View Full Version : 1928 Thompson....is this real or fake???
So my buddy just got this in. The guy who gave it to him beat a wooden dowel into the barrel and "Pinned" the bolt.
There is ZERO S/N or any other kind of numbers and it is claimed to be F/A.
Is this thing real or what? Look at the charge handle on the top, there is no way to even move it.
It has Auto Ordanance all over it, is it just a different reciever? It looks sketchy.
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I have never seen a rear sight like that on one. The selectors also are different than what I have seen.
The LACK of any kind of numbers is what strikes me as odd though
Quiet-Matt
10-04-12, 12:30
Perhaps it was rebuilt as a training gun or a novelty? We had some rubber duck M16s back in the day that were made from old M16s.
That upper doesnt look right at all.
Real ones go for a lot of money replicas go for a lot of money win win
Perhaps it was rebuilt as a training gun or a novelty? We had some rubber duck M16s back in the day that were made from old M16s.
That upper doesnt look right at all.
Exactly what I was thinking. Ive shot a few of these before, None had a rear sight like that. Its nothing more than a piece of metal bent with a hole drilled.
The guy that has it now.....thinks its F/A.
Did you see how the bolt isnt able to move? There is NO way to charge this rifle.
Looks like a dummy receiver. It is clearly aluminum instead of steel.
Looks like a dummy receiver. It is clearly aluminum instead of steel.
+1.....Not only does it look aluminum, it looks like one big piece.
Looks like a dummy receiver. It is clearly aluminum instead of steel.
Dummy receiver kit build.
This. Selectors look legit. The reciever is bogus.
NavyEngineer
10-07-12, 05:12
As others have said, this is a dummy receiver build. However, the lower frame was built by Savage Arms during World War Two (which you can tell because the words "Full Auto" are on two lines - the other manufacturer, Auto-Ordnance, place the words "Full Auto" on one line. Much better dummy receivers are available, or the lower frame has spare parts useful to a WWII Thompson owner.
Its a dummy...my uncle dozens of these a yr for props and souvenirs.
Trust me the rec is made by phil ord and its a dummy.
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It is not even close to a real 1928 Navy model overstrike. Sights are completely different, forend is more like the M1 Thompson (not vertical pistol grip), rollmarks are completely different, and lots more.
I have access to a couple of the real ones purchased in 1935. Way fun to shoot. We only have stick mags. If that drum is portable, its probably worth more than the dummy.
Can you provide some more background on this? What do you mean your buddy just got this in? Is he a gunsmith or FFL? If he is a gunsmith or whatever and there was a claim me to being for auto did you not ask for paperwork before you accepted it? Guess I'm a little lost in trying to figure out what's going on here? :confused:
Can you provide some more background on this? What do you mean your buddy just got this in? Is he a gunsmith or FFL? If he is a gunsmith or whatever and there was a claim me to being for auto did you not ask for paperwork before you accepted it? Guess I'm a little lost in trying to figure out what's going on here? :confused:
Yessir.....It was kind of a vague first post, I was at work when he came in and wanted to show me, asked if I knew about them, due to being at work, I couldnt really keep up with questions so here goes...
Its the owner of a gun shop next door, (he has a FFL) and says he just got a F/A Thompson, a customer brought it in and had to beat a "dowel" in the barrel just to get it into Colorado....(I guess thats what you have to do to cross state lines with NFA stuff) and wanted to sell it......so he just dropped it off. This is the first ridiculous part.
So I go check it out, It looks great....minus the reciever, the first thing I say is "Its F/A? Did he give you the paperwork? And why is there no S/N??? Or engraving??
No paperwork. Rifles didnt have S/N's before 1959. You dont have to get it engraved.
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I was speechless.
So I Google-Fu'ed some Tompsons and It looked identical....minus the reciever. The fact that the bolt was locked to the rear....and the charge handle was mid-way in the reciever, not to mention it was machined out so the chandle wouldnt move at all.
Asked a few more questions, the customer wanted $800.00 for it.
lol
NavyEngineer
10-07-12, 17:48
Its the owner of a gun shop next door, (he has a FFL) and says he just got a F/A Thompson, a customer brought it in and had to beat a "dowel" in the barrel just to get it into Colorado....(I guess thats what you have to do to cross state lines with NFA stuff) and wanted to sell it......so he just dropped it off. This is the first ridiculous part.
Actually, you need to get advance permission from ATF to transport machineguns across state lines, and they also have to approve each transfer between owners or even dealers as well. Of course, none of this applies here, since it's not considered a firearm at all with the dummy receiver.
Ya thats part of the red flags that came up. The whole thing was just retarded.
Can an FFL be in possesion of NFA stuff? I mean does a normal FFL cover machine guns and SBRs?
Ya thats part of the red flags that came up. The whole thing was just retarded.
Can an FFL be in possesion of NFA stuff? I mean does a normal FFL cover machine guns and SBRs?
Yes and no. An FFL must pay the Special Occupation Tax (SOT) in order to deal in title-2 firearms. A non-SOT FFL may transfer title-2 firearms (including from out of state), but they must do so via a form-4 and pay the $200 tax stamp.
A title-2 firearm (with exception of suppressors) must have a 5320.20 submitted to ATF and approved prior to transport across state lines. This applies to non-SOTs, whereas SOTs are not required to submit 5320.20 to move a title-2 item across state lines.
This FFL friend of yours is dangerously mistaken in his understanding of the National Firearms Act. Thank goodness he is not an SOT. And thankfully the item in question is not a firearm.
As others have stated, this is a dummy gun built on a solid dummy aluminum receiver. Everything other than the receiver look like they came from a functional kit. If all other parts are functional, it does have value for the parts. I think IMA used to sell dummy Thompsons like this in SGN for around $800. FWIW, there are nicer dummy receivers on the market....if you're into that sort of thing.
The best thing you can do is advise your friend to really get some help on understanding NFA laws before he ends up in prison and loses his business.
Ya thats part of the red flags that came up. The whole thing was just retarded.
Can an FFL be in possesion of NFA stuff? I mean does a normal FFL cover machine guns and SBRs?
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