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I went from the 4 to a 4S as the 5 seemed more like a 4S with a larger screen, at least in terms of my needs/uses. The 4S seems superior to the 4 in most ways, but was a PITA when syncing from Itunes compared to the 4 I will say.
I got the 4S for $100 with contract. The 5 is out of stock around here to the max, costs $200 with a contract, and personally, I don't need latest
greatest new tech, and don't want to be an early adopter of tech and prefer to let a system work the kinks out/mature, and drop in $$$ before I buy.
I also didn't want to have to buy new extras (case, etc) and they changed the docking set up, so either more stuff to buy, or all my stuff that docked with 4 (like a travel boom box I use) no workie workie.
4S is faster then my 4, has more memory, etc, works with all existing sh%$, etc, so all good for me for now. Have yet to play with the voice option to see if it's worth using or a gimmick.
Apps, I'm pretty boring:
WhatsApp (used a lot to text friends in other countries, etc)
Skype
MagicJack
Interval Timer
Jibbigo (language translator that does not need to be connected to wi fi to work)
Facebook
Youtube
Ibook reader
I know, I'm a boring guy What's your "must have" apps?
but was a PITA when syncing from Itunes compared to the 4 I will say.
I am interested in what you mean by this. The 4 and 4S sync the same way to iTunes (as does any iOS device).
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I am interested in what you mean by this. The 4 and 4S sync the same way to iTunes (as does any iOS device).
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That was not my experience. Bunch of things didn't transfer as they were supposed to and spent bunch of time on the phone with tech help figuring out why. Couldn't get it to take my WiFi password, and other PITA stuff that should have taken 10 minutes max backing up from ITunes.
I had read on a number of places complaints regarding the 4S and WiFi issues that seems to be a quirk of that version from what I read.
Seemed to have gotten it all squared away, but a fast easy process (like it was for the 4) it was not, at least for me.
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Around Me
Searchit
Mapquest
Super pages
Quick Office
Adobe Reader
Drop Box
Ebay
PayPal
Google Earth
Angry Birds
Skee Ball
Words Free
Tango
Google Translate
LED Flashlight
Perfect Photo
HD Alarm Clock
HD Weather
Red Laser
Crackle
Fandango
NPR
Pandora
Tunewiki
TMZ
Hulu Plus
FOX
Huffington Post
AP
BBC
WSJ
CNN
Al Jazera
RT News
Most of those are free
HTH...as always YMMV
That was not my experience. Bunch of things didn't transfer as they were supposed to and spent bunch of time on the phone with tech help figuring out why. Couldn't get it to take my WiFi password, and other PITA stuff that should have taken 10 minutes max backing up from ITunes.
I had read on a number of places complaints regarding the 4S and WiFi issues that seems to be a quirk of that version from what I read.
Seemed to have gotten it all squared away, but a fast easy process (like it was for the 4) it was not, at least for me.
Oh, ok. I thought you meant general synching. You meant the restore of the old phone to the new one. I cannot comment on that. I've had my 4S since last December and I don't remember what happened when I updated from my 4. I don't remember any big problems but I could have had some issues. Been too long.
IIRC some passwords won't restore from old phone to new due to differences in hardware keys that protect them.
Anyway,
apps I use regularly -- or at least as needed, which may not be often. Some of these are specific apps for controlling home automation, or logging into servers, etc
WeatherBug
Fly Delta
DCU (my credit union app though most banking is at a different CU now)
Discover
Amex
Metronome
Indigo Touch
Kindle
MetrO
Speedtest
TouchTerm
iSSH
Screens
Dictionary (Merriam Webster)
plus a bunch of games
favorites being
geoDefense
GD Swarm
DoodleJump
Geared
Civ Rev
and a bunch of others that I occasionally play
I'm kind of boring too.
Jumping from a 4S to a 5 doesn't seem like a worth while way to spend some cash. I'll probably go to the 5 when I can get my hands on one simply cause I'm a dork. Wife will probably go to a 4S although the dork has been wearing off on her lately so she may surprise me :).
I have a bunch of apps but my go to ones are
Tapatalk
Netflix
The Weather Channel
Drudge Report
Ballistic
Kindle
Waze
Have a bunch of others on there, but I rarely use them. My son also has a stash of games to keep him pacified on road trips and such.
Jumping from a 4S to a 5 doesn't seem like a worth while way to spend some cash. I'll probably go to the 5 when I can get my hands on one simply cause I'm a dork.
I'm a dork too and will be paying full price for a 5 [since I am not up until July having just gotten the 4S last Dec]. I have a business excuse as a developer needing one to test against but it is really the dork part of me ;)
I am interested though in what WOULD be a worthwhile upgrade from the 4S for you. Since the significantly better performance, significantly better camera, and bigger screen are not enough...
Wife will probably go to a 4S although the dork has been wearing off on her lately so she may surprise me :).
My wife does not care -- she uses what I give her. She is on a 4 for like 28 months now so will get a mid grade 5 to give her more space as she is always complaining about it running out of space to take new videos and pics of kids.
I used to give her my old one but now I either sell it to some place like Gazelle and use the money in the upgrade or I keep the older one for testing purposes.
I have a bunch of apps but my go to ones are
Tapatalk
Netflix
The Weather Channel
Drudge Report
Ballistic
Kindle
Waze
Have a bunch of others on there, but I rarely use them. My son also has a stash of games to keep him pacified on road trips and such.
Endomondo
It's the shit for running!
I went from a 4S to 5, I got exactly what I wanted: lighter, thinner, and slightly higher resolution, helpful when viewing emails.
The updated Netflix that makes use of the larger display is nice, but it's a work phone so I don't really care. Pictures and videos look much nicer on the 5.
My battery seems to drain faster than the 4S though, even though I turned off lots of location services and keep a minimum number of apps running.
I'll post here as an Android user but fear not... I'm not your typical fanboi. I really hoped that the new iPhone 5 would be a giant leap forward in technology because whenever a new phone comes out that's a big leap forward... we ALL win as consumers. Even if you are an Android fanboi an advanced iPhone means that Android phones then have to step up their game too. Competition breeds greatness. As it is, I'm disappointed. The new iPhone really isn't want it should or could be. There were a lot of technical features that were left out and IMO they missed the mark with this one. Not only would I not upgrade from a 4s if I had one but I'm bummed that Apple kind of sent out a larger displayed 4s as 'all new' because it means that a few of the Android based phones that are already on the market (HTC One X & Samsung Galaxy S3 for instance) have the edge and the forthcoming phones (LG Optimus S for instance) will offer a significant improvement. I know that most Apple users are pretty loyal but this latest version of the iPhone has caused several of my friends to jump ship to Android based phones and they're all happy after a short adjustment period. I know Apple will continue to set record sales because of the marketing they've done over the years but I think time will tell that this latest iPhone 5 will hurt Apple more then it helps.
Just an independent observation from a neutral but non-Apple user who likes his technology. :D
I'll post here as an Android user but fear not... I'm not your typical fanboi. I really hoped that the new iPhone 5 would be a giant leap forward in technology because whenever a new phone comes out that's a big leap forward...
But it was a giant leap forward in technology. It is probably the most advanced mass market currently available smartphone available.
we ALL win as consumers. Even if you are an Android fanboi an advanced iPhone means that Android phones then have to step up their game too. Competition breeds greatness. As it is, I'm disappointed. The new iPhone really isn't want it should or could be. There were a lot of technical features that were left out and IMO they missed the mark with this one.
Like what? Some specifics please.
Not only would I not upgrade from a 4s if I had one but I'm bummed that Apple kind of sent out a larger displayed 4s as 'all new'
The iPhone 5 is most definitely NOT a larger screen 4S. So you are off base right off the bat.
because it means that a few of the Android based phones that are already on the market (HTC One X & Samsung Galaxy S3 for instance) have the edge
Compared to the iPhone 5, the Galaxy III is a big, clunky, slow POS. Much worse performance, crappier screen, and the need to stick a huge brute force processor in to even get where it is at running the hugely inefficient OS called Android, and needing huge batteries to meet the same use. The Galaxy III has no edge.
and the forthcoming phones (LG Optimus S for instance) will offer a significant improvement.
To maybe get close to the iPhone 5 performance?
I know that most Apple users are pretty loyal but this latest version of the iPhone has caused several of my friends to jump ship to Android based phones and they're all happy after a short adjustment period. I know Apple will continue to set record sales because of the marketing they've done over the years but I think time will tell that this latest iPhone 5 will hurt Apple more then it helps.
Just an independent observation from a neutral but non-Apple user who likes his technology. :D
If you truly liked technology, you would appreciate the technological advances Apple included in the iPhone 5.
The A6 processor is far advanced compared to the processors in most of there smart phones. It is much more power efficient and much faster than other currently shipping processors in other smartphones. This is because Apple advanced the technology in the processor. Creating their own ARM core design, integrating advanced graphics cores, and their own power saving technologies into a leading processor. The A6 at 1.3ghz dual core outperforms the 1.5ghz dual core as found in the GIII by a wide margin and also outperforms, in many benchmarks, the 1.4ghz QUAD core found in the international GIII. And it sips power at a lower rate to boot.
The camera on the iPhone 5 is recognized as being the benchmark and a worthy upgrade in an of itself. That is mostly software technology advances.
The other chips Apple designed or helped with to provide huge increases in power miserliness are all top flight and leading technology.
Another example is the in-cell technology Apple helped develop to make the screen panels thinner and more miserly in power usage.
And the physical packaging of the iPhone 5 is also a technological advance. The form and fit, dimensions and weight, at the performance level reached, is a higher level of technology.
Apple is able to provide the same or much better performance than the Android phones currently shipping in a much lighter and thinner package. Anyone can throw raw horsepower at a problem. Real technological advance is seen when you get the same horsepower in a much lighter weight package.
A large V8 with 500 HP is nice. But anyone can do that. A lighter, 3.0 dual turbo generating 600 HP with much better gas usage is much better and requires true technological advances.
Stop comparing raw specs as that only hides the inefficiency of the OS and is only valid if every competitor is gunning for the same goal of huge numbers. Compare PERFORMANCE SPECS to see where the true technological advances are/were made.
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Stop comparing raw specs as that only hides the inefficiency of the OS and is only valid if every competitor is gunning for the same goal of huge numbers. Compare PERFORMANCE SPECS to see where the true technological advances are/were made.
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Dang, your write up almost makes me wish I had gotten the 5 vs the 4S. The S seems a major step up from the 4 and fits my needs (per OP comments) but the nerd/tech head in me makes me want a 5 now!
Dang, your write up almost makes me wish I had gotten the 5 vs the 4S. The S seems a major step up from the 4 and fits my needs (per OP comments) but the nerd/tech head in me makes me want a 5 now!
No worries Will, your strategy of being a generation behind has a lot going for it. While the raw technological and performance increases are real, the 4S, upgraded to iOS 6, is basically at the same level of performance of the GIII in many regards [on most benchmarks the 4S with iOS6 is within a few percentage points of the GIII US edition], yet you can do it at a significant reduction in cost. A year ago I paid $399 for a 4S with 64GB. I am not sure what size you got in terms of storage, but you paid $99.
It is fun to always have the latest, but it is expensive, and not always a necessity. (In my line of work it kind of is since I am writing apps for the phones and you need to be able to test and make sure you run on the whole gamut of phones that are out there but I otherwise would probably be going every other generation if I was just a user and not a developer).
The problem is that to the Android crowd, including the latest dubious technology equals usable performance, or better usability, which is laughable. There are a lot of NFC equipped Android phones out there. How many places can you actually use one? How does it improve the user experience? At the moment, there are very few places that can accept such payments in the US, and I am not sure the user experience is any better. Maybe worse. I am not sure I want my phone service provider to be in on my other purchasing and have anything else to do with my finances. When the market is ready for improved payment systems, perhaps NFC based, I am sure that Apple will show us how to actually make it a usable and useful technology.
We are all better off with the competition and I welcome Win8 phones to the market as well for that reason. Sometimes Android comes up with some advances, sometimes Apple does, and MS will be coming up with new things that advance the art as well.
Comparing raw specs is not one of those advances. It is really a form of straw man.
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No worries Will, your strategy of being a generation behind has a lot going for it. While the raw technological and performance increases are real, the 4S, upgraded to iOS 6, is basically at the same level of performance of the GIII in many regards [on most benchmarks the 4S with iOS6 is within a few percentage points of the GIII US edition], yet you can do it at a significant reduction in cost. A year ago I paid $399 for a 4S with 64GB. I am not sure what size you got in terms of storage, but you paid $99.
It is fun to always have the latest, but it is expensive, and not always a necessity. (In my line of work it kind of is since I am writing apps for the phones and you need to be able to test and make sure you run on the whole gamut of phones that are out there but I otherwise would probably be going every other generation if I was just a user and not a developer).
The problem is that to the Android crowd, including the latest dubious technology equals usable performance, or better usability, which is laughable. There are a lot of NFC equipped Android phones out there. How many places can you actually use one? How does it improve the user experience? At the moment, there are very few places that can accept such payments in the US, and I am not sure the user experience is any better. Maybe worse. I am not sure I want my phone service provider to be in on my other purchasing and have anything else to do with my finances. When the market is ready for improved payment systems, perhaps NFC based, I am sure that Apple will show us how to actually make it a usable and useful technology.
We are all better off with the competition and I welcome Win8 phones to the market as well for that reason. Sometimes Android comes up with some advances, sometimes Apple does, and MS will be coming up with new things that advance the art as well.
Comparing raw specs is not one of those advances. It is really a form of straw man.
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Thanx. Unless I need it for work, etc, as a rule, I avoid being an early adopter of technology as other then bragging rights, there's little reason to do it in most cases I find.
But it was a giant leap forward in technology. It is probably the most advanced mass market currently available smartphone available.
There's no sense having this conversation with someone who starts a post out like this. Enjoy your iPhone 5 and all the marketing hype that surrounds it. Especially the parts where they make it seem like they've pioneered something that was previously unheard of. Like that display you mentioned that's so much thinner that Apple pioneered? Yeah, there are a few Android phones that have had that for a while now. In fact, my previous Evo 4G had that and my newer Evo LTE has an even better version. It uses two layers instead of three to decrease the thickness and thereby allowing for a thinner form factor overall. Apple did that though with this all new iPhone 5... right? Apple developed that? Mhmm, sure. I could go on but I can tell already that you have drank the Koolaid so it wouldn't matter what I told you.
Only a true Apple fanboi can take turn what I said into some sort of reason to get all defensive and turn on attack mode.
There's no sense having this conversation with someone who starts a post out like this.
Like what, the truth? The actual technology inside the iPhone 5 is more advanced overall than any Android phone out there. Only raw-spec hounds cannot understand that.
The technology to get the best performance on the market in the lightest and thinnest form factor is more advanced than any raw horsepower based technology.
I asked a specific question: what technological advancements SHOULD Apple have included in the iPhone 5 that would have made it worthy in your opinion? Since you ignore the real technological advancements.
Enjoy your iPhone 5 and all the marketing hype that surrounds it.
Marketing hype does nothing for me. Usable performance and well engineered, technologically advanced stuff does, however.
The facts are, it is technologically superior. If you don't think so, please provide counter examples or counter-proof.
Especially the parts where they make it seem like they've pioneered something that was previously unheard of. Like that display you mentioned that's so much thinner that Apple pioneered? Yeah, there are a few Android phones that have had that for a while now.
Really? While it could be true, name one Android phone using single layer in-cell LCD screens (second layer being bonded to the glass)?
AMOLED screens on Android phones do something similar, embedding the capacitive touch layer in the display layer. But, for example, Samsung's own flagship phone the GIII has a far inferior screen in terms of color fidelity and correctness.
We are talking about LCD in-cell technology use with a screen that performs any where near the iPhone 5 screen in color fidelity, gamut, and correctness.
In fact, my previous Evo 4G had that and my newer Evo LTE has an even better version. It uses two layers instead of three to decrease the thickness and thereby allowing for a thinner form factor overall.
Nothing I have found, including on HTC's website, nor in any review, mentions the EVO 4G/LTE using LCD in-cell screen technology.
Apple did that though with this all new iPhone 5... right? Apple developed that? Mhmm, sure.
I did not say Apple developed it (alone). Apple worked with LCD manufacturers to introduce it in smart screen sized panels (in-cell display panels shown a year earlier were 7" diagonal around 1280x600 screens) in a mass market smartphone.
Like HTC developed ANY of its HW technologies... It basically just packages other people's chips together. At least Samsung develops some of its own technologies.
I could go on but I can tell already that you have drank the Koolaid so it wouldn't matter what I told you.
I have not drunk any kool-aid. I understand technology, and see where true technological advancements are made in making things faster, lighter, and use less energy, not in having the biggest V8 on the planet. And as a SW engineer, I also look at the innards, and the iPhone has much more efficient SW compared (mach kernel and compiled C/ObjC) to the bloated Linux and faux-Java innards of the Android phones.
There is no use in having a conversation with a spec hound who thinks that spec-lists show better equipment. Spec-lists mean nothing. Actual usable performance means a lot more than some check-off list of specs.
Only a true Apple fanboi can take turn what I said into some sort of reason to get all defensive and turn on attack mode.
True Apple fanboi? Dude, the fanboi moniker is best applied to someone who posted what you did, trying to make claims that don't make sense but what you adhere to none-the-less. The true fanboi appellation belongs to someone who makes general comments about Android phones technological superiority based on some sort of spec-list and ignores real technological achievement. Someone who thinks that the only reason people use iPhone is because of some magical marketing department and really potent kool-aid when the truth is just the opposite. Most of the people I know who use iPhones do it because of overall general usability, cleanness of design, and overall usefulness. Most Android fanbois are left drooling over their spec lists without realizing that the reason Android phones have such big batteries, such big V8 iron under the hood is that they need it to try and perform up to par with others like the iPhone who are much more efficient.
Android has nice features and there are definitely some people better served by an Android phone. But not because of better specs, because when it comes to the specs that matter -- usable performance -- Android phones are playing catch-up most of the time. I don't care if your phone has a quad core 200000ghz XYZ processor. If does not perform better than a competitor phone using a 1.3ghz dual core processor, that extra ghz is just a waste.
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Put my name on the list of 4S owners who can't connect to home WiFi. Pissed, I'm about to throw this thing. I was much happier with my Android phone. Doubt I'll go with Apple again next upgrade. I went with Apple mainly for the iTunes compatability. The Navigation is the worst...
I have the iPhone 5 and love it. Upgraded from the iPhone 4. The turn by turn navigation is pretty sweet and guided me through downtown St Petersburg when I was lost. Gotta say they hit one out of the park here.
The only issue I have is I can't connect to my school's wifi, it will connect to the guest one though. I think there is something wrong on the school's end though because the log in page won't come up to register the phone in their network.
I think in the real world, the choice between the iPhone and whatever Android phone is one of user preference more than anything else. And Chad, as much as you are talking about Android folks getting caught up in specs and the lack of applicability of that to "real world usability", I think you are getting down in the weeds as well with your benchmark and single whatever LCD talk. There isn't any longer a real world difference in usability in my experience, with the current generation of Android devices on ICS/JB.
As to the assertion that the GS3 is a "clunky, slow POS" with "much worse performance" so on and so forth. It's a bit hyperbolic and over the top, aside from being inaccurate from my perspective (in terms of real world use).
You will note I did not include your characterization of the phone as "big"; the size is one advantage of the GS3 and the current class of Android phones. I know the Cupertino party line is that no one needs a screen bigger than 3.5”, err, I mean 4" but a whole hell of a lot of people appreciate a larger screen. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with a 3.5"/4" screen, different strokes for different folks and all. It's cool and all that the 5 is so thin...it's not like the GS3 is thick by any stretch. I don't have a GS3 but my wife's in the smaller Otterbox fits in my front jeans pocket just fine, and unobtrusively so...and I'm an average size dude.
I have the iPhone 5 and love it. Upgraded from the iPhone 4. The turn by turn navigation is pretty sweet and guided me through downtown St Petersburg when I was lost. Gotta say they hit one out of the park here.
The only issue I have is I can't connect to my school's wifi, it will connect to the guest one though. I think there is something wrong on the school's end though because the log in page won't come up to register the phone in their network.
Did Apple not have turn by turn nav until the 5?
Did Apple not have turn by turn nav until the 5?
There have been plenty of 3rd party turn by turn apps for quite a long while. There were some contract issues, from what I have read, between Apple and Google that prevented it from being in the native Maps app powered by Google.
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Did Apple not have turn by turn nav until the 5?
Nope. You have to download a turn by turn app on previous models. That's the one thing I liked about android phones over my iPhone...
Put my name on the list of 4S owners who can't connect to home WiFi.
A few questions. Has this always been the case or is it since an OS upgrade, say to iOS 6?
Is it only the WiFi at home? Or all WiFi? What sort of WiFi base station or router do you have at your home?
I am interested in seeing if I can help find an answer to why you are having issues.
Pissed, I'm about to throw this thing. I was much happier with my Android phone. Doubt I'll go with Apple again next upgrade. I went with Apple mainly for the iTunes compatability. The Navigation is the worst...
What aspect of the navigation is the worst? I have read many reviews of the actual navigation and have friends who have tested it against the Android Google Maps navigation and have found it to be about the same. Some times it was better, some times Google was better depending on the actual end address and route needed. So I am interested in what you found lacking. I don't have iOS 6 yet and so have not done my own testing of it.
Most of the reports on the "terrible" Maps app have to do with shoddy 3D rendering in FlyBy (I am sure you have all seen examples -- and btw the Google version in Google Earth has lots of its own shoddy 3D renderings) as well as occasional misplaced location or misspelled location name. (Many of the "lack of detail" issues are actually misunderstandings on how the iOS Maps app fills in details as you zoom in while the Google one uses static map images with all the details embedded in the image itself).
Thanks!
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I've had the 5 for about a week now. Yes, it's essentially a lighter, thinner 4S with a faster processor, more RAM, and a taller screen. It was worth the extra $ IMO. BUT: there are NO accessories for it yet. I'm waiting on a dock, cheap lighting to USB cable, and a Magpul case. All are AWOL! Good thing I'm patient.
Having said that, I ****ing love this thing. It's probably the one thing I use most, even more than my jeep.
My must have apps:
YouTube
Netflix
Coinkeeper
Gasbuddy
Facebook
Myradar
Tapatalk
Wolfram alpha (Siri consults this CONSTANTLY)
BulletFlight L1
Wikipanion
Boxee remote
Battleship
Stunt biker
Pinball
Put my name on the list of 4S owners who can't connect to home WiFi. Pissed, I'm about to throw this thing.
The iPhone 5 and the new iPod Touch are the only ones that can use 802.11 n. Maybe your router is set on wireless n? Check into it, and if it is, set it to 802.11 g. You'll be gtg.
I think in the real world, the choice between the iPhone and whatever Android phone is one of user preference more than anything else. And Chad, as much as you are talking about Android folks getting caught up in specs and the lack of applicability of that to "real world usability", I think you are getting down in the weeds as well with your benchmark and single whatever LCD talk. There isn't any longer a real world difference in usability in my experience, with the current generation of Android devices on ICS/JB.
Overall usability is still rated higher for the iPhone by those who test for those things. Android has gotten a lot better, and it has some things it does which probably could be said to be better for those where these things are important (like "customizing" the UI -- totally possible on iPhone if you jailbreak but not OOTB which is my normal criteria for rating things). It has a different philosophy on design and usability and some may prefer that.
I have no problem with that.
As to the assertion that the GS3 is a "clunky, slow POS" with "much worse performance" so on and so forth. It's a bit hyperbolic and over the top, aside from being inaccurate from my perspective (in terms of real world use).
ON a comparison basis, it is slow. It may be perfectly adequate for running the normal workload at todays tech level of software, but the Android line is that spec is everything (so say the Android cheerleaders). Well, the iPhone 5 benchmarks much higher in almost every category by a significant level than the GIII. My reply was specifically to the claim that the iPhone 5 is basically a bigger screen 4S and how absurd that claim is. So I was emphasizing things that would show that not to be true (including in terms of tech).
The claim was that " I really hoped that the new iPhone 5 would be a giant leap forward in technology because whenever a new phone comes out that's a big leap forward" and "The new iPhone really isn't want it should or could be. There were a lot of technical features that were left out and IMO they missed the mark with this one." I pointed out that it actually IS a big leap forward in technology -- actually technology advancements instead of some random new thing that nobody uses being added -- and I asked what technical features he thinks are missing (I am still waiting for the list). In that context, the benchmark scores in conjunction with the size and weight are important as they highlight the improvements made in processor and other subsystems.
You will note I did not include your characterization of the phone as "big"; the size is one advantage of the GS3 and the current class of Android phones.
Or disadvantage. While some people may easily use it as a smartphone, one handed, I have been watching people out in the world using these large Android phablet phones and almost everyone I have seen was using it two handed. I used a GII with its 4.3 and it was not comfortable to use one handed, for me, personally. Either reach of the thumb or typing one handed. I have also played with demo model GIII in the store and they were too big for my normal use. That is no advantage to me. I was worried that Apple would try and chase that size crown and was pleasantly surprised that they did not. And note that the GIII and the iPhone 5 have exactly, within 2/1000 the exact same aspect ratio.
To each their own. Some may not care about one handed use. That is fine.
I know the Cupertino party line is that no one needs a screen bigger than 3.5”, err, I mean 4" but a whole hell of a lot of people appreciate a larger screen. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with a 3.5"/4" screen, different strokes for different folks and all.
That is right. Some people may appreciate a 4.8" diagonal screen. There are plenty of phones with screens in that category for them
It's cool and all that the 5 is so thin...it's not like the GS3 is thick by any stretch.
My stressing the thin and light aspect was not to say that is better, but that it demonstrated the leap forward in technology. It is a lot harder to do performance in miniature and the ability to leapfrog the GIII in performance while getting a lot lighter and thinner was a demonstration of an increase of technology level.
Whether a given person rates the thin and light feature as important to them is a personal decision.
I don't have a GS3 but my wife's in the smaller Otterbox fits in my front jeans pocket just fine, and unobtrusively so...and I'm an average size dude.
I have not tried to stick a phone of the Android phablet variety like a GIII in my pocket where my iPhone normally resides, together with my wallet. Both are in the same pocket. But I don't think it would fit. Your method of carry is different than mine. As you said, different strokes for different folks. I also think I would have trouble with it in my shirt pocket but have not tried. When wearing a tie, I sometimes have it in my shirt pocket. Not all that often.
Screen size is one of those neutral points that is neither better or worse. Some people want the ultra big, and some people want the more handy size. Different strokes for different folks.
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Nope. You have to download a turn by turn app on previous models. That's the one thing I liked about android phones over my iPhone...
The iPhone gave you choice as there are lots of 3rd party apps you could choose from. However, it was a competitive disadvantage and here is one explanation for it:
http://allthingsd.com/20120926/apple-google-maps-talks-crashed-over-voice-guided-directions/
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Put my name on the list of 4S owners who can't connect to home WiFi. Pissed, I'm about to throw this thing. I was much happier with my Android phone. Doubt I'll go with Apple again next upgrade. I went with Apple mainly for the iTunes compatability. The Navigation is the worst...
Mine is GTG on my wifi. It was a PITA to get it done unlike the 4, which set up within seconds. If you mean navigation on the phone, that's a learning curve like anything. If you mean driving/GPS style navigation, seems to be mixed opinions there. I have not used it on my 4S and tend to use a dedicated GPS unit for that.
RogerinTPA
10-07-12, 09:34
I have a factor 'unlocked' 4 with the max storage and a sim card, which allows me to swap sim cards internationally and saves me from carrying 2 or 3 additional phones. If Apple comes out with a 5 that's similar, I'll be more open to go that route. Besides, I have too much 4 series support stuff to piss away for now.
I have a factor 'unlocked' 4 with the max storage and a sim card, which allows me to swap sim cards internationally and saves me from carrying 2 or 3 additional phones. If Apple comes out with a 5 that's similar, I'll be more open to go that route. Besides, I have too much 4 series support stuff to piss away for now.
