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The mayor announced today that police are going to impose drastic new measurers to keep teens off the streets... (http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/09/26/controversial-new-measures-planned-to-curb-violence-in-east-st-louis/)
**Minors are to be off the streets at ten o’clock on both weeknights and weekend nights.
**Minors on the street during school hours will be arrested on sight.
**Police will also perform I.D. checks on street corners and conduct gun searches, and Parks says he won’t hesitate to call in the National Guard if the spike in violence continues...
Parks announced they also plan to arrest adult males and young men wearing gang colors, amounting to a city-wide dress code.
“No royal blue, no bright red to be worn by our men or our boys in this community,”
Parks says the recent wave of crime is the probable cause and justifies the extreme new measures.
“Vehicles that are moving will be stopped and searched for guns, weapons, drugs, and open alcohol and any other violations that are taking place,” Parks later told KMOX’s Mark Reardon. “People who are walking, people who are bicycling, can be stopped and searched for the same and, when it comes to state IDs, we’re going to be confirming that state IDs are in place for everyone involved.”
“We have desperate times, they call for desperate measures and they call for extreme measures, things that we may not have done before, to get the desired results...
A truly desperate, yet much more effective message would be for police chiefs across the nation to call for both black parent responsibility and also accountability.
Moose-Knuckle
09-27-12, 19:33
St. Louis, another epic fail of Democratic Socialism.
Maybe they should take a page out of Chicago's playbook and ban handguns and other firearms. That did wonders for the oxygen thief on oxygen thief violence there . . . :rolleyes:
I wrote St. Louis off with Detroit, New Orleans, et al. years ago. It's like that poor little Dutch boy with his thumb in the dyke holding back the sea, tick-tock . . .
Perhaps this is why they came up with the short-sighted solution. Same crap we have to see on our news regularly here as well. Thank the Lord I am not forced to live in the city.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/html5/video?id=8827641&pid=8827362§ion=news/local
lethal dose
09-27-12, 19:36
I don't like the rams anymore.
Wow, I'm glad there are other places to cross the Mississippi...that search on my truck would take like 4 hours...I don't even know where all the knives/boxes of ammo are :D
This is insane bullshit, of course...though by dem. standards, just the natural progression...we'll see a work compulsion law sooner or later, it's Atlas Shrugged I tell you...the masses must un-think themselves for it to work, but they're all too willing to do that.
If a Republican did this I suspect the responses would be a little different......
If a Republican did this I suspect the responses would be a little different......
Do you mean the responses here on M4C or out in the world?
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Do you mean the responses here on M4C or out in the world?
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Both.
Magic_Salad0892
09-28-12, 00:36
What if the kid is home schooled?
What if the people aren't aware of gang colors? And who cares, what if they just happen to be wearing those colors for whatever reason?
Are they going to stop all moving vehicles? As in checkpoints?
What if that person is not from the area, and has an out of state ID. Do they still get arrested?
What if they're legally carrying concealed?
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-28-12, 00:42
East St. Louis people, not STL. Not that STL can be--- exciting itself, I got robbed at gunpoint in Soulard outside of McGurks once and Natural Bridge sounds so peaceful.....
East St. Louis is the dump that STL took in the Mississippi that the river barfed back up in Illinois...
Cross the creek and you understand why Jackie Jouner Coursey ran so fast. Good peelers, bad neighborhoods.
Actually going to be in STL this coming week. Gonna get me some wop slop on the Hill and some Ted Drewes....
Magic_Salad0892
09-28-12, 00:46
Wait a minute. I just realized something.
If you're in a moving vehicle you'll get searched. If you're not moving then you're loitering, and you'll be arrested. What the ****?
Moose-Knuckle
09-28-12, 00:47
If a Republican did this I suspect the responses would be a little different......
Nah, I hate NEOCON fascists as much as I hate Pinko commies.
If a Republican did this I suspect the responses would be a little different......
