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bornhunter04
10-02-12, 13:11
I have a quick question about the new magpul stock. I know it attached to an A1/A2 buffer receiver extension. Are these buffer tubes based on diameter? I.e. Mil-Spec/commercial lower diameters. I know the collapsible stocks have to match up but not sure about these types. It's not explicitly stated on the magpul website or the item detail upon purchasing, but I just want to check before i order.
There is no mil-spec vs. commercial-spec issue with rifle receiver extensions. A1/A2 are the same size extension as well.
I'm looking at one of those myself, once they come out with the FDE version.
Are these buffer tubes based on diameter? I.e. Mil-Spec/commercial lower diameters.
Nope, there is only one size. The A2 uses a spacer to give it a little more length, you won't need a spacer for the MOE stock.
Here are a few pics I have laying around.....
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%207/STCK2791-Edit-A-1200-Stick.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%207/STCK2953-A-1200-Stick.jpg
A few more pictures...
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%207/STCK2782-Edit-A-1200-Stick.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%207/STCK2967-A-1200-Stick.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%207/STCK2947-A-1200-Stick.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%207/STCK2909-A-4x3.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%207/STCK2978-A-1200-Stick.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%207/STCK2977-A-1200-Stick.jpg
There is no mil-spec vs. commercial-spec issue with rifle receiver extensions. A1/A2 are the same size extension as well.
This is wrong. Although there ARE no size differences, or at least there shouldn't be size differences on an aftermarket RE.... there are still many of the same material considerations when selecting an RE.
In short, go to brownells and buy a REAL COLT RE if you want the strongest part.
These are in stock for those interested!
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=MOE-RIFLE-STOCK
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Jake Bauer
10-02-12, 21:43
That looks so cool. Almost makes me want to buy a rifle length AR.
I must not have caught it, are these the A1 length or the A2 length? I prefer the A1 length for my tactical rifles and the A2 length for my precision rifle. I know it's only 5/8 of an inch. kwg
That looks so cool. Almost makes me want to buy a rifle length AR.
All of the above are on 16" weapons.... :)
I must not have caught it, are these the A1 length or the A2 length? I prefer the A1 length for my tactical rifles and the A2 length for my precision rifle. I know it's only 5/8 of an inch. kwg
These are A1 in length if I remember correctly. I may grab one to try.
Anyone know if those stupid QD things can be removed, drilled out, melted down and/or destroyed? I need a paracord attachment point and the loop is too far forward of the toe of the stock.
I'm hard pressed to buy anything that has a QD attachment point on it. But if I can drill them out.. maybe.
Am I the only one that thinks these things look **** ugly??
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Am I the only one that thinks these things look **** ugly??
There's a certain beauty in fugly. Fashionably unfashionable as it were.
There's a certain beauty if fugly. Fashionably unfashionable as it were.
Sort of like a female's reasoning behind "its so ugly its cute" then? Lol
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These are A1 in length if I remember correctly. I may grab one to try.
Anyone know if those stupid QD things can be removed, drilled out, melted down and/or destroyed?
Its closer to A2 than it is A1 in length.
It doesn't come with QD, so you are safe.
MidwestRookie
10-03-12, 14:51
Mine came in the mail today..its shorter than I imagined it would be..thought id try it out while I wait for an a5 tube to come back in stock somewhere..
I have the brownells vise block set on the way, so I hope to get it put together this weekend for a range trip Monday.
I'm hard pressed to buy anything that has a QD attachment point on it. But if I can drill them out.. maybe.
That has to be the first time I've heard anyone not like QD attachment points. What's there not to like?
I assume they will be making them in OD green at some point in the future. I just want them to be functional. I don't care if they are fugly if they are functional. kwg
I assume they will be making them in OD green at some point in the future. I just want them to be functional. I don't care if they are fugly if they are functional. kwg
I think they said the other colors will be out within a month.
That has to be the first time I've heard anyone not like QD attachment points. What's there not to like?
It's a mechanical solution with too many moving, breakable, rustable parts.
