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Let me preface this all by saying that I rarely indulge in M4C GD, let alone start a thread in it....however I just flushed $3.99 down the toilet on easily the most biased, unorganized, and quite frankly bat shit crazy "documentary" I've ever seen. After seeing this trash, I took 30min. or so to find out who the man was behind the film prior to posting this thread.
Really the only thing I'll actually pay for is documentaries...I'm far from any kind of film expert, however I'd venture to guess that very few on this site have wasted the countless amt's of money I have on just about every subject that could be made into a documentary.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51tC7zcdkoL._SX500_.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRbqMGtvQD0
I spent the $3.99 expecting to get by in large a Fahrenheit 9/11, or one of the other Micheal Moore recent political propaganda pieces labeled under the guise of a documentary.
I truly never thought any one filmmaker/or man for that matter could be as overly biased, arrogant, and generally ignorant outside of one way of very strict thinking than Moore. However imho, this little man from the land of India would have given Goebbles a real run for his money, let alone MM.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Dinesh_DSouza_speaking_at_CPAC_2012_cropped.jpg/220px-Dinesh_DSouza_speaking_at_CPAC_2012_cropped.jpg
I know some will still defend the crazy talk from this film, but how somebody can support the filmmaker's general ideology, and world view is nothing short of eye opening.
Career stats:
Books..
2007 What's so Great about Christianity
2009 Life After Death: The Evidence
After turning on the world to Christianity in book 1, he somehow found "Evidence" to support an after life in book 2...(we apparently have very different ideas of evidence), which finally gave him the knowledge to tackle one of mankind's most epic questions when confronting faith.......his 2012 book titled Godforsaken which settles for us how a benevolent God could allow evil and suffering in the world.
Political ideology aside, the film is an absolute insult to the art of documentary filmmaking even when some are clearly openly biased towards a view up front like Micheal Moore's piece of shit films.
Sorry for the rant, but it really burned my ass knowing that I in some minor way paid for that little crazy man's lifestyle.
Littlelebowski
10-13-12, 07:03
I've never liked Dinesh ever since I watched him try to debate Daniel Dennett.
If you want informed, non hyper right wing commentary, read http://reason.com/blog
Have only seen a few minutes of it in a clip of his interview with Mahr. Wasn't enough to give a full scope, but I was disappointed to see a reference here regarding his implication of some national or even global scheme to enable radical Islam.
I saw the film. He takes Obama's own book and examines it from a perspective most native born Americans could not, 20th Century Post Colonialism.
LL, thanks for the link....anything with "reason" in the title is most likely where I fit in.
To support American Colonialism in today's world is pretty amazing considering that most would blame America's bad world rep/current foreign policy positions on the fact we mingle in everybody's shit, and have a military base in everyone's backyard.
In the second chapter of What's So Great About America D'Souza defends colonialism, arguing that the problem with Africa is not that it was colonized, but rather that it was not colonized long enough.
Imagine if we had to run Africa currently....f**k that!
I'm convinced for the radical muslims, and folks like D'Souza...this thing has nothing to do with policy or politics, but rather some epic religious war b/t radical Muslims, and hardcore Christians. They feel their playing on a divine level, the grandiosity in their world view is something I could never grasp.
Littlelebowski
10-13-12, 19:51
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/10/opinion/rand-paul-romney-foreign-policy/index.html
Littlelebowski
10-13-12, 19:55
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/baxshep/8d8f49d9adb70c0dad982c45510f3bdd.jpg
however I just flushed $3.99 down the toilet on easily the most biased, unorganized, and quite frankly bat shit crazy "documentary" I've ever seen. After seeing this trash, I took 30min. or so to find out who the man was behind the film prior to posting this thread.
Really the only thing I'll actually pay for is documentaries...I'm far from any kind of film expert, however I'd venture to guess that very few on this site have wasted the countless amt's of money I have on just about every subject that could be made into a documentary.
The film is enormously successful, and filled with perfectly accurate, and otherwise almost totally unreported facts about Hussein Obama and his nebulous personal history.