I travel to SA regularly now (have a place in Panama City) and was wondering how that all worked and if it worked with 4S. I have read articles on 'jailbreaking' but it's not my area of expertise and i don't want to 'brick' the phone if i screw up.
Guys, I think that it's a router issue. I gonna chase the lead that SMETNA suggested, but I've horsed around with the router quite a bit already.
Regarding the navigation, I came off an HTC Incredible when I switched to the iPhone (after an exhaustive wait for Verizon to support the iPhone). On the HTC, the navigation literally looked and behaved like a Garmin or TomTom unit, what I'm assuming we're calling "turn by turn" above. It was awesome, and since I do quite a bit of traveling for work, I used it often. I was just dissapointed with what the iPhone upgrade got me.
Nope. You have to download a turn by turn app on previous models. That's the one thing I liked about android phones over my iPhone...
It's worth noting that MotionX GPS Drive for the iPhone provides turn-by-turn, traffic, speed limits, even active lane information. That $2.99 app blows away the OEM Android/Google version in my experience. To pick a smart phone based on the included navigation app seems silly to me when a couple of bucks and a 60 second download of an aftermarket app will address the issue.
I travel to SA regularly now (have a place in Panama City) and was wondering how that all worked and if it worked with 4S. I have read articles on 'jailbreaking' but it's not my area of expertise and i don't want to 'brick' the phone if i screw up.
Who is your carrier?
And you still have your 4, right?
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I have a factor 'unlocked' 4 with the max storage and a sim card, which allows me to swap sim cards internationally and saves me from carrying 2 or 3 additional phones. If Apple comes out with a 5 that's similar, I'll be more open to go that route. Besides, I have too much 4 series support stuff to piss away for now.
The Verizon version of the 5 has an unlocked SIM card (since the normal Verizon service doesn't need a SIM card anyway). When I get a 5 I will probably get the Verizon version if I can (though I use it on AT&T -- it works fine there in non LTE mode and AT&T doesn't have LTE in my area anyway). I'll pay full price but I am not up for a cheap renewal phone anyway.
Verizon iPhone 5 is probably the best bet for those who travel internationally even if you are on AT&T here since, except for LTE, it will work with all the fast UMTS/HDPA+ etc stuff.
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Who is your carrier?
And you still have your 4, right?
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AT&T, have a buyer for the 4, so unless they back out, will be 4S only. Thanx
RogerinTPA
10-07-12, 15:38
I travel to SA regularly now (have a place in Panama City) and was wondering how that all worked and if it worked with 4S. I have read articles on 'jailbreaking' but it's not my area of expertise and i don't want to 'brick' the phone if i screw up.
A buddy of mine has the 4s in the same configuration as my 4. Just buy a data plan and you're GTG. I carry a roshan and an etesalat sim card, depending on where I'm at and which one works best in that particular A.O. FYI, if you own the phone outright, or done with your commitment, just tell your provider to unlock it. It's free.
A lot of folks pay the local phone shops in various countries to jailbreak their phones for 50 to 100 dollars. I think it's foolish, but since they are still tied to a 2 yr contract stateside and don't own the phone outright, I guess it depends on your situation and the min vs max level of phone capability you're willing to live with.
RogerinTPA
10-07-12, 15:49
The Verizon version of the 5 has an unlocked SIM card (since the normal Verizon service doesn't need a SIM card anyway). When I get a 5 I will probably get the Verizon version if I can (though I use it on AT&T -- it works fine there in non LTE mode and AT&T doesn't have LTE in my area anyway). I'll pay full price but I am not up for a cheap renewal phone anyway.
Verizon iPhone 5 is probably the best bet for those who travel internationally even if you are on AT&T here since, except for LTE, it will work with all the fast UMTS/HDPA+ etc stuff.
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Thanks Chad, I'll look into it.
chadbag, you're hilarious! I didn't know you from Adam when I posted to this thread but since that post it's obvious you're an Apple fanboi and Apple can do no wrong in your eyes. You claim to know SO much about technology and then you talk out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand, tech specs aren't important and then in the same breath you cite the specs that make the iPhone incrementally better in some obscure aspects as your reasoning. Make up your mind. Then you go on to say that the Nav included with the new iPhone is on par or even better (ROFL) than Google Maps?!?! That's too much. Seriously. I guess that the CEO of Apple apologizing for how awful their mapping solution was was just to get his face in the spotlight, huh? I mean, CEO's make a habit of apologizing for things that are just as good or better than the competition on a regular basis, right? Don't take my word for it, here's the actual letter (http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/) wrought with excuses and empty promises from your leader himself on the Apple website.
Face it, no matter what Apple does you will see it as an advancement. Wait, not just a simple advancement, but an industry revolutionizing leap forward innovation.
You want the list of things that the new iPhone STILL doesn't include that has been standard feature for most phones for years? You got it but I don't know why I bother because, typical of most Apple fanbois, you'll simply explain why they're unstable or why you don't really need them anyway:
*Static homescreen icons for apps. No widgets? Get with the 90's already Apple! I look at an iPhone and I see nothing. I look at my Android phone and the amount of real-time current information right on my home screen w/o needing to touch anything is astounding. Sure I can click something to get more details but most of what I need is right there. I don't need to launch any apps to see the information I need most.
*Customization of... ANYTHING! (Who likes to customize things in this day and age lol)
*No OS scaling means EVERY dev must now redo their app to utilize the larger display which means that for most users the apps they often use will be the same size as their previous iPhone with a black border. Nice smooth transition for early adopting customers there Apple.
*No NFC. This will be the next industry standard just like Bluetooth yet still nothing from an Apple device. Don't worry, I'm sure Apple will offer an iPhone 5nfc next.
*4" display. lol perfect for women, children and men with tiny hands. While I agree these is such a thing as 'too big' for smartphones... 4.00" ain't it.
*Lightning port means all new cables and adapters. What's so LIGHTING about it? Oh, right... the jolt to Apple's profit margin once again.
*Resolution: 1160 x 640 (Seriously Apple? Not even 720p? This is a joke)
*New combined chip for all radio bands makes simultaneous talk & data not work plus it doesn't play well with LTE (You know... the new industry standard for mobile data? Remember all those commercials about being able to walk and chew gum at the same time? Apple took a step back there. I guess there was plenty of reasons nobody else had that yet.. but it's a first for Apple alright!)
*User replaceable memory card slot (this is a well thought out strategy for planned obsolescence that screws it's customers over & assures new purchase of handset more often)
*Proprietary cables for EVERYTHING (what a PITA for the end-user but again... profit for Apple)
*Flash? No Flash? Where's Flash? HTML5 may replace Flash but we're still at over 90% of websites based on Flash so having a device that won't work on the CURRENT industry standard is just stupid.
*iOS6.. what a turd this 'upgrade' has proven to be. From ongoing WiFi connection issues to loss of all contact information for some to shortened battery life to missing music to an overall buggy user experience. Funny how Android was ridiculed for this years ago when their OS was still in it's infancy but now that it's solid and iOS has taken a step back you don't hear a peep about the iOS6 issues, do you?
....there's plenty more but is it even necessary at this point? This is your revolutionary phone that is going to force the competition to triple their efforts? Hardly.
Way to go Apple. I had hoped that the new iPhone 5 would at least have SOME innovative features to spur other manufacturers to build better devices. Maybe you need to spend more time in the lab and less time in the courts suing for patent infringement for patented features you didn't develop. It's essentially an iPhone 4s with a shinier Apple logo. #iSheep
Kimmel on iphone 4s and 5 shows the consumer that Apple targets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4&feature=youtu.be
5 stages of iPhone 5 grief:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma91z06rKt1qf8rjmo1_500.jpg
Belmont31R
10-07-12, 17:23
That is the best thing about Android (widgets) so I don't have to click on anything. I have the WeatherUnderground widget on my homescreen which gives real time current temp plus 3 day forecast. The google search bar is awesome, and it does both voice and text input.
The static apps are great. What I use the most is always on the screen when flipping through screens.
Back button on the bottom of the phone works great.
Larger screen is awesome. Guess it depends on the person but Iphone has so so much dead space on the phone the GS3 isn't REALLY all that much larger. The GS3 has far less dead space. Kinda like the saying there is no replacement for displacement. I don't care if the new Iphone screen is slightly better on paper. The GS3 screen is excellent, and watching youtube videos on it is far better than a smaller screen, and as said the phone is not THAT much larger due to the smaller amount of dead space.
Apple maps is the suck for our area. We have one of each phone here, and Apple maps displays far less information and the maps they display are older. Google navigation is far better than Apple's. The Apple CEO apology should be proof enough.
Ability to change the UI is non-existent on Apple unless you jail break the phone. You don't have to do anything like that with Android. All I did was buy the SwiftKey 3 keyboard for a couple bucks and have a keyboard that is far superior to anything Apple has where you constantly have to flip between keyboard screens to do basic punctuation.
Micro SD card slot and a $20 SanDisk card gives me the storage space just under the top Iphone price wise, and for FAR cheaper. Apple has a habit of charging ridiculous prices for things like memory and RAM upgrades.
I would agree the older Android phones had issues, and Android itself was not stable enough. My phone has been on for over a month straight now just recharging when it gets low, and not had a single app failure or crash.
With rooting and Titanium Backup Pro I can do backups, and store the data on any HD or put it on cloud based storage like Drive, Dropbox, WD live, ect.
As I've said in other threads, though, I think Apple still makes a good phone and we're at the point either will be good. I think Apple is prob better for someone like my wife who uses it casually and doesn't care about getting different keyboards or widgets. IOS has the simplicity that is good for someone like her. OR if you already have a bunch of Apple stuff it would be easier to integrate with what you already have. I have a Samsung laptop and TV so I more or less have the same functionality Apple's solution offers. With a $150 WD my book live I have 2TB worth of home cloud based storage that every device can share and save to.
chadbag, you're hilarious! I didn't know you from Adam when I posted to this thread but since that post it's obvious you're an Apple fanboi and Apple can do no wrong in your eyes.
So, we have an Android fanboi arguing with an Apple fanboi.
*yawn*
chadbag, you're hilarious! I didn't know you from Adam when I posted to this thread but since that post it's obvious you're an Apple fanboi and Apple can do no wrong in your eyes.
Ha ha ha ha. Of course Apple can do wrong. I am the first to admit it and will criticize them for it.
You claim to know SO much about technology and then you talk out of both sides of your mouth.
really, where?
On one hand, tech specs aren't important and then in the same breath you cite the specs that make the iPhone incrementally better in some obscure aspects as your reasoning.
For example?
I said RAW SPECS are not important. What is important is actual performance specs.
Make up your mind. Then you go on to say that the Nav included with the new iPhone is on par or even better (ROFL) than Google Maps?!?!
Lots of independent tests out there have shown that the actual turn by turn navigation on the new Apple Maps app is about equal to the turn by turn navigation by Google Maps. People who have actually used both, side by side, to get places. Sometimes Google does better, other times Apple does better, most of the time it is a wash.
I am NOT talking about the 3D flyer over, nor does this address problems with misplaced data.
One example where Google fell FLAT ON ITS FACE in navigation is a place in San Francisco, where you CANNOT TURN RIGHT onto a highway, but have to go across the highway and then enter onto an on-ramp to get on the highway. This has been like this for at least a year. However, Google Maps Navigation STILL tells people to take a right onto the highway. Apple Maps does it correctly.
Another personal example of the Google directions (this is on the iOS 5 Google Maps and I don't know how the Apple Maps would do in this case) is where I put in a destination while sitting at my parents house. It told me to go to the end of the street, take a left, continue on to a main street, and then take a right on the main street. I thought, great! they have finally made that street (the one where I was to turn left on at the end of my folks' street) a through street. So I went up there. But no, alas, the street was still a one-lane take turns street just over to the next residential street, and it did NOT go through and they had not built a new car bridge over the canal. It has never been that way but yet Google Maps told me to go there. Again, I don't have iOS 6 Maps to show what it would have told me. But Goole FAILED. This was about 3 or 4 weeks ago and is not ancient history. I also saw a site on the internet where a guy posted a recent example where Google Maps told him to get on the motorway in Australia and drive all the way to Europe. He had screen shots. Google Maps is not infallible when it comes to providing directions.
(Another example -- a friend in Seattle took his iPhone 5 and a friends Android phone and did turn by turn comparisons for lots of places in Seattle -- both did stellar jobs)
There are lots of specific examples floating around out there where Apple Maps does a specific route BETTER than Google. And Vice Versa. There are lots of examples where Google does a better job than Apple Maps.
Most of the complaints about the new Apple Maps app are not connected to the navigation itself, but to misplaced or misspelled place names, and funny 3D rendering in the fly over mode.
(IIRC, Apple buys its navigation data from TomTom)
That's too much. Seriously. I guess that the CEO of Apple apologizing for how awful their mapping solution was was just to get his face in the spotlight, huh? I mean, CEO's make a habit of apologizing for things that are just as good or better than the competition on a regular basis, right? Don't take my word for it, here's the actual letter (http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/) wrought with excuses and empty promises from your leader himself on the Apple website.
If you knew what he was apologizing for, it would help. Or if you had half a clue on what the controversy was. The controversy with Apple Maps is not the actual turn by turn directions. It is mostly with funny 3D rendering in flyover mode and also misspelled or misplaced locations or landmarks.
Face it, no matter what Apple does you will see it as an advancement. Wait, not just a simple advancement, but an industry revolutionizing leap forward innovation.
Great. Put words in my mouth.
You want the list of things that the new iPhone STILL doesn't include that has been standard feature for most phones for years?
This is a bit of an exaggeration. I think "by most phones" you mean Android.
You got it but I don't know why I bother because, typical of most Apple fanbois, you'll simply explain why they're unstable or why you don't really need them anyway:
*Static homescreen icons for apps. No widgets? Get with the 90's already Apple! I look at an iPhone and I see nothing. I look at my Android phone and the amount of real-time current information right on my home screen w/o needing to touch anything is astounding. Sure I can click something to get more details but most of what I need is right there. I don't need to launch any apps to see the information I need most.
Android 1.5 and above (user extensible widgets), which was released slightly over 3 years ago. I don't know when it actually was shipping on new phones, since it takes like forever for new versions of Android to show up in new devices and lots of devices never get upgraded.
*Customization of... ANYTHING! (Who likes to customize things in this day and age lol)
*No OS scaling means EVERY dev must now redo their app to utilize the larger display which means that for most users the apps they often use will be the same size as their previous iPhone with a black border. Nice smooth transition for early adopting customers there Apple.
You don't mean OS scaling. You mean resolution independent display. There are pros and cons to this. Google them if that interests you.
I suspect that Apple will eventually move to a true resolution independent display once they solve some problems. Things that relate to the polish and user experience that Google users don't care about.
(Ask any designer -- there are lots of things you cannot do on Android, design wise, because you don't have absolute control over placement)
*No NFC. This will be the next industry standard just like Bluetooth yet still nothing from an Apple device. Don't worry, I'm sure Apple will offer an iPhone 5nfc next.
HA HA HA. Nobody cares about NFC right now. NFC is not quite ready for prime time. If and when it becomes important, Apple will be there with it. I have not seen ONE PLACE that accepts NFC payments, for example.
And NFC is not the next industry standard like Bluetooth. Bluetooth is a much different protocol used for different things. There is some overlap but not really a lot.
*4" display. lol perfect for women, children and men with tiny hands. While I agree these is such a thing as 'too big' for smartphones... 4.00" ain't it.
I knew it was coming.
Usability tests would disagree with you. I am sure that you, the all-mighty "Jer" know more about usability and than Apple, who tests more and develops more usability stuff than almost anyone else. Apple does not do anything without knowing exactly why, what, how, etc. They are very deliberate in their moves. They are not always right, but they are not dumb.
The 4" screen is, for most people, about ideal. You don't have to like it, but for most people, it is the sweet spot. I personally am glad it is not any wider.
*Lightning port means all new cables and adapters. What's so LIGHTING about it? Oh, right... the jolt to Apple's profit margin once again.
If you knew anything about it, you would know why they use their own port. The Lightning port is much more versatile than a micro-USB port. It can run at higher current so can charge much faster. They also can do things that are not defined by the USB standard, but the higher current than USB standard is probably the major reason.
*Resolution: 1160 x 640 (Seriously Apple? Not even 720p? This is a joke)
How about Android DPI? The Apple DPI is much higher at 326. The 306 on the GIII is only the Green pixels. The other colors are at the 2xx level.
1136x640 (not 1160x640) is functionally equivalent. It is the same 16:9 aspect ratio and can show as much data (especially due to the higher DPI). The 1136x640 is related to the width of the screen.
*New combined chip for all radio bands makes simultaneous talk & data not work plus it doesn't play well with LTE (You know... the new industry standard for mobile data? Remember all those commercials about being able to walk and chew gum at the same time? Apple took a step back there. I guess there was plenty of reasons nobody else had that yet.. but it's a first for Apple alright!)
Does not work well with LTE? What are you talking about? It works just fine with LTE.
And it supports simultaneous talk and data on HSPA networks just fine. The problem is that there is no voice standard for LTE (yet) which is why it drops down to HSPA in that case.
Those android phones that support LTE data and CDMA/EVDO voice connections run two separate chips, with the attendant high power draw. It is a trade off.
*User replaceable memory card slot (this is a well thought out strategy for planned obsolescence that screws it's customers over & assures new purchase of handset more often)
It has nothing to do with planned obsolesce. It has to do with the fact that a very high percentage of people NEVER USE THE REMOVABLE CARDS as such -- they use the card it came with and never swap it out. I would bet it is over 90%. A feature that hardly anyone uses is not an important feature for most people and only leads to more complex hardware that is more prone to failure. For a long time, Android phones HAD to have it since they shipped with 8GB if you were lucky where Apple had 64GB if you wanted. Lately the Android phones have started shipping with more. The GIII on ATT has 16GB included. Big technological improvement.
Apple made the decision to not put a memory card slot on to reduce complexity and to enable a lighter and handier device to be made. They saw that very few people ever swapped their memory cards (yes, I know that a few people do -- you may even do so), using the one it came with [cameras, phones, etc] and made design decision based on that. [For the record, I have never wished for this feature on my iPhone -- never once felt the need. And my DSLR is the ONLY device where I have semi-regularly swapped memory cards -- none of the digital point and shoot cameras we have have we ever done so, even though we have extra memory cards]
*Proprietary cables for EVERYTHING (what a PITA for the end-user but again... profit for Apple)
You already brought this up. The former 30pin connector and the new Lightning connector are much more versatile. As I mentioned, Lightning supports much higher currents than does the USB standard and can charge at a higher rate of current. They can also do lots of other things that you don't do with USB since they have more pins and can control what they are used for. I like that my iPhone 4S can be completely charged in less than an hour from 1% to 100%. I have not timed it but it is very fast. My micro USB charged devices take a lot longer (my MiFi for example).
*Flash? No Flash? Where's Flash? HTML5 may replace Flash but we're still at over 90% of websites based on Flash so having a device that won't work on the CURRENT industry standard is just stupid.
Thank goodness it does not support FLASH. You were talking about the 90s? Go back to your beloved 90s FLASH technology. FLASH is a buggy power sucky monstrosity. You should be glad that iOS does not have FLASH as it only helps get rid of it on the web for everyone.
Bzzzt. Try again.
*iOS6.. what a turd this 'upgrade' has proven to be. From ongoing WiFi connection issues to loss of all contact information for some to shortened battery life to missing music to an overall buggy user experience.
Really? I have not upgraded yet but most of the people I know have not had issues. A few people had some WiFi issues. I believe those are mostly cleared up. For being a buggy turd, iOS 6 has had the fastest uptake for any iOS update.
And at least Apple provides upgrades for their devices. Even the 3.5 year old 3GS could update to iOS 6, though some features are not available on the 3GS.
Most Android devices never get an upgrade or if they do, just one. And it takes months for it to come out for a device once Google releases it.
Funny how Android was ridiculed for this years ago when their OS was still in it's infancy but now that it's solid and iOS has taken a step back you don't hear a peep about the iOS6 issues, do you?
huh? care to translate that last bit?
....there's plenty more but is it even necessary at this point? This is your revolutionary phone that is going to force the competition to triple their efforts? Hardly.
Please translate this again? Everything you listed above is not some great technological advancement on Android's / Google's part. They are mostly design decisions that have PROs and CONs. Nothing above that you mentioned is a huge plus for Google.
Some people like widgets. I have not really missed them. There are some nice things about them. Hardly a killer feature.
And, btw, they've already started tripling their efforts.
Way to go Apple. I had hoped that the new iPhone 5 would at least have SOME innovative features to spur other manufacturers to build better devices.
For example, like what?
Better CPU, better screen, lighter, handier, better fit and finish. None of that will spur other manufacturers on?
A Full-Rez Panorama mode in the Camera? My understanding is that the Android camera app lowers the resolution in panorama mode. iOS takes full rez shots in Panorama mode.
Maybe you need to spend more time in the lab and less time in the courts suing for patent infringement for patented features you didn't develop.
Except they did. Do your homework on that one. Samsungs internal documents even show they were copying Apple, knowingly.
And Samsung was unable to show prior art for the features you claim Apple did not invent.
You should do some homework on innovation and what it is. Apple innovates and innovates a lot. Google does as well. My comment was not a swipe at Google.
There is a ton of innovation in the iPhone 5. Too bad you are too blind to see it.
It's essentially an iPhone 4s with a shinier Apple logo. #iSheep
Ha. This just shows how uninformed you are. iPhone 5, from a technology standpoint, is not just a 4S with a bigger screen (or shiny apple logo).
I'd rather be an iSheep than an Android fanboi idiot.
And who are the real Sheep? Android sells more combined phones across all makes and models than Apple does so who are the real sheep?
Kimmel on iphone 4s and 5 shows the consumer that Apple targets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4&feature=youtu.be
And if you took a Galaxy III out and did the same thing and called it the Galaxy IV, you would have a similar reaction. Like I need a comedian to inform me on technology.
5 stages of iPhone 5 grief:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma91z06rKt1qf8rjmo1_500.jpg
And that is supposed to be funny? Only the Android Fanbois go around making that sort of stuff up and then think they are so clever. More a symptom of Android fanboi envy. FAIL.
I've talked to a few people who have gotten iPhone 5s. Most upgraded from a 4 or 4S. All are delighted. Still are a few weeks later. They range from housewife types to engineers and everyone in between.
And, BTW, I am still waiting for your lists of what tech Apple should have included in the new iPhone and what marvelous tech Android has that makes it far superior. About the only thing that could even reasonably come close to be on that list is the "widget" thing. Hardly a groundbreaking new technology.
I think your problem is that iOS is not Android.
Apple does not blindly follow the oracles of tech on what the newest tech fad might be -- they evaluate technology and make a case for its enhancement of the user experience. They add in new technology that will enhance the overall user experience and product. Sometimes they are the first to put in new tech and sometimes one of the last. It depends on what the tech is, and if it is ready for prime time as a true enhancer of the user experience. Then they REFINE that. Each new iPhone is a refinement of the previous. That includes new tech as well as refinement of the old. Each of their new generations is not some new shotgun blast but a continuation of the old. For people who do not understand that, it makes it appear that the iPhone 5 is just a 4s with a bigger screen. They miss the forest for the trees.
I am still waiting for your rebuttal to my claim that the iPhone 5 is probably the most technologically advanced smartphone currently shipping to the mass market. Your "list" above certainly was not it.
(To recap: iPhone 5 has the most powerful processor when looking at performance and energy usage, best screen for color reproduction and image quality, lightest for its performance, the benchmark camera for a smartphone, and the most advanced OS -- don't tell me Android is the most advanced -- it is horribly inefficient compared to iOS requiring much beefier processors and much bigger batteries to equal the performance of iOS -- and even 4.1 still suffers from the video choke point of doing everything in the main thread that causes it to be less smooth in scrolling -- they have mitigated it to a great degree in 4.1 and thrown hardware at it -- but the source of the problem still exists)
Some people will prefer Android, which is fine. Some people will prefer iOS/iPhone. Also fine. I have no problem if someone wants to choose Android. I don't go around insecurely ridiculing them. They have their reasons. But when you start to make all kinds of outrageous claims that have no basis in reality, I will respond.
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Larger screen is awesome. Guess it depends on the person but Iphone has so so much dead space on the phone the GS3 isn't REALLY all that much larger. The GS3 has far less dead space. Kinda like the saying there is no replacement for displacement. I don't care if the new Iphone screen is slightly better on paper. The GS3 screen is excellent, and watching youtube videos on it is far better than a smaller screen, and as said the phone is not THAT much larger due to the smaller amount of dead space.
Just a fact check, as our friends in the MSM like to say:
iPhone 5 width: 2.31"
GSIII width: 2.78" almost 1/2 inch.
From looking at pics, the sides of the phones look to be about the same width -- the frame between the outside and the screen. Your "dead space" is more at the top and bottom
Apple maps is the suck for our area. We have one of each phone here, and Apple maps displays far less information
Have you tried zooming in? Google uses static map images so all detail is shown at all zoom sizes. The Apple Maps uses vector images and applies detail as an overlay so that as you zoom in, more detail appears.
I don't know if that is what you are seeing, but I have seen screen shot examples that show a large area and seemingly little detail, but as you zoom in, all sorts of detail appears.
I am not saying it is better, or worse. Just a different way of attacking the problem.
and the maps they display are older. Google navigation is far better than Apple's. The Apple CEO apology should be proof enough.
The CEO apology was not about navigation. It was about the complete app. Navigation itself is not the major issue. Many independent tests have shown that they are about equal in ability to route you to your destination. In some example test cases, Google did better, and in others, Apple did better (see my example I mentioned about a highway in San Francisco where Apple does it right but Google can get you arrested)
Most of the issues with the Apple Maps app have to do with misplaced locations, misspelled place names, and things like that. As well as lots of funny and embarrassing 3D rendering of buildings, bridges, etc in Flyover mode. (But to note: The Google Earth app, which has a similar mode to the 3D Flyover mode, makes a lot of the same sort of errors in rendering. But it is in a different app, not in Maps, so does not get the same coverage).
I posted a link in the other iPhone 5 thread that showed a lot of the funny and embarrassing rendering of places.
Quote:Did Apple not have turn by turn nav until the 5?
It isnt the 5, its the OS6 that has the turn by turn. It would be nice if it would talk thru my blue tooth.
Belmont31R
10-07-12, 19:27
Just a fact check, as our friends in the MSM like to say:
iPhone 5 width: 2.31"
GSIII width: 2.78" almost 1/2 inch.
From looking at pics, the sides of the phones look to be about the same width -- the frame between the outside and the screen. Your "dead space" is more at the top and bottom
Have you tried zooming in? Google uses static map images so all detail is shown at all zoom sizes. The Apple Maps uses vector images and applies detail as an overlay so that as you zoom in, more detail appears.
I don't know if that is what you are seeing, but I have seen screen shot examples that show a large area and seemingly little detail, but as you zoom in, all sorts of detail appears.
I am not saying it is better, or worse. Just a different way of attacking the problem.
The CEO apology was not about navigation. It was about the complete app. Navigation itself is not the major issue. Many independent tests have shown that they are about equal in ability to route you to your destination. In some example test cases, Google did better, and in others, Apple did better (see my example I mentioned about a highway in San Francisco where Apple does it right but Google can get you arrested)
Most of the issues with the Apple Maps app have to do with misplaced locations, misspelled place names, and things like that. As well as lots of funny and embarrassing 3D rendering of buildings, bridges, etc in Flyover mode. (But to note: The Google Earth app, which has a similar mode to the 3D Flyover mode, makes a lot of the same sort of errors in rendering. But it is in a different app, not in Maps, so does not get the same coverage).
I posted a link in the other iPhone 5 thread that showed a lot of the funny and embarrassing rendering of places.
Thats why I thought I was qualifying my post by saying 'in our area'. From what I've seen apple maps put a lot of emphasis on some areas like they show in their commercial but a lot are lacking in a lot of other areas...which is why the Apple CEO issued an apology. Never had an issue with google maps, and before we jump ahead of ourselves that is what Apple phones used until IOS6. Never heard any complaints about google maps before a few weeks ago.
