Syrian Rebels (Openly Supported by the West) Have Bigger Plans

[Mjolnir]

Please keep in mind that WE (the US, UK and Israel) supported these bastards in the 70's to fight against the Afghanistan central gov't which called on the USSR for direct assistance in the Soviet-Afghani War.

We then openly supported them in:

Chechnya
Dagestan
Azerbaijan
Kosovo via the KLA
Macedonia
Georgia
Iraq
Libya
Syria

I may be omitting others.

http://rt.com/news/syrian-rebels-fight-jews-529/

Add Henry Kissinger's commentary about there being no Israel in a decade and you see the plan: create the tender to ignite an 'unstoppable' conflict in the Middle East that will undoubtedly draw in Russia (Dagestan, Chechnya, Azerbaijan (Nogorny-Karabakh), Georgia) and China (their western provinces of Uigars who are Islamists).

Will the American public wake up from their slumber? How many "fighters" are already here (from ALL over the world)?

Also, check out the following:

Texe Marrs - 82 page Intel Report (Supposedly) No False Flag

http://www.texemarrs.com/102012/report_not_false_flag.htm

One can find many articles online but I've not been able to locate the document...

[kmrtnsn]

Texe Marrs, the "Prophet" as a credible source? If he said it was Thursday I'd question it.

[Mjolnir]

Then question it. I'd rather judge information than the person delivering it.

[Safetyhit]

Once again, more pollution in the guise of relavent and even critical information. Your slop goes beyond a simple difference of rational opinion and delves into the borderline insane. Start a blog over at global research, we try to stick to discernible fact here.

[Mjolnir]

Once again, more pollution in the guise of relavent and even critical information. Your slop goes beyond a simple difference of rational opinion and delves into the borderline insane. Start a blog over at global research, we try to stick to discernible fact here.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/05/ysesytad.jpg

As usual "I don't like what you say so I'll hurl ad hominems until it stops."

Awesome.

Doesn't change a damned thing though. There are plans far larger than you or I and when people like HK speak it would be wise to listen - not because he's a "swell guy" but because he is a key player in all of this geopolitical shenanigans.

[VooDoo6Actual]

Turkey authorises future Syria raids

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/10/2012103181110169706.html

You would never know if a FSA/AQAM operative launched the mortar's vs. the Syrians....

[Mjolnir]

Turkey authorises future Syria raids

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/10/2012103181110169706.html

You would never know if a FSA/AQAM operative launched the mortar's vs. the Syrians....

Damn, don't think for yourself; stay ignorant and be happy will ya..

[Doc Safari]

Since we've already "gone there" and turned this into a back-and-forth arguefest, I'll just stir in a cup of religious interpretation and say: study the Ezekiel 38 war.

I believe Syrian troops, and the Iranians that are apparently there, may try to start an invasion of Israel.

Ezekiel 38 tells you what happens.

Just my dos centavos.

[a0cake]

Damn, don't think for yourself; stay ignorant and be happy will ya..

The problem is that the Assad government admitted fault in the shelling. Given the fighting between the regime forces and the FSA taking place near the border, it's not surprising at all that an incident like this took place. Why would the Assad government admit to it if it was the FSA? Unless the circumstances heavily implicated the regime's culpability, and obviously so, it would be far more rational for them to try to shift the blame onto the FSA and drive a wedge between it and the Turkish government. It's most logical to assume that the Assad regime's guilt was so undeniable that they had to admit it. If there was ambiguity over who dropped the rounds, they would have tried to shift blame to the FSA.

I'm not saying you're definitely wrong or that I know for sure. I just think that our beliefs and convictions about these things need to scale and track with evidence.

It seems like you and Voodoo consistently espouse beliefs that fail to survive Occam's Razor just because they fit your preferred narrative, which is invariably whatever the official story is not. You might be right once in a while, but I think opinions need to track with evidence. It's an interesting thought nonetheless, and I remain open to evidence.

[Mjolnir]

Turkey has been providing comfort and arms to the foreign "rebels" so Assad has been very patient if you ask me.