Your op really comes off as just extrordinarily self-absorbed, I mean really, the entire media/pop-culture apparatus of the USA, education/electronic & print, all of it, NBC/ABC/CBS/NY-Times/Washington Post/NPR/NPT all of Hollywood, the entire pop-music industry, the public school system, liberal arts colleges, ect..ect..ect, have done everything in their considerable power to smite anyone who happens to ask an intelligent question about this guy,and you're what, insulted because its not up to your "ahh" personal standard? Isn't it enough that its all true?
I have few doubt as to how you voted in 08, and likely, you'll be duplicating it again next month....:rolleyes:
GeorgiaBoy
10-14-12, 02:52
. . . facts about Hussein Obama . . .
The fact that you call him that kind of undermines any credibility of your argument...
The fact that you call him that kind of undermines any credibility of your argument...
Not read many of his posts, have you?
GeorgiaBoy
10-14-12, 03:14
Not read many of his posts, have you?
Oh yes, my fair share.. I just like pointing out the stuff that truly irks me, though.
Nightvisionary
10-14-12, 04:13
Trident, I have not seen the movie but I would like to. You spent alot of time making your post but you don't give us any facts to consider.
Your post is full of comments labeling the movie as biased but you haven't given us any specifics as to why the film is untruthful or incorrect.
The film is enormously successful, and filled with perfectly accurate, and otherwise almost totally unreported facts about Hussein Obama and his nebulous personal history.
Your op really comes off as just extrordinarily self-absorbed, I mean really, the entire media/pop-culture apparatus of the USA, education/electronic & print, all of it, NBC/ABC/CBS/NY-Times/Washington Post/NPR/NPT all of Hollywood, the entire pop-music industry, the public school system, liberal arts colleges, ect..ect..ect, have done everything in their considerable power to smite anyone who happens to ask an intelligent question about this guy,and you're what, insulted because its not up to your "ahh" personal standard? Isn't it enough that its all true?
I have few doubt as to how you voted in 08, and likely, you'll be duplicating it again next month....:rolleyes:
The film has been successful WITHOUT a single MSM morning talk show interview, nothing from the MSM. It is the #2 political documentary if what I've read is accurate. Imagine for a micro second that this was a Mike Moore movie. First he would have been given publicity prior to the release and other interviews/publicity while it was out.
Anyway, the run down of post colonial Kenya (and other nations) was very interesting and how Obama's father worked within that environment - to move socialist/communist. Keep in mind one staple of Soviet doctrine was to push for the independents of colonial states well before they were ready for self governance.
Then there was the part of the movie that described how Obama's mother idolized his father despite the fact he left them throughout his boyhood.
The part of the movie with Obama's 1/2 brother George was very telling. He compared the freedom and prosperity of South Africa to Kenya's. He said it may have been better for Kenya to keep the Brits longer and not reject all things Western like capitalism.
Trident, I have not seen the movie but I would like to. You spent alot of time making your post but you don't give us any facts to consider.
Your post is full of comments labeling the movie as biased but you haven't given us any specifics as to why the film is untruthful or incorrect.
To be perfectly honest with you and whomever else....I now fully regret posting this thread, and clearly my basis for ever doing so was based on my own world/political/whatever views.
The film is just bullshit propaganda, that was put into a very serious, non fiction category. Ultimately the reason I hit submit button was because of who put the film together, and what he stood for.
I am glad for the info gained in LL's post though. Again, I knew way better than to post this highly subjective rant of mine, but that little man from India's privileged elitist class would literally snuff out everything that I still consider great or can be great again about America. I'll never let another fellow man try to rule either me, or my family based on their higher power's authority. He represents all that is anti-freedom/anti free-will IMHO!
Truly my apologies for the off the wall rant.
What is the issue Trident? Is it the $3.99? Or the fact that you spent a few minutes of your life watching something that you ultimately disagreed with? Or maybe you truly are worried about the "little man from India" and his clan coming to get you and your family?
You posted your opinion of the film here in a reasonable way and acted like it was one of the riskiest things you've ever done, this while I think most just noted your opinion and now maybe they will attempt to better understand the film if they so choose. It's really no big deal.
No problem, but usually I try my hardest to keep out of GD discussions because your political, religious, or otherwise non firearm/tactics related views/opinions can follow you into the real sub forums on M4C. For example I disregard someone's excellent info in AR GD simply because I hated his political opinion or view in a GD thread.