I've seen a guy pick up his weapon and ask "how did that happen?" while looking at the sling dangling. And another guy here flat dumped his gun on the ground because of that junk. Completely unacceptable.
Sample of 2 out of thousands. It is technically more parts to fail but I haven't heard this happening before. Not saying it doesn't though.
It's a mechanical solution with too many moving, breakable, rustable parts.
I've seen a guy pick up his weapon and ask "how did that happen?" while looking at the sling dangling. And another guy here flat dumped his gun on the ground because of that junk. Completely unacceptable.
They just don't belong on guns in my opinon. Camera gear maybe, but guns? Negative, Ghostrider.
They just don't belong on guns in my opinon. Camera gear maybe, but guns? Negative, Ghostrider.
Not sure how much I like the QD point in the stock, but for that G&R awesome price, I might just pick one up to try.
I have to say I have had more issues with QD, even more so than with the cheapo standard mil issue m 16 sling, which says a lot.
The failure point that bugs me about the QD is not that the socket doesn't hold the, um, the probe of the attachment, but the fact that the button can knock into gear or the environment and voila; rifle on the ground.
Had this happen a couple of times when slinging the rifle on my back, and I think once it just wasn't in the socket all the way and the sling just popped out and dangled like a snot.
Exactly... the system is far from having your "shit wired tight".
That's why I was wondering if one could drill out that stupid crap to run a reliable sling attachment through it.
Not sure how much I like the QD point in the stock, but for that G&R awesome price, I might just pick one up to try.
I have to say I have had more issues with QD, even more so than with the cheapo standard mil issue m 16 sling, which says a lot.
The failure point that bugs me about the QD is not that the socket doesn't hold the, um, the probe of the attachment, but the fact that the button can knock into gear or the environment and voila; rifle on the ground.
Had this happen a couple of times when slinging the rifle on my back, and I think once it just wasn't in the socket all the way and the sling just popped out and dangled like a snot.
Excellent info. Thanks! I'm far from a HSLD type person, but I've never viewed the QD sling attachment as perfect. Just by design, it does seem that it "could" fail. While it is convenient, it doesn't seem as secure as a standard type sling mount.
I just had a QD piece fail on me this week. Thankfully I didn't drop my gun. The male end (sling side) is broken somehow. I tested it on numerous sockets. When I inserted it, it initially felt secure. A slight turn and it would pop out.
I won't give up on QD sling options, I will just be sure to yank on them to confirm reliability.
One of the reasons I like this stock is that it is simple and could withstand some abuse.
I'm from the Iraqi vacation experience pool, where in a full year in country your rifle was a part of your uniform for about 350 days. This means, to you guys who have not had the pleasure of a military deployment, that the rifle was on you or near you 24/7, being tapped, kicked, leaned on, held, shoved, slung every which way around gear on your person, shot, covered in dust and sand, bounced around inside the HMMM and 5Ton, etc. - this is where you truly find out if that purdy piece of $150 accessory with bells and whistles can stand up to a deployment. (I fully advocate military deployments as the status quo for equipment proving grounds for any new junk that manufacturers seemed to vomit out for the AR platform!)
I'm not too keen on imagining a QD not fail in this kind of stress environment.
It's given that the high-speeds nowadays probably have some QD stuff overseas, but, as markm said, 550 cord fix was an excellent choice there and most of our guys did one form or another of this type of 'enhancement' of issue gear. And it was free!!
It's given that the high-speeds nowadays probably have some QD stuff overseas, but, as markm said, 550 cord fix was an excellent choice there and most of our guys did one form or another of this type of 'enhancement' of issue gear. And it was free!!
There's 550 cord on every AR I own. When I see these rail manuf's and others making room on their stuff for QD sockets, I want to barf.
KarbonChemist
10-04-12, 13:35
Looks good to me. I might have to flip my new build around.
I'm a little concerned with the LOP. If it's close to an A2, there's no point to the stock. :confused:
I'm a little concerned with the LOP. If it's close to an A2, there's no point to the stock. :confused:
It is very close. Look at it this way, the MOE lineup is an OEM based product and the manufacturers are the primary market.