My reasons for posting it had nothing to do with any party affiliation. I didn't look, could care less and think it all amounts to unconstitutional actions on the behhalf of a public official. I don't give a shit if this asshole has a donkey or an elephant on his lapel he deserves a good curb stomp.
Try to focus on the issue.
What if the kid is home schooled?
What if the people aren't aware of gang colors? And who cares, what if they just happen to be wearing those colors for whatever reason?
Are they going to stop all moving vehicles? As in checkpoints?
What if that person is not from the area, and has an out of state ID. Do they still get arrested?
What if they're legally carrying concealed?
Keep your logic to yourself! ;)
Littlelebowski
09-28-12, 06:15
If a Republican did this I suspect the responses would be a little different......
He'd be "tough on crime" :D
My reasons for posting it had nothing to do with any party affiliation. I didn't look, could care less and think it all amounts to unconstitutional actions on the behhalf of a public official. I don't give a shit if this asshole has a donkey or an elephant on his lapel he deserves a good curb stomp.
Try to focus on the issue.
I'm quite focused on the issue thanks.
Reaction based on political affiliation is why shit likes this happens in the first place. Republican apparatchiks on this site will vociferously defend the very same actions of the Bush Admin. that causes them to react to Obama with breathless horror and rants about what a commie he is. It isn't just this site either, it's the nation as a whole. The "our team" mentality is what has allowed the two main parties to become flip sides of the same coin and do essentially the same reprehensible bullshit. Just look at the posts above mine.
And if this guy were a Republican there would be people on this site coming out in his defense, and in the broader world it would be a national news story (with the racial angle being hammed up).
He'd be "tough on crime" :D
Exactly.
The_War_Wagon
09-28-12, 07:09
St. Louis has truly descended into a vortex of suckiness (I didn't want to say "black hole," since we all know that such astronomical phenomena [quantum strings, wormholes, et.al.] are also 'racist'... :rolleyes: ), made only barely redeemable by the fact our church HQ and a seminary are located there. That, and last year's Cardinals' team.
Actually going to be in STL this coming week. Gonna get me some wop slop on the Hill and some Ted Drewes....
What days are you going to be in STL. Shoot me a PM. I am on vacation from the 1st-9th so will be home off work.
Got to go to Crown Candy and get the BLT and a giant milkshake. And some Pappy's BBQ.
oh I guess I need to make this post relevant to the OP.
Yea this is happening in Illinois. Do you expect anything different from Illinois?
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-28-12, 09:45
What days are you going to be in STL. Shoot me a PM. I am on vacation from the 1st-9th so will be home off work.
Got to go to Crown Candy and get the BLT and a giant milkshake. And some Pappy's BBQ.
oh I guess I need to make this post relevant to the OP.
Yea this is happening in Illinois. Do you expect anything different from Illinois?
We are the only ones actually talking about St. Louis. It's like talking about Manhattan and Newark, different states and a river between the two.
At least it doesn't sound like the police will be asking if you are a citizen, then that would really rile everyone up about the constitutional legality of this.
We're staying in St Louis tonight so I'll be sure to give 'em the finger on our way out.
It sounds like he is reacting the only way he knows, don't discipline the children when they are young and when they break the laws when they are older, kill them.
All residents are the same to him, everyone can be arrested for breaking some law, just dig around long enough.
Mo_Zam_Beek
09-28-12, 13:03
E. StL - been there and done that - partied at OZ NightClub (http://www.oznightclub.com) until morning all by my lonesome; and let's say the cab rides in the area were exciting to say the least.
Tough town. Life is cheap. Yes it is a violation of rights. On the other hand, this is a population loaded with bad actors that truly don't give a shit about the law and have no issue killing someone over the slightest matter. Not saying it is right, just saying it ain't Dorothy's Kansas.
Good luck
A truly desperate, yet much more effective message would be for police chiefs across the nation to call for both black parent responsibility and also accountability.
That would be racist.
I think we should replace the word "racist" with "realist".