If I hadn't taken the 30min. after watching the film to research the dude behind it, I could have controlled the impulsive need to spout off my own ideology or whatever I ended up doing here in this thread.
GD has a way of dividing members on here that I don't believe would occur in the face to face real world, as some of my closest friends (non internet friends:D) believe in lots of what this Dinesh stands for.
but that little man from India's privileged elitist class would literally snuff out everything that I still consider great or can be great again about America.
A remarkable bit of sophistry....Fascinating how in this political environment, where anyone, and I mean anyone, who dares ask after that mans nebulous past, is slandered out of hand, you would find it within you to "rant" at the one piece of "solid vetting" to get past the goal keepers of marxism!
Further, you now you appear to be attempting to refute the films central premise, well, can you refute it? Cites? :rolleyes:
Let me preface this all by saying that I rarely indulge in M4C GD, let alone start a thread in it....however I just flushed $3.99 down the toilet on easily the most biased, unorganized, and quite frankly bat shit crazy "documentary" I've ever seen. After seeing this trash, I took 30min. or so to find out who the man was behind the film prior to posting this thread.
Really the only thing I'll actually pay for is documentaries...I'm far from any kind of film expert, however I'd venture to guess that very few on this site have wasted the countless amt's of money I have on just about every subject that could be made into a documentary.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51tC7zcdkoL._SX500_.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRbqMGtvQD0
I spent the $3.99 expecting to get by in large a Fahrenheit 9/11, or one of the other Micheal Moore recent political propaganda pieces labeled under the guise of a documentary.
I truly never thought any one filmmaker/or man for that matter could be as overly biased, arrogant, and generally ignorant outside of one way of very strict thinking than Moore. However imho, this little man from the land of India would have given Goebbles a real run for his money, let alone MM.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Dinesh_DSouza_speaking_at_CPAC_2012_cropped.jpg/220px-Dinesh_DSouza_speaking_at_CPAC_2012_cropped.jpg
I know some will still defend the crazy talk from this film, but how somebody can support the filmmaker's general ideology, and world view is nothing short of eye opening.
Career stats:
Books..
2007 What's so Great about Christianity
2009 Life After Death: The Evidence
After turning on the world to Christianity in book 1, he somehow found "Evidence" to support an after life in book 2...(we apparently have very different ideas of evidence), which finally gave him the knowledge to tackle one of mankind's most epic questions when confronting faith.......his 2012 book titled Godforsaken which settles for us how a benevolent God could allow evil and suffering in the world.
Political ideology aside, the film is an absolute insult to the art of documentary filmmaking even when some are clearly openly biased towards a view up front like Micheal Moore's piece of shit films.
Sorry for the rant, but it really burned my ass knowing that I in some minor way paid for that little crazy man's lifestyle.
It is time for you to join the democrat party.
Obama's dad was a marxist trying to overthrow the british government in kenya.
His mother and her family are wacked out hippy maxists.
How do you think obama was going to turn out???????
Obama and his wife are hood-rich, no class trash, from the ghetto in chicago.
Littlelebowski
10-14-12, 15:30
It is time for you to join the democrat party.
No, it's time for the Republican Party to adopt only only one religious document and that's the Constitution. Stop ****ing worrying about homosexuals, abortion, the "war" on dugs, big government, and go back to being the party of Goldwater.
You guys sneering at those of us who might be younger than you that could care less about social issues are finding yourselves marginalized and you're hurting the Republican party with your bunker mentality.
I'm watching my father in law (http://electrockychavez.com) deal with the local Republican Party shitheads rights now. He's winning and they are in their bunker preparing war against illegal immigrants or something and wondering why they can't take back CA. His opponent is a book banning, hyper religious harpy. He's a pro gun, retired full bird Colonel. ****ing sad.
No, it's time for the Republican Party to adopt only only one religious document and that's the Constitution. Stop ****ing worrying about homosexuals, abortion, the "war" on dugs, big government, and go back to being the party of Goldwater.
You guys sneering at those of us who might be younger than you that could care less about social issues are finding yourselves marginalized and you're hurting the Republican party with your bunker mentality.