I'm going to have to tear Fitz a new ass on this one, boys. :D
MidwestRookie
10-04-12, 22:43
As noted, no QD that I can see..there's a little hole up towards the receiver where you might be able to install some sort of QD socket?
Still just giving this fixed stock thing a try until an A5 buffer tube comes back in stock somewhere, but I figured I might as well try this "fancy" new Magpul version instead of a plain jane A1/A2 stock. Gonna take it out for a range trip Monday. So far I like it, but I'm no "gear reviewer" and not very qualified to say whether it's worth a shit one way or another..tho I can say the cheekweld is miles away from the feel of the Vltor Emod that it replaced. Much thinner and not near as comfortable. For some reason I like the solid feel of the fixed stock compared to the collapsible, but that's all in my head I'm sure, I had zero problems with the collapsible.
Here's a pointless, terrible quality picture (compared to Stick's) of it freshly installed on my lower..just got the upper back today from Mr. Robb Jensen with the new URX 3.1 installed and freshly blacked out SS410 barrel. :cool:
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab114/futuristichandgun/moe1.jpg
2nd.amendment
10-04-12, 23:50
I'm a little concerned with the LOP. If it's close to an A2, there's no point to the stock. :confused:
Sadly, I thought it was closer to the A1 length as well. When mine arrived, I was disappointed to see it is just a hair shorter than an A2. I was thinking I was going to replace my carbine stocks/tubes, but it's just too long for my taste.
I almost bought one on DSGarms 15% magpul discount, but dumped my cart at the last second.
I'm going to have to start a company to get a decent fixed stock.
How does "Markpul" sound, boys? :p
Am I the only one that thinks these things look **** ugly??
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They are quite ugly.... But so are the majority AR stocks (IMO).. Ron
I'm done rough designing my stock. I have no idea how to prototype something like this.
I might have to drive down to Vltor, kick the front door in, and demand some help.
BCM lowers with this stock are now available!
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/BCM_LWR_MAGPUL_RIFLE_BS.jpg
Order here: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-A2
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Magic_Salad0892
10-05-12, 12:12
I'm done rough designing my stock. I have no idea how to prototype something like this.
I might have to drive down to Vltor, kick the front door in, and demand some help.
You can always AR-15.com method it, and just carve that shit out of wood. Lol.
You can always AR-15.com method it, and just carve that shit out of wood. Lol.
I've been wanting to do this for a while... but kept thinking... SOMEONE will come out with a good fixed stock. But nothing....
My only problem was how to attach the stock without the butt plate screw. I solved it with only two proprietary parts. No changes to the RE.
Magic_Salad0892
10-05-12, 12:39
I've been wanting to do this for a while... but kept thinking... SOMEONE will come out with a good fixed stock. But nothing....
My only problem was how to attach the stock without the butt plate screw. I solved it with only two proprietary parts. No changes to the RE.
I was joking at first... but **** it, dude. Just make it out of wood. I wanna see how it turns out. It'll be kinda cool, I guess.
Also, what's wrong with the ACE AR-15 fixed stock? Or even the standard A2 or A1 stocks?
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%207/STCK3326-1200-Stick.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%207/STCK3328-A-1200-Stick.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%207/STCK3329-1200-Stick.jpg
Also, what's wrong with the ACE AR-15 fixed stock? Or even the standard A2 or A1 stocks?
I run A1 stocks... they're just not as strong as the A2. And you don't enjoy any of the new features you see on the recent slider variants.
I'm going to sacrifice a Cav Arms A1 stock to mock up the idea this week.
Maybe I'm high on my own ass fumes... but I think there's a niche for an A1 length, fixed, "tactical" stock. Especially for guys in ass backwards states that don't allow sliders.
Have every confidence in your creative talents markm, but please do not make one of these:
http://www.airsoftgi.com/em/blog/stock_0304_0012.jpg
A2 stock LOP is too long for some of us.
Have every confidence in your creative talents markm, but please do not make one of these:
http://www.airsoftgi.com/em/blog/stock_0304_0012.jpg
That's my idea! :eek: :dance3:
A2 stock LOP is too long for some of us.