Navigation is a big issue since a lot of people use their phones in leu of a dedicated GPS either factory installed or something like a Garmin. I know we have no bought a Garmin since our phones did that duty. When my wife did home health nursing she used her Iphone (using google maps) to get to patients houses instead of a Garmin or even the factory installed Honda we were using at the time. That honda was junk. Anyways NOT having to put a GPS like a Garmin or a factory installed unit saves us a lot of money so the phone needs to work well. With what we are seeing on IOS6 for our area Google maps is still king, and is what everyone with Iphones were using prior to IOS6 anyways.
Next time we are out we'll use both phone's and see how they compare. Last time I used mine we were going to a Mex resturant we haven't been to in a couple years, and my phone brought up a street view of where to turn in when we got close, and made finding the place a breeze. It's kind of offset from the road and easy to miss. Without the street view I'd prob have missed it since it looks like any other entrance that is off the street which there were a lot.
Anyways, again, don't think either phone is lacking at this point, and just depends on what the user wants or already has. If I had a bunch of Apple stuff already I'd just get an Iphone. For us, aside from the Iphones, we were all already on PC type equipment so it was easier for me to go Android than it would be for someone with a bunch of apple hardware in the house to go Android.
I just think its a bit of a myth that going 'all apple' has more functionality than going all non apple. All the same stuff can be had or was already available. My several year old PS3 does pretty much all the same stuff a Apple TV console does, and mixed with the Samsung Smart TV is actually more functional than what Apple has out. My TV came with a blue tooth full size keyboard and with the WD live system its actually more functional than going 'all Apple'.
Belmont31R
10-07-12, 19:29
Quote:Did Apple not have turn by turn nav until the 5?
It isnt the 5, its the OS6 that has the turn by turn. It would be nice if it would talk thru my blue tooth.
What blue tooth?
We just bought a Mazda 3 i touring with BT integration and when I pull up navigation the directions get put out by the car stereo not my phone. Same as getting a call. There are buttons on the steering wheel and the caller ID gets put up on the screen of the car.
Thats why I thought I was qualifying my post by saying 'in our area'.
You did. I was not trying to attack your statement but ask some questions in order to better understand what you were saying.
My other comments came after your general comment on navigation.
From what I've seen apple maps put a lot of emphasis on some areas like they show in their commercial but a lot are lacking in a lot of other areas
Which is why I asked about zooming. Zooming in may show more details than you are aware of. Maybe not. Hence the question.
...which is why the Apple CEO issued an apology. Never had an issue with google maps, and before we jump ahead of ourselves that is what Apple phones used until IOS6. Never heard any complaints about google maps before a few weeks ago.
Google maps performs reasonably well on my iOS 5 device but is not perfect. Lots of examples out there of screwups from Google maps as well. But I still use it to find my way around when needing to go somewhere new.
And of course there are plenty of documented cases of the Apple Maps app screwing up. No denying that as well.
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Watching *people get so fired up about inanimate objects makes me want to cut myself
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Watching *people get so fired up about inanimate objects makes me want to cut myself
* no one in particular
Makes me laugh. Its a ****in phone, I dont get whats the big deal. I have a $20 flip phone. Still makes phone calls and sends text messages. Can I play "angry birds" like a 6yr old, no and I am totally ok with that.
What I REALLY find hilarious is the numbnuts that camp out for days just to get a damn phone thats probably going to have some many bugs to work out it wont function.
I must admit, I hate anything I-whatever. Simply because Apple shit is loved by all skinny jean and converse wearing, hipster retards. And heaven forbid if someone go without their beloved phone! Most of these numbnuts CANT LIVE without it.....literally.
I do believe "smart" phones are lowering the IQ of the population.
The way this guy gushes is kind of funny though the point about the presentation of the phone is valid.
iPhone 5 review: Marveling at the existence of the greatest phone ever made. - Slate Magazine
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/10/iphone_5_review_marveling_at_the_existence_of_the_greatest_phone_ever_made_.html?google_editors_picks=true
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Watching *people get so fired up about inanimate objects makes me want to cut myself
* no one in particular
Yeh. Fortuntately, we never see that when people discuss brands of firearms around here.
I just like that my iPhone 5 loads things faster than my friends S3. Used to rub LTE speed in my face when I had iPhone 4. Now doesn't wanna talk about speed or quality but only his customized home screen. I never had an issue with my iPhone 4. He is on his third S3. Lol. Anyways the navigation is flawless for all those who care. Haven't seen any melting bridges in Tampa either lol
Almost identical story as above with a friend who has a droid razor. Except he now calls him phone a pos. Android fans are pretty cocky until their shit breaks in my experience.
Watching *people get so fired up about inanimate objects makes me want to cut myself
And you're saying that on a gun forum?! :nono::D:nono:
Yeh. Fortuntately, we never see that when people discuss brands of firearms around here.
Hah!
There is a difference. An AR made of all the best types of aluminum and steel, properly manufactured and assembled, will be better than one whose manufacturer cut corners on. That's a pretty black and white concept.
But getting into " this UI or OS is shit because I say so", or "That screen is too big/small", or " That's a giant evil corporation" . . . . those are all opinions, not data points. And to get fired up about differences of opinion about a TOY is silly to me.
I guess that's more of what I meant. And I meant it mostly as a joke anyway.
Disclaimer: My iPhone is "issued" by my employer.
I've had an iPhone 5 for about a week now, and so far I'm pleased. Prior to this phone, I used the iPhone 3 and 4 each for a couple of years. I never owned one of the "S" series, so each upgrade has been a significant improvement. First, it is very fast on the 4GLTE. Having Siri is nice in this upgrade and the screen is noticeably easier to use (especially when texting while driving ;)). In addition, I've intentionally used the turn-by-turn directions whenever possible to get a feel for the reliability. So far, no major missteps and the maps seem to be just as accurate as my TomTom.
VooDoo6Actual
10-09-12, 16:05
Been using my iPhone 5 64 GB GSM for a few days now & Samsung S lll for longer maybe 2-3 months now.
Like most things in life, there are different approaches & ways to approaching/solving/performance/engineering/skinning a Cat etc. I see little value in "getting spooled up" or "wrapped around the axle" about cell phones. Buy what you think fits your needs & be done with it. No matter what Technology marches on & there is always something bigger, better, faster etc.
Both are great tools & I have to agree w/ many comments here. I use both phones prolifically & adroitly. I like them both & have no favorite. Each one has some different strengths & weaknesses. Find out what their specific forte's are & use what works best. I'm using OtterBox Defender's on each one w/ no issues.
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Perhaps my favorite application is GoSkyWatch.
It's phenomenal and I find myself looking up at the heavens on clear nights.
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I have a 4S that they are now practically giving away with a 2 year contract. I've been pleased with it thus far. Is it worth upgrading the 4S to iOS 6?
Siri occasionally gets hung up right now. Sometimes the raise to talk feature doesn't work consistently and I'm wondering if the update will get things on track.
I didn't get the iPhone 5 because AT&T, my longtime carrier, doesn't have the LTE network where I'm at.
Like what, the truth? The actual technology inside the iPhone 5 is more advanced overall than any Android phone out there. Only raw-spec hounds cannot understand that.
This is a very odd statement. You're saying people who pay attention to specs can't appreciate how good the iPhone 5 is?? That's pretty fanboi.
I feel like apple is headed down the same path as they did with computers. Proprietary design with no compromise for open market. Massive early adaptation only to be eclipsed by more functional and practical software and hardware after major market segments advanced beyond fad fanfare.
I would like to think they have a solution for not allowing history to repeat.
But it would seem that they may even succumb to the same old demise, an operating system that allowed and even cultivated open market product development AS WELL AS STANDARDIZATION.
You can be the first in an industry... But who finishes is often so much more relevant.
Looking through the apple museum, people tout the monitor computer combo package of the 90s as being innovation or artful, but let's be honest, that this was a piece of translucent blue shit. Modularity and upgradeability ended up being far more important.
Thank goodness it does not support FLASH. You were talking about the 90s? Go back to your beloved 90s FLASH technology. FLASH is a buggy power sucky monstrosity. You should be glad thatiOS does not have FLASH as it only helps get rid of it on the web for everyone
Really? That's your answer? Practicality dude...
You already brought this up. The former 30pin connector and the new Lightning connector are much more versatile. As I mentioned, Lightning supports much higher currents than does the USB standard and can charge at a higher rate of current. They can also do lots of other things that you don't do with USB since they have more pins and can control what they are used for. I like that my iPhone 4S can be completely charged in less than an hour from 1% to 100%. I have not timed it but it is very fast. My micro USB charged devices take a lot longer (my MiFi for example).
Is this like the firewire flop? no one cares unless everyone has it... The world of phones is not moving to the apple connector of any vintage.
The complaints about the lightning connector are retarded, for two reasons.
Apple came out with the 30 pin in what, 2003? Long overdue for a smaller/faster replacement. Boo hoo, your old accessories won't work without an adapter. That's what happens with tech. There's a reason most people run HDMI instead of s-video these days. I'd say the 30 pin had more than a reasonable run, almost a decade.
Secondly, who cares if apple chooses to design their own connector? It doesn't affect the price or availability of accessories at all. Everyone makes apple accessories right along side USB accessories. Tons of choices. (Not right now, because its still very new, but over the coming weeks there'll be loads of choices for lightning docks and cables and car kits and sich.
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The complaints about the lightning connector are retarded, for two reasons.
Apple came out with the 30 pin in what, 2003? Long overdue for a smaller/faster replacement. Boo hoo, your old accessories won't work without an adapter. That's what happens with tech. There's a reason most people run HDMI instead of s-video these days. I'd say the 30 pin had more than a reasonable run, almost a decade.
Secondly, who cares if apple chooses to design their own connector? It doesn't affect the price or availability of accessories at all. Everyone makes apple accessories right along side USB accessories. Tons of choices. (Not right now, because its still very new, but over the coming weeks there'll be loads of choices for lightning docks and cables and car kits and sich.
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Agreed on all fronts. When you're the big guy on the block, haters spend their time looking for weakness or perceived weakness to knock you down, and ignore the strong points. My choice (via OP) was my choice based on factors that made sense for me at this time, vs any complaints of the fact they updated and improved the doc, etc.
Objective Apple "fan boy" right here. :dirol:
Apple aint perfect to be sure, but I'll still pay the extra $$ for their comps and other offerings because for my uses, they have always been superior to other offerings out there.
Yes, the gap is closing, and it's harder to justify the cost differences between platforms, but that too is the nature of tech.
This is a very odd statement. You're saying people who pay attention to specs can't appreciate how good the iPhone 5 is?? That's pretty fanboi.
No, it is being called technically literate and being able to get past the
dual 1.5ghz processor -- must be better than a dual 1.3ghz processor or dual 800mhz
even when the 1.3ghz processor blows rings around the 1.5ghz processor and the 800mhz processor (with iOS 6) is almost equal in most regards, performance wise, to the dual 1.5ghz processor
Those who quote spec lists usually are not that technically literate. They have to have check lists to compare, even when the comparisons don't mean anything.
I feel like apple is headed down the same path as they did with computers. Proprietary design with no compromise for open market. Massive early adaptation only to be eclipsed by more functional and practical software and hardware after major market segments advanced beyond fad fanfare.
What? What open market? Google has a tight hand on Android, and most Android makers are low-rent box shifters -- they package all off the shelf components into a generic phone, load Android, and race to the bottom. Samsung does do a small amount of their own independent engineering. Not so much the others.
And the carriers are still in control.
And the "more functional" part is debatable.
I would like to think they have a solution for not allowing history to repeat.
But it would seem that they may even succumb to the same old demise, an operating system that allowed and even cultivated open market product development AS WELL AS STANDARDIZATION.
You can be the first in an industry... But who finishes is often so much more relevant.
Looking through the apple museum, people tout the monitor computer combo package of the 90s as being innovation or artful, but let's be honest, that this was a piece of translucent blue shit. Modularity and upgradeability ended up being far more important.
Really? the iMac is still outselling most PC marques... And the current trend towards notebooks and ultra books really shows that modularity and upgradeability are far more important... Yeah, right.
Really? That's your answer? Practicality dude...
What sort of practicality? FLASH based websites suck, FLASH performance sucks, and it is buggy. That is practical?
I've been running an iPhone since Dec 2007 (no, I did not rush out and buy one when first released -- in fact I bought a Nokia N95 a couple days before the iPhone shipped and after it had been announced)
I have not once bemoaned the lack of Flash.
And since Adobe has announced that they are discontinuing mobile Flash development, new Android phone won't have it either. Good riddance.
Is this like the firewire flop? no one cares unless everyone has it... The world of phones is not moving to the apple connector of any vintage.
What firewire flop? Firewire was very successful, is an IEEE standard, and is found on many many PCs as well as on Macs. It is supported on most high end video cameras and, before newer options became available, on almost all but the lowest end video camera. The fact that it is being eclipsed by new technologies does not make it a flop. It just makes it older technology. Get your facts straight. (And for lots of things, Firewire is better than USB which is why it is used on more Pro level equipment. For external disks it was far superior to USB and still is but the e-SATA and new technologies are better than Firewire FOR MASS STORAGE use and so has been eclipsed by those)
With regards to the Lightning connector. It allows much higher current than the USB standard allows, which allows for faster charging. It is also much more versatile due to more active pins that are configurable on the fly as to purpose. It provides a better user experience. Using the older 30pin connector never hurt Apple and neither will Lightning and it will improve the user experience.
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Belmont31R
10-11-12, 23:41
Makes me laugh. Its a ****in phone, I dont get whats the big deal. I have a $20 flip phone. Still makes phone calls and sends text messages. Can I play "angry birds" like a 6yr old, no and I am totally ok with that.
What I REALLY find hilarious is the numbnuts that camp out for days just to get a damn phone thats probably going to have some many bugs to work out it wont function.
I must admit, I hate anything I-whatever. Simply because Apple shit is loved by all skinny jean and converse wearing, hipster retards. And heaven forbid if someone go without their beloved phone! Most of these numbnuts CANT LIVE without it.....literally.
I do believe "smart" phones are lowering the IQ of the population.
The thing with a "smart phone" is you have a choice to do as little or as much as the phone can do.
I'm sure there are a lot of USAA members on here, and if you use them they don't have hardly any branches or local stuff for the vast majority of users. With the USAA app I can deposit checks, transfer funds, pay bills, and check balances very easily. For instance last year I sold a bunch of scrap gold we had, and got a check for X,XXX dollars. I went to my car, signed the check, took a couple pictures, and had the funds in my account right then.
I also enjoy up to date weather, and the ability to check radar pretty quickly.
With our new car I can stream radio with far less commercials.
With GPS I get excellent directions that is broadcast over the car speakers.
So a "smart phone" saves me from having to buy a GPS unit like a Garmin, don't have to buy and subsribe to sat radio, don't need to drive to a bank branch to do basic banking functions, and provides a shit ton of other features thats up to you to use or not. I like being out with the family, and being able to see what the weather is doing.
I must admit, I hate anything I-whatever. Simply because Apple shit is loved by all skinny jean and converse wearing, hipster retards. And heaven forbid if someone go without their beloved phone! Most of these numbnuts CANT LIVE without it.....literally.
Strange you let others wants and desires and likes shape your own.
I do my own thinking. I could care less that the skinny jean, converse wearing, hipster retards like the iPhone. I could care less that a lot of the high end tactical crowd likes the iPhone as well (I have seen a large number of the top trainers with iPhones, and lots of other "tactical scene" people). I could care less. I use it and like it because it helps me solve MY problems. It also allows me to be with my family more as I can check email, or read the news, or whatever without retiring to my office or man cave. I can take a quick peak while with the family at home, or walking around Costco, or at the baseball game. It lets me communicate with friends, customers, and business associates and partners without tying me down to an office.
Run your own life. Don't worry about what the others are doing, be they "hipsters" or "tactical" folk.
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No, it is being called technically literate and being able to get past the
dual 1.5ghz processor -- must be better than a dual 1.3ghz processor or dual 800mhz
even when the 1.3ghz processor blows rings around the 1.5ghz processor and the 800mhz processor (with iOS 6) is almost equal in most regards, performance wise, to the dual 1.5ghz processor
Those who quote spec lists usually are not that technically literate. They have to have check lists to compare, even when the comparisons don't mean anything.
i think historically speaking, apple has always touted overall performance or integrated performance as its strength by marketing ideologies like this. however what ends up happening is when the hardware is provided via a raw specification, the software engineers leverage it and that ends up being the most bottom line relevant piece of performance data.
What? What open market? Google has a tight hand on Android, and most Android makers are low-rent box shifters -- they package all off the shelf components into a generic phone, load Android, and race to the bottom. Samsung does do a small amount of their own independent engineering. Not so much the others.
open market, anyone and everyone can make apps for android. there are multiple phone manufacturers making android compatible phones. similar thing happened with apple and pcs as i already stated.
And the "more functional" part is debatable.
the fact remains much of the web uses flash and will continue to until the transition is complete. a manufacturer that for whatever ideological reasons, or an individual who for whatever personal reasons, wants to subscribe to your your way of thinking is clearly ignoring what i mean by functional. apple and yourself feel they can "get away with" ignoring flash. that's fine. i will continue to view flash with varying amounts of success (flash isn't perfect on android phones) while my friends with iphones say, aw i can't see it... i gotta get on a computer.
Really? the iMac is still outselling most PC marques... And the current trend towards notebooks and ultra books really shows that modularity and upgradeability are far more important... Yeah, right.
my original example was highlighting the 90s era of pc uprising. the landscape has now changed.
it may well be that modularity and upgradability is less important now. ask why. the reason is that the actual increases in processing power and memory has drastically slowed. software has not outstripped and made obsolete hardware capacity as it used to.
now in this new landscape... where cloud computing, distributed computing, cloud storage and centralized distribution, where is apple compared to the likes of google, amazon, and other companies?
What sort of practicality? FLASH based websites suck, FLASH performance sucks, and it is buggy. That is practical?
I've been running an iPhone since Dec 2007 (no, I did not rush out and buy one when first released -- in fact I bought a Nokia N95 a couple days before the iPhone shipped and after it had been announced)
I have not once bemoaned the lack of Flash.
And since Adobe has announced that they are discontinuing mobile Flash development, new Android phone won't have it either. Good riddance.
the kind of practicality that saves you the embarrassment and inconvenience when a piece of technology that you use is unable to do something that it should.
What firewire flop? Firewire was very successful, is an IEEE standard, and is found on many many PCs as well as on Macs. It is supported on most high end video cameras and, before newer options became available, on almost all but the lowest end video camera. The fact that it is being eclipsed by new technologies does not make it a flop. It just makes it older technology. Get your facts straight. (And for lots of things, Firewire is better than USB which is why it is used on more Pro level equipment. For external disks it was far superior to USB and still is but the e-SATA and new technologies are better than Firewire FOR MASS STORAGE use and so has been eclipsed by those)
With regards to the Lightning connector. It allows much higher current than the USB standard allows, which allows for faster charging. It is also much more versatile due to more active pins that are configurable on the fly as to purpose. It provides a better user experience. Using the older 30pin connector never hurt Apple and neither will Lightning and it will improve the user experience.
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firewire and usb competed for widespread adoption as peripheral data channel wire in the 90s. usb won. best doesn't always win. the adopted wins in the world of technology. no one cares if your wire is a million times better if no one else uses it.
until all the phones go to something other than usb, i will maintain that the apple wire a sideshow.
i think historically speaking, apple has always touted overall performance or integrated performance as its strength by marketing ideologies like this. however what ends up happening is when the hardware is provided via a raw specification, the software engineers leverage it and that ends up being the most bottom line relevant piece of performance data.
can you translate that for me please?
open market, anyone and everyone can make apps for android. there are multiple phone manufacturers making android compatible phones. similar thing happened with apple and pcs as i already stated.
Anyone and everyone can make apps for iPhone as well. Just join the developer program. Btw, that works the same way for Android. In order to publish apps on Google Play you have to agree to their distribution agreement, and pay a registration fee.
If you don't want to join the Apple developer program, you can jailbreak your iPhone and use other tools to create apps. Just like you don't have to distribute your Android apps through Google Play.
my original example was highlighting the 90s era of pc uprising. the landscape has now changed.
And my response was that the iMac has been doing just fine since 1998 when it was first released as the Bondi Blue egg (which I have one of, btw, though it has not been used in several years)
it may well be that modularity and upgradability is less important now. ask why. the reason is that the actual increases in processing power and memory has drastically slowed. software has not outstripped and made obsolete hardware capacity as it used to.
now in this new landscape... where cloud computing, distributed computing, cloud storage and centralized distribution, where is apple compared to the likes of google, amazon, and other companies?
Leading the pack. And if you don'y like iCloud, Google makes iOS apps for their cloud, as does MS, dropbox, etc. I can access them all from my iOS device and my Mac if I choose to.
firewire and usb competed for widespread adoption as peripheral data channel wire in the 90s. usb won. best doesn't always win. the adopted wins in the world of technology. no one cares if your wire is a million times better if no one else uses it.
Apples and Oranges, no pun intended. Firewire and USB were not competing as peripheral channel wire in the 90s. They were aimed at and in two different markets. For high speed attachment of peripherals, Firewire was the standard and implemented across Mac and PC and in most all video cameras except the lowest end of the low.
USB was to hook up mice, keyboards, joysticks, printers. You could hook up a disk but no one did because it was so slow as to be useless.
USB, many years later, broke into the Firewire market and started competing for the same mass storage and similar types of attachment. Gradually USB took over that market and mainly because of the change in video camera market and the rise of cheap PCs. Apple supports both. Firewire is still used in high end markets in preference to USB. But then e-SATA came along and has muscled in to that market for high speed attachment of mass storage.
It is not simple black and white.
the kind of practicality that saves you the embarrassment and inconvenience when a piece of technology that you use is unable to do something that it should.
in almost 5 years I have never bemoaned the lack of flash on my iPhone. Lack of flash on the iPhone has been good for the whole world as it is helping to kill of flash, which is resource hungry, buggy, bloated, and sucks. Everywhere, not just on mobile.
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Belmont31R
10-12-12, 21:56
Apples and Oranges, no pun intended. Firewire and USB were not competing as peripheral channel wire in the 90s. They were aimed at and in two different markets. For high speed attachment of peripherals, Firewire was the standard and implemented across Mac and PC and in most all video cameras except the lowest end of the low.
USB was to hook up mice, keyboards, joysticks, printers. You could hook up a disk but no one did because it was so slow as to be useless.
USB, many years later, broke into the Firewire market and started competing for the same mass storage and similar types of attachment. Gradually USB took over that market and mainly because of the change in video camera market and the rise of cheap PCs. Apple supports both. Firewire is still used in high end markets in preference to USB. But then e-SATA came along and has muscled in to that market for high speed attachment of mass storage.
It is not simple black and white.
There's way too many connectors and ports on the market.
There's way too many connectors and ports on the market.
If that's true, that very same market will eventually trim the numbers of connectors and ports. Consumer demand dictates everything.
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Apples and Oranges, no pun intended. Firewire and USB were not competing as peripheral channel wire in the 90s. They were aimed at and in two different markets. For high speed attachment of peripherals, Firewire was the standard and implemented across Mac and PC and in most all video cameras except the lowest end of the low.
USB was to hook up mice, keyboards, joysticks, printers. You could hook up a disk but no one did because it was so slow as to be useless.
USB, many years later, broke into the Firewire market and started competing for the same mass storage and similar types of attachment. Gradually USB took over that market and mainly because of the change in video camera market and the rise of cheap PCs. Apple supports both. Firewire is still used in high end markets in preference to USB. But then e-SATA came along and has muscled in to that market for high speed attachment of mass storage.
It is not simple black and white.
Usb won. Stop. Something that simply factual and u are tryinna glean some lame apple victory... Nothing is ever " thatsimple" but bottom line is usb is the connector and its mini and micro counterparts... Not apple connectors, not proprietary stuff that faded into obscurity.
If that's true, that very same market will eventually trim the numbers of connectors and ports. Consumer demand dictates everything.
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It's already happening. The prominence of micro usb in new phones.
in almost 5 years I have never bemoaned the lack of flash on my iPhone. Lack of flash on the iPhone has been good for the whole world as it is helping to kill of flash, which is resource hungry, buggy, bloated, and sucks. Everywhere, not just on mobile.
-I suppose I should take all ur leaded bullets cased in brass since u are in line already for caseless ammunition. Thanks in advance.
can you translate that for me please?
Producd a processor with bigger number and developers will use it. That ends up being more relevant.
Anyone and everyone can make apps for iPhone as well. Just join the developer program. Btw, that works the same way for Android. In order to publish apps on Google Play you have to agree to their distribution agreement, and pay a registration fee.
If you don't want to join the Apple developer program, you can jailbreak your iPhone and use other tools to create apps. Just like you don't have to distribute your Android apps through Google Play.
how do u join up to make an apple or ios phone? K thanks bye.
And my response was that the iMac has been doing just fine since 1998 when it was first released as the Bondi Blue egg (which I have one of, btw, though it has not been used in several years)
Already addressed the translucent blue piece of shit.
Leading the pack. And if you don'y like iCloud, Google makes iOS apps for their cloud, as does MS, dropbox, etc. I can access them all from my iOS device and my Mac if I choose to.
Leading??? How about trailing? Google has been on cloud tech since gmail, the original cloud storage space. They foresaw that giving people unlimited space in email would empower ur average user with the ability to form their own online data base of all recorded conversations, needed information etc. Integrating all the needed functions of life into one Google product.
Amazon has been distributing books, merchandise, ebooks, mp3, data, movies etc. Via cloud and centralized distribution for forever. Most companies use amazons architecture and pay for it.
U think storing ur mp3s on itunes and backing up pics is leading the pack? Srsly?? There's WiFi SD cards that back up to a cloud drive whenever ur near a router... U think gettin ur phone to synchronize data is a big deal?? I'm sorry but this is pretty lame.
This thread is quite a bit more amusing than most Apple vs everyone else arguments one sees online. I've been seeing them since 1984. All the same style and functionality put-downs, the same anger from the anti-Apple group...
Here we are 28 years later, and Apple is the most valuable corporation in the world. Ever think that maybe you might be a little bit out of step in your anger? Pick your platform, pick your phone, buy it, enjoy it. If it doesn't meet your needs, buy a different one. But really, all this emotion over a computer company?
This thread is quite a bit more amusing than most Apple vs everyone else arguments one sees online. I've been seeing them since 1984. All the same style and functionality put-downs, the same anger from the anti-Apple group...
Here we are 28 years later, and Apple is the most valuable corporation in the world. Ever think that maybe you might be a little bit out of step in your anger? Pick your platform, pick your phone, buy it, enjoy it. If it doesn't meet your needs, buy a different one. But really, all this emotion over a computer company?
Why is apple the most valuable company in the world right now? It Is because they pioneered and then rode the wave of modern smart phones and mobile devices. It may not be any different than their pioneering of pc ownership and that wave in the 80s and earlier, but the pc wave ended and apple was not at the top.
like I said before, pioneering something doesn't mean u stay the industry standard for the duration of that technology. Victory is fleeting. Does apple have a strategy to stay dominant in the mobile world or will they give up market share to what they have succumb to before?
It may very well be the business model of apple to pioneer things repeatedly and not seek to be the enduring presence in any one piece of tech. It has worked for them with mobile launching them to new heights. I, as an American, want to see them do well, but I also admit I'm wary of of proprietary stuff, as I should be as a frugal consumer.
There are very few times where its worth it to consolidate all equipment under the umbrella of one brand, the only thing I can think of is that all my handguns are Glocks. Otherwise I mix and match what is needed at the right price point. Debteably, thats what Glock satisfies for handguns for me, but that situation is rare.
Well, you can only hope that all of that turns out to be true, I guess. As for me, I don't really care. I admire Apple and appreciate their products, but if and when they stop making products that don't meet my needs or expectations, I have no problem looking around for something else that is (presumably) better. Just like Glocks. When they stopped making reliable handguns, I left the brand.
how do u join up to make an apple or ios phone? K thanks bye.
How do you sign up to make a Glock? Or a BMW?
Oh, you can't. Its a proprietary design.