I'm watching my father in law (http://electrockychavez.com) deal with the local Republican Party shitheads rights now. He's winning and they are in their bunker preparing war against illegal immigrants or something and wondering why they can't take back CA. His opponent is a book banning, hyper religious harpy. He's a pro gun, retired full bird Colonel. ****ing sad.
It has nothing to do with that.
Obama is a full out marxist. What does that have to do with gays, drugs, or abortion?
One film comes out to counter michael moore type bullshit and the OP has a problem with it.
You guys sneering at those of us who might be younger than you that could care less about social issues are finding yourselves marginalized and you're hurting the Republican party with your bunker mentality.
The problem with the republican party is the brain dead RINOs and moderate republicans who constantly have to take the high road, or can't admit or aren't smart enough to see the entire entertainment/media/education system is trying their hardest to install marxism in this country.
It is the same people who brought us McCain and vote for this guy and don't follow the issues close enough to figure out what is really going on.
they are in their bunker preparing war against illegal immigrants or something
I live in the highest property taxed per square foot of household area in the entire state of Nebraska.
It also happens to have the highest population of immigrants from below the southern border.
Why do you think my property taxes are so high? Its to pay for all their freeloading kids attending the local schools.
My neighborhood took our county to court and won to lower our property taxes.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Illegal immigrants are a drain on the system and Americans that go to work have to pay for them.
Littlelebowski
10-14-12, 16:16
Before you post more, know that I'm for immigration reform, not opening the gates. I don't understand why my friends from Europe go through all of the shit they do to become Americans when we allow illegal immigrants amnesty. We need change, real change.
Of course, Obama has deported far more illegal immigrants than Bush so if you're a single issue voter.....
Littlelebowski
10-14-12, 16:18
Also, the OP seemed to take issue with how poorly the film was done and the film maker's religious notions. Not sure how that makes him a Democrat unless we become de facto Democrats simply by criticizing morons that criticize Obama......
Also, the OP seemed to take issue with how poorly the film was done and the film maker's religious notions. Not sure how that makes him a Democrat unless we become de facto Democrats simply by criticizing morons that criticize Obama......
Because he is against someone that is on our side.
The right has 3 different factions that can't seem to get along:
1. The real conservatives
2. The RINOs and moderates
3. The libertarians
When one of these groups doesn't get "their guy" nominated they sit at home, pout and whine, and enable the marxist take over.
On the left, the people that wanted hillary to be president didn't sit at home and pout. They united to get obama in the white house.
Even the ****ing stupid democrats have this figured out.
You don't drive someone off who is in 90% agreement with you.
Littlelebowski
10-14-12, 16:32
Because he is against someone that is on our side.
The right has 3 different factions that can't seem to get along:
1. The real conservatives
2. The RINOs and moderates
3. The libertarians
When one of these groups doesn't get "their guy" nominated they sit at home, pout and whine, and enable the marxist take over.
On the left, the people that wanted hillary to be president didn't sit at home and pout. They united to get obama in the white house.
Even the ****ing stupid democrats have this figured out.
You don't drive someone off who is in 90% agreement with you.
Wait. Disagreeing dislike of Di'Souza makes him a democrat? That is akin to disliking Fred Phelps makes one an atheist. In other words, completely devoid of logic.
You should rethink that one. As far as I can tell Trident loves one thing in life and that's ARs that he seems to shoot more than anyone on the forum. Not the kid's biggest fan but at least he's out there shooting.
Also, Di'Souza is a ****tard. That statement does NOT make me a Democrat.
You guys sneering at those of us who might be younger than you that could care less about social issues are finding yourselves marginalized and you're hurting the Republican party with your bunker mentality.
I won't speak for anyone else, and I certainly don't sneer at younger people and their worldviews.
If I know anything, from my own personal experience as a pretty hard-core libertarian in my young adult years, it's that what you believe in and value right now MAY not be what is important to you when you're middle-aged, have a house full of teenage children, and are confronting your own mortality and wondering just what kind of world those children will live in.
I have found, though, that my Catholic faith rings far more true to me now than it did in my youth, but its influence on me seems far different than the caricature of Christian faith that is promulgated by some here.