It's too much for most shooters.
BrigandTwoFour
10-08-12, 13:27
I've been eyeballing these since SHOT. I'm very close to starting a .308 AR build and have been trying to decide between one of these or a UBR for an 18" barrel. I think going this route would save quite a bit of weight, which would be a nice change against my other semi .308 (JAE stocked M14)
Yeah. This stock would be ideal for a scoped AR15/AR10. You want more LOP for eye relief in that setting....
I'm done rough designing my stock. I have no idea how to prototype something like this.
I might have to drive down to Vltor, kick the front door in, and demand some help.
Not to hijack the thread, but Techshop is a dream come true for prototyping. They're membership based fabrication centers. The one near me in Detroit has an industrial 3D printer, 3D Scanner, laser cutters, CNC machines, welding equipment, woodworking equipment ect. They also offer classes for C.A.D. etc to assist in design. They have locations in MI, TX, NC and three in CA. The VA is offering 2,000 free one year memberships to Veterans, and to my understanding there are still plenty left available; just call Techshop and ask about the veterans program.
http://www.techshop.ws/
Cool. Thanks. I'll check that out tomorrow... although I'm not a Vet... if this thing shows any promise, I'll need to take it to the next phase.
I got mine; on a bcm 20"
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm127/conhntr3030/A82FF61B-043C-41A2-8242-9D93AC7CCE38-7284-0000067DC887E93F.jpg
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm127/conhntr3030/35F41EE1-E140-41BC-81E5-ED8E9C06CAFE-7284-0000067DBF224D33.jpg
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm127/conhntr3030/DA8B0FA8-D46F-4FC6-A9A3-40137304107C-7284-0000067DC40E288E.jpg
Grrr
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm127/conhntr3030/8F5CCD79-4EB7-4B80-ADF1-FDF6AB59C403-7284-0000067DCED542BB.jpg
What is this 550 paracord solution that some of you are talking about?
I'm not military over have even been deployed, so yeah, no clue. It sounds interesting thought.
I'm not military over have even been deployed, so yeah, no clue.
What?
Does the stock come with a replacement screw? I don't have the old screw from my A2 stock set and I was hoping magpul packs one in with the new stock.
Yes and it is a different size from standard a2
Yes and it is a different size from standard a2
Awesome!
Anybody have any news on FDE stocks shipping?
Stick?
Looks like the 4 magpul colors are now shipping! Can't wait to grab an FDE!
I'm holding out to see if it will be coming out in the new Stealth Gray color. I've got an older A2 I'd like to change up a little bit.
I got one in the mail this week for a 3 gun build, and I like it... A lot. The cheek weld is very similar to my STR, and it is the perfect length for me. If I didn't let my kids and friends shoot/ learn on my rifles, I'd be leaning toward putting the rifle MOE on all of my AR's more than likely.
Just got an FDE one. Love it! Can't wait to take it to the range.
They just don't belong on guns in my opinon. Camera gear maybe, but guns? Negative, Ghostrider.
Dammit, i thought QD shit was gtg.. I just put together my last rifle utilizing qd sockets.. Oh well, I'm just a civi out looking for coyotes..
I really like the looks of these Magpul rifle stocks, makes me want to put a 20"er together..
Moonlight Again
11-20-12, 10:53
I've been wanting to do this for a while... but kept thinking... SOMEONE will come out with a good fixed stock. But nothing....
My only problem was how to attach the stock without the butt plate screw. I solved it with only two proprietary parts. No changes to the RE.
Get cracking, Mark. I'm running the CavArms A1 with Fulton's furniture kit, and love that rifle buffer, tube and spring. Smoooooth like twenty year old Scotch.
Get cracking, Mark. I'm running the CavArms A1 with Fulton's furniture kit, and love that rifle buffer, tube and spring. Smoooooth like twenty year old Scotch.
I hear you. I really don't think it's viable though. I don't see the volume there to make the project worthwhile.
I have a design for a fixed stock that works of the A5 RE... so you ditch the buttstock screw and net an A1 or even shorter fixed, and still keep the rifle spring.
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