Already addressed the translucent blue piece of shit.
Not very well, then, since what you said did not make sense.
Leading???
yep, leading.
btw, there can be multiple leading firms. iCloud has strengths just like Google and Amazon have strengths. iCloud has a strength of being a leading integrated and seamless solution that just works.
How about trailing? Google has been on cloud tech since gmail, the original cloud storage space. They foresaw that giving people unlimited space in email would empower ur average user with the ability to form their own online data base of all recorded conversations, needed information etc. Integrating all the needed functions of life into one Google product.
Amazon has been distributing books, merchandise, ebooks, mp3, data, movies etc. Via cloud and centralized distribution for forever. Most companies use amazons architecture and pay for it.
U think storing ur mp3s on itunes and backing up pics is leading the pack? Srsly?? There's WiFi SD cards that back up to a cloud drive whenever ur near a router... U think gettin ur phone to synchronize data is a big deal?? I'm sorry but this is pretty lame.
I wish you could learn to type and spell and use proper grammar. Your writing is hard to understand.
How do you sign up to make a Glock? Or a BMW?
Oh, you can't. Its a proprietary design.
Tell me you're not actually this dumb. I get SO sick of your idiotic 5th grade arguments that prove you have ZERO idea what you're talking about.
We're not comparing Apple to Glock or BMW we're comparing it to Android phones. He said Android was open source as in anyone can make an Android device and they ENCOURAGE being open as it stimulates innovation.
yep, leading.
btw, there can be multiple leading firms. iCloud has strengths just like Google and Amazon have strengths. iCloud has a strength of being a leading integrated and seamless solution that just works.
Leading my ass. You have what, iCloud?
Google has:
Music
Drive
Gmail
Picasa
Google+
Print Cloud
....many others
I can go on but there's no need at all. You get what, 5GB for free with iCloud? Whooptie doo! Music alone allows for 100GB worth of music files and you don't need to prove how you paid. You can access all of your music files and playlists from an app on your Android phone that is baked in or ANY browser from the internet. Pretty awesome to have that kind of flexibility. Picasa/Google+ allows for unlimited image storage so you can have all your pictures attached to your Google account accessible from any phone or computer. They're hosted online so you can share them via url on websites or whatever. You can automatically upload pictures and video taken from your camera or do it manually. Drive allows for storage of all your other files... PDF, Word... whatever. Between those you can have and store any and all files you may have and it's all seemless with Android. Oh... and it's FREE! If I lose my Android phone I go buy a new one and sign into my Google account. There's all my emails with all my attachments, all my contacts and all my other files. NOTHING IS LOST. I don't pay a dime for it either. Apple is the leader. That's hilarious. You need to get out more. On top of that ALL android phones use the industry standard which is microUSB. That means that ALL of my accessories always work across the board. Motorola, HTC, LG... whatever. They just work. I also don't need 64gb of onboard storage either because the majority of my info is all stored online on Google's free cloud storage. Yeah, iCloud rules! lol
I wish you could learn to type and spell and use proper grammar. Your writing is hard to understand.
Typical idiot who has been proven wrong countless times and no longer has a leg to stand on. I produce a whole list of things that Apple missed the ball on and you addressed one and even that was inaccurate. Why argue? Why not just enjoy your device? It clearly works for you so why do you feel the need to spout inaccuracies and start arguments over something you don't even fully understand.
SWATcop556
10-13-12, 14:39
Disagree all you want but the next personal insult over a phone gets an infraction.
Knock it off.
I believe there are companies that make every replacement part for a Glock, including the serialized frame. In that sense, I would say Glock is winning. Despite it having problems, it wins because it has such a massive following and is open enough about its business practices that it allows this level of market adoption.
Apple doesn't really subscribe to this. They have massive market adoption for the moment. But again, will thy continue practices that have lost them market share in the past. U still have not addressed this.
Tell me you're not actually this dumb. I get SO sick of your idiotic 5th grade arguments that prove you have ZERO idea what you're talking about.
I know exactly what I am talking about.
I am still waiting for your list of new technological achievements Apple should have put into the iPhone. You have only given an irrelevant list of Android features that you like, none of which are technically difficult.
My response showed the stupidity of the argument. The argument was made that Apple was inferior because it is not part of an "open market." (Last I looked, it is part of an open market -- lots of companies make cell phones/smartphones).
For those people who cam understand what we were actually talking about, my reply makes perfect sense. Every company makes proprietary stuff. Glock and BMW are perfect examples. We don't criticize them because only Glock makes Glocks and BMW makes BMW. But we can criticize Apple for only Apple making iOS and OS X.
Really a stupid argument to expect companies to not come up with original ideas and innovation. Except when it comes to Apple.
And in fact, Android is not really more open -- it is controlled by Google and you have to toe the line if you want any support, Google apps, etc. There may be a few more box shifters making Android phones, but Google is ultimately in control.
We're not comparing Apple to Glock or BMW we're comparing it to Android phones.
We were talking about so-called "open" compared to "proprietary" and I was make the observation that most things in life, including good things, are proprietary.
He said Android was open source as in anyone can make an Android device and they ENCOURAGE being open as it stimulates innovation.
Android is kind of open source. Google controls it, controls who has access to it, and eventually opens it up. But not all of it. Significant parts are kept closed and licensed (and I am not talking about the Google apps). The Android bits that you can download from Google are not enough to make a phone with. You have to license the low level phone stuff from Google or come up with your own replacements.
And Google controls what you can do with it. Did you read the story recently about the Chinese company that was going to make phones for this "new" OS that some Chinese search engine came up with? I believe it was ASUS but that is from memory. Google shut them down, claiming that this new "OS" was a derivative of Android and since it was not "approved", ASUS could not make phones for it without losing their Android approved status. Really open.
And exactly how have the Android parasites spurred innovation in Android. Pretty much every major feature I am aware of came from Google. Since Google controls it in closed-source fashion until it is ready to be released, it is not getting all sorts of put-backs from the "community". Google is making it and releasing it and then sharing it with people. I won't say there is no put-back, but all them major stuff comes from Google.
As you like to say, innovation "my ass" (due to being some sort of so-called "open source").
Leading my ass. You have what, iCloud?
I don't think you read what I wrote at all. Go back and read what I wrote.
And, Apple has analogs for almost every service offering you list for Google below. iCloud encompasses music, storage, collaboration, email, photo sharing and streaming, etc.
But that is not what I was talking about or said.
Google has:
Music
Drive
Gmail
Picasa
Google+
Print Cloud
....many others
I can go on but there's no need at all. You get what, 5GB for free with iCloud? Whooptie doo! Music alone allows for 100GB worth of music files and you don't need to prove how you paid.
You obviously have no clue how the iCloud music system works. You don't have to prove how you paid with the iTunes in the cloud either? You subscribe to the service, and it matches everything you have, no matter where it came from, to the iTunes stuff and lets you have access to the iTunes copies. It could be 10GB worth or 1TB worth. Does not matter. If iTunes cannot match something in your library to their library, they upload it. There may be some sort of storage limit, but I could not find it in their FAQ, but it is not against the 5GB free you get with your iCloud account or the greater storage if you pay. And Apple has been selling and organizing music a lot longer than Google has using cloud technologies (since trinydex talked about Amazon selling MP3s using cloud technology)
You can access all of your music files and playlists from an app on your Android phone that is baked in or ANY browser from the internet. Pretty awesome to have that kind of flexibility. Picasa/Google+ allows for unlimited image storage so you can have all your pictures attached to your Google account accessible from any phone or computer. They're hosted online so you can share them via url on websites or whatever. You can automatically upload pictures and video taken from your camera or do it manually. Drive allows for storage of all your other files... PDF, Word... whatever. Between those you can have and store any and all files you may have and it's all seemless with Android. Oh... and it's FREE! If I lose my Android phone I go buy a new one and sign into my Google account. There's all my emails with all my attachments, all my contacts and all my other files. NOTHING IS LOST.
I don't lose any of my email if my iPhone gets lost either. What's your point?
I don't pay a dime for it either. Apple is the leader. That's hilarious.
Again, you fail in reading comprehension. Go back and read what I said.
You need to get out more.
I get out plenty (except shooting, could do that more).
On top of that ALL android phones use the industry standard which is microUSB.
That means that ALL of my accessories always work across the board. Motorola, HTC, LG... whatever. They just work.
Except the current draw over USB is low so your phone charges more slowly, and there are not as many different kinds of pins and things you can do over them so your range of accessories is much lower -- you can do less with USB.
Instead of sticking with the lowest common denominator, Apple made another decision -- use technology to make the life of the user better. Faster charging phones. More versatile accessories that can do more sorts of things. It is a trade off.
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I also don't need 64gb of onboard storage either because the majority of my info is all stored online on Google's free cloud storage. Yeah, iCloud rules! lol
What? Why were you claiming that your microSD card slot was so great? You just said you don't need it.
You don't need 64GB on the iPhone either. They sell anywhere from 8GB up to 64GB phones. They give you choice. The main line phones are 16Gb to 64GB. Whatever you feel you need. You also have the cloud to store your data and minimize your on-device storage if you want.
I can say the exact same thing as you. I don't really use iCloud, but if I did, the same could be said -- most info is stored online. Music, photos, documents, etc. All stored online. And if I want to use MS or Google cloud services, I can do that to. They support iOS as well. So I have a choice. Or dropbox, or whatever.
Typical idiot who has been proven wrong countless times and no longer has a leg to stand on.
Really? I am still waiting to be proven wrong. And I am still waiting for all the technological achievements you claimed Apple missed sticking in iOS 6 and the iPhone 5.
Your pitiful list was old, outdated, and irrelevant and most importantly, personal preference.
To put it in other words, your claims of Android superiority were not based on objective facts, but your own personal preferences for features.
I produce a whole list of things that Apple missed the ball on and you addressed one and even that was inaccurate.
I only addressed one? And I was inaccurate? LOL
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My gut is hurting I am laughing so much.
Why argue? Why not just enjoy your device? It clearly works for you so why do you feel the need to spout inaccuracies and start arguments over something you don't even fully understand.
Yes, why argue? Who was the one who came INTO an iPhone only topic? And started arguing?
I DID NOT COME INTO AN IPHONE DISCUSSION AND START STIRRING THE SH*T. I DO NOT GO LOOKING FOR ANDROID DISCUSSIONS AND START THROWING SH*T. YOU DID JUST THAT. WHO NEEDS TO GET A LIFE?
I only come in and correct inaccurate claims made by Android fanbois who like to go around butting their heads into iPhone/iOS discussions and throwing sh*t at iOS users and devices.
You made all sorts of inaccurate claims and have failed to back them up. I backed up my claims of Android being highly inefficient and lacking performance. You have not backed up your claims. Next time you want to butt your head into an iPhone discussion and change it to an Android discussion, think twice, and then if you still do it, at least have an argument to make with facts to back it up.
I have repeatedly said that I have no problems with Android for those people who like Android and its feature set, its strengths and weaknesses. I don't go around putting them down. And I don't go looking to stir up the sh*t with them. I do rise to the occasion if they throw the gauntlet down and in their infinite fanboi-ism make all sorts of stupid claims that are wildly inaccurate (and putting their personal preferences on the same level as objective fact)
Android has some nice features. iOS has some nice features. While they do nothing for me, being hugely oversized and lacking in usability, some of the Android phones show some good engineering and interesting feature sets. Android has some good and interesting features. The market is a better place because of the competition. WP8 should make things interesting. MS has actually rethought the smartphone interface and brought interesting ideas to the market. Hopefully that spurs competition as well.
(and for the record, I have predicted [in other places] that in 5 years or so, the two major real smartphone systems will be iOS and WP. For real "high end" smartphones. Android will be the leader in low end smartphones -- the ones that today are replacing feature phones. Android will be the new feature phone system. There are lots of reasons for this, and it will take some time, but that is how I see it playing out in 5+ years from now. If you want to discuss it, start a new thread).
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I believe there are companies that make every replacement part for a Glock, including the serialized frame. In that sense, I would say Glock is winning. Despite it having problems, it wins because it has such a massive following and is open enough about its business practices that it allows this level of market adoption.
Apple doesn't really subscribe to this. They have massive market adoption for the moment. But again, will thy continue practices that have lost them market share in the past. U still have not addressed this.
Apple does it as much as Glock does it. Do you think Glock allows it or tolerates it?
I would say it is mostly toleration because they cannot do anything legally to stop it. But they would if they could. ANd they have tried. You can Google Glock and their lawsuits.
As long as you are not making Apple product clones, Apple tolerates jail breaking, Hackintosh, etc. You can make replacement parts for almost everything in a Mac as well. And you can get OS X to run on most modern PCs with a little work (most of which has been done for you and for which there are downloadable utilities).
Belmont31R
10-13-12, 19:38
If that's true, that very same market will eventually trim the numbers of connectors and ports. Consumer demand dictates everything.
iPhone/Tapatalk
Kinda 50/50. Just depends on when you buy, and who you buy from. A good reason to build your own pc. No firewire here or stupid one of drive bays.
No firewire here
I find that interesting. Up until recently, almost all mid and higher end PC motherboards had an IEEE1394a (or a/b) header or headers on them. More recently you are finding more and more boards without them.
I just checked NewEgg. Approximately 20% (non scientific*) of their LGA1155 boards they sell have an IEEE1394a header on them. Predominantly in the higher price range / higher spec boards.
At least on higher end PC MB today (in terms of white box or build your own), IEEE1394 is still pretty common. You'll see it less and less as it is older technology and is being replaced by Thunderbolt (Mac AND PC) and for disks and stuff, e-SATA and on the low end USB3.
IEEE1394a is the standard name for what Apple calls Firewire and Sony calls i.Link.
*I took the number of LGA1155 boards (Core iN type boards) total and that showed in a search for IEEE1394 feature on those boards and it was about 20% and then I looked at the prices of the boards that showed IEEE1394 and it was mostly $129/149 up to $2xx/$3xx boards, with only a very few below that range.
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Yes, why argue? Who was the one who came INTO an iPhone only topic? And started arguing?
I challenge you to find in my first post where I was argumentative. I wasn't. You felt your precious Apple wasn't being idolized and chose to come at me. Read my post and your response again.
I challenge you to find in my first post where I was argumentative. I wasn't. You felt your precious Apple wasn't being idolized and chose to come at me. Read my post and your response again.
Jeeez bud. Give it a rest. Your tone is offensive. For the sake of the rest of us who don't care about the Apple/Droid pissing contest that means so much to you, how about you two take this offline?
Jeeez bud. Give it a rest. Your tone is offensive. For the sake of the rest of us who don't care about the Apple/Droid pissing contest that means so much to you, how about you two take this offline?
1) I'm not your bud. 2) I didn't ask you anything so you can ignore my post. 3) My tone is offensive? We in middle school again? 4) Since you felt the need to include yourself into a question that wasn't directed at you I'll grant your wish... tell me specifically where I was argumentative in my first post to this thread. 5) Your very post serves to prolong the conversation you say people don't care about. I asked one person a VERY simply question and was awaiting his response. Your post was not necessary.
1) I'm not your bud. 2) I didn't ask you anything so you can ignore my post. 3) My tone is offensive? We in middle school again? 4) Since you felt the need to include yourself into a question that wasn't directed at you I'll grant your wish... tell me specifically where I was argumentative in my first post to this thread. 5) Your very post serves to prolong the conversation you say people don't care about. I asked one person a VERY simply question and was awaiting his response. Your post was not necessary.
:rolleyes:
I challenge you to find in my first post where I was argumentative. I wasn't. You felt your precious Apple wasn't being idolized and chose to come at me. Read my post and your response again.
Your very first one. This was a thread about the iPhone and someone who had just upgraded stating their experience and wanted to know what apps were interesting.
It had nothing to do with iPhone 5, Android, or any of the other stuff you brought to it. You expect to not be challenged when you come in and throw down the gauntlet?
I'm not your typical fanboi
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The new iPhone really isn't want it should or could be. There were a lot of technical features that were left out and IMO they missed the mark with this one. Not only would I not upgrade from a 4s if I had one but I'm bummed that Apple kind of sent out a larger displayed 4s as 'all new' because it means that a few of the Android based phones that are already on the market (HTC One X & Samsung Galaxy S3 for instance) have the edge and the forthcoming phones (LG Optimus S for instance) will offer a significant improvement.
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Just an independent observation from a neutral but non-Apple user who likes his technology.
So you claim to not be your average Android fanboi, then you act just like one, and try and hijack the thread to be a discussion on the iPhone 5 and Android.
And you do it with falsehoods.
How is that not inviting an argument?
My response was not any more argumentative. I just stated my opinion, based on objective fact (like benchmarks etc).
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This was a thread about the iPhone and someone who had just upgraded stating their experience and wanted to know what apps were interesting. --
This is what the thread should have been, and how it began.
Maybe the Droid fans can piss off and start their own thread?
k thanx bye. :suicide:
iPhone/Tapatalk
This is what the thread should have been, and how it began.
Maybe the Droid fans can piss off and start their own thread?
Now that's a thought...
New rule for this thread: It's for Iphone "fanboys" only and (generally) satisfied users of Iphones.
Discussion of all other phones, start your own thread and bash Apple/Iphone 'till your heart is content.
OK? Back to our regular scheduled programing.
Your very first one. This was a thread about the iPhone and someone who had just upgraded stating their experience and wanted to know what apps were interesting.
It had nothing to do with iPhone 5, Android, or any of the other stuff you brought to it. You expect to not be challenged when you come in and throw down the gauntlet?
So you claim to not be your average Android fanboi, then you act just like one, and try and hijack the thread to be a discussion on the iPhone 5 and Android.
And you do it with falsehoods.
How is that not inviting an argument?
My response was not any more argumentative. I just stated my opinion, based on objective fact (like benchmarks etc).
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Throw down the gauntlet? Is that what I did? You sure have some thin skin if you took ANYTHING I said in my first post as throwing down the gauntlet.
This thread was ONLY about apps? Hmm... that's funny because the title of the thread is 'iPhone discussion' and here is the very first sentence of the first post of this thread: 'I went from the 4 to a 4S as the 5 seemed more like a 4S with a larger screen, at least in terms of my needs/uses. The 4S seems superior to the 4 in most ways, but was a PITA when syncing from Itunes compared to the 4 I will say.'
That seems to me like he's kind of saying exactly what I said but I was more specific. Why doesn't he get attacked? Because he still own an iPhone regardless on his thoughts of the iPhone 5?
At NO point was I argumentative in my fist post. Even in the part you copied and pasted I used words like:
"IMO" (this means In My Opinion.. you know, as in this is what my opinion is)
"I'm bummed" (really? ...I'm bummed that the Apple phone didn't have a few more features is throwing down the gauntlet? Yeah, that's pretty strong words alright. lol)
"Just an independent observation from a neutral but non-Apple user who likes his technology." (I think this is what you took issue with. The fact that I admit I'm not a current iPhone user. How DARE I not use iPhones!)
Wow... I do come off as argumentative and I see where my tone is offensive. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I don't see how you guys get through life if something as innocent as my first post rubs you that wrong.
Still waiting to see where I was argumentative in my first post since chadbag claims this is what sparked the entire debate.
no matter what forum I am on if a apple thread starts apple haters come in and start ranting stuff ?
what I find ironic is often they dont own the product in discussion ? but sure have a lot to say about it :) hahahaa
sadly its the way it is :)
kinda like someone talking about Noveske in a Noveske thread and then a bushmaster lover comes in and says how over priced crap Noveske is and its all the same stuff cause his local gun shop said so !!!!! then you mention KAC and they say even more over priced crap that is not worth it !
I worked for HP for 3 short years as a technical trainer basically for imaging and printing
this was back in the 90s :)
I had a Apple Newton :) hahahahah I used to drive the guys mad at HP so the Jornado division kept giving me the Jornados to use and I kept trying to show them why the newton which was ahead of its time would evenutaly win !
when we worked on tablets I again said it wont ever make it you are trying to make a light notebook you have to think way out of the box and they never did funny how PC companies tried for years to get tablets off the ground never could !!!
fact is apple changed the way we interacted with computers by bringing the mouse out to the public ! and by bringing GUI front and center and burying the code behind it all !
they changed the music industry and the delivery of music
they have changed the cell phone industry
they brought the tablet industry forward where it never was !
and if they have their way they will change the movie industry which was already in the works of changing anyway ? mostly do to watching how apple changed the music industry so more credit goes to Netflix for changing the movie delivery industry
and funny apple haters will disagree with all those :)
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when we worked on tablets I again said it wont ever make it you are trying to make a light notebook you have to think way out of the box and they never did funny how PC companies tried for years to get tablets off the ground never could !!!
are there not things that apple tried to get off the ground while failing that pcs did also and succeeded?
but the more important question is why did the ipad take off? it was an important intersection of several key things that had little to do with ipads. i'm not saying that apple didn't take a risk by launching a product that was seen tanked previously. i'm not saying that it wasn't a leap, it was. but let's analyze why.
i would contend firstly, wifi. wireless internet was not as capable back when pcs attempted tablets.
mobile devices becoming commonplace. the fact that phones have become so capable and so prevalent pretty much primed the market for what is essentially a bigger version of a modern phone. the fact that it is just about possible to completely substitute a computer with a mobile device like a phone made it very appealing to add a device to a family's tech collection that would fill the spot between a phone and a laptop. surely a modern tablet can't do all the things a laptop can, but it's also way handier. the ipad doesn't just mark a success by apple, but of the tablet industry across the board (i'm sure some in the industry are breathing a sigh of relief and saying "finally").
the support surrounding mobile devices. apps, books, ereader software, music, certain web 2.0 websites like youtube forums, picture sites etc etc etc. these are all products that were originally perfectly applicable to smaller mobile devices but were just as good or better on a tablet. some apps may have been made for tablets only after the advent of the successful modern tablet, but the fact that these apps could double in application to a cellphone made them worth creating and slightly less risky since the overall market was larger.
apple did the right thing at the right time. others followed suit after they saw it was safe to take the plunge. and the offerings haven't been shabby from the other contenders. i like that apple makes new economies and new markets. this is called job creation. this is called real american ingenuity. but once again, i wonder if they will do the same thing they've done before. innovate, then get moved aside in the market place by forces that are more open market friendly etc.
fact is apple changed the way we interacted with computers by bringing the mouse out to the public ! and by bringing GUI front and center and burying the code behind it all !
this was great. then came the two button mouse... then came the 9 button mouse with scroll wheel. apple... what happened? like i said before, i don't knock apple for innovating. i knock them for sticking to their guns so hard that they don't evolve. apple people will say they don't need to, but that's a matter of perspective. i think the 2 button or 5 button mouse is much more effective, much more useful. from a utilitarian perspective, it's better. will an apple fan deny this? that one button is all you need? you don't need anymore than that? i call bs on that view.
they changed the music industry and the delivery of music
to be fair, they borrowed this from amazon.com and their long tail theory. amazon was the first to centralize distribution and leverage the internet to create a centralized purchasing portal in order to cut out storefront overhead costs and make one of the winningest business models ever to hit capitalism. doing this with books allowed the retention of unlimited spectrum of stock that was previously impossible with decentralized distribution. itunes did the same thing with music and digital distribution and storage, using the exact same model.
they have changed the cell phone industry
they brought the tablet industry forward where it never was !
and if they have their way they will change the movie industry which was already in the works of changing anyway ? mostly do to watching how apple changed the music industry so more credit goes to Netflix for changing the movie delivery industry
netflix uses amazon's technology to distribute their content. they use amazon's business model also.
and funny apple haters will disagree with all those :)
i am only a hater because apple doesn't always evolve the way i think they should and then people keep trying to insist that their product is superior. fanbois will give apple credit for things that i think are dubious and ignore my perspectives that i point out without any rebuttal.
please do help me understand how the lack of evolution is superior. i won't deny that up until the 4s, apple was trying hard to evolve and keep ahead of the game. this is probably unsustainable to some degree. in my opinion, the 5 was a large disappointment as far as leaps go and doesn't warrant very much credit based on its merits. but for some reason there's at least one in here that's raving about it...
when the 4s came out i couldn't stop hearing about the damn thing. it was good! it was a good leap forward. it worked well. the 5... i haven't heard much... except from chadbag...
Belmont31R
10-14-12, 22:01
I find that interesting. Up until recently, almost all mid and higher end PC motherboards had an IEEE1394a (or a/b) header or headers on them. More recently you are finding more and more boards without them.
I just checked NewEgg. Approximately 20% (non scientific*) of their LGA1155 boards they sell have an IEEE1394a header on them. Predominantly in the higher price range / higher spec boards.
At least on higher end PC MB today (in terms of white box or build your own), IEEE1394 is still pretty common. You'll see it less and less as it is older technology and is being replaced by Thunderbolt (Mac AND PC) and for disks and stuff, e-SATA and on the low end USB3.
IEEE1394a is the standard name for what Apple calls Firewire and Sony calls i.Link.
*I took the number of LGA1155 boards (Core iN type boards) total and that showed in a search for IEEE1394 feature on those boards and it was about 20% and then I looked at the prices of the boards that showed IEEE1394 and it was mostly $129/149 up to $2xx/$3xx boards, with only a very few below that range.
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I got the ASUS Maximus V Extreme 1155 socket with the 3770k CPU...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131858
what I find ironic is often they dont own the product in discussion ? but sure have a lot to say about it :) hahahaa
It's just like the kids back in high school that wore " N'Suck" T-shirts around.
iPhone/Tapatalk
There will be plenty of innovation pouring out of this behemoth once it's finished. It's bigger than the pentagon. Every American can be proud of this
https://s3.amazonaws.com/apple-campus2-project/Rendering_Submittal_4.pdf
iPhone/Tapatalk
Belmont31R
10-14-12, 22:13
no matter what forum I am on if a apple thread starts apple haters come in and start ranting stuff ?
what I find ironic is often they dont own the product in discussion ? but sure have a lot to say about it :) hahahaa
sadly its the way it is :)
kinda like someone talking about Noveske in a Noveske thread and then a bushmaster lover comes in and says how over priced crap Noveske is and its all the same stuff cause his local gun shop said so !!!!! then you mention KAC and they say even more over priced crap that is not worth it !
I don't consider myself an apple hater, and have used 3 generations of Iphone plus ipods and shit like that.
What a lot of Apple fans don't realize is they use the same hardware as PC's, and if you buy anything but the base model they ass rape you on upgrades. Things like RAM, CPU's, hard drives, ect. No reason a 8GB ram upgrade should cost several hundred dollars when you can go buy Corsair Vengeance 16GB laptop memory for under 100 bucks. Not to mention the now lower level stuff like 8GB kits.
My computer came with connectors that would run 30-50 bucks which Apple doesn't include.
What Apple is GOOD at is form factor, and I doubt the Samsung PC Im posting from would have been made without Apple going to Al unibody chassis. In the past Ive had a few other laptops and my wife has gone through a few. They were fragile and made with cheap glossy plastic and didn't seem to have the durability. The Ai chassis' with SSD and the "ultrabook" form factor is both an Apple and Intel push which is great. Lots of PC's out there now from Lenovo, Asus, Samsgung, Toshiba, ect.
I find that interesting. Up until recently, almost all mid and higher end PC motherboards had an IEEE1394a (or a/b) header or headers on them. More recently you are finding more and more boards without them.
I just checked NewEgg. Approximately 20% (non scientific*) of their LGA1155 boards they sell have an IEEE1394a header on them. Predominantly in the higher price range / higher spec boards.
At least on higher end PC MB today (in terms of white box or build your own), IEEE1394 is still pretty common. You'll see it less and less as it is older technology and is being replaced by Thunderbolt (Mac AND PC) and for disks and stuff, e-SATA and on the low end USB3.
IEEE1394a is the standard name for what Apple calls Firewire and Sony calls i.Link.
*I took the number of LGA1155 boards (Core iN type boards) total and that showed in a search for IEEE1394 feature on those boards and it was about 20% and then I looked at the prices of the boards that showed IEEE1394 and it was mostly $129/149 up to $2xx/$3xx boards, with only a very few below that range.