And not much would surprise the 28 year-old me more than that.
Littlelebowski
10-14-12, 18:49
Kh3, while I appreciate what you said, I'm older than you think and have a family. Neither my religious nor political beliefs have changed due to a mortgage, family, or children. However, I'm more Constitutionalist than libertarian.
Magic_Salad0892
10-14-12, 18:55
However, I'm more Constitutionalist than libertarian.
What is the difference? I honestly don't know. I thought that most libertarians were "Constitutionalists''.
Kh3, while I appreciate what you said, I'm older than you think and have a family. Neither my religious nor political beliefs have changed due to a mortgage, family, or children. However, I'm more Constitutionalist than libertarian.
Fair enough.
You brought up the relative age thing.
Something to be said for constancy, I guess.
Also, Di'Souza is a ****tard. That statement does NOT make me a Democrat.
DiSouza is one of the few people on the right that is attempting to expose Obama for what he is, a ****ing hardcore left marxist.
I don't know how you come to the conclusion you don't like DiSouza but it is completely illogical.
DiSouza is one of the few people on the right that is attempting to expose Obama for what he is, a ****ing hardcore left marxist.
I don't know how you come to the conclusion you don't like DiSouza but it is completely illogical.
Have you read many of Dinesh's books? Just curious.
Oh yes, my fair share.. I just like pointing out the stuff that truly irks me, though.
Obama's middle name irks you?
It is interesting that a poster here repeatedly used the term "bunker mentality", yet this same poster is in favor of essentially isolating this country from any and all adverse circumstances abroad, including our allies being endangered. This "bunker mentality" basher somehow fails to realize that, especially in this day and age, we can not simply choose to hide in our little theoretical corner of the world. Or our imagined "bunker", if you will.
...dislike of Di'Souza...As far as I can tell Trident loves one thing in life and that's ARs that he seems to shoot more than anyone on the forum. Not the kid's biggest fan but at least he's out there shooting. Also, Di'Souza is a...
Yes, these are all highly related.
No offense to Trident of course. On top of being an avid and knowledgable shooter he is also articulate and capeable of rational thought. No need for you to diminish him in such a manner.
GD has a way of dividing members on here that I don't believe would occur in the face to face real world, as some of my closest friends (non internet friends:D) believe in lots of what this Dinesh stands for.
Sure, and I have cut my widow elderly black neighbor's grass for nothing the past 4 years because she is my friend and needs help. But when I carry her groceries in or fix something in her house and am reminded that she loves watching Sharpton on MSNBC, I am irked. Especially after the Martin incident.
But, as we have the option to do here, these differences can be overlooked for the often legitimate greater good.
DiSouza is one of the few people on the right that is attempting to expose Obama for what he is, a ****ing hardcore left marxist.
I don't know how you come to the conclusion you don't like DiSouza but it is completely illogical.
I've given the guy a fair shot (and some of my money) by reading several of his books. He's a tool. Dinesh D'Souza is a cartoon character of "the right." If he weren't so earnestly sincere I'd be inclined to think that he is a left-wing plant intended to make "the right" look bad.
The man is howling at the moon batshit crazy with more than a few outright totalitarian ideas, that's why I don't like him and that isn't "illogical" at all. Defending a wacktard because "he is on our side" is illogical though.
Littlelebowski
10-15-12, 05:15
DiSouza is one of the few people on the right that is attempting to expose Obama for what he is, a ****ing hardcore left marxist.
I don't know how you come to the conclusion you don't like DiSouza but it is completely illogical.
Actually, Obama is a European style socialist, not a communist.
It's not illogical to dislike Di'souza's moronic religious agenda nor how he goes about it.
Stop ****ing worrying about homosexuals, abortion, the "war" on dugs, big government....
Same could be said of the Democrats...those are some of the exact same reasons I left their party back in my 30's.
Littlelebowski
10-15-12, 06:52
It is interesting that a poster here repeatedly used the term "bunker mentality", yet this same poster is in favor of essentially isolating this country from any and all adverse circumstances abroad, including our allies being endangered. This "bunker mentality" basher somehow fails to realize that, especially in this day and age, we can not simply choose to hide in our little theoretical corner of the world. Or our imagined "bunker", if you will.
