad:

jeanclaudesegal

10-07-12, 20:41

But they don't make that for the Glock 30. :mad:

Yea..I know that kinda sucks..i spoke with alex zimmerman about this and he says that he has no plans on making it for the small frame glock 30 or 36:(

Blades

10-07-12, 23:28

Yea..I know that kinda sucks..i spoke with alex zimmerman about this and he says that he has no plans on making it for the small frame glock 30 or 36:(

Oh well. I was considering a .460 Rowland someday in the future, but after reading your review, I think I'll pass. If I need something hot I'll buy some Underwood Ammo (http://www.underwoodammo.com/45acpp185graingoldsaberbrassjacketedhollowpointboxof50.aspx).

jeanclaudesegal

10-07-12, 23:54

Oh well. I was considering a .460 Rowland someday in the future, but after reading your review, I think I'll pass. If I need something hot I'll buy some Underwood Ammo (http://www.underwoodammo.com/45acpp185graingoldsaberbrassjacketedhollowpointboxof50.aspx).

yeah underwood ammo makes some good stuff..i know they are also loading 460rowland..The 460rowland is not everyones cup of tea..I preferably hate the recoil it gives in the polymer frame gun..What has drawn me to it though is the power factor and the accuracy out of a small package..The biggest bonus of them all is the fact that it can shoot 3 calibers through one gun..45acp 45 super 460Rowland..This is not only a bonus but a great value...i havent seen a conversion kit readily available in todays market that offers this out of such a small gun..johnny rowland basically has doubled the 45acp ballistics in energy and velocity in compact polymer gun..

Mac5.56

10-08-12, 00:51

To each his own..ive shot hogs with lighter calibers and they took off running with it and of course eventually dying later on ..and that was with good shot placement. and i really wouldnt consider them as dangerous game compared to mountain lion bears etc..As for being attacked by something like that ..you will only have a matter of seconds to react and more than likely you will not have the chance to get a good shot placement with either a smaller/larger caliber ..if you miss the vital areas and are able to shoot the shoulder or legs in a situation like that with the larger more powerful caliber, you will have a better chance of either slowing or knocking down the dangerous game versus a smaller caliber with less power.

How many stories have you read of people fighting of a grizzly bear with a pistol? Seriously? Do share.

Being an outdoorsman is not about having a big gun to fight of the big bad scary animals. It's about learning your environment, knowing when you are in danger, knowing when you are at risk, and having the knowledge to deal with these situations properly. This is not a T.V. show, or a video game, it's real life and placing all of your faith in a side arm with some magic caliber should not be your primary level of preparedness. If you know what you're doing you will never have an encounter with dangerous game unless you choose to. Learn your environment.

jeanclaudesegal

10-08-12, 01:33

How many stories have you read of people fighting of a grizzly bear with a pistol? Seriously? Do share.

Being an outdoorsman is not about having a big gun to fight of the big bad scary animals. It's about learning your environment, knowing when you are in danger, knowing when you are at risk, and having the knowledge to deal with those situations in such a way as to avoid risk, not invite it through over confidence. It's not a T.V. show, or a video game, it's real life. Learn your environment.

Very good comment..And there is fact in what you say.. living in south america for 19yrs of my life before moving to the U.S.. i have been in enviroments you probably never could imagine with some of the most dangerous animals you can ever possibly think that ever existed..Yes including jaguars and spectacled bears..the facts you speak of come into play with Knowing your enviroments and how to deal with those situations if ever encountered and also how to avoid them...this is something i now do having a family of my own and take very seriously.. BUT!! THE RISKS ARE STILL THERE..BLACK BEARS HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO CROSS TERRITORIES THAT WERE NOT EXPECTED IN SMALL RURAL CITIES .where i have my lease cougars and black bears have been spotted multiple times and they are not shy..WHAT DO YOU DO IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS EVEN THOUGH YOU TRIED TO AVOID IT??ONLY WISH YOU HAD THE BIGGEST BADDEST GUN ..I HAVE A FAMILY AND I AM NO TREE HUGGER..I WONT TELL MYSELF TO STAY CONFIDENT AND NOTHING MAY NEVER HAPPEN..ALWAYS EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED ..NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO AVOID THE SITUATION ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH YOUR SURROUNDINGS.....i have always been an outdoors person and somewhat of a hunter ....myself and family do alot of camping and hiking..Have you every encountered a life threatening situation with a wild animal?I have ..I was one of the lucky ones out of the 5 of us..14yrs ago in S.A one of our caretakers was badly mauled by a jaguar who unfortunately was carrying a .32 pistol ..he fired multiple shots at the jaguar ..which did not bring him down and pissed him off to where he disfigured the mans face..Luckily my father had his other 32pistol and started shooting more shots at him until the jaguar collapsed and died...and if you are wondering why both parties carry up to a 32cal ..it is because the Govt has banned anything over that caliber...AND YES GRIZZLY BEARS HAVE BEEN TAKEN WITH large and dangerous game with one shot.here is a video as an example. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5jvy65Mz70 ..even if they miss the vital points it has also been proven that this is enough to slow them down to follow up with a second more effect shot..Thus why large companies such as Smith and Wesson developed the 500S&W 460XVR and etc ....Ruger also teamed up with Hornady to make the 480Ruger for this same very reason....DONT GET ME WRONG ..THE FACTS YOU SPEAK OF ARE TRUE ..THERE IS NO ARGUMENT THERE BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SITUATION ON MANY DIFFERENT ANGLES.. ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENING TO YOU IN REAL LIFE..If you take a look at all my videos..Most of my hand guns are large calibers.Just from that experience alone has changed my thought process .I prefer to carry and hunt with big caliber weapons..