For example, when I see a Jewish-looking guy carrying either a violin or a physics textbook, I can feel pretty sure that he is not going to mug me.
But if I see a crowd of black teens in an area with graffiti, burned out buildings, and hooptie cars, I do not feel the same confidence about not getting mugged.
Does that make me a racist? I think it makes me a realist.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-28-12, 15:26
E. StL - been there and done that - partied at OZ NightClub (http://www.oznightclub.com) until morning all by my lonesome; and let's say the cab rides in the area were exciting to say the least.
Tough town. Life is cheap. Yes it is a violation of rights. On the other hand, this is a population loaded with bad actors that truly don't give a shit about the law and have no issue killing someone over the slightest matter. Not saying it is right, just saying it ain't Dorothy's Kansas.
Good luck
The OZ. They had like $14 all you can drink Thursdays back in the early 90s- and a hot legs contest that always went to the girl who would drop her drawers. It's an Adult rated Disneyland over there.
The problem with our system is that the executive branch can propose glaringly unconstitutional policies, but the judiciary usually does not act to correct these excesses until after they have occurred. Thus, someone must go through the process of being falsely arrested, having their life turned upside down, and spending a small fortune on their defense before a judge/jury hopefully reverses the travesty.
The real question rests with the local prosecutors office and State's AG. Do they have enough sense to not pursue these charges?
Pumpkinheaver
09-28-12, 22:34
I'm guessing most of you didn't read the article. This atricle is talking about East St Louis, Illinios. Not St Louis Missouri. St Louis isn't great but East St Louis is a shithole!!!
E. StL - been there and done that - partied at OZ NightClub (http://www.oznightclub.com)
The O Z is actually in Sauget (formerly named Monsanto). I still haven't wrapped my head around the full situation of that towns operation/existense. Every mayor they have ever had has shared the last name Sauget BTW.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-28-12, 23:37
The O Z is actually in Sauget (formerly named Monsanto). I still haven't wrapped my head around the full situation of that towns operation/existense. Every mayor they have ever had has shared the last name Sauget BTW.
Easy to understand, hard to prove in court.... ;)
Easy to understand, hard to prove in court.... ;)
Sauget is such a set up for a shitty 1980s action movie that it's hard to believe it's actually real.
Magic_Salad0892
09-28-12, 23:55
That would be racist.
I think we should replace the word "racist" with "realist".
For example, when I see a Jewish-looking guy carrying either a violin or a physics textbook, I can feel pretty sure that he is not going to mug me.
But if I see a crowd of black teens in an area with graffiti, burned out buildings, and hooptie cars, I do not feel the same confidence about not getting mugged.
Does that make me a racist? I think it makes me a realist.
I agree.
However, all the times I've been robbed (3) it's been white dudes.
Well yet another example of our rights being violated. I will present this to my civics class and see what they think. Hopefully it will piss them off as much as it does me.
I agree.
However, all the times I've been robbed (3) it's been white dudes.
That is why you are still alive.
FromMyColdDeadHand
09-29-12, 08:54
I agree.
However, all the times I've been robbed (3) it's been white dudes.
That is why you are still alive.
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I agree.
However, all the times I've been robbed (3) it's been white dudes.
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However, all the times I've been robbed (3) it's been white dudes.
Been robbed three times up there in dangerous Oregon have you? What do you suspect it is that has made you such a tempting target?
HAMMERDROP
09-30-12, 20:22
If you have the time the following links may explain why the curfew and color ordinance was enacted...
http://fox2now.com/?s=rock+throwing+in+east+st+louis&search_submit=
http://fox2now.com/2012/09/30/east-st-louis-police-investigate-fifth-homicide-in-one-week/
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/dead-in-shooting-at-east-st-louis-night-club/article_fe09b3d2-058d-11e2-b2bc-0019bb30f31a.html
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/East-St-Louis-police-Teen-shot-while-mowing-lawn-3892170.php
Christ something has to be done and if a curfew and immediate arrests
can help solve the problem so be it and the arrested's family should have to provide food and pay rent. Google East St Louis and its one crime after another, from bumping your car to get you to stop and exchange 'insurance' info- lol. To breaking into your car when you attend the night life - the friggin' security guards must be blind or get a kickback.