It must irk the hell out of your chickenhawk beliefs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)) that so many veterans are libertarians.
http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/Stephanie1979_bucket/mine/Politics/political-pictures-joe-mccarthy-wit.jpg
I really don't mind being labeled anything that has been cast on me thus far in the thread. Calling people commies has a long history of being used in this country against folks who were proud Americans. I'm ok with some of you thinking I'm the big bad commie/socialist/Marxist/or dare I say Obama supporter.
FYI....Obama is quoted as saying that he literally remembers spending exactly 10 whole days with the famous ultra radical Obama Sr. who had no education, revolution, or relevancy in Barrack Obama's life until he needed to capture the "first black candidate" votes.
I can't wait for the documentary that shows Barrack Obama being raised 99.99% of the time with his white mother, and white grandmother whom I believe have real deal U.S. birth certificates and all. I will say that being raised so much of his early life in Hawaii does kinda make the guy a foreigner given how far Hawaii is from middle America.
I agree that if we see another 4yrs. from Obama, we'll all be communist in 2016. Obama bankrupted the nation in his first day in office.
Those were the days when Dick, Donald, Karl, and Condi ran this place for 8yrs. Hard to imagine that Obama screwed up such an awesome place so quickly once he got in office.
It must irk the hell out of your chickenhawk beliefs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)) that so many veterans are libertarians.
So many veterans want us to hide at home do they? What about those countless thousands who elected to stay on and serve overseas? Why do high ranking officers and veteran CIA personnel both support and take part in operations overseas?
Why do so many veterans serve as contractors overseas if it so out of sync to do so? I'd call them the real men in the group. Enjoy Oprah today sitting at home, you ain't in their league as a veteran pal. You'd rather play it safe here at home and shoot at targets, which is of course your right.
As far as me, several times here I discussed my childhood asthma that came back to haunt me only 2 month before I was to graduate high school and head down to Parris Island. Even though I passed both my physical and ASVAB, I got a letter on exactly the day of my 18th birthday telling me that due to a record of hospitalization as a child (under 12) I was deemed inelegible for service and denied. But as I also mentioned the corps made a mistake there, as I went on to play both college and semi- pro football.
Regardless, again you resort to finding an irrelevant circumstance to bolster yet another extremely weak argument.
Littlelebowski
10-15-12, 09:01
Wait....though I'm a veteran who's deployed, I'm now a coward for not deploying as a private contractor? Are you seriouslyfloating that as an argument? So, you're a coward unless you deploy and continue to deploy?
Anyway, the Ron Paul support amongst the troops is not exactly a secret.
Hit the range lately or were you at home busy being consumed by your bitter rage against those of us who are against interventionism?
Hit the range lately or were you at home busy being consumed by your bitter rage against those of us who are against interventionism?
You know full well I have no bitter rage against anything of the sort. And for what little it's worth, the only reason I still use an avatar is because I didn't want to erase one of the only public memorials dedicated to two noble men who could have easily avoided a savage death. I've remembered them here for so long because most have forgotten about them unless reminded.
If I would do that then obviously I don't think of our troops as throw always destined to fight wars for me. I don't want to accept that we could not exist here for long if we allowed our enemies to strengthen and expand their powers overseas, it's just a reality that those that are sensible must acknowledge.
Littlelebowski
10-15-12, 12:18
I don't want to accept that we could not exist here for long if we allowed our enemies to strengthen and expand their powers overseas, it's just a reality that those that are sensible must acknowledge.
Bunker mentality. Funny how so many other nations do fine with interventionism.
for one the distance one lives to the mainland does not effect their view on the US ! and he was in school (college) most his real adult life where you actually make your mind up on things was on the mainland in Chicago !!!
as far as a few days with his dad ? and his mother most likely talked about him it effected him enough to write books about the guy and seek out what he thought etc..
people can have strange issues with family members that abandon them and if anything he would blame what he saw as the reason his father left is the colonization he talks about !!!
yeah the time with his mom when he was registered as a muslim (according to many) in a school in another country would be interesting to see and hear about more than his father ! I agree
http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/Stephanie1979_bucket/mine/Politics/political-pictures-joe-mccarthy-wit.jpg
I really don't mind being labeled anything that has been cast on me thus far in the thread. Calling people commies has a long history of being used in this country against folks who were proud Americans. I'm ok with some of you thinking I'm the big bad commie/socialist/Marxist/or dare I say Obama supporter.