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is there a single motherboard without usb?
please do help me understand how the lack of evolution is superior. i won't deny that up until the 4s, apple was trying hard to evolve and keep ahead of the game. this is probably unsustainable to some degree. in my opinion, the 5 was a large disappointment as far as leaps go and doesn't warrant very much credit based on its merits. but for some reason there's at least one in here that's raving about it...
when the 4s came out i couldn't stop hearing about the damn thing. it was good! it was a good leap forward. it worked well. the 5... i haven't heard much... except from chadbag...
I think you miss the whole point of Apple. They are not about the latest whiz bang feature. They are about iterating over the technology in order to improve the user experience (UX). To make the thing more handy to use, easier to use, more like an extension of the person instead of some fancy gadget. This is why the iPhone 5 is such a leap forward (and no, I don't have an iPhone 5 yet and it will probably be a while since I have to finish a project and get paid before I can fund one). They worked really hard at innovating the inside of the thing to make it better. The innovations of the A6 processor (hand laid out -- no one does that any more but it allows them to optimize things and get better performance) are huge, but unheralded since it is not a flashy whiz-bang feature. AnandTech did an article on it btw which is interesting. Biut it allowed them to reduce the energy needed per WHIZBANGCYCLE of performance so that they could lighten the phone to make it handier. And the fit and finish are so far above any other phone which makes the thing more pleasant to use. There are lots of other examples of what they put into the phone's innards to make it a much better phone.
And there are lots of articles out there by people who sing the praise of the iPhone 5, and many of them are from doubters, some of whom had blasted the iPhone 5 when it first came out but after using one for a month, had a much different song to sing. (I posted a link from one such person in this or another iPhone 5 thread, for example).
Apple is not about a new list of features in every iteration of the product. Apple does not subscribe to the "spec-list" theory of designing and marketing products, nor to the "feature-itus" theory of designing and marketing products. They hold to the "user experience" and "tool to get things done" theory of designing and marketing products, which means that a lot of products are iterated over several generations to improve how they work, including improving the innards to provide a better experience (through less energy use, or better ergonomics, or whatever). Sometimes new features find their way into this process. But it is a different way of developing and marketing products than the "geeks" can appreciate. And lots of the technological advances happen on the inside, where they are not immediately noticeable. (like improved battery use, better processors, etc)
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is there a single motherboard without usb?
Irrelevant question. USB and Firewire only tangentially overlapped.
You will notice that Apple Mac computers with firewire ALSO ALL have/had USB ports.
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Throw down the gauntlet? Is that what I did? You sure have some thin skin if you took ANYTHING I said in my first post as throwing down the gauntlet.
No, it is very obvious.
This thread was ONLY about apps? Hmm... that's funny because the title of the thread is 'iPhone discussion'
You've been around here long enough, and using the internet long enough, to know that a thread "TITLE" is mostly irrelevant. What is relevant is the .0 post in the thread. The original poster's start-off posting that tells us why the thread was created, what his intent was and his questions and or statements are. It sets the tone of the discussion.
Nothing in the .0 of this thread points to a discussion about Android ANYTHING nor to a general comment or gripe fest about the iPhone 5. It is about his experience in upgrading from an iPhone 4 to a 4S (he did mention he did not feel the need to upgrade to the 5 but that is not license to start talking about the 5 in general) and he asked about what apps people were using on their iPhones.
Your post had nothing to do with this thread. If that is not throwing down a gauntlet, I don't know what is.
and here is the very first sentence of the first post of this thread: 'I went from the 4 to a 4S as the 5 seemed more like a 4S with a larger screen, at least in terms of my needs/uses. The 4S seems superior to the 4 in most ways, but was a PITA when syncing from Itunes compared to the 4 I will say.'
That seems to me like he's kind of saying exactly what I said but I was more specific. Why doesn't he get attacked? Because he still own an iPhone regardless on his thoughts of the iPhone 5?
No, he is the OP and can talk about whatever he wants, and he was not complaining about the iPhone 5 but rather giving his rational on why he chose to go the route he did. I asked him a question and he clarified when it came to the "iTunes" experience. All nice and good.
It has nothing to do with him getting a pass because he still has an iPhone.
Belmont13R posted a thread on his switch from iPhone to Galaxy S III. I did not give him crap there about switching. I respected it. I did try and correct what I thought was misinformation in the thread, but I respected his choice. I personally don't give a crap what phone people use. But I do give a crap about misinformation and BS.
At NO point was I argumentative in my fist post. Even in the part you copied and pasted I used words like:
"IMO" (this means In My Opinion.. you know, as in this is what my opinion is)
"I'm bummed" (really? ...I'm bummed that the Apple phone didn't have a few more features is throwing down the gauntlet? Yeah, that's pretty strong words alright. lol)
"Just an independent observation from a neutral but non-Apple user who likes his technology." (I think this is what you took issue with. The fact that I admit I'm not a current iPhone user. How DARE I not use iPhones!)
Wow... I do come off as argumentative and I see where my tone is offensive. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I don't see how you guys get through life if something as innocent as my first post rubs you that wrong.
Still waiting to see where I was argumentative in my first post since chadbag claims this is what sparked the entire debate.
The whole post was inappropriate to the topic and was made in a way that obviously came across as a challenge. You spouting off your opinion and making claims about the iPhone 5 which are not true, in a thread that was not appropriate to that sort of post.
What do you expect to happen when you barge into someone else's thread on their iPhone and start disparaging things (with incorrect info) and pimping Android? :rolleyes::roll eyes:
If you want to pimp Android and make fun of Apple and the iPhone 5, do it in your own thread, not in someone else's thread about iPhone apps.
Will's last line in his post set the tone of the thread:
I know, I'm a boring guy What's your "must have" apps?
No where there do I see any invitation to pimp Android are make false statements about the iPhone 5.
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I got the ASUS Maximus V Extreme 1155 socket with the 3770k CPU...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131858
Nice! It is amazing what they pack into a MB now-a-days and how price
competitive they are compared to their forebears.
Most of my PC building in the last 10 years has been server side [most recently I bought an el-cheapo Gigabyte motherboard and intel pentium (basically toned down Core i3) for a home file server using Solaris and ZFS]. I have a stack of older MB here that are spares for my servers. Now that I have virtualized everything I used to run servers for, it is excess.
I've priced out some PCs in the last year, most recently about 4-6 weeks ago. Goal is a Hackintosh to supplement / replace my Mac Pro. But in the end, FOR ME, it just does not seem cost effective for what I am doing, and the rumor of a Mac Pro replacement that is kick butt (for the market that the Mac Pro is aimed at).
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No, it is very obvious.
Indeed it was as i and others in the thread can attest to and have commented on it.
The original poster's start-off posting that tells us why the thread was created, what his intent was and his questions and or statements are.
And as the OP, let me be very clear at no time was my intent or interest to hear why the 5 was a loser, etc, etc. and how Apple screwed up, and so forth. Was not the intent nor the spirit of the post, and frankly, don't give a fu&% about IPhone 5 vs other brands at this time.
I have had the 4, now have the 4S, may have a 5 in the future, and having looked at other offerings, would stick to Iphone products period.
I think you miss the whole point of Apple. They are not about the latest whiz bang feature. They are about iterating over the technology in order to improve the user experience (UX). To make the thing more handy to use, easier to use, more like an extension of the person instead of some fancy gadget.
did you really just say that? they're not about the latest whiz bang feature? you make apple seem pretty whiz bang with all your raving. improve user experience? why not include more mouse buttons? the bottom line is you are contorting everything you say to put apple in a good light. it's deploreable. apple sticks to its form over function moto to the death. apple likes gimmicky things that captivate large segments of the population (females in particular). whizbang features that have succeeded in the past: scroll wheel of ipod, all touch screen phone, ultra thin laptops, etc. i'm not saying all these things are bad, but i'm saying they invest QUITE a bit of their time and resources into whizbanging their products up. all their products claim to be fancy gadgets.
This is why the iPhone 5 is such a leap forward (and no, I don't have an iPhone 5 yet and it will probably be a while since I have to finish a project and get paid before I can fund one). They worked really hard at innovating the inside of the thing to make it better. The innovations of the A6 processor (hand laid out -- no one does that any more but it allows them to optimize things and get better performance) are huge, but unheralded since it is not a flashy whiz-bang feature. AnandTech did an article on it btw which is interesting. Biut it allowed them to reduce the energy needed per WHIZBANGCYCLE of performance so that they could lighten the phone to make it handier. And the fit and finish are so far above any other phone which makes the thing more pleasant to use. There are lots of other examples of what they put into the phone's innards to make it a much better phone.
when apple makes a leap you will say their whizbangs are great and banging harder than ever. when apple doesn't whizbang it up you will claim that it's on purpose and that's the point of innovation. can you at least admit that's what you just said?
And there are lots of articles out there by people who sing the praise of the iPhone 5, and many of them are from doubters, some of whom had blasted the iPhone 5 when it first came out but after using one for a month, had a much different song to sing. (I posted a link from one such person in this or another iPhone 5 thread, for example).
this is pretty irrelevant to me. there are plenty of official reviews and articles whenever anything new is released. when the 4s came out my facebook, my youtube, the forums i visited were inundated with raving, personal praises. no lie, i was impressed. i was really hoping google would catch up and do what they needed to in order to stay competitive. in my opinion they did. for the 5, i've even heard a little buyer's remorse... sorry man, as much as you want to cram it down my throat that the 5 is THAT awesome, i'm not seeing the proof in the rave pudding from anyone else besides yourself.
Apple is not about a new list of features in every iteration of the product. Apple does not subscribe to the "spec-list" theory of designing and marketing products, nor to the "feature-itus" theory of designing and marketing products.
there's an app for that isn't feature-itus? there isn't a spec list at every meeting where they debut a product? every company has feature lists and specification list. if anything apple dictates which ones that everyone else tries to live up to right? so when the others start extending their lists and apple doesn't then that's where apple's in control and they are judged by some other metric that's in your adoring mind that no one else can objectively measure. amirite?
They hold to the "user experience" and "tool to get things done" theory of designing and marketing products, which means that a lot of products are iterated over several generations to improve how they work, including improving the innards to provide a better experience (through less energy use, or better ergonomics, or whatever). Sometimes new features find their way into this process. But it is a different way of developing and marketing products than the "geeks" can appreciate. And lots of the technological advances happen on the inside, where they are not immediately noticeable. (like improved battery use, better processors, etc)
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like i said they make stuff that appeals to women. form over function. sleek, "sexy," cute, seemless, no customization, out of the box performance however mediocre. apple products are "easier," more "user friendly," more "intuitive." i've heard all these many times. so apple's good at appealing to its audience. however i'm the other breed. none of my glocks are stock. none of my rifles are stock. none of my cars are stock. each product has been changed to conform to my exact application for it. apple doesn't have the right features in their products for me and to customize, even less so. they make something that works one way. it's a marvel that the app world exploded like it did because it made the iphone so much more capable than apple had originally intended.
anyway. this horse is turning into a fine paste. i'm done.
anyway. this horse is turning into a fine paste. i'm done.
Thank god.
did you really just say that? they're not about the latest whiz bang feature? you make apple seem pretty whiz bang with all your raving.
really? Where am I touting some latest whiz-bang feature?
improve user experience?
yep! That is how they work. Meld design and functionality into usable products. User experience.
why not include more mouse buttons?
You make the leap of faith that more mouse buttons equals a better user experience (for the average consumer). Except for the most über geek, I would bet that anything more than 2 mouse buttons detracts from the user experience. I would also bet that for every mouse out there with 9 function buttons/scroller setups, almost all of them are used as 2-button plus scroller mice.
And btw, that is just what Apple has as their current mouse. A 2-button plus "multi touch" scrolling sensor on top. (The so-called Magic Mouse).
And Apple has LONG supported multiple button mice for those who wanted such. They may not have sold one under the Apple label until the mouse prior to the Magic Mouse (which had that scroll ball thing on it), but they supported it for those who plugged one in.
Apple does a TON of usability testing. Probably more than any other company out there (I don't know it is more -- just stating my bet that it is). Just because you don't understand the rational behind certain decisions doesn't make them invalid.
the bottom line is you are contorting everything you say to put apple in a good light.
No, I am not. I just have read what Apple themselves says on how they work as well as commentary from others on how Apple works. I am not "contorting" anything. I am explaining how it is.
it's deploreable. apple sticks to its form over function moto to the death.
Apple does not stick to form over function. They make sure the form SERVES the function.
What they don't do is put gimmick and latest fad over form or over function.
apple likes gimmicky things that captivate large segments of the population (females in particular).
This is funny. Apple avoids gimmicky things. That is not to say they have never had gimmicky things. Of course they have. They have had things that looked like a good idea at the time, for whatever goal they were aiming for, that backfired or where they needed to retreat.
Apple is not infallible and they sometimes overshoot or go down the wrong path.
whizbang features that have succeeded in the past: scroll wheel of ipod, all touch screen phone, ultra thin laptops, etc. i'm not saying all these things are bad, but i'm saying they invest QUITE a bit of their time and resources into whizbanging their products up. all their products claim to be fancy gadgets.
They do not invest any time into "whiz banging" their products up. They invest a quite a bit of their time and resources into creating products (and features for products) in an attempt to improve the user experience. Sometimes that means a new feature or a new take on existing features. Sometimes it is jarring: dropping serial ports and going USB only. Dropping Floppy Drives and going optical only. Dropping optical drives and going external connection/network only.
Sometimes it means studying the latest fad (like NFC for example) and seeing how and when it will be of value and improve the user experience. That means that things like NFC may end up not ever being in an Apple product (if it is a fad with no legs or no discernible benefit to the user) or it many mans that it takes longer for it to get into an Apple product because Apple is trying to get its head around it and try to figure out how to make the technology usable and approachable to the average non-geek user -- how to improve the user experience.
WHIZBANG feature -- latest fad technology or latest headline technology (whether or not it has an actual practical use at the moment)
when apple makes a leap you will say their whizbangs are great and banging harder than ever. when apple doesn't whizbang it up you will claim that it's on purpose and that's the point of innovation. can you at least admit that's what you just said?
Well, Apple does not whiz bang things up -- it consciously decides what technologies are worthwhile to pursue and then works hard to make that technology fit within their goals for user experience. However, with that caveat (and the "that's the point of innovation line", which I don't understand in this context), that is exactly what I am saying.
And I will say it again. Apple does not follow and adopt fad or geek technology for the sake of technology. They adopt technology when it serves a purpose and improves the user experience (in their estimation).
this is pretty irrelevant to me. there are plenty of official reviews and articles whenever anything new is released. when the 4s came out my facebook, my youtube, the forums i visited were inundated with raving, personal praises. no lie, i was impressed. i was really hoping google would catch up and do what they needed to in order to stay competitive. in my opinion they did. for the 5, i've even heard a little buyer's remorse... sorry man, as much as you want to cram it down my throat that the 5 is THAT awesome, i'm not seeing the proof in the rave pudding from anyone else besides yourself.
There has not been a device sold where there has not been at least a small amount of buyer's remorse. I don't doubt somewhere, someone bought an iPhone 5 and has been disappointed. I don't know what their goals were.
I do know that the 4S caught a lot of flack for just being an upgraded 4. And that the iPhone 5 demand is much higher at this point (time after announcement) than the iPhone 4S was at the same point in its life cycle.
I have also talked to several people (neighbors, people I go to church with, etc) who have purchase iPhone 5 units and they all love it. Including those who upgraded from the 4S.
And I have read lots of online reviews and commentary, including from people who were negative after the initial announcement, who now sing its praises.
there's an app for that isn't feature-itus? there isn't a spec list at every meeting where they debut a product? every company has feature lists and specification list. if anything apple dictates which ones that everyone else tries to live up to right? so when the others start extending their lists and apple doesn't then that's where apple's in control and they are judged by some other metric that's in your adoring mind that no one else can objectively measure. amirite?
I am having trouble following what you are saying.
Apple does not design products around "specs" like most other phone companies (and computer companies) do. You will not see things like
"Dual Core XYZ Processor at 1.5ghz" on the iPhone or "2GB RAM" on the iPhone. Apple designs the package for usability (and performance of that usability). Obviously they tout the features they have. Others do to. But they don't go touting the specs as a feature.
like i said they make stuff that appeals to women. form over function. sleek, "sexy," cute, seemless, no customization, out of the box performance however mediocre.
The idea that Apple is specifically targeting women over men, or form over function, is ludicrous, and without support.
(and like I mentioned, I know a bunch of high end tactical trainers who use iPhones [last I saw them]).
Most of the people I know, whether tech geeks or not, who use Apple products, do so because they are tools to help them perform some function they are trying to achieve. The tool (mac or iPhone) gets in the way less in trying to get their job done than do the other choices. It is not about the tool and obsessing on the tool. It is about the use of the tool to achieve some purpose. And that is why they use Apple products.
YMMV. That is my experience. I have been involved in various tech circles (and non tech circles) of people using Apple products for a long time. Almost to the person, these people use the Apple products because they help them get their jobs done more easily and with less hassle than do other solutions. It has nothing to do with women, men, or targeting women, or being "cute."
Apple definitely don't target form over function. They specifically use form to enhance function.
This is the idea that most people cannot get their heads around. Which is too bad.
apple products are "easier," more "user friendly," more "intuitive." i've heard all these many times. so apple's good at appealing to its audience. however i'm the other breed. none of my glocks are stock. none of my rifles are stock. none of my cars are stock. each product has been changed to conform to my exact application for it. apple doesn't have the right features in their products for me and to customize, even less so. they make something that works one way. it's a marvel that the app world exploded like it did because it made the iphone so much more capable than apple had originally intended.
If you personally don't like Apple products, that is fine. My Apple products customize as much as I need them to. My computer has all sorts of third party enhancements. My phone all kinds of apps to enhance it. I am not going to bash you for your choices. That is your personal opinion. (I will however counter claims of facts that are not facts but personal biases or outright untruths, like "form over function" claims).
VooDoo6Actual
10-16-12, 15:11
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yes and no ?
some mother boards are better than others
ASUS has always had a good rep for good boards when I worked for HP we got our boards made by ASUS
Apple is not perfect but they tend to do good quality green board that other high end companies sometimes do or sometimes do not !
their is a reason many old macs still work is good components across the board :)
as far as memory ? many 3rd party quality memory options for macs !
dell charges to much apple charges to much hp charges to much etc..
thats not a apple thing :) its a business thing
and not all memory is the same depending on quality etc.. why some memory costs more etc.. and again quality memory can do a better job depending on needs etc..
also workstations often use ECC so thats in a whole other class again ! just like the Dell workstation or HP or ....
the same reason a mac pro vs a Dell or HP workstation are the same cost and a home PC is less than half !
if mac was not quality then HP and Dell would not also sell true workstation class machines !
same reason a power supply can cost $35 or $200 their is a point of buying to much but like guns you kinda get what you pay for !
as far as connectors ? I think targeting users is something apple does and some things are not included that should be ? but oh well
but unless USB3 gets off the South Bridge its a mute point unless they have ? but I dont think they have ?
in a very short while cause Intel has to get something going for the ICH and this is why TB is going to do well for performance
with modern fast storage again ICH is the bottleneck and Intel knows is ! and computers are going to start needing to do things like TB and change the architecture again !!! and that is a computer thing not apple or pc ! ;)
bottom line all companies seem to put out good stuff ! many companies put out price points
apple tends to stay away from that and try to make all the products good !
its like the phones how many models do they ever have out at one time ?
basically 2 or 3 and the other ones are just older versions ! so really their latest model is just ONE phone with dif configurations
the iMac a few models based on screen two then configurations
its much like Porsche or BMW where they tend to have more limited known models that come up through life !
a 911 is a 911 but the base configurations is dif why many mac heads also will say I have a mac pro 5,1
BMW folks talk about the E series they have etc. not as much as the 3 series :)
it is interesting what they have done :)
for me I like all tech :) so dont get to much into supporting a brand tend to get what I need
I don't consider myself an apple hater, and have used 3 generations of Iphone plus ipods and shit like that.
What a lot of Apple fans don't realize is they use the same hardware as PC's, and if you buy anything but the base model they ass rape you on upgrades. Things like RAM, CPU's, hard drives, ect. No reason a 8GB ram upgrade should cost several hundred dollars when you can go buy Corsair Vengeance 16GB laptop memory for under 100 bucks. Not to mention the now lower level stuff like 8GB kits.
My computer came with connectors that would run 30-50 bucks which Apple doesn't include.
What Apple is GOOD at is form factor, and I doubt the Samsung PC Im posting from would have been made without Apple going to Al unibody chassis. In the past Ive had a few other laptops and my wife has gone through a few. They were fragile and made with cheap glossy plastic and didn't seem to have the durability. The Ai chassis' with SSD and the "ultrabook" form factor is both an Apple and Intel push which is great. Lots of PC's out there now from Lenovo, Asus, Samsgung, Toshiba, ect.
I don't consider myself an apple hater, and have used 3 generations of Iphone plus ipods and shit like that.
to me a apple hater is someone that will never buy apple even if its a better choice for them !
a apple fanboy is someone that only buys apple even if their is a better choice for them !
lucky both can be that way since these products are really not NEEDED
meaning I can work on a PC and used to for years but apple is better for what I do
I prefer the color management and the applications and interface
so a iPhone for me is a smarter choice cause of our calendars etc...
if anyone works in a office and that office is PC based I would say stick with PC and droid :)
Both of these cases look good & I'm using OtterBox defender w/ Zero complaints just looking at some new & different ideas.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/46cd24aafe23121562320559ffd7fe6f_large.png
Cool, thanks! I'll have to take a look at these for my bucket o' knowledge...
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I'm waiting on the Magpul case. If that doesn't tickle me Elmo, I'll pick up an incipio feather.
I really like how thin and light this thing is and I don't want to ruin that.
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I'm waiting on the Magpul case. If that doesn't tickle me Elmo, I'll pick up an incipio feather.
I really like how thin and light this thing is and I don't want to ruin that.
I had a Magpul case on my 3GS (a pre production one they passed out to dealers and others at SHOT a while before they released it to test it) and I have the 4/4S Executive case on my 4S and really like it.
I think I am going to drive the iPhone 5 naked and see how it goes. (Once I get an iPhone 5). The ones I have tried out (from the neighbors who were showing me theirs) were so nice and light that I agree, don't want to ruin that.
But I am interested in seeing the Magpul one.
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Yeah, it's very thin and light weight, but it's also very sturdy. The all-aluminum back *should help avoid drop damage. And I already put ClearPlex screen armor on mine, which *should strengthen the glass a bit.
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Belmont31R
10-16-12, 23:19
I wasn't a fan of the magpul cases on our 4's (not 4s). Where the little tab to move it to silent or ringer is the magpul case was not cut out enough, and would flip the phone to silent when pressure was put on the lip around the top edge. It would basically push down on the side of the case which pushed on the tab putting the phone on silent. Im not a fan of cases that aren't ridgid around the side. Hate ones that slip off easily and aren't sturdy.
I wasn't a fan of the magpul cases on our 4's (not 4s). Where the little tab to move it to silent or ringer is the magpul case was not cut out enough, and would flip the phone to silent when pressure was put on the lip around the top edge. It would basically push down on the side of the case which pushed on the tab putting the phone on silent. Im not a fan of cases that aren't ridgid around the side. Hate ones that slip off easily and aren't sturdy.
Have not had problems with the phone slipping on its own out of the case, but it is easy to get out.
I do have the issue you mention of the ringer mute switch getting turned on sometimes in my pocket. I see what you mean. (I had the issue with 2 other cases and naked as well so I assumed it was the phone switch and not the case but in trying it out, as you mention, I see that it could be the case contributing to this). Thanks for pointing this out. Nice thing about the Magpul case is you can easily trim out a little where that switch pokes through. It is thin right there around it before it balloons back out to normal thickness. I think I will trim a little on the top of that hole and see how it goes.
Thanks
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Nice thing about the Magpul case is . . .
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. . . it's $10
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I'm waiting on the Magpul case. If that doesn't tickle me Elmo, I'll pick up an incipio feather.
I really like how thin and light this thing is and I don't want to ruin that.
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Thanks for the lead, that's just what I've been looking for. I've had the 5 for about 2 weeks now, upgraded from 3GS, and it's light years faster! Everything from the apps I use to Safari are cookin' now and I've used the maps app lots in and around Vegas with no issues. Plus, Grandma loves FaceTime with the grand kids so that's a winner all by itself.
Panoramic pictures are pretty neat too.
Nice thing about the Magpul case is . . .
. . . it's $10
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AND it works really really well (maybe with the exception of what Belmont mentioned, which should be fixable with an XActo knife if it still exists in a future iPhone 5 version of the case).
After I got the iPhone 4, the Magpul case was not available yet and I bought an el-cheapo $7 case from Amazon. It worked ok. But no where as nice feeling, or fitting, and I suspect as protective, as the Magpul case.
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Complaint:
I wish Siri had Geopolitical / Military history answers.
Example: "When was the Archduke Frans Ferdinand assassinated?"
. . . .
"Would you like me to search the web for: 'When was the Archduke Frans Ferdinand assassinated"?
No, I wish you could come up with my answer natively. It works marvelously if you ask it about sports or movies or weather. She likes the small talk I guess :D
It's a shallow complaint, because I know that there's only so much disk space for native answers. Hell, she could answer any query on earth if the phone had 10TB devoted to searchable facts.
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Complaint:
I wish Siri had Geopolitical / Military history answers.
Example: "When was the Archduke Frans Ferdinand assassinated?"
. . . .
"Would you like me to search the web for: 'When was the Archduke Frans Ferdinand assassinated"?
No, I wish you could come up with my answer natively. It works marvelously if you ask it about sports or movies or weather. She likes the small talk I guess :D
It's a shallow complaint, because I know that there's only so much disk space for native answers. Hell, she could answer any query on earth if the phone had 10TB devoted to searchable facts.
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I was under the impression that Siri communicates with some mothership up in the cloud to process these queries...that it isn't just searching a local database...is that not the case?
It searches everything. Locally, then via the Internet through one of its native apps, then via the Internet through third party apps, then finally just doing a friggin google search.
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. . . it's $10
But is it tactical????!! :D
I was under the impression that Siri communicates with some mothership up in the cloud to process these queries...that it isn't just searching a local database...is that not the case?
But it has to parse the question. You hit it with a question it cannot parse, it asks if you want to look it up in Google/whatever your search engine default is, and tries a generic text lookup of whatever you said, which may or may not be useful.
We are a long way from the Star Trek computer that understands all natural language perfectly.
Apple and Google are to be commended for working on this issue in their respective products.
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But is it tactical????!! :D
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/magpul-case/STCK8694-1024-Stick-text.jpg
More tactical than waffles at least
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QuietShootr
10-22-12, 14:29
Siri is a security hazard. Queries are stored permanently in the cloud, and they are personally identifiable.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/IBM-Bans-Apples-Siri-on-Big-Blue-Networks-for-Security-Reasons-830647/
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/f-secure-chief-warns-siri-is-unsafe-for-business/12475
Siri is a security hazard. Queries are stored permanently in the cloud, and they are personally identifiable.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/IBM-Bans-Apples-Siri-on-Big-Blue-Networks-for-Security-Reasons-830647/
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/f-secure-chief-warns-siri-is-unsafe-for-business/12475
So when the SS agent asked his IPhone "Where's the best Colombian whore house?" it was bad PERSEC?
Note to self....
VooDoo6Actual
10-22-12, 15:50
https://silentcircle.com
http://www.secureinthecircle.com/#&panel1-2
VooDoo6Actual
10-26-12, 09:58
http://news.yahoo.com/t-iphone-users-keep-unlimited-data-plans-iphone-210511755.html
In the link above we can clearly see where AT&T has given the "green light" for UNLIMITED Data plans etc. So I took the plunge having enjoyed a historically acceptable relationship w/ AT&T. I do travel OCONUS & need / use it's GSM attributes.
Now after using my iPhone 5 after less than one month I get TEXT message ALERT a few days back. Turns out the iPhone 5 is a Data whore / junkie / sponge etc. Who'd a thunk ?
Basically it says I have exceeded 5 GB of data & that I will be Throttled/Governed/regulated back for data usage.