Like Chris Rock once said she may not be a whore but if she wears the uniform...and that is what colors are in E.StLouis.
Crime happens in St Louis in a crazy way but not like across the river.
Michael
And this excuses pissing on the Constitution?
If the people want the crime to stop, it will.
http://rkba.org/comment/cowards.html
If you have the time the following links may explain why the curfew and color ordinance was enacted...
http://fox2now.com/?s=rock+throwing+in+east+st+louis&search_submit=
http://fox2now.com/2012/09/30/east-st-louis-police-investigate-fifth-homicide-in-one-week/
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/dead-in-shooting-at-east-st-louis-night-club/article_fe09b3d2-058d-11e2-b2bc-0019bb30f31a.html
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/East-St-Louis-police-Teen-shot-while-mowing-lawn-3892170.php
Christ something has to be done and if a curfew and immediate arrests
can help solve the problem so be it and the arrested's family should have to provide food and pay rent. Google East St Louis and its one crime after another, from bumping your car to get you to stop and exchange 'insurance' info- lol. To breaking into your car when you attend the night life - the friggin' security guards must be blind or get a kickback.
Like Chris Rock once said she may not be a whore but if she wears the uniform...and that is what colors are in E.StLouis.
Crime happens in St Louis in a crazy way but not like across the river.
Michael
Ugh, just had a pleasant little visit there. The guy on the megaphone, who had gathered a very large crowd on both sides of the red light I debated on running, said; "the white man's rayne is over, we will rise up and burn him!". But he said that last week also.
Many towns have curfews for minors, but some of the other stuff sounds like a bit much. Right or wrong, I think they've ran out of options with that place. Really a shame, when I look at old family photos it was an ideal middle class city before the goblins took over.
I'm guessing most of you didn't read the article. This atricle is talking about East St Louis, Illinios. Not St Louis Missouri. St Louis isn't great but East St Louis is a shithole!!!
Dramatic difference in views from the top of the Arch. Missouri is urban skyscrapers etc and Illinois is wasteland of run down warehouses.
Magic_Salad0892
09-30-12, 22:44
Been robbed three times up there in dangerous Oregon have you? What do you suspect it is that has made you such a tempting target?
California, when I lived there. No idea why.
What do you suspect it is that has made you such a tempting target?
The same question came immediately to mind.
California, when I lived there. No idea why.
If you've been mugged three times, you were/are doing something that you need to change!
California, when I lived there. No idea why.
A lot of times what those outside of law enforcement would apply the term robbed to are not in keeping with the legal definition of robbery. Of course, the legal definition of robbery can and will vary from state to state.
In Missouri, the offense of robbery is the taking of property by violence or the threat of violence. Someone points a gun at you and takes your wallet. Said person would have committed the offense of Robbery 1st Degree.
For someone to have been robbed three times is a big red flag. The odds are extremely low that it would EVER happen, let alone three times to the same person.
Magic_Salad0892
10-01-12, 02:19
A lot of times what those outside of law enforcement would apply the term robbed to are not in keeping with the legal definition of robbery. Of course, the legal definition of robbery can and will vary from state to state.
In Missouri, the offense of robbery is the taking of property by violence or the threat of violence. Someone points a gun at you and takes your wallet. Said person would have committed the offense of Robbery 1st Degree.
For someone to have been robbed three times is a big red flag. The odds are extremely low that it would EVER happen, let alone three times to the same person.
In California it's ''by force or fear''. And the perpetrator can be charged with witness intimidation as well.
And if you spend a significant time in Sacramento, California, especially the shitty parts at night... you'll understand why it happens so often.
1st time I was mugged. Dude pulled a gun on me, and stole some shit of mine, and a friend. I was about 17 at the time.