FYI....Obama is quoted as saying that he literally remembers spending exactly 10 whole days with the famous ultra radical Obama Sr. who had no education, revolution, or relevancy in Barrack Obama's life until he needed to capture the "first black candidate" votes.
I can't wait for the documentary that shows Barrack Obama being raised 99.99% of the time with his white mother, and white grandmother whom I believe have real deal U.S. birth certificates and all. I will say that being raised so much of his early life in Hawaii does kinda make the guy a foreigner given how far Hawaii is from middle America.
I agree that if we see another 4yrs. from Obama, we'll all be communist in 2016. Obama bankrupted the nation in his first day in office.
Those were the days when Dick, Donald, Karl, and Condi ran this place for 8yrs. Hard to imagine that Obama screwed up such an awesome place so quickly once he got in office.
Anyway, the Ron Paul support amongst the troops is not exactly a secret.
"Uhh" troops in their late teens, and twenties! An echo of the same figures represented by typical college age youth! The Paulbotic youth cult(I coined the term thank you very much)is consumed with the big issues of the day, homosexuality, drugs, irrational Jew hatred, and homosexuality, in almost exactly that order...Just as the marxists programmed them to be...;)
GeorgiaBoy
10-15-12, 17:45
. . . consumed with the big issues of the day, homosexuality, drugs, irrational Jew hatred, and homosexuality, in almost exactly that order...Just as the marxists programmed them to be...;)
:blink:
I don't even know what to say. Your constant allegories of Marxism and modern-day libertarianism are ridiculous.
"Well the Marxists wanted this stuff, so if you want it too, well then you are a MARXIST!" - Outstanding Logic.
ETA: I don't even know what you are talking about with "irrational Jew hatred". Non-interventionsim, which includes staying out of Israel's business, does not constitute "Jew-hatred".
I really don't mind being labeled anything that has been cast on me thus far in the thread. Calling people commies has a long history of being used in this country against folks who were proud Americans. I'm ok with some of you thinking I'm the big bad commie/socialist/Marxist/or dare I say Obama supporter.
FYI....Obama is quoted as saying that he literally remembers spending exactly 10 whole days with the famous ultra radical Obama Sr. who had no education, revolution, or relevancy in Barrack Obama's life until he needed to capture the "first black candidate" votes.
I can't wait for the documentary that shows Barrack Obama being raised 99.99% of the time with his white mother, and white grandmother whom I believe have real deal U.S. birth certificates and all. I will say that being raised so much of his early life in Hawaii does kinda make the guy a foreigner given how far Hawaii is from middle America.
I agree that if we see another 4yrs. from Obama, we'll all be communist in 2016. Obama bankrupted the nation in his first day in office.
Those were the days when Dick, Donald, Karl, and Condi ran this place for 8yrs. Hard to imagine that Obama screwed up such an awesome place so quickly once he got in office.
Yes, you've come far in so short a period of time, from pre-qualifying your OP with your distaste for the forum in which you posted it in, too generalizing how bad, partisan, and distastedful you found the one and only source of Obama vetting to have ever been presented to the public, to be! Well done indeed....;)
I can't wait for the documentary that shows Barrack Obama being raised 99.99% of the time with his white mother, and white grandmother whom I believe have real deal U.S. birth certificates and all. I will say that being raised so much of his early life in Hawaii does kinda make the guy a foreigner given how far Hawaii is from middle America.
Trident, this specific issue was covered in the film. You are correct, Obama Sr only had a few days with his son at the age of 10 (I think it was 10). Obama's mother and family idolized Obama Sr even give the fact he left his mother. The film drew a comparison to families that lost fathers in WWII. The father's photo was typically displayed for all see in the home. The father was spoken of as a brave man etc. Note when a man leaves his wife and child as he did typically that level of adoration is not shown to the missing father.
In fact one of President Obama's sisters told him his father is NOT the man he thinks he is.