So I call AT&T @ the 611 vector & speak to a customer care rep regarding the issue. They tell me that because I'm in the 5% of Data users my speeds have been reduced. So now I can't even send a picture from my device because the speed is slow & it's too many gb in the 8 mb camera to sufficiently send the pic. Bummer since I was on a PI gig where we needed real time pics of a subject etc. Oh & NO you can't send a pic message via Wi-Fi but you can send a pic in email via Wi-Fi.
Wonder of wonders, It turns out there are now a number of disgruntled AT&T customers who coincidentially have iPhone 5's that are experiencing similar issues. Many can't use FACETIME feature as it also is a Data sponge. Bad Ju Ju for AT&T coming in lawsuits or Bad Ju JU for consumers if it truly is a corporate takeover where consumers will clearly have less rights regarding truth in advertising etc. There is a class action lawsuit percolating from an Architect in San Francisco in process etc.
So here's the 411 lowdown & clever BS they are doing. If you have a UNLIMITED Data plan it is UNLIMITED as long as your data is under 5 gb monthly. But, if you exceed 5 gb of data, they are going to limit it's speed after you pass the 5 gb threshold. Nowhere in the contract I signed does it say that, but it continues to roll over each 2 years. In the fine print they (that most don't read & the Sales Associates don't tell you this as they know they need to sell the (or KEEP client retention) UNLIMITED Data plan as an inducement otherwise they lose out to Verizon as it has faster & true 4 LTE capability.
So here's AT&T with it's dishonest "4G" trademark when it's really like 3.5+ HSDPA network relevant to iPhone 4S et al users is NOW apparently controlling/regulating/governing UNLIMITED Data users .
Just a heads up to the what's really going on. Of course if you use 5 gb or less a month it's a non issue for those.
otherwise the phone ROCKS & dig it BUT it is a data sponge...
So hear's the other fine print below which BTW, WAS NEVER discussed or disclosed to me from my experiences etc.
http://9to5mac.com/2012/09/12/att-confirms-iphone-owners-will-be-able-to-keep-their-unlimited-data-plans/
"AT&T just released a press release announcing availability of the iPhone 5. That certainly shouldn’t come as a shock to anyone, but a tid-bit within the press release certainly has grabbed our attention. AT&T has announced that it will allow those who purchased AT&T’s unlimited data plans from 2007-2010 to continue using it even when purchasing the iPhone 5 at a subsidized price. AT&T discontinued its unlimited data plan in 2010 and moved to a tiered data plan, which has since reprised and restructured, but those who originally purchased the unlimited plan were allowed to hang on to it as long as their contract remained unchanged. AT&T has been throttling those plans for different tiers in especially in high traffic areas..
Over the past year Verizon Wireless, like AT&T, has moved away from unlimited plans as users move to new LTE data plans that feature shared data. AT&T has taken a similar approach, offering its customers shared data plans that can be used across every device on a specific plan, including tablets. AT&T is also requiring users to sign-up for the expensive shared plans in order to use iOS 6′s FaceTime over 3G feature. Verizon Wireless on the other hand hasn’t revealed its plans. At the other end, Sprint is continuing its approach to touting its “sharing is not caring” unlimited data plans.
AT&T made it clear that it will provide unlimited data users with 5GB of LTE data before being throttled – unlike the 3G’s unthrottled cap of 3GB."
So there it is just a caveat to those whom are thinking of AT&T vs. Verizon......
Again, the semantic word games so popular today. I. E. using "UNLIMITED" but it's NOT UNLIMITED because it has perimeters/threshold of 5 gb, so it's not "UNLIMITED" but we're going to use the term or word "UNLIMITED" because it fits our agenda of deception.
Doctrine or Legal Tort of Detrimental Reliance you bet. Beware.
Here's a link to another dissatisfied customer etc.
http://www.businessinsider.com/consumer-fcc-complaint-att-facetime-2012-10
Here's FCC complaint link for those who have similar or same issues
http://www.fcc.gov/complaints
YMMV...
Belmont31R
10-30-12, 22:00
Recently had to drop my my wife's line from my plan, and ATT didn't care. She got a new phone under a different carrier. We were 1 month away from being upgrade eligible on her line and they wouldn't budge. Was on the phone with ATT retention and I asked if they wanted to lose a line over 1 month. Wife ended up getting a plan with a new phone cheaper than our 2nd line was anyways.
These companies don't care about customer retention anymore just like the 1 year upgrade cycle has gone way for ATT iphone customers. Theres ATT and Verizon. The rest are hangers on.
Recently had to drop my my wife's line from my plan, and ATT didn't care. She got a new phone under a different carrier. We were 1 month away from being upgrade eligible on her line and they wouldn't budge. Was on the phone with ATT retention and I asked if they wanted to lose a line over 1 month. Wife ended up getting a plan with a new phone cheaper than our 2nd line was anyways.
These companies don't care about customer retention anymore just like the 1 year upgrade cycle has gone way for ATT iphone customers. Theres ATT and Verizon. The rest are hangers on.
So, what did she get? And did you convert your AT&T contract to a single phone individual contract? Or one of their one-rate new things?
There are too many MBAs in the world. The retail VP that Apple just sacked is one example. I think AT&T is run by MBAs too.
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VooDoo6Actual
10-30-12, 22:09
Recently had to drop my my wife's line from my plan, and ATT didn't care. She got a new phone under a different carrier. We were 1 month away from being upgrade eligible on her line and they wouldn't budge. Was on the phone with ATT retention and I asked if they wanted to lose a line over 1 month. Wife ended up getting a plan with a new phone cheaper than our 2nd line was anyways.
These companies don't care about customer retention anymore just like the 1 year upgrade cycle has gone way for ATT iphone customers. Theres ATT and Verizon. The rest are hangers on.
I could not agree more. The Corporate attitude of "take it or leave it" is not what I call progress or cultivating an enduring relationship strategy & will do more harm in the long run than good.
Belmont31R
10-30-12, 22:12
So, what did she get? And did you convert your AT&T contract to a single phone individual contract? Or one of their one-rate new things?
There are too many MBAs in the world. The retail VP that Apple just sacked is one example. I think AT&T is run by MBAs too.
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She did it all by herself, and got a Nokia windows phone. She loves it. Used it a bit myself, and that OS is great. With all the MS office stuff she gets at school its very easy for her to view things like slides and docs her prof's put out.
I am on an enterprise plan now and she is on her work discount. Total cost per month is lower than what we were paying. The month early termination fee was like 30 bucks.
She did it all by herself, and got a Nokia windows phone. She loves it. Used it a bit myself, and that OS is great. With all the MS office stuff she gets at school its very easy for her to view things like slides and docs her prof's put out.
cool. Too bad she could't wait for the Windows Phone 8 stuff to come out, though. Supposedly early Nov for Nokia 920 on AT&T and slightly later for the Nokia 810/820. Don't know when the HTC WP8 stuff is out.
Congrats to her!
I am on an enterprise plan now and she is on her work discount. Total cost per month is lower than what we were paying. The month early termination fee was like 30 bucks.
Good deal. I just ordered the wife an iPhone 5 and am waiting. It is a continuation of our AT&T family plan that I pay for through my business as I use her phone as a test and development device (and in fact it will be my only iPhone 5 class device for a while as I am still on an iPhone 4S). She wouldn't know where to start when it comes to phones.
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I could not agree more. The Corporate attitude of "take it or leave it" is not what I call progress or cultivating an enduring relationship strategy & will do more harm in the long run than good.
See my comment about MBAs a few posts ago.
They will be the death of American business.
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arizonaranchman
11-02-12, 13:35
Very happy with my iPhone 5. I had an old Blackberry 3G before this. It was so slow it was just about useless. This iPhone 5 with 4G LTE is up to 35x faster in download speeds over 3G. At minimum it's 10x faster.
Outstanding graphics with the new display. I'm new to Apple, having gotten an iPad 2 in January. But i'm now a big fan of Apple and have no interest in Windows stuff now that I'm used to iOS6.
Relatively new to apple here too. Wife and I have 2 iphone 5's on the way. We picked up an ipad v1 a couple of years ago, now have an imac, mac air and mac pro. I've held off for years due to the pc apps I need for development. Parallels fixed that. It seemed like a good idea to transition from droid to iphone at this time.
You guys won't be disappointed.
Few tips and tricks:
• Get out to the home screen and press the home button twice. This will list all your "running apps". If you touch and hold on one of them, you'll be able to close any you want. (For faster performance or longer battery life)
• turn off Bluetooth when not in use. It's a battery hog.
• keep tabs on your data usage in Settings > General > Usage > Cellular Usage
• When using Messages, if your text bubbles are green, it was sent as an SMS via Cellular. If they're blue, it was sent via iMessage and its totally free.
• press sleep/wake at the top, and the home button at the same time to take a screen shot.
Sent from my phone while I was on the toilet pooping
My 5 just survived it's first "Oh shit!" moment sliding off the trunk of the Audi. 2 tiny scratches on the aluminum and no other damage. :cool:
Belmont31R
11-02-12, 20:01
cool. Too bad she could't wait for the Windows Phone 8 stuff to come out, though. Supposedly early Nov for Nokia 920 on AT&T and slightly later for the Nokia 810/820. Don't know when the HTC WP8 stuff is out.
Congrats to her!
Good deal. I just ordered the wife an iPhone 5 and am waiting. It is a continuation of our AT&T family plan that I pay for through my business as I use her phone as a test and development device (and in fact it will be my only iPhone 5 class device for a while as I am still on an iPhone 4S). She wouldn't know where to start when it comes to phones.
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She just isn't tech savy, and likes her phone a lot. Been a few more days, and she is a whiz on it.
Can't say Windows/Zune has as much functionality as IOS/OSX but the simplicity of the Windows phone is pretty cool. Going from IOS to Android myself it was kind of refreshing to have something so simple to use.
My 5 just survived it's first "Oh shit!" moment sliding off the trunk of the Audi. 2 tiny scratches on the aluminum and no other damage. :cool:
Yeah, it's surprisingly durable. The glass is the weakest part, that's why I threw a ClearPlex screen cover on it. Other than that, I'm considering running it naked.
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I have not ordered my iPhone 5 yet (not in for the cheap upgrade yet). Wife's was ordered on Oct 23 (she was in for the cheap upgrade). Still waiting. Hopefully it comes soon, so I can play with it some ;) . I'll get one once I get paid for my current project. Have to pay full price.
Did get my iPad mini yesterday. Very nice. I like the size and light weight for casual use, etc.
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I have not ordered my iPhone 5 yet (not in for the cheap upgrade yet). Wife's was ordered on Oct 23 (she was in for the cheap upgrade). Still waiting. Hopefully it comes soon, so I can play with it some ;) . I'll get one once I get paid for my current project. Have to pay full price.
Did get my iPad mini yesterday. Very nice. I like the size and light weight for casual use, etc.
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did you pre order or go to a store for your mini ?
did you pre order or go to a store for your mini ?
I pre-ordered the white/silver 16gb wifi one about 2 minutes after pre-orders opened a week ago friday at around 7 or so past midnight, pacific time.
so UPS brought it to me.
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thanks :) been curious to get down to the apple store and feel one in person
I was shocked at how light my iphone 5 was :) so if the small iPad is that light feeling in my hands compared to my regular iPad debating about getting one :)
thanks :) been curious to get down to the apple store and feel one in person
I was shocked at how light my iphone 5 was :) so if the small iPad is that light feeling in my hands compared to my regular iPad debating about getting one :)
I don't have an iPhone 5 but have tried a neighbors for a few minutes. It is super light and handy.
This is super light and handy as well. Is really amazing in the hand. Of course, the screen is smaller than a regular iPad. But also half the weight, and it is a much nicer look than a non-retina iPad (though smaller) due to higher PPI.
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I too was up at 2 AM when the iPad Mini came up for pre-order, just as I was when the I preordered an iPhone 5 for my daughter. Unlike some previous such 2 AM adventures at the Apple Store, both of those preorders clicked right on through without a hitch. On the iPhone 5, I did try AT&T's website first since it was an upgrade but they were completely hosed. No problem getting the phone and upgrade from Apple.
The iPad Mini is actually pretty cool and so far has been far more useful than I anticipated. It's size and weight make it easier for me to carry at work (pocket of lab coat) as well as making it superior for reading books - it's easily held in one hand. Otherwise, it's identical to the iPad in functionality. When I activated it, all I did was load the mini under iPad and it's now identical to my full-size, right down to the screen saver and home screen. I don't notice any significant display degradation over the retina iPad. The text is plenty crisp.
This.
I agree, I came in here to see if it is worth it to upgrade from my 4, to a 5, and after 8 pages, I see it is, but one has to wade through 5-6 pages of crap, brought on by droidbois.
Belmont31R
11-04-12, 14:59
I agree, I came in here to see if it is worth it to upgrade from my 4, to a 5, and after 8 pages, I see it is, but one has to wade through 5-6 pages of crap, brought on by droidbois.
So all you're looking for is what you want to hear, and blame it on other people who have good experiences with non-Apple products? I read mac rumors forums quite a bit, and even in the Apple world people have complaints. But express them outside the Apple forums, and suddenly its just people talking trash on Apple for no reason.
So all you're looking for is what you want to hear, and blame it on other people who have good experiences with non-Apple products? I read mac rumors forums quite a bit, and even in the Apple world people have complaints. But express them outside the Apple forums, and suddenly its just people talking trash on Apple for no reason.
I have done the droid, one of my kids uses the droid, I'm just not that impressed with it, for my needs my iPhone more than covers it. I was curious as to how it stacked up against a 4s, as if it is that much better than I would spend the extra coin to get it. I'm far from a Apple fan boy, actually I really dont care for their products other than their phones, yes we have iPads (3), Mac Book Pro, in our household, and to be honest I will use them if thats all thats available but I prefer Windows based OS.
Belmont31R
11-04-12, 16:34
I have done the droid, one of my kids uses the droid, I'm just not that impressed with it, for my needs my iPhone more than covers it. I was curious as to how it stacked up against a 4s, as if it is that much better than I would spend the extra coin to get it. I'm far from a Apple fan boy, actually I really dont care for their products other than their phones, yes we have iPads (3), Mac Book Pro, in our household, and to be honest I will use them if thats all thats available but I prefer Windows based OS.
Not a droid fan although I think the newer Android OS's like JB and ICS are a lot better than previous versions, and the older versions sorta ruined it for some people. Android finally has a good OS, and phones like the GS3 and One X have the hardware to use it cleanly. Never get errors or have to reboot my phone. I generally like Motorola stuff but not their Android phones.
Said on here many times Apple makes some good stuff but they are option limited, and I don't like the direction Apple is taking with the non-user upgrade able hardware like soldiering in RAM, and then they want to charge $200 to go from 8gb to 16gb on the MBP with retina. So not only are you paying for the original 8GB of ram but then an additional 200 over the base price to get 16GB. I just replaced the ram in my few month old Samsung for less than $100 out the door for a good Corsair 16gb kit. Including the 8gb in the base price, and then going up to 16GB is like $250 when there are are off the shelf options that work just as well.
I actually do think OSX is a better OS than Windows because its more efficient but the problem there is a lot of enterprise stuff is Windows only. I wouldn't have a problem using a Mac but don't want to pay the Apple tax to get the same level of hardware that is available off the shelf for less than half the price. The screen on the new MBP's is awesome, though. Build quality on the exterior PC's are catching up. My Samsung has a full AL chasis, backlit keyboard which is really nice for being what it is (non mechanical lol), and ssd hd.
With Windows 8 theres a lot of foggies out there who say "Ive been using the same UI since windows 95 and they changed it". The biggest problem with windows isn't window's its the users. People think Win 8 should interact exactly as it did 17 years ago and not adopt to new hardware, better ways of doing things. If the core Windows users got their way Windows 14 would still have the same dumb start menu and functionality.
So all you're looking for is what you want to hear, and blame it on other people who have good experiences with non-Apple products? I read mac rumors forums quite a bit, and even in the Apple world people have complaints. But express them outside the Apple forums, and suddenly its just people talking trash on Apple for no reason.
I think you missed the point. It is not that Droid people have no write to comment, but this is not the appropriate place. This is a thread about the iPhone and whether it (iPhone 5) met the OP needs, and more specifically, which software people recommended to him, IIRC.
Droid people can open up their own thread of they want to talk about iPhone 5 or the iPhone or iPad or anything.
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Belmont31R
11-05-12, 21:53
I think you missed the point. It is not that Droid people have no write to comment, but this is not the appropriate place. This is a thread about the iPhone and whether it (iPhone 5) met the OP needs, and more specifically, which software people recommended to him, IIRC.
Droid people can open up their own thread of they want to talk about iPhone 5 or the iPhone or iPad or anything.
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Lol. I started a thread on buying an GS3, and I didn't bitch when people posted about apple stuff.
Lol. I started a thread on buying an GS3, and I didn't bitch when people posted about apple stuff.
Maybe because you brought up Apple in your OP in that thread... If the OP brings it up, it is generally OK to comment on it. (Not saying exclusively or anything).
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Belmont31R
11-05-12, 23:21
Maybe because you brought up Apple in your OP in that thread... If the OP brings it up, it is generally OK to comment on it. (Not saying exclusively or anything).
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huh. Go read posts 10 and 11 in this thread.
huh. Go read posts 10 and 11 in this thread.
And? Your point please? I am a little dense tonight.
Post 10 (and the cr*pstorm it set off, in which I participated on the defense) is what the complaint is really rooted on. The OP was not asking for Droidheads to trash on the iPhone 5, which kind of derailed the thread.
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Lol. I started a thread on buying an GS3, and I didn't bitch when people posted about apple stuff.Maybe because you brought up Apple in your OP in that thread... If the OP brings it up, it is generally OK to comment on it. (Not saying exclusively or anything).
huh. Go read posts 10 and 11 in this thread.
Just to clarify, my comment was aimed at your comment about YOUR thread on the GS3 that you started, and the Apple comments there. Which you started by mentioning Apple in the OP.
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Belmont31R
11-05-12, 23:39
Just to clarify, my comment was aimed at your comment about YOUR thread on the GS3 that you started, and the Apple comments there. Which you started by mentioning Apple in the OP.
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The OP in this thread didn't bring up the GS3 in this thread til you guys mentioned it, and you went out of your way in the 11th post of this thread to give your opinion on it.
Don't really care...just think its funny people get butthurt about topics at times. The thread was ALREADY going into talking into other devices by at least the 10th post, and it's now on page 8 or whatever. Hell of a time to do a "do over".
And it begins again.
For ****s sake
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We received our iphone 5s from Verizon and had our numbers ported over. It seems the mini sims sent have the temp numbers burned in need to be replaced. I spent almost 2 hours at various levels of support to find that out. The porting for both phones were successful but the phones could not authenticated. Maybe Verizon should send another mini sim with the phones just in case. Going to the local Verizon this morning. I'll post if they find something else. Has anyone else run into this?
We received our iphone 5s from Verizon and had our numbers ported over. It seems the mini sims sent have the temp numbers burned in need to be replaced. I spent almost 2 hours at various levels of support to find that out. The porting for both phones were successful but the phones could not authenticated. Maybe Verizon should send another mini sim with the phones just in case. Going to the local Verizon this morning. I'll post if they find something else. Has anyone else run into this?
This does not make sense. There is no "burned in" number in a SIM that I know of. It all is a correlation on the carrier computer between SIM card ID and your number. (And what the device is told the number for itself is).
And Verizon does not use SIMs anyway, at least for regular, non-LTE service. (Am not sure about LTE service on Verizon and SIM). The SIM is only used for roaming and stuff like that where you are in another country that uses GSM/UMTS (or you want to switch to AT&T). The CDMA phone programming is not in the SIM.
I would go to the Verizon store and tell them to un-mess it up right away. You should not have an issue.
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This does not make sense. There is no "burned in" number in a SIM that I know of. It all is a correlation on the carrier computer between SIM card ID and your number. (And what the device is told the number for itself is).
And Verizon does not use SIMs anyway, at least for regular, non-LTE service. (Am not sure about LTE service on Verizon and SIM). The SIM is only used for roaming and stuff like that where you are in another country that uses GSM/UMTS (or you want to switch to AT&T). The CDMA phone programming is not in the SIM.
I would go to the Verizon store and tell them to un-mess it up right away. You should not have an issue.
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It was the sim card, the iphone 5s from verizon does have them maybe for the LTE as you say. What had happened is the sales person waited to port the number after we got the phones so we wouldn't lose cell service. The sims that came with the phone with the assigned number could not be changed. They needed new cards. We went to the Verizon store, sales manager said that's the issue, he was very familiar with this. Put new sims in and they authenticated immediately. All fixed. After the long calls yesterday with support and being escalated a couple of times I find it odd that it took that long to track down the issue.
Now that that's resolved we are quite happy with these cells.
It was the sim card, the iphone 5s from verizon does have them maybe for the LTE as you say. What had happened is the sales person waited to port the number after we got the phones so we wouldn't lose cell service. The sims that came with the phone with the assigned number could not be changed. They needed new cards. We went to the Verizon store, sales manager said that's the issue, he was very familiar with this. Put new sims in and they authenticated immediately. All fixed. After the long calls yesterday with support and being escalated a couple of times I find it odd that it took that long to track down the issue.
Now that that's resolved we are quite happy with these cells.
Yes, the Verizon iPhones do have a SIM card. But it is not used for basic service. It is used for roaming in UMTS/GSM areas, and maybe for LTE, so I can see how it would screw things up. The fact that it was ported afterwards could be a problem, I guess.
Anyway, good they got it sorted out.
Chad
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Belmont31R
11-12-12, 20:11
After the hiatus away from the iphone I'm back to using one...an iphone 5. Wife ended up not liking her windows phone as much as she first thought, and while I like the S3 a lot, the iphone is an all together better package.
I could never get the Samsung Kies software to work. It would never do a back up, and while I simply ended up using Titanium Backup you shouldn't have to do that with a flagship phone meant to compete head to head with the iphone.
Overall I think Android is too fragmented with all the different software both on the phone from various carriers and manufacturers and 'support software' like Kies to do backups and syncing. I don't know if the software HTC uses (or whoever else) works better but for me Kies never worked. Not acceptable for a high end phone.
The screen on iphone 5 is better than the S3, and I have very good vision...meaning I can barely detect the tiniest amount of pixelation on the 5's screen if I look very close and it's probably on a 3rd party app that doesn't have the highest resolution icons. On the S3 I thought even the stock apps or even google apps didn't quite look all that great. Like 3GS quality, and theres way more pixelation throughout the screen no matter what you're looking at.
I actually did get sick of the dark tones to things all throughout ICS. Everything is grey and subdued tones. Messenging was an ugly yellow and grey color. I know there are other messenging apps and I tried a few but didn't like any of them. After a few months of use it was becoming like looking at a dos command promt all the time.
The gmail, stock, and Hotmail (outlook) email apps suck. The native ios email program is great.
When I was wiping the S3 to set it up for my wife I did a factory restore, and when it came back to life there was no factory/stock keyboard present. Only the google voice thing. I couldn't get into google play to download something like the free version of swift key 3 because I couldn't get the voice thing to input an email address. I ended up having to download a keyboard I found off a search, put it on the phone through file explorer, and then go through the file manager on the phone to install it. A PITA and to me is kind of a summation of the fractured, and at times odd way Android does things with so many hands in the pot on the software that comes with each model. Someone who buys an HTC can have different stuff than what a Samsung or Motorola buyer gets. While open source can be good...these companies aren't doing a good enough job in making open source a good thing. Then, since we are with ATT, the thing comes with like 10 different crappy ATT apps you have to get rid of. If Android devices came with what Google puts out (like Nexus devices) things would be a lot better.
What I don't like about the 5 is youtube videos aren't playing full screen. Dumb. Make use of that screen. I'm waiting on a case I ordered off Amazon but without anything on the phone the edges are a bit rough on my soft lotioned hands. I actually did really like the Chrome browser on the S3. It had forward, back, and refresh buttons that were always visible. Safari has back and forward buttons the refresh button gets tacked to the top of the page with the address bar so if you scroll down the refresh button goes out of view. Id rather have a refresh button down next to the forward/back arrows than the always present bookmarks button. Chrome on IOS doesn't have the features I've mentioned. So email is better on IOS but internent browsing with Chrome on android with that big screen is better.
As far as screen size Im conflicted here but much of my original thought was literally before I had a laptop, and now at home if I want to watch TV and surf I just use the laptop. So video watching and youtube viewing are less important to me now since I don't use the phone for that now.
The connector, Lightning, is (so far) far better than micro usb, which Ive come to find out, is quite the finicky and fragile bitch. The little paws that lock into the phone are so weak 2 out of 4 cords I have are easily pulled out of the device with no resistance. One of the failed one was Samsung OEM cable, and one was the one that came with my wife's Windows phone. The Samsung OEM car charger, and the cable that came in the box with the S3 seem a bit stronger and still lock in strong.
As an aside I've come to actually dislike LTE coverage. Using it on two devices now it drains the battery like no other. I'd be perfectly fine with HSPA+ with ATT. On that I was getting 5-10MBPS which is plenty for a phone. Unless you have a very good LTE signal the battery gets drained by the radio trying to keep up with the LTE signal. Where I live we have LTE but on both phones I only get 1-2 bars so doing anything on the cell network, like texting, the battery drops visibly fast. Just sitting here on wifi it barely moves. Maybe once LTE becomes more saturated it won't be an issue but as of now it appears the hardware in phones aren't efficient enough. I can be next to the tower, and get over 40MBPS download speeds but once you get down to the 1-2 bar signal strength when your phone has to use that signal it pumps as much juice as it can to keep up with the lower bars. HSPA+ is a lot more saturated, and at least to me just as effective for a phone while not draining the battery so much. With the relatively weak processors in cell phones to something like a desktop PC I don't think there is really a lot of of difference in rendering times for web surfing between 5MBPS and 40.
So, in conclusion, both phones are good and I was certainly able to use the S3 well. No issues with speed or handling opening and closing apps, no weird failures like were common on earlier Android phones, and the big screen size is great for video watching and web browsing. I will miss the (paid) Swift Key 3 keyboard. Awesome, and quick...although the IOS auto-correct is better. Just don't have to switch between screens constantly to type out a sentence. The Otterbox Commuter case for the S3 is awesome. Best Otterbox product I've ever seen. No loose edges and very solid. The Commuter for the 5 sucks. Bought one today, and returned it once I got into the parking lot and put it on. The thing was on my phone less than 10 seconds. That bad, and I generally like Otterbox stuff. We put a Commuter on the Window's phone, and even thought it became a brick of a device it was very solid like the one on the S3. Whatever they did with the 5 case should be scrapped and redone. I hate cases where you can roll the edge off the side because its 'floppy'...aka the Magpul iphone case where it lacked the rigidity to keep the mute button from being hit when pressure was put on the edge of the case, and it pushes down off the side.
At any rate it's great we have the competition, and whatever you think of either company they both benefit as do we. Samsung has been a major supplier of screens and other hardware to apple, and if you go read the mac rumors forums the MBA and rMBR people are all loving on the Samsung screens while the guys who bought those products with LG screens are having lots of issues and returning them for various common problems. Both companies can, and do make excellent stuff.
What I don't like about the 5 is youtube videos aren't playing full screen. Dumb. Make use of that screen.
Agreed. Google needs to update their YouTube app pronto. It's one of the only apps I run that still hasn't been updated for the 4" screen. Dumb.
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Belmont31R
11-13-12, 08:41
Agreed. Google needs to update their YouTube app pronto. It's one of the only apps I run that still hasn't been updated for the 4" screen. Dumb.
Sent from my phone while I was on the toilet pooping
USAA is also running for the 3.5" screen size. I'm sure they'll be fixing them as time goes on.
On the S3 I was able to create a Tapatalk link direct to this site so it displayed the M4Carbine.net logo. I can't seem to find a way to do this on the 5. Anyone know how or is it not possible?
After the hiatus away from the iphone I'm back to using one...an iphone 5.
Did you buy this in-store? I am just wondering how long you had to wait. I have had one on order for 3 weeks for the wife (white, 32gb) and am hoping to get it before Thanksgiving or I may have to cancel and re-order since we won't be around to take delivery.