2nd time. I walked in on a dude breaking into my car. He pointed a gun at me as he made his escape. I was 19 at the time.
3rd time. My friend's car was stolen while we were both in it, near the Del Paso Heights area (Sacramento's ultra shit-hole). I was 22, and visiting home.
And yes, I know how unlikely it is to get robbed, especially three times in such a short time span. But California sucks, I hung out in shitty parts of the city, I'm not too bright, and my life is stupid, and always inconvenient.
Magic_Salad0892
10-01-12, 02:20
If you've been mugged three times, you were/are doing something that you need to change!
I'm not an intimidating looking guy at all, and usually travel alone.
HAMMERDROP
10-03-12, 03:49
And this excuses pissing on the Constitution?
If the people want the crime to stop, it will.
http://rkba.org/comment/cowards.html
Mr Senior Member,
Of course the residents of East St louis want the crime to stop by electing corrupt public officials to gather and accomplish nothing. Correct me if I am wrong but your AO is in Utah, right? The upstanding residents of East St Louis consist mainly of elderly people living in section 8 housing and who have lived there their entire life. They are easy pickings for the thugs who roam the street at night looking for a door to kick in. I am not a criminal but my choosing for a home invasion or a murder would have some financial benefit for me. The crimes mainly committed by the ages indicated described people of the age being targeted. I am not going to post links of crimes which specifically happen in East St Louis daily, by children in their early teens and early twenties, since you missed the point to begin with. There are many city blocks of East St Louis streets which have no street lights lit at night because the city cannot pay for the electric rsulting in some streets being as dark as counrty roads. Who do you think is hanging out drinking the 40oz the guy who has to get up and work in the morning? I wouldn't want my grandmother living on that block. All that is in a 3 mile radius of East St Louis that is generating revenue are topless joints open until 4am nightclubs who serve minors or allow them to loiter outside and liquor stores. Crimes that do have the police involved there are no wittnesses to, for fear of their life and property. So yes the constiution is getting pissed on East St Louis because if memory serves me correct the Constitution of the United States of America does mention life liberty the pursuit of happiness.
Michael
All that is in a 3 mile radius of East St Louis that is generating revenue are topless joints open until 4am nightclubs who serve minors ...
I can vouch for this.. when i was 19 and had a pocketful of pizza delivery money, i knew where could spend it!
For someone to have been robbed three times is a big red flag. The odds are extremely low that it would EVER happen, let alone three times to the same person.
Apparently you have never been to the ghetto.
Mr Senior Member,
Of course the residents of East St louis want the crime to stop by electing corrupt public officials to gather and accomplish nothing. Correct me if I am wrong but your AO is in Utah, right? The upstanding residents of East St Louis consist mainly of elderly people living in section 8 housing and who have lived there their entire life. They are easy pickings for the thugs who roam the street at night looking for a door to kick in. I am not a criminal but my choosing for a home invasion or a murder would have some financial benefit for me. The crimes mainly committed by the ages indicated described people of the age being targeted. I am not going to post links of crimes which specifically happen in East St Louis daily, by children in their early teens and early twenties, since you missed the point to begin with. There are many city blocks of East St Louis streets which have no street lights lit at night because the city cannot pay for the electric rsulting in some streets being as dark as counrty roads. Who do you think is hanging out drinking the 40oz the guy who has to get up and work in the morning? I wouldn't want my grandmother living on that block. All that is in a 3 mile radius of East St Louis that is generating revenue are topless joints open until 4am nightclubs who serve minors or allow them to loiter outside and liquor stores. Crimes that do have the police involved there are no wittnesses to, for fear of their life and property. So yes the constiution is getting pissed on East St Louis because if memory serves me correct the Constitution of the United States of America does mention life liberty the pursuit of happiness.
Michael
So the Constitution is only valid when you don't have crime? It's OK to trample the rights of people in the name of crime fighting? (Who gets to define the crime?)
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Apparently you have never been to the ghetto.
Apparently you don't know me.
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