As far as evidence is concerned MOST PEOPLE will not venture beyond our own govt sources. It's as if the ONLY POSSIBLE STORY is the one provided and its ALWAYS "the other guy".

But most here will argue vociferously about Fast and Furious, the PATRIOT Act, Gun Control and all manner of issues and reasons NOT to trust the same bastards. Makes no damned sense to me: either they are trustworthy or they are not.

Then we have pinheadish folk who are so offended when ideas differ from theirs so they attack. They are damned laughable because they expose themselves, their own insecurities and their own ignorance when attacking others for perceiving events differently than their own. They should learn to open their minds before opening their mouths (or typing). Sure beats slapstick humor on a slow night, though.

[VooDoo6Actual]

Then we have pinheadish folk who are so offended when ideas differ from theirs so they attack. They are damned laughable because they expose themselves, their own insecurities and their own ignorance when attacking others for perceiving events differently than their own. They should learn to open their minds before opening their mouths (or typing). Sure beats slapstick humor on a slow night, though.

Indeed. That's what the ignore list is for. Not worth getting caught up in minutae when it's just IDEAS being discussed or put forth. You'll notice this is a General Discussion section NOT General Debate, General Ad Hominem etc. section. Intellectual ambushes, ad hominem attacks by drawing, veiled / unveiled ad hominems, viptuperative, crass et al comments serve no purpose for expanding thought. It's not an argument or debate unless someone accepts or engages & makes it so.

Ideas are what promote thought, creativity etc. autonomous or otherwise....

Here's an illustration:

Ahmadinejad cameraman hands nuclear tapes to CIA, Israel's Debka reports

http://rt.com/usa/news/nuclear-cameraman-ahmadinejad-iran-747/

Doesn't make it true because Debka file reported it or RT News picked it up. Debka file has a reputation for being a Massod/CIA disinformation asset. Most people don't know that, which makes it a perfect vehicle for propaganda/disinformation asset. Doesn't make it not true either. But you'll notice the attention the headlines generates & galvanizes the agenda. With an obvious 4GW/5GW campaign in "full bloom" apparrantly people are not able to decipher the possibilities or sift through the agenda w/ their grown up / mature / adult filters on.


Another example: it's admitted & been going on for some time, yet some people don't BE LIE VE it....

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/02/29/cia-admits-using-msm-to-manipulate-the-usa-video/

[Mjolnir]

Indeed. That's what the ignore list is for. Not worth getting caught up in minutae when it's just IDEAS being discussed or put forth. You'll notice this is a General Discussion section NOT General Debate, General Ad Hominem etc. section. Intellectual ambushes, ad hominem attacks by drawing, veiled / unveiled ad hominems, viptuperative, crass et al comments serve no purpose for expanding thought. It's not a argument or debate unless someone accepts or engages & makes it so.

Ideas are what promote thought, creativity etc. autonomous or otherwise....

Great point. Great advice.

Now heeded.

[Mjolnir]

More stories related to Syria:

http://www.syrianews.cc/syria-the-grenades-on-turkey-are-nato-ammunition/

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/why-syria-the-obama-hilary-lucifer-clinton-pipeline-wars/22966/

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/western-propagandists-attempt-to.html

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/10/ron-paul-what-i-fear-the-most-is-a-false-flag-something-happening-where-one-of-our-ships-goes-down-or-there-a-plane-goes-down-and-of-course-it-had-to-be-the-iranians-you-know-for-sure-for-ce.html

[VooDoo6Actual]

the Brooking's Institute pdf report was interesting & predictable.

Thx

[Mjolnir]

More "pre-WW III" events not covered:

For all the positive press Turkey has received for shelling Syria for the mortar incident on Turkish soil presumably by Syrians or "so they claim":

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-10-07/new-york-times-concedes-it-unknown-whether-syrian-artillery-came-rebels-or-go

Yet, we have Turkey shelling Syria for FIVE DAYS STRAIGHT while clamoring for NATO intervention and stating it does not want war while preparing for it. And before anyone states "they are our allies" they may wish to study a little history of Turkey - both ancient and modern.