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USAA is also running for the 3.5" screen size. I'm sure they'll be fixing them as time goes on.
Yeah, it will take a while for all apps to get updated to the new screen size. I am working on a project that is being submitted to the App Store this week and it does not have the larger screen support. It may eventually but the app was well under development when the 4" screen was announced, there was no budget for V1 to redo the screens to support the larger screen, but most significantly, I have not been able to get a 4" device myself to test and use for development, and we are not going to postpone release of the app to wait for a device and restart the screen layout.
I suspect lots of other apps were "blind sided" by the new screen size and are in various states of development and will work it in to their schedules/
On the S3 I was able to create a Tapatalk link direct to this site so it displayed the M4Carbine.net logo. I can't seem to find a way to do this on the 5. Anyone know how or is it not possible?
Can you explain in more detail what you are talking about? On the S3, what sort of link and where was it? On the "desktop" or internal to the app in some sort of default or favorites?
I have the iOS tapatalk but don't use it. But am trying to understand to see if there is an easy answer.
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Belmont31R
11-13-12, 11:52
Can you explain in more detail what you are talking about? On the S3, what sort of link and where was it? On the "desktop" or internal to the app in some sort of default or favorites?
I have the iOS tapatalk but don't use it. But am trying to understand to see if there is an easy answer.
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It was tapatalk for this forum but instead of having the stock tapatalk icon it had the M4carbine.net logo thats shown when you search within tapatalk. It was basically a shortcut to the forum that displayed the m4carbine logo.
It was tapatalk for this forum but instead of having the stock tapatalk icon it had the M4carbine.net logo thats shown when you search within tapatalk. It was basically a shortcut to the forum that displayed the m4carbine logo.
Sorry, I am still confused. Do you mean an icon on the "desktop" that runs the app and takes you directly to the M4C forum? Or a fast-link inside the app itself?
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Belmont31R
11-13-12, 12:33
Sorry, I am still confused. Do you mean an icon on the "desktop" that runs the app and takes you directly to the M4C forum? Or a fast-link inside the app itself?
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Yeah displayed like every other app. Not within the tapatalk app itself. So I would have a moveable app like every other app on the phone which displays the m4carbine.net logo.
Yeah displayed like every other app. Not within the tapatalk app itself. So I would have a moveable app like every other app on the phone which displays the m4carbine.net logo.
It is probably possible. I am not sure yet how.
You can type: tapatalk:// into the mobile Safari browser and it will open tapatalk up. I have not yet seen how to get it to open a specific forum but the fact that it responds to the custom URL gives me hope.
You would then create a "web app" reference on your desktop with the custom url, once we figure out what it should be (if any)
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Did you buy this in-store? I am just wondering how long you had to wait. I have had one on order for 3 weeks for the wife (white, 32gb) and am hoping to get it before Thanksgiving or I may have to cancel and re-order since we won't be around to take delivery.
Well, what do you know. It went into "Processing for Shipment" today. Which usually means it is shipping from China today. They won't tell me it shipped for a couple days and by the time they do, it is at the main hub here in the US ready to be shipped to my local area. (That is what happened with my iPad mini -- by the time I got the shipment notice and tracking number, it was 3 days underway and in the US already, unlike an iPod and previous iPhones in previous years that showed the moment they shipped in China).
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Belmont31R
11-13-12, 18:39
Well, what do you know. It went into "Processing for Shipment" today. Which usually means it is shipping from China today. They won't tell me it shipped for a couple days and by the time they do, it is at the main hub here in the US ready to be shipped to my local area. (That is what happened with my iPad mini -- by the time I got the shipment notice and tracking number, it was 3 days underway and in the US already, unlike an iPod and previous iPhones in previous years that showed the moment they shipped in China).
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Sorry missed your question on this above.
No I bought it at the ATT store closest to where I live. They have a new feature on their website where you can check availability of phones at local stores.
When I told the guy what I wanted he said, 'Let me see if we have those in stock.', and I said, 'You better because your website says you have them.' He looked at me funny and I told him about the store availability feature on the ATT website. He said he was on vacation for 12 days and didn't know about it.
I got a 16gb in white. Most of the other models were not in stock.
Sorry missed your question on this above.
No I bought it at the ATT store closest to where I live. They have a new feature on their website where you can check availability of phones at local stores.
When I told the guy what I wanted he said, 'Let me see if we have those in stock.', and I said, 'You better because your website says you have them.' He looked at me funny and I told him about the store availability feature on the ATT website. He said he was on vacation for 12 days and didn't know about it.
I got a 16gb in white. Most of the other models were not in stock.
Cool, thanks. I did not know that the ATT website had that feature, but after looking around just now, I see that it does. The one I want was not in my local ATT store but some of the valley stores show it in stock. I've always gotten my iPhones in the past direct from Apple or at an Apple store as they always had better stock than AT&T did. Interesting to know. Thanks!
Mine will be coming by the beginning of this coming week, which is all I needed.
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Belmont31R
11-13-12, 18:47
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Belmont31R
11-13-12, 18:48
Cool, thanks. I did not know that the ATT website had that feature, but after looking around just now, I see that it does. The one I want was not in my local ATT store but some of the valley stores show it in stock. I've always gotten my iPhones in the past direct from Apple or at an Apple store as they always had better stock than AT&T did. Interesting to know. Thanks!
Mine will be coming by the beginning of this coming week, which is all I needed.
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Yeah I just stumbled upon it. Always bought at the Apple store, too, but that place is a zoo.
Are you getting AppleCare?
Yeah I just stumbled upon it. Always bought at the Apple store, too, but that place is a zoo.
My 4S last december I ordered online at the Apple online store with in-store pickup and just went in, talked to the greeter, they went and got the phone, looked at my ID, and I left. Never got more than 6-8 feet in from the front door :). This was last December and the hard part was trying to find parking in the parking lot. Especially in my truck, which has the turning radius of a battleship.
Every other iPhone I've bought, except my original one in Dec 2007, the UPS or Fedex guy dropped off at my house. My house IS a zoo, but...
Are you getting AppleCare?
I have not on any phone up to now. I don't think I will on this one. But I plan on probably buying a full price one since my contract is not up for a cheap phone yet and I need one for development (I can use the wife's, but not any time I want -- I use it mainly for testing of test-releases and not attached-to-the-computer programming and debugging), since so much has changed underneath (not use iOS 6 but a lot of the stuff for the larger screen etc). Since I will be paying full price on it, I may spring for the AppleCare.
I bought AppleCare for my iPad 3 but not the iPad mini.
It's your call. If you case it up -- well armor the phone, which is what I am going to do with the wife's, I think I'd skip it. I don't like screen protectors and have not used one since my original iPhone I think -- maybe the 3GS, but that is something to consider. My 4S has a few small scratches in the glass. They don't bother me but they are there. The gorilla glass Apple (and everyone else) uses is pretty tough and I like the feel of it naked myself.
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I wish Verizon showed such a thing. Since I will be paying full price on my second iPhone 5, the one for me (vs the wife's which should be here next week), I want to get the Verizon one and use an AT&T SIM in it. The Verizon SIM slot is unlocked, and has the Euro LTE bands in it instead of the AT&T ones. So I won't get LTE in it with AT&T, but AT&T is not rocking' LTE in my AO anyway quite yet, so I can do without until next year anyway. The goal is to convince the Verizon store to sell me one at the contract-free full price without having to sign up for ANY service.
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Belmont31R
11-13-12, 19:57
I wish Verizon showed such a thing. Since I will be paying full price on my second iPhone 5, the one for me (vs the wife's which should be here next week), I want to get the Verizon one and use an AT&T SIM in it. The Verizon SIM slot is unlocked, and has the Euro LTE bands in it instead of the AT&T ones. So I won't get LTE in it with AT&T, but AT&T is not rocking' LTE in my AO anyway quite yet, so I can do without until next year anyway. The goal is to convince the Verizon store to sell me one at the contract-free full price without having to sign up for ANY service.
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The people on Mac Rumors Forums said you can walk into an Apple Store, and buy an unlocked phone. They ring it up as a 'device' instead of under a contract with a carrier.
Yeah basically paid full price for mine. My wife's work discount is better than my 15% service discount so I paid the ETF on my account, which considering I just got the S3 off it, wasn't bad. Like $250. Then I got the 5 as a 2nd line on her contract for $200. Her company discount also has waived activation fee's where mine did not. So $450 out the door with the phone and my ETF.
We are on the mobile share plan now. With 6gb shared, her discount, and both phones its $140 a month w/ all taxes (ect).
The people on Mac Rumors Forums said you can walk into an Apple Store, and buy an unlocked phone. They ring it up as a 'device' instead of under a contract with a carrier.
I wonder if they will sell the Verizon version that way. In the past they only sold the "GSM" (i.e. ATT) version unlocked like that.
Thanks for the info. I think I will try it after I get paid for my current app and have the money in my company account to get one.
Yeah basically paid full price for mine. My wife's work discount is better than my 15% service discount so I paid the ETF on my account, which considering I just got the S3 off it, wasn't bad. Like $250. Then I got the 5 as a 2nd line on her contract for $200. Her company discount also has waived activation fee's where mine did not. So $450 out the door with the phone and my ETF.
We are on the mobile share plan now. With 6gb shared, her discount, and both phones its $140 a month w/ all taxes (ect).
That is not bad. I wonder if I can get some sort of business discount with AT&T for my 2 phones... I have all the business paperwork etc.
We'll see. I might consider a mobile share with that sort of thing. Right now on a family plan and my data is the grandfathered unlimited data plan, though I never use that much.
Your wife has the GS3 now, right?
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Belmont31R
11-13-12, 20:11
I wonder if they will sell the Verizon version that way. In the past they only sold the "GSM" (i.e. ATT) version unlocked like that.
Thanks for the info. I think I will try it after I get paid for my current app and have the money in my company account to get one.
That is not bad. I wonder if I can get some sort of business discount with AT&T for my 2 phones... I have all the business paperwork etc.
We'll see. I might consider a mobile share with that sort of thing. Right now on a family plan and my data is the grandfathered unlimited data plan, though I never use that much.
Your wife has the GS3 now, right?
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Yes she does.
Her employer discount is 22% w/ no activation fees. Mine was 15% with activation fees.
My account had two grandfathered unlimited plans but we never came close to using 3GB each, and unlimited was a bit of a misnomer since they throttle you after 5gb anyways and didn't allow tethering. So holding onto the grandfathered data wasn't doing anything for us anyways. Would rather save $15-20 a month under her plan.
Yes she does.
Her employer discount is 22% w/ no activation fees. Mine was 15% with activation fees.
My account had two grandfathered unlimited plans but we never came close to using 3GB each, and unlimited was a bit of a misnomer since they throttle you after 5gb anyways and didn't allow tethering. So holding onto the grandfathered data wasn't doing anything for us anyways. Would rather save $15-20 a month under her plan.
Agreed, we don't use that much data since I work at home and when she is at work (i.e., not at home), she is working (RN) and not on the phone that much so most of her data use is at home.
You got me thinking. (I should have looked at this ages ago). My wife is an RN for a large medical non profit in Utah (IHC) that runs a ton of hospitals and clinics and an insurance company. I figured, based on what you said, that she probably could get a discount through her employer as well. So I just logged in to her online work intranet and sure enough, it seems to be very similar if not the same as what your wife has through hers. I just emailed their AT&T contact to see if I could move my account over or what I needed to do.
Thanks for the inspiration!
What case did you get for your iPhone 5?
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Belmont31R
11-13-12, 20:52
Agreed, we don't use that much data since I work at home and when she is at work (i.e., not at home), she is working (RN) and not on the phone that much so most of her data use is at home.
You got me thinking. (I should have looked at this ages ago). My wife is an RN for a large medical non profit in Utah (IHC) that runs a ton of hospitals and clinics and an insurance company. I figured, based on what you said, that she probably could get a discount through her employer as well. So I just logged in to her online work intranet and sure enough, it seems to be very similar if not the same as what your wife has through hers. I just emailed their AT&T contact to see if I could move my account over or what I needed to do.
Thanks for the inspiration!
What case did you get for your iPhone 5?
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Got a Otterbox Commuter which sucks. Returning it tomorrow.
Bought this off Amazon. Should be here tomorrow. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009S14VSO/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
I never used a case or screen protector with any iphone I had before. I'm pretty good about not dropping phones or washing them. My wife averages a washed phone every 1.5 years and dropped my 4 once which cracked the glass in a corner. Luckily could still use it. Then she washed her 4, and used mine after I had gotten the GS3. Then she dropped that one (again), and it shattered it for good.
Thats good news on the discount. I just wish ATT would go back to the early upgrade for the iphone. I got the 3g, 3gs, and 4 all in a row with the subsidized price. Sometime after the 4 they went to 1 1/2 year for the 1st line and 2 years for the 2nd line. With how Apple releases stuff I'll now basically be on an every other release schedule for the subsidized price vs. upgrading with every release. Paying the same price for service as I was but getting a new phone yearly was a lot better 'deal' for service.
Think I will do the Apple Care thing now that I'll be using this phone for 2 years. Sounds like a good deal with up to 2 replacements for 50 bucks from accidental damage and the extended warranty coverage. My good buddy here got the insurance ATT offered they wanted a $200 deductible to replace an outdated phone. He was paying like $5 a month for that. If you use the phone 2 years thats $5x24=$220. The Apple Care plan is $99 and has a lot better coverage.
Got a Otterbox Commuter which sucks. Returning it tomorrow.
Bought this off Amazon. Should be here tomorrow. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009S14VSO/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
That looks cool. Let me know how you like it. It doesn't say anything about having a gel/silicone/rubber layer inside or at least in the corner. That is something I like so that it helps reduce shock from falls. My one bad fall, on my original iPhone, messed up something inside though externally there was no real damage. Apple replaced it for me since there was no damage they could see (and the failure did not happen immediately after the fall so I am guessing on the cause). Ever since then I have been a believer in shock absorbing cases.
Having said that, I may run my iPhone 5, once I get it, nekkid. I am careful and while my phones occasionally fall, they have all been minor, low distance falls, etc. And with AppleCare on it, if it gets really messed up I pay $50 and get a new one from Apple.
I never used a case or screen protector with any iphone I had before. I'm pretty good about not dropping phones or washing them. My wife averages a washed phone every 1.5 years and dropped my 4 once which cracked the glass in a corner. Luckily could still use it. Then she washed her 4, and used mine after I had gotten the GS3. Then she dropped that one (again), and it shattered it for good.
I've been using cases but not screen protectors. I try and be careful but things happen. But like I said, I may go naked on mine. The wife will get a case -- she wants one for practical reasons -- but I am not sure which one. I like the ones that have an inner layer of silicone/gel/rubber.
I'm interested in a report once you get your case you linked to above.
Thats good news on the discount. I just wish ATT would go back to the early upgrade for the iphone. I got the 3g, 3gs, and 4 all in a row with the subsidized price. Sometime after the 4 they went to 1 1/2 year for the 1st line and 2 years for the 2nd line. With how Apple releases stuff I'll now basically be on an every other release schedule for the subsidized price vs. upgrading with every release. Paying the same price for service as I was but getting a new phone yearly was a lot better 'deal' for service.
yeah. I know what you mean. The wife is getting upgraded from a 4, which she has had since it came out, so 2.5 years. I am not up yet as I explained, so will get one full price as a business expense. If I was not in the iPhone app business, I would not be doing that. I would do the every other year thing. Which in general, is fine I think.
It appears my wife's discount still charges an activation fee though :-( But it is 22% off the monthly charge still. The new data share programs don't give you 22% off the per-device charge, just the monthly data charge :-( but hey, it is $140 plus tax for 6GB for two iPhones, which is $20 cheaper than without and may get me to upgrade from my current family plan.... I'll have to kick my sister off my family plan since the dumb-phone price for the data share program is $30, which is way too much, but it is what it is.
Does your wife's program have an EPP (employee purchase program) for Apple products? My wife's program does. The iPhone is not included, nor the iPad mini, but all the other iPads are and it looks like all the Macs are too...
Think I will do the Apple Care thing now that I'll be using this phone for 2 years. Sounds like a good deal with up to 2 replacements for 50 bucks from accidental damage and the extended warranty coverage. My good buddy here got the insurance ATT offered they wanted a $200 deductible to replace an outdated phone. He was paying like $5 a month for that. If you use the phone 2 years thats $5x24=$220. The Apple Care plan is $99 and has a lot better coverage.
Yeah, it is not a bad deal. The no-questions-asked replacement for $50 is what gets me interested for high ticket items like the iPad.
I've bought AppleCare on my Macs with screens and gotten good service from it.
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Belmont31R
11-13-12, 21:28
That looks cool. Let me know how you like it. It doesn't say anything about having a gel/silicone/rubber layer inside or at least in the corner. That is something I like so that it helps reduce shock from falls. My one bad fall, on my original iPhone, messed up something inside though externally there was no real damage. Apple replaced it for me since there was no damage they could see (and the failure did not happen immediately after the fall so I am guessing on the cause). Ever since then I have been a believer in shock absorbing cases.
Having said that, I may run my iPhone 5, once I get it, nekkid. I am careful and while my phones occasionally fall, they have all been minor, low distance falls, etc. And with AppleCare on it, if it gets really messed up I pay $50 and get a new one from Apple.
I've been using cases but not screen protectors. I try and be careful but things happen. But like I said, I may go naked on mine. The wife will get a case -- she wants one for practical reasons -- but I am not sure which one. I like the ones that have an inner layer of silicone/gel/rubber.
I'm interested in a report once you get your case you linked to above.
yeah. I know what you mean. The wife is getting upgraded from a 4, which she has had since it came out, so 2.5 years. I am not up yet as I explained, so will get one full price as a business expense. If I was not in the iPhone app business, I would not be doing that. I would do the every other year thing. Which in general, is fine I think.
It appears my wife's discount still charges an activation fee though :-( But it is 22% off the monthly charge still. The new data share programs don't give you 22% off the per-device charge, just the monthly data charge :-( but hey, it is $140 plus tax for 6GB for two iPhones, which is $20 cheaper than without and may get me to upgrade from my current family plan.... I'll have to kick my sister off my family plan since the dumb-phone price for the data share program is $30, which is way too much, but it is what it is.
Does your wife's program have an EPP (employee purchase program) for Apple products? My wife's program does. The iPhone is not included, nor the iPad mini, but all the other iPads are and it looks like all the Macs are too...
Yeah, it is not a bad deal. The no-questions-asked replacement for $50 is what gets me interested for high ticket items like the iPad.
I've bought AppleCare on my Macs with screens and gotten good service from it.
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I can't really decide on cases between the minimalist stuff like what I linked to or the Otterbox stuff.
I had two of these for the GS3, and with how slick the phone was did a good job of basic protection while not increasing bulk much at all, and had a lot of 'feel'. It was a like a very fine suede finish. If Rock made something like this for the 5 I would be all over it. http://www.amazon.com/Rock-Quicksand-Composite-Poly-carbonate-Samsung/dp/B0089E283G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352862852&sr=8-1&keywords=rock+galaxy+s3
I got the Otterbox case at best buy. They overcharge like a mf'er but I just asked some employee walking by if they price match with Amazon and he said they do. That Commuter was 39.99 at BB and on Amazon it was $22.40. They price matched with me just showing them the Amazon price on my phone. They did have a pretty good selection of 5 cases there. Maybe just pull the case out of the package if you can without damaging anything and test fit. I would have on the Commuter but was running tight time wise to go pick my kids up from school.
I'll have to get her to log on to to her employee website tomorrow and see (she works M-T-W 6p-6a at the hospital) and see about the Apple pricing program. She would get the Apple student discount anyways being a full time university student. Kinda been mulling getting a rMBP next year but want to stick it out til they come with the Haswell Intel CPU's, and Apple does a '2nd gen' rMBR. I'll give her this laptop since she want's one anyways.
Actually did play with a Samsung ultrabook that had a touch screen and Win 8 yesterday. Definitely an interesting thing.
Seems like mixed reviews on the Mini. A lot of disappointed people with the hardware and screen they went with. I'm generally not a tablet guy and love laptops, though.
Seems like mixed reviews on the Mini. A lot of disappointed people with the hardware and screen they went with. I'm generally not a tablet guy and love laptops, though.
The iPad mini is way cool. Those people who are disappointed don't understand the costs associated with what they want. A Retina display mini would be outrageously expensive, as a retina display at that size is a lot harder than the larger full size iPad, for example. The manufacturing yields on such a screen would be very low.
The screen is not quite like a retina display (100ppi less) but it is higher than the iPad 2 and is not bad at all for every day use. If you have not used a retina display, you'd probably be just fine. The whiners are the spec-obsessed and not the every day users. I use my iPad mini more than my full size iPad due to being much lighter and handier. I have even started reading books on it (and I was not much in favor of e-books in the past).
The only thing "disappointing" about it is the lack of GPS in the wifi-only version, but it was expected as that is the same as the full size iPad. The reason is that Apple gets their GPS capability in the iPad in a combined chip that handles cellular data and GPS and not a separate GPS chip. Understandable, but disappointing.
I have a Macbook that I hardly use. The wife uses it some since the family Mac mini is used as a media center and not that comfortable to use as a regular computer, but I only use it when we do real traveling. I use the iPad or the iPhone for almost everything else. Or my office desktop. A mid 2008 Mac Pro (so 4.5 years old) with 4 screens :) . It is a few generations back in CPU but 8 cores of 3.0ghz Xenon ca 2008 is still not bad and I did put in a newer Radeon graphics card when my previous Nvidia quattro gave up the ghost.
Anyway, the AT&T manager who handles my wife's work account already responded tonight and put our account on the discount program and he said that the activation is actually waived on that program as well. We'll see when it comes time for me to upgrade. Right now we are still on the family plan. I will see about converting over.
Thanks again for the hint on the work discount possibilities. I really should have put 2+2 together ages ago.
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Belmont31R
11-13-12, 23:17
The iPad mini is way cool. Those people who are disappointed don't understand the costs associated with what they want. A Retina display mini would be outrageously expensive, as a retina display at that size is a lot harder than the larger full size iPad, for example. The manufacturing yields on such a screen would be very low.
The screen is not quite like a retina display (100ppi less) but it is higher than the iPad 2 and is not bad at all for every day use. If you have not used a retina display, you'd probably be just fine. The whiners are the spec-obsessed and not the every day users. I use my iPad mini more than my full size iPad due to being much lighter and handier. I have even started reading books on it (and I was not much in favor of e-books in the past).
The only thing "disappointing" about it is the lack of GPS in the wifi-only version, but it was expected as that is the same as the full size iPad. The reason is that Apple gets their GPS capability in the iPad in a combined chip that handles cellular data and GPS and not a separate GPS chip. Understandable, but disappointing.
I have a Macbook that I hardly use. The wife uses it some since the family Mac mini is used as a media center and not that comfortable to use as a regular computer, but I only use it when we do real traveling. I use the iPad or the iPhone for almost everything else. Or my office desktop. A mid 2008 Mac Pro (so 4.5 years old) with 4 screens :) . It is a few generations back in CPU but 8 cores of 3.0ghz Xenon ca 2008 is still not bad and I did put in a newer Radeon graphics card when my previous Nvidia quattro gave up the ghost.
Anyway, the AT&T manager who handles my wife's work account already responded tonight and put our account on the discount program and he said that the activation is actually waived on that program as well. We'll see when it comes time for me to upgrade. Right now we are still on the family plan. I will see about converting over.
Thanks again for the hint on the work discount possibilities. I really should have put 2+2 together ages ago.
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Was actually just in the Apple Store yesterday and didn't even think to check out the mini. Was playing around with the laptops, and it was packed so I didn't even think of it.
Glad you got the discount. Wife gave me the link for her work discount website. No Apple stuff. They had the same Samsung TV I got a couple months ago but Costco had the better deal. Some good discounts on hotels and theme parks.
May not be able to see this link. I have a paid WSJ subscription... http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324073504578115071154910456.html
Was actually just in the Apple Store yesterday and didn't even think to check out the mini. Was playing around with the laptops, and it was packed so I didn't even think of it.
I have not been IN an Apple store in months. I need to stop by one and take a look at the retina laptops. My main interest would be as a desktop replacement that I can take with me on those rare occasions I travel for a longer period of time, like when we visit the MIL. Not for real use as a laptop on a regular basis. But I got to drive 3 external screens with it ;) once you live with 2x30, 1x24, 1x20 screens, it is hard to go back.
Glad you got the discount. Wife gave me the link for her work discount website. No Apple stuff. They had the same Samsung TV I got a couple months ago but Costco had the better deal. Some good discounts on hotels and theme parks.
That is too bad. My wife's work had a link to a special edition of the Apple Store online with her company's name on it -- like the education store does when you tell them what school you are with.
One nice thing about our "home school". Since it really is a section of a public school that is run online, in my role as "learning coach" I can get the same discount that the teachers in that district get on Apple stuff. For some of the Macs, it is pretty significant. Not like I used to get in the Apple dev program (which they no longer give), but still worthwhile...
May not be able to see this link. I have a paid WSJ subscription... http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324073504578115071154910456.html
They let me see it. Thanks, that was interesting.
I personally have no interest in working at Apple in a development role since it would mean moving to Kali. No thanks. But I know some people there and they tend to be quite loyal because they tend to believe more in the product, and in the technology behind the product. It is more "fun" than a comparable job at Microsoft, for these people, because they believe in the underlying technology. Not true for everyone, but for the guys I know at Apple, it is...
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Belmont31R
11-14-12, 00:08
I have not been IN an Apple store in months. I need to stop by one and take a look at the retina laptops. My main interest would be as a desktop replacement that I can take with me on those rare occasions I travel for a longer period of time, like when we visit the MIL. Not for real use as a laptop on a regular basis. But I got to drive 3 external screens with it ;) once you live with 2x30, 1x24, 1x20 screens, it is hard to go back.
That is too bad. My wife's work had a link to a special edition of the Apple Store online with her company's name on it -- like the education store does when you tell them what school you are with.
One nice thing about our "home school". Since it really is a section of a public school that is run online, in my role as "learning coach" I can get the same discount that the teachers in that district get on Apple stuff. For some of the Macs, it is pretty significant. Not like I used to get in the Apple dev program (which they no longer give), but still worthwhile...
They let me see it. Thanks, that was interesting.
I personally have no interest in working at Apple in a development role since it would mean moving to Kali. No thanks. But I know some people there and they tend to be quite loyal because they tend to believe more in the product, and in the technology behind the product. It is more "fun" than a comparable job at Microsoft, for these people, because they believe in the underlying technology. Not true for everyone, but for the guys I know at Apple, it is...
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I would stay with the 15" since it has the dedicated Nvidia graphics card. The 13" is running graphics off the CPU (Intel 4000). The 13" base price also starts with 128gb for memory while the 15" starts at 256GB. $1699 vs $2199 but you get 2" more screen, the dedicated Nvidia graphics card, and double the SSD memory. To me the 13" should start closer to 1400.
My BIL works for Apple here in Austin. He has been with them since like 2007 or 2008. There is also a Google building and a Samsung plant. My buddy's wife works for IBM locally as well. We kinda got all the big boys in town. Cisco is around, too.
We actually have two Apple stores in Austin. One is in a mall on the other side of town, and one is in an open air mall type thing about 15 min away. Nice to have. There is an MS store in the same open air mall thing as Apple. Want to go play with a Surface tablet sometime this week.
Belmont31R
11-14-12, 00:41
This is what I referred to earlier. Just because there are newer, better versions of android you have to do the dos prompt crap to get it because the providers and manufactures have such crappy support. JB on the GS3 was supposed to be out in Sept. Now nearing end of Nov and nothing.
http://youtu.be/jSZJBokHi3c
I do subscribe on YouTube to their channel, and here is their GS3 vs. iPhone 5 video: http://youtu.be/P1UEraHDoAQ
I would stay with the 15" since it has the dedicated Nvidia graphics card. The 13" is running graphics off the CPU (Intel 4000). The 13" base price also starts with 128gb for memory while the 15" starts at 256GB. $1699 vs $2199 but you get 2" more screen, the dedicated Nvidia graphics card, and double the SSD memory. To me the 13" should start closer to 1400.
well, I would be looking at the 15" because I can stick 16GB of RAM in it and upgrade the processor a little more and a better processor.