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/10/08/turkey-bombardment-syria-continues-day-194861/


http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9107111434

This one is odd...

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/05-10-2012/122363-russia_iraq-0/

Uh hmm...

http://rense.com/general95/newmedol.html

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/07/global-oil-refining-industry-shifts-to-middle-east/

[Mjolnir]

More updates:

Turkey's High Risk Game
http://rense.com/general95/high-risk-game.html


This one is odd... Jordan???
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/10/11/jordan-us-troops-helping-prepare-for-syrian-attack/

Forgive me, but has the Jordanian government gone collectively barking mad?!?

This may be the alleged "good reason", but it is very far away from the "real reason" these troops are being deployed in Jordan.

IT appears that they have been "parked" there in anticipation of an invasion of Syria.

More devious plans...
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/oct2012/carr-o11.shtml

Also...

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/8614

[Mjolnir]

Very troubling information here:

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/8594

It seems a matter of WHEN not IF...

[Doc Safari]

It may not happen overnight, but this is the beginning of Turkey's departure from NATO.

I believe ultimately the NATO alliance will not back up Turkey to the satisfaction of people in the Turkish government.

Whatever happens with Syria, the Islamic factions that want a return of the Ottoman Empire will force Turkey to ally itself with the rest of the Muslim Neighborhood and it will leave NATO to join forces with other Islamic regional powers--IF--it can see the opportunity to be in charge.

I can't back it up with links, but this is what I believe will happen.

[VooDoo6Actual]

It will be VERY interesting to see what comes from all this.

Turkey is a KEY & STRATEGIC NATO ally for a plethora of reasons.


The Black Sea has long been a focal point for regionalization. Both the EU and NATO have had a proactive policy in the region, and various cooperative arrangements have been made to enhance multilateral maritime governance in the Black Sea. Numerous regional mechanisms for interaction and cooperation among the littoral states have been set up, such as the Organization of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation (BSEC), the Black Sea Forum for Dialogue and Partnership (BSF) and the Black Sea Initiative of the EU (BSI). In January 2011, the European Parliament adopted a resolution on the Black Sea, reflecting the fact that since 2005 the region itself has entered a new modus operandi. The European Parliament recognized that the Black Sea is of geo-strategic importance for the energy security of the EU, and stated: given the strategic importance of the Black Sea region for the EU and the rather limited results of the BSI, a strategy should be launched to enhance the coherence and visibility of EU action in the region. Such an EU Black Sea Strategy should be an integral part of the EU’s broader foreign and security policy vision’ (European Parliament 2011). That report, however, is based on the assumption that the current level of political cooperation does not reflect the high number of multilateral cooperative forums in the region. Moreover, the effect of such regional initiatives has been called into question, not least due to the rising significance of pipeline politics.
Euro-Atlantic integration has been put on hold. The prospects for transformative Europeanization commonly associated with enlargement processes have been replaced by selective EU engagement under the heading of ‘compensatory regionalism’ engagement focused on compensating EU neighbours for the disadvantages of being outside the EU, rather than informed by the prospect of letting them in (Emerson 2008). NATO-member Turkey seems further away from EU membership; and, although Ukraine still seeks EU association and membership, it shelved its NATO aspirations in 2010.

In the southeastern corner of the Black Sea, the Caucasus is still struggling to overcome the effects of the 2008 Russia–Georgian war, and the existence of the ‘de facto’ states continues to complicate regional integration. The prospect of the Black Sea as an energy hub also raises questions concerning the increasingly vector-dominated foreign policy of Ukraine and Turkey. Ukraine balances off the EU and Russia in the energy sector, while Turkey is seeking to develop a distinct foreign policy. Keep in mind that strategically, Turkey holds the true ingress/egress for Russia's access to the Mediterranean Sea. Which currently is relegated to it's Naval access limited to it's Naval base in Tartus, Syria etc. If one can understand that, then the geo-strategic importance of Syria to Russia comes into better focus.

So one has to consider the Geopolitical machineations game on which is also about control & containment of Russia et al & resources. That is sub rosa to most individuals understanding & comprehensions which is why so many people are confused & could care less etc. That being said, there's a lot more at stake than most people realize.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Excellent reads gents, most informative.