I would go the 2.7ghz i7, 16GB, 768GB SSD. $$$ but also would become my main dev machine for the next 5+ years.
This is looking at the current ones. I would probably not be ready to buy until a gen2 is out anyway. I need to pay off my debts first and other things and my current 4.5 year old machine is working fine, though some things aggravate me.
I have seen demos of them actually driving 3 external monitors with one, even though it says 2 in the specs...
My BIL works for Apple here in Austin. He has been with them since like 2007 or 2008. There is also a Google building and a Samsung plant. My buddy's wife works for IBM locally as well. We kinda got all the big boys in town. Cisco is around, too.
We actually have two Apple stores in Austin. One is in a mall on the other side of town, and one is in an open air mall type thing about 15 min away. Nice to have. There is an MS store in the same open air mall thing as Apple. Want to go play with a Surface tablet sometime this week.
We have 2 here too (and one is in an open air mall, the other in a normal mall) plus a couple different Apple only resellers.
Let me know what you think of Surface. Personally I am not interested as I have no interest in Windows. But the MS take on things is interesting. Surface is not really a tablet in the current modern sense. It is more a super light and thin mobile notebook/laptop. I wish them well. They are at least trying new things.
ETA: I ordered this tonight for the wife's iPhone 5 -- http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0098S808Y/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00 . Hopefully it works like I expect and hope and is not too big and bulky
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Anyone know how to get the IMEI number off an Iphone 4 without a SIM card in it? Phone is passed contract so I want to get AT&T to unlock it (one shouldn't have to go through all that once past contract but I digress...) so I can sell it but it does not have a card in it so wont let me past the set up menu to get to the settings->IMEI number AT&T requires to unlock the dang phone.
Try
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In the phone app
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Belmont31R
11-14-12, 17:19
Got the Elago case today. Pretty good and covers the area of the phone I want covered and none that I don't. The AL back insert makes it feel like you are still holding the phone, and its a bit more comfortable to hold than the bare phone. The little strip that goes between the screen and buttons has some flex but not enough to touch the buttons. Not a lot of room there to get any real meat on the case. I would give the overall quality a 9/10 for being a basic shell/case, and also considering the cost.
Ordered this today. Seems pretty close to the Rock case/shell I had for the GS3. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0096L2ULG/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
Went to the Apple Store today and got a spare Lightning cable, and played with the ipad mini. I want one but will wait til it has retina and a better chip. The screen was good...but retina is better enough for me to wait. Never been a tablet guy, and the regular sized one is too big. I'll just use a laptop at that size but the 7.9" one was a good size to play around on. Form factor was very nice.
Edit: Found a setting to turn LTE off. Ill see if it seems like the battery lasts longer.
Got the Elago case today. Pretty good and covers the area of the phone I want covered and none that I don't. The AL back insert makes it feel like you are still holding the phone, and its a bit more comfortable to hold than the bare phone. The little strip that goes between the screen and buttons has some flex but not enough to touch the buttons. Not a lot of room there to get any real meat on the case. I would give the overall quality a 9/10 for being a basic shell/case, and also considering the cost.
Ordered this today. Seems pretty close to the Rock case/shell I had for the GS3. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0096L2ULG/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
hmm, interesting. Report back when you get it.
I don't quite know what I like in a case. I like the Magpul one on my 4S as it is not in the way. The mute switch thing is annoying but one of these days I will trim that area with a hobby knife and that will fix that issue I think. But I want something that will cushion the phone and also spread the force of a fall out over the case instead of into the phone. Hard to tell which cases will do that by reading about them on Amazon or where ever.
Went to the Apple Store today and got a spare Lightning cable, and played with the ipad mini. I want one but will wait til it has retina and a better chip. The screen was good...but retina is better enough for me to wait. Never been a tablet guy, and the regular sized one is too big. I'll just use a laptop at that size but the 7.9" one was a good size to play around on. Form factor was very nice.
Will be interesting to see if it gets a Retina next time, on the gen 2 iPad mini update next year. Probably will. But those are darn small pixels and that is a LOT of pixels for that physically small screen. Right now it is probably cost prohibitive to get reasonable manufacturing yields. Apple need millions of screens...
Hopefully they do next gen retina on the iPad mini...
Edit: Found a setting to turn LTE off. Ill see if it seems like the battery lasts longer.
I had an iPhone 3GS, a 4 and a 4S, I also had an iPad and used it everyday for nearly two years... I replaced them all with Android devices.
I switched to a Samsung Galaxy S3 and Galaxy Note 10.1" tablet and I couldn't be happier. I will never go back to a "i" products, (although I did keep the iPod in my car, due to the interface with my car's touch screen), but I wish I could get rid of everything Apple. They are a PITA I really don't like having to have iTunes on my PC just to manage the iPod in the car...
Anyway, there is a reason Android phones and now Tablets are out selling iPhones and iPads by a large number today, and dominate the market place.
I recently sat down with a buddy who has the iPhone 5 and an iPad 3 and compared them to the Samsung Galaxy S3 and the Galaxy Note and the reality is that after running through basic operations (we both work in the same fields, so we use them for similar tasks) he was quite amazed at the Android devices and said he too will be checking out the competition next time.
And don't get me started on the prices Apple charges for all their accessories...
https://www.m4carbine.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=14133&stc=1&d=1352943442
Cameron
Glad you like them. Carry on.
I had an iPhone 3GS, a 4 and a 4S, I also had an iPad and used it everyday for nearly two years... I replaced them all with Android devices.
I switched to a Samsung Galaxy S3 and Galaxy Note 10.1" tablet and I couldn't be happier. I will never go back to a "i" products, (although I did keep the iPod in my car, due to the interface with my car's touch screen), but I wish I could get rid of everything Apple. They are a PITA I really don't like having to have iTunes on my PC just to manage the iPod in the car...
Anyway, there is a reason Android phones and now Tablets are out selling iPhones and iPads by a large number today, and dominate the market place.
I recently sat down with a buddy who has the iPhone 5 and an iPad 3 and compared them to the Samsung Galaxy S3 and the Galaxy Note and the reality is that after running through basic operations (we both work in the same fields, so we use them for similar tasks) he was quite amazed at the Android devices and said he too will be checking out the competition next time.
And don't get me started on the prices Apple charges for all their accessories...
https://www.m4carbine.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=14133&stc=1&d=1352943442
Cameron
I had an iPhone 3GS, a 4 and a 4S, I also had an iPad and used it everyday for nearly two years... I replaced them all with Android devices.
Great, now start your own thread on those devices. This thread is about IPhones and those who use them, etc. Not about other brands.
I start a thread for those using DD ARs, and you pop in and say "I got rid of all my DD stuff, now use X rifle 'cause it's better, etc, etc" and post an insulting pic on why DD users are idiots.
And the response you'd get would be??? It's like that. :rolleyes:
Great, now start your own thread on those devices. This thread is about IPhones and those who use them, etc. Not about other brands.
I start a thread for those using DD ARs, and you pop in and say "I got rid of all my DD stuff, now use X rifle 'cause it's better, etc, etc" and post an insulting pic on why DD users are idiots.
And the response you'd get would be??? It's like that. :rolleyes:
And by the way, that graphics he posted has to be one of the more stupid ones I have seen.
In most cases, there are not even accessories equivalent to the iPhone/iPad compatible accessories available. Why? Because those devices are stuck on micro USB connections, which is a least common denominator type. Some Android phones are now implementing new specs for special USB extensions, but they are no where near universally supported or have many meaningful accessories that work with them.
As an example: digital I/O and midi interfaces. A billion for iOS devices. Maybe a few very simple USB computer ones that may have some Android support.
Another: Credit Card readers. The only ones I know of are the ones like Square which interface through headphone jack. These are not that reliable, often take several swipes for the cards to be recognized, and provide a less useful user experience (you general cannot tell when it is plugged in and have to hit a swipe button -- iOS 30pin port card readers tell the device when they are plugged in and will work without having the user have to hit a swipe button or go into swipe mode).
While there are lots of music docks for Android phones now, they usually require you to plug in cables to both the headphone jack and the usb port for them to work -- not drop in and play compatibility.
And countless others examples.
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Belmont31R
11-15-12, 15:49
The thing about the cost of the accessories is...they work for a long time. We've had the 30 pin connectors last 3-4 years before they had to be replaced.
Micro USB sucks. We've had 5 cords either bought or came with phones, and 2 of them are already broke. I'd rather pay 20 bucks for a cord that will last a few years than 3-4 bucks for one that doesn't last 2 months.
The Lightning connector looks very durable...time will tell...but I think based on the design they should be just as durable if not more. And I'm sure if I ever had trouble with one Apple would replace it for free no questions asked. They replaced a 4 at no charge even after she was honest with them and told them she washed hers. Just gave her a NIB phone, and with icloud backups she had the phone back to how her washed one was within 5-10 minutes.
Belmont31R
11-16-12, 16:52
Got that Amzer case and love it. Exactly what I was looking for. :D
Belmont31R
11-27-12, 00:45
iTunes 11 and ios 6.1 beta 3 (for developers) are supposed to be coming this week. Hope iTunes 11 works well out of the box. Was supposed to be out last month.
Still liking the 5 and my wife likes the S3 so all is well here.
We're in Anaheim CA for a week at Disneyland. Was using the iOS 6 maps to get around. It has worked perfectly, except for one thing that happened tonight.
We were going to a Walmart to get some grocery items and inexpensive Disney souvenirs and the turn-by-turn directions got me there, except that the point it was getting me to was in the middle of the on/off ramp that went alongside the Walmart parking lot. I figured out what was up before I went back down the on ramp. Otherwise it has gotten us exactly where we needed to go around town.
Wife is loving her 5 and my sister and BIL just got 5s (their forst smart phones) and seem to be loving them as well. I added them onto my shared data plan which I just converted to.
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Belmont31R
11-27-12, 01:07
We're in Anaheim CA for a week at Disneyland. Was using the iOS 6 maps to get around. It has worked perfectly, except for one thing that happened tonight.
We were going to a Walmart to get some grocery items and inexpensive Disney souvenirs and the turn-by-turn directions got me there, except that the point it was getting me to was in the middle of the on/off ramp that went alongside the Walmart parking lot. I figured out what was up before I went back down the on ramp. Otherwise it has gotten us exactly where we needed to go around town.
Wife is loving her 5 and my sister and BIL just got 5s (their forst smart phones) and seem to be loving them as well. I added them onto my shared data plan which I just converted to.
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What size plan did you get or gb averaged out per phone?
I've been checking both our phones, and although this month won't be a full month we're both still well under 1GB each so the 6GB plan should leave us with plenty of leeway. I was 100% certain I setup our home wifi on hers but I was downloading google voice for her virtual vm and saw it didn't have the wifi logo thing up top. Didn't have to the PW in again but it didn't auto connect for some reason.
Used the Apple maps a few times in Austin and not had any issues.
I did get iTunes match, and for some reason the iTunes default settings were not set to auto download new apps, music or videos. I fixed that but seems like those should be default. Only other issue is I have the laptop and PC. Are you basically locked to one PC to sync with? I synced to my desktop (normally sync to my laptop), and despite all the configurations it really messed up my phone with app locations, erased music, ect. Is there a way to get both PC's in sync so I can plug in the phone to either one, and not worry about losing anything or messing the phone up?
Follow up, been using the S4 for some time now. The S4 is clearly superior to the 4 and I have no major complaints, but I have to admit I wish I had the 5. Oh well. :cool:
I bought my 4S 14 Oct 2011 love it. Will be buying the 5 By end of May when I get better upgrade price. Plus with the 5S rumors out by mid 2013. I'll wait for that.
What size plan did you get or gb averaged out per phone?
I went with the 10gb for now. I was going for the 6GB but with my sister and BIL being added, it saves us $20 on the per phone charge ($30 vs $35), it ended up being $10 to get 4GB more and with the wife's discount, it is even better.
I have no idea how much we'll actually use. I was not using that much on my unlimited and the wife just had a 250mb plan so was not using it much, so we'll be able to loosen up some. And with the mobile hotspot being part of the plan, I'll use the iPads out and about as well as needed, and I have no idea how much my sister and BIL will end up using.
I've been checking both our phones, and although this month won't be a full month we're both still well under 1GB each so the 6GB plan should leave us with plenty of leeway. I was 100% certain I setup our home wifi on hers but I was downloading google voice for her virtual vm and saw it didn't have the wifi logo thing up top. Didn't have to the PW in again but it didn't auto connect for some reason.
Used the Apple maps a few times in Austin and not had any issues.
been working fine for me here in Anaheim. Got us to the hotel the first night just fine, to church services and back on Sunday, to Walmart (with the one caveat I mentioned), and tonight lead us straight to Todai and back.
I did get iTunes match, and for some reason the iTunes default settings were not set to auto download new apps, music or videos. I fixed that but seems like those should be default. Only other issue is I have the laptop and PC. Are you basically locked to one PC to sync with? I synced to my desktop (normally sync to my laptop), and despite all the configurations it really messed up my phone with app locations, erased music, ect. Is there a way to get both PC's in sync so I can plug in the phone to either one, and not worry about losing anything or messing the phone up?
As far as I know, you should really only sync with one PC or Mac. Plugging in to another one will ask you if you want to sync as you are currently synced with another. You should probably not do it. The idea, as far as I understand it, is one PC/Mac is "master" and is what holds the definitive setup for you, so syncing against another messes that up. I only have ever tried against my main Mac since my laptop does not get used much so I've never had the need. So I cannot speak with any authority.
There is probably an Apple tech note on the subject.
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Belmont31R
11-29-12, 01:32
Well not an issue anymore. Put my desktop up on CL and sold it for what I was asking. :D
So...ended up using part of the money to get an iPad 4. I hardly ever used the desktop, and figured I would sell it before the parts went out of date. I basically got about 85% of my money back on it which isn't bad.
As much as I like the size and form of the mini the screen wasn't doing it for me. Spent about 10 minutes with both, and decided to just get the full sized Retina.
Belmont31R
11-29-12, 01:38
I bought my 4S 14 Oct 2011 love it. Will be buying the 5 By end of May when I get better upgrade price. Plus with the 5S rumors out by mid 2013. I'll wait for that.
You'll like the bigger screen a lot. The extra row of apps makes all the difference.
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You'll like the bigger screen a lot. The extra row of apps makes all the difference.
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Still no YouTube app update to take advantage of it! George is getting upset
Belmont31R
11-29-12, 02:09
Still no YouTube app update to take advantage of it! George is getting upset
lol yeah. Google is dragging ass there. About half my apps are not sized correctly yet...
Belmont31R
11-29-12, 15:19
Itunes 11 is out. Just go to apple.com and click on itunes...:)
You'll like the bigger screen a lot. The extra row of apps makes all the difference.
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I played with one a couple of weeks at at an Apple store. I like the 16:9 while watching movie clips compared to my 4S. Plus how lite and thin the 5 is. Plus the speed.
Belmont31R
12-04-12, 16:07
YouTube app update came out today with iphone 5 and iPad support as well as Pages, Keynote, and Numbers have updates. For PC the iCloud Control Panel has an update.
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YouTube app update came out today with iphone 5
MUCH better
MUCH better
Have not tried it on the phone but the iPad version is very nice.
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Pretty cool idea for FaceTime or video recording:
http://m.techcrunch.com/2011/11/09/meet-swivl-the-motion-tracking-iphone-dock-that-always-keeps-you-on-camera/
Belmont31R
12-05-12, 08:34
Have not tried it on the phone but the iPad version is very nice.
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Noticed there is no option to adjust the video display quality and appears to not be showing in HD. Kinda unfortunate given we are into the 2nd generation of Retina iPads now and most are being used over wifi.
All in all I got about 8 different updates yesterday. Starbucks is iPhone 5 optimized now if you use that. USAA says iPhone 5 optimized app is coming soon.
Also iOS 6.1 beta 3 was pushed out so we should see 6.1 next month. Supposed to introduce some notification bar updates and add some stuff to the lock screen.
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Belmont31R
12-07-12, 16:16
More updates for at least iOS iWork apps like Pages today.
Also here is the Tim Cook NBC interview: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/12/07/tim-cook-speaks-about-apple-maps-samsung-and-apples-future-in-tv-interview-with-brian-williams/
Lots of executive changes and firings in the past few months. The guy responsible for Maps is gone as is the guy who headed iOS. A lot people feel it's getting stagnant and needs some new direction. Can't say I have many gripes with 6 so far but not all that much different from when 4 or 5 came out.
Some things I'd like to see is more lock screen options as well as a cleaner settings menu. Stuff is just scattered as they've gone through different itterations and you have sub menu's and such that can make it difficult to get to a specific setting. Maybe some more notification menu changes. Not android like but right now it doesn't seem to be doing much.
Now having used the iPad for a bit I'd like to see more similar placements of buttons between the two. For instance if I to the App store and do an update the 'update all' button are on opposite corners between the two. Going back and forth between the two I notice this quite a bit...strictly speaking of Apple apps...where things don't quite match up. I'd like to see stuff thats common to both platforms work in a more similar fashion.
I'd also like to be able to get texts in iMessage from non iOS users, and have them converted from iMessage to regular texts through the phone at least when both devices are on the same wifi network, and the iPad could send it to the phone which sends it as a regular text. Right now I can text iOS users over the iPad but no one else. Kinds limits the usefulness of iMessage on the iPad because not everyone is using an Apple product. Can you text non iOS users on the iPad 4G capable versions?
Lots of executive changes and firings in the past few months. The guy responsible for Maps is gone as is the guy who headed iOS. A lot people feel it's getting stagnant and needs some new direction. Can't say I have many gripes with 6 so far but not all that much different from when 4 or 5 came out.
Some things I'd like to see is more lock screen options as well as a cleaner settings menu. Stuff is just scattered as they've gone through different itterations and you have sub menu's and such that can make it difficult to get to a specific setting. Maybe some more notification menu changes. Not android like but right now it doesn't seem to be doing much.
Agreed on all points. They could make iOS look much nicer without doing much to improve functionality and it would make a tremendous difference. That being said, they shouldn't do anything to aesthetics if its going to bog down the devices processor.
I finally got an iPhone 5 yesterday. I went an unusual route. I have some iPhone 5 compatible projects coming up so I decided to bite the bullet after getting paid a down payment on a project I have been asked to help out with.
Since I am not yet up for a "cheap" upgrade, I had to buy one at full non-subsidized pricing. I went to the Apple Store and purchased the Verizon model in black, even though I am on AT&T. I then marched over to the AT&T store and asked them for a nano-SIM to convert my AT&T model iPhone 4S over to this Verizon iPhone 5. They looked at me funny but I assured them it was kosher. They converted it and put the SIM in for me and set the device in their system to the new iPhone 5 (using the IMEI number, which of course their system does not recognize -- this was a mistake to do).
Low and behold, the phone does find AT&T towers and connects and I can make and receive phone calls. I leave and go home.
(This works because the Verizon model is the same, basically, as the international model and includes full GSM/UMTS/HSPA+ support, just like the AT&T model does, in addition to the Verizon CDMA/EVDO stuff. The difference between the AT&T model and the Verizon model, mostly, is the LTE bands that each is tuned for. Verizon model CANNOT pick up the AT&T LTE bands, so I am "stuck" with the fast HSPA stuff from AT&T that I had on the iPhone 4S. Even though LTE was turned on officially this week in Salt Lake City, going by the wife's AT&T iPhone 5, we don't get it where I live, and I work from home most of the time, so the loss of LTE is of little consequence at the moment. My next phone purchase will be with the "cheap" subsidized new iPhone when it comes out in a year and I will get the LTE then. Verizon does NOT lock their SIM card slot so I can use this with AT&T and cheap prepaid SIMs when I travel internationally and my phone has the international LTE bands for when I travel and am more likely going to want faster data if possible.)
Now the problems started. I noticed last night that the "Personal Hotspot" feature was not turned on anymore and that the Voicemail was not the "Visual Voicemail" but was standard call in voicemail like most any phone has. I logged in to ATT website and noticed that my device was listed as a normal [generic] smartphone without visual voicemail. So I get on an ATT support chat window and ask them to put the iPhone designation back on my account and this number/device. No problem I am told. They want the SIM card number, the IMEI number, etc. I give it all. No dice. I get escalated to a higher level of tech support. They try and then tell me it cannot be done. Their system does not recognize the IMEI number and the system auto-selects the appropriate account/device type based on that. There is no human addressable setting they can flip (stupid system) and they cannot manually set a phone type for the IMEI number. I thank them and get off the chat.
I then get the wife's iPhone 5 (a real AT&T model) and put the SIM in my iPhone 5 and boot it and it works but it too has old style voicemail. Her SIM card is linked in the system to her iPhone 5 so it is still listed as an iPhone account, not generic smartphone. Then after about 2-3 minutes it comes up and tells me the voicemail password is bad. I put in her voicemail password and low and behold, Visual Voicemail is working on her number / SIM in my Verizon phone. This clues me in. The IMEI number is used to set a static-in-their-system setting of what type of account it is. It is not done dynamically when you connect to their towers or make a call or anything. A Ha.
I have a nano-SIM to micro-SIM adapter I got on Amazon (like $1.33 SHIPPED -- and quite nice and actually came with a nano-SIM to regular SIM and micro-SIM to regular SIM adapter as well). So I stuck my new AT&T nano-SIM into my iPhone 4S using the adapter. I call AT&T tech support (at 1am -- they seem to be 24/7 now) and tell them I no longer have visual voicemail. Guy gets my iPhone 4S IMEI number and resets the account. The account type is a generic "iPhone" account while the wife's is an "iPhone with 4G LTE" but since I can't use the LTE anyway I am happy. Visual voicemail works on the iPhone 4S as does the Personal Hotspot.
I talk to the guy a little to probe a little on how the system works to confirm my suspicions, and thank him and hang up.
Out goes the SIM from the iPhone 4S to the iPhone 5. Personal Hotspot now works. No Visual Voicemail. I wait, and try a few times as it took a minute of three for my wife's SIM card to trigger the password request and revert to Visual Voicemail. No dice. I swap SIMs around a few times back and forth. Am about to give up and just say screw it and take the phone back to Apple and get a real factory unlocked phone. When, low and behold, one last try, and it DOES ask me for the voicemail password with my SIM in my phone and poof, now I have Visual Voicemail.
So I am where I wanted to be. It works in all respects except LTE on AT&T and since I don't really care about LTE at the moment, it not being in my neighborhood anyway and when I am out and about in the city I am looking up email and prices and stuff and the LTE advantage does not really buy me much, but I have a phone with unlocked SIM and Euro/Intl LTE bands.
I only recommend going down this path if you have an existing iPhone 4 or 4S on your account at AT&T and you can get them to give you the nano-SIM card without taking the device and sticking the IMEI number into their system. You need to leave your old iPhone IMEI number in their system. Their system uses it statically to set up features and stuff and not dynamically so there is no real harm in it. And you need their system to know that you have an iPhone in order to get the iPhone support you want. (For years I had phones other than what they thought based on IMEI when I was with T-Mobile as I would buy a new phone and swap SIM cards without telling them. No problems in day to day use).
The phone is nice and light and zippy. I am using it naked for now. My wife is giving me a little grief over it since it was expensive and is "not protected". She has a case on her iPhone 5. But I got the AppleCare on it and generally treat my stuff well so I think I will be OK and I get to enjoy the nice and thin and light weight feel of it.
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Agreed on all points. They could make iOS look much nicer without doing much to improve functionality and it would make a tremendous difference. That being said, they shouldn't do anything to aesthetics if its going to bog down the devices processor.
With Jony Ives in charge of the SW design (look and feel, not interior architecture) I think we may have some nice love coming in the future with regards this...
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Belmont31R
12-08-12, 00:07
I finally got an iPhone 5 yesterday. I went an unusual route. I have some iPhone 5 compatible projects coming up so I decided to bite the bullet after getting paid a down payment on a project I have been asked to help out with.
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That's probably a good way to go for international travelers.
We have LTE here, and I did notice a bit less battery usage turning LTE off but not enough to be worth it, and with the personal hotspot I can use that to get the iPad internet access while away from home. Works really together but usually takes about a minute for them to 'hook up'. But HSPA+ should be fine for most stuff, anyways, as you know.
I had do something similar before with a sim. When I shut a 2nd line down my phone stopped getting texts on my line. I could send but not receive. I put my sim in another phone, and it was raining texts for a few minutes. Put the sim back in my phone and I started getting texts again. For whatever reason their system can get hung up on something, and swapping the sim to a different phone fixes the issues.
Did have a billing issue with our 'new' ATT account. Got the email saying our bill was now online, look at it, and it says $269! :eek: I start going through it line by line and the cocksucker salesman at the ATT store added their insurance and device support fee to my line and they charged me the activation fee. I called at like 4AM, and found out we have 'enterprise support' and got a dot indian on the line. He credited our account for the activation fee and the bogus insurance crap. Took the bill down to 208 which is just because of when we added my line. Next one should be 140 something. But only took a few minutes to get the credits and they showed up instantly.
That Ive is now in charge of a large number of Apple products. Hope he can handle all that's on his plate.
Also reading T-Mobile is going to a rate plan that adds a line item for the phone subsidy as opposed to charging 'one rate' whether you have a subsidized phone currently or not. This is always something that's bugged me about ATT. Once your contract is up the rates don't go down at all, and Im sure there's a ton of people out there who are paying the same as they were when they got several hundred dollars worth of phone paid for over the course of their contract. I think the phone subsidy should be a line item that is taken off at the 2yr mark, and after that the bill should reflect the fact you are no longer getting the subsidized rate. Of course because of this I end up getting a new phone (and contract) when I can so I'm at least getting some extra out how much service costs. You're basically getting $450 of phone cost (650 minus the 200 cost to me up front) spead out over 2 years. Works out to ~$20 a month. With two phones that is $40 a month so our bill is basically $105 a month or $52.50 a line. Not too bad, really, when some of the better Wal Mart pre-paid stuff is 40-50 a month and doesn't have as good of support or features.
ETA: Just reading Apple and Google are teaming up to put in a bid of around $500 million to buy (now bankrupt) Kodak's patents. Very cool, and wouldn't expect such huge rivals to do something like this.
ETA2: Griffin now has lightning cables which are officially licensed: http://store.griffintechnology.com/iphone/iphone-5/lightning-connector-cables Going to get the coiled one for the car.
Belmont31R
12-13-12, 02:22
Google has finally released the Google Maps app! Looks and works great...just wish I could set it to the default mapping app...:(
Supposed to be a iPad version soon, too...:D
Google has finally released the Google Maps app! Looks and works great...just wish I could set it to the default mapping app...:(
Supposed to be a iPad version soon, too...:D
On my way
Eta: it's nice! There's my default maps app from now on! Very speedy, with a very simple interface.
I've been getting good battery life on my iPhone 5.
Been playing Infinity Blade (I) a bunch, including several hours at a time over the weekend. Have not yet run down the battery though came close a couple times. My previous iPhones would run down faster when playing lots of graphics intensive games. Now, after a long session of playing (trying hard to avoid it :-) ) the battery is down a little.
And the feel of the thing in the hand is quite nice. All around a very nice upgrade. The iPhone 4S was no slouch and very nice. This is just a step up.
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Good too hear on Batt life while playing IB 1. I have IB2 on my 4S. Will be picking the 5 or 5S within the next 6 months.
Belmont31R
12-13-12, 18:21
iTunes 11.0.1 just came out. Supposed to be a few fixes in there.
I used Google Maps today, and playing the voice turn by turn directions while also streaming music it was a bit glitchy. She would get a couple words out, and then a couple seconds later finish the directions. When not playing music it was fine. So I expect that will be fixed. This is version 1.0 so it's going to have a few hangups. This was with the phone connected to the car via BlueTooth.
Here is a video I found informative on some of the gestures and features of Google Maps: http://youtu.be/opGiiKqjxdw
Belmont31R
12-19-12, 05:58
iOS 6.0.2 is out...only for iphone 5 and ipad mini.
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