Thanks for sharing. :cool:

[Mjolnir]

More troubling news:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-12/turkish-official-says-1-000-syrian-soldiers-have-deserted

"Something wicked this way comes; and from my perspective, that "something" is a world war, launched in order to prop up the petrodollar.

Historically, the US government has always used war to get out of its financial predicaments; with a 16 trillion (and growing) Federal deficit, which can never be paid back, this time, in terms of the Neanderthal thinking of our leadership, is no different.

However, there is a very great probability that we will not win this one; and I say that, not because I do not care about this country, but because of the cold, hard facts staring me in the face: the US government doesn't have the money, manufacturing, or troop strength right now in order to ensure a positive outcome to this next war."

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Engdahl%3A_Syria%2C_Turkey%2C_Israel_and_a_Greater_Middle_East_Energy_War/21971/0/38/38/Y/M.html

"Folks, the war against Syria is a reality, as the prelude a war against Iran. It is not a question of if, but when now.

And when Iran is attacked, it is very likely draw in nuclear-armed Russia and China, working on the side of Iran.

Millions are likely to die, just to keep the US's petrodollar from falling.

And THAT is a really lousy way for this planet to lose some if its best and brightest people; of course, the money-junkies and the banks don't care. No matter who wins, the banks loan money, at interest, to both sides, and will get their loans back at interest. Large defense corporations make a killing (literally).

And the rest of us?!? Completely expendable to the nation-states in which we live."

US Concerned with Iran-Iraq-Syria Alliance:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/11/266154/us-upset-about-iraniraqsyria-alliance/

[Mjolnir]

UN planning involvement which undoubtedly the US and UK will veto as it does not fit with the "Clean Break" white paper. Google it if you're not familiar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9606805/UN-peace-envoy-draws-up-plan-for-3000-strong-peacekeeping-force-in-Syria.html

[Mjolnir]

Outstanding article titled "Syria, Turkey, Israel and a Greater Middle East Energy War" by F. William Engdahl:

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/print/Syria%20Turkey%20Israel%20and%20a%20New%20Greater%20Middle%20East%20War.pdf

[Mjolnir]

Russia's Chess Play:

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/print/Putin%20Chess.pdf

To counter the potential Russia threat:

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/print/Dagestan%20Syria%20comes%20to%20Russia.pdf

And here:

http://m.youtube.com/?reason=8&rdm=1890#/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=4BShJ017Em8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4BShJ017Em8%26feature%3Dyoutu.be


Could it be that these two are related? I know that ALL THINGS are interrelated but could the asinine geopolitical events that have us as aggressors have anything to do with the latest legislation that sends chills down the spines of "the living"?

More here:

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/largest-nuclear-drills-in-russian-history-completed-what-are-they-preparing-for-is-this-related-to-femas-hr6566/24136/

[Mjolnir]

More news. The Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon natural gas pipeline surely appears to be in the midst of a massive military counter:

http://uruknet.com/?p=m91961&hd=&size=1&l=e

[Mjolnir]

From the mouth of a priest in Aleppo:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/living-as-a-christian-in-the-hell-of-aleppo-besieged-by-opposition-rebels-the-testimony-of-a-priest/5308882

[Mjolnir]

Good synopsis that few seem to recognize, much less acknowledge:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-the-muslim-ploy-to-cover-up-years-of-us-al-qaeda-support/5309333

[ryr8828]

Good synopsis that few seem to recognize, much less acknowledge:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-the-muslim-ploy-to-cover-up-years-of-us-al-qaeda-support/5309333


Gaffney cites his collaborators in this effort to manipulate the public – notably Fox News, WorldNetDaily (WND), and RadicalIslam.org, run by the Clarion Fund and part of the Islamophobia propaganda front responsible for the film that in fact triggered the embassy violence in which US Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens died. Clarion also has produced a number of other war propaganda films, including the ridiculous “Iranium.”

Really?

[Mjolnir]

More info for those who give a damn:

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-syria-heavy-weapons-jihadists-2012-10