Littlelebowski
10-15-12, 19:43
"Uhh" troops in their late teens, and twenties! An echo of the same figures represented by typical college age youth! The Paulbotic youth cult(I coined the term thank you very much)is consumed with the big issues of the day, homosexuality, drugs, irrational Jew hatred, and homosexuality, in almost exactly that order...Just as the marxists programmed them to be...;)
Call me when the Shuttle lands.
Call me when the Shuttle lands.
I accept your capitulation....The facts are just that, the facts...:)
I can't wait for the documentary that shows Barrack Obama being raised 99.99% of the time with his white mother
Who attended the only openly communist school in all of America during her childhood.
Keep taking the high road and sticking your head in a hole in the ground gentlemen....
Littlelebowski
10-16-12, 10:10
"Uhh" troops in their late teens, and twenties! An echo of the same figures represented by typical college age youth! The Paulbotic youth cult(I coined the term thank you very much)is consumed with the big issues of the day, homosexuality, drugs, irrational Jew hatred, and homosexuality, in almost exactly that order...Just as the marxists programmed them to be...;)
No, I can name a few combat vets on this forum in their 30's.
Does "irrational Jew Hatred" mean "stop giving Israel money and support over all other countries?"
What you're confused about is that the libertarians want the failed war on drugs to stop and they do not care about homosexuals except that they be treated as any other American.
Marxism is dead.
No, I can name a few combat vets on this forum in their 30's.
Does "irrational Jew Hatred" mean "stop giving Israel money and support over all other countries?"
What you're confused about is that the libertarians want the failed war on drugs to stop and they do not care about homosexuals except that they be treated as any other American.
Marxism is dead.
No, its not!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/cultural_marxism.html
http://alettertothetimes.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/the-frankfurt-school-and-cultural-marxism-a-primer/
http://www.marylandthursdaymeeting.com/Archives/SpecialWebDocuments/Cultural.Marxism.htm
I would urge you to "actually" read the linked articles, as opposed to just reacting to them. Its always hard to discover, that everything that you thought you had divined as right, and proper, is actually the consequence of deliberate cultural imprinting, a process that was well mapped out, long before your birth!
brickboy240
10-16-12, 13:37
Back to the subject of the movie.
I just saw this movie last week.
Disturbing and it maybe explains why Obama does not seem to be proud of America and why he acts so weird towards Muslims.
Big media does a great job of hiding all of Obama's faults and his very strange past.
-brickboy240
From the links,
Marcuse also argued for what he called “liberating tolerance,” which he defined as tolerance for all ideas coming from the Left and intolerance for any ideas coming from the Right. In the 1960s, Marcuse became the chief “guru” of the New Left, and he injected the cultural Marxism of the Frankfurt School into the baby boom generation, to the point where it is now America’s state ideology
Magic_Salad0892
10-16-12, 15:50
No, I can name a few combat vets on this forum in their 30's.
Does "irrational Jew Hatred" mean "stop giving Israel money and support over all other countries?"
What you're confused about is that the libertarians want the failed war on drugs to stop and they do not care about homosexuals except that they be treated as any other American.
Marxism is dead.
Well said.
Traditional Marxism is dead. But that doesn't stop modernized Socialism under the guise of Nationalism from taking root.
GeorgiaBoy
10-16-12, 16:00
It's very sad to believe that wanting to treat homosexuals like "normal" people, and wanting to end a useless and senseless war on our southern border is equated to full-blown Marxism.
It's very sad to believe that wanting to treat homosexuals like "normal" people, and wanting to end a useless and senseless war on our southern border is equated to full-blown Marxism.
Whats sad, is your's, and your "comrades" intractible ignorance as to whats been done to you, and how! I can only lead you to the water, I can't drink it for you...That is sad indeed.
Dinesh D'Souza, the man who so stridently criticizes gay-rights and ardently touts the moral superiority and importance of same-sex marriage and the family, is currently in hot water over an extramarital relationship. More of the same hypocrisy from the holy rollers. Zzzzzzz.....
Well said.
Traditional Marxism is dead. But that doesn't stop modernized Socialism under the guise of Nationalism from taking root.
Define well said for us? Its important that you understand that he has made an overtly ignorant comment, one that was totally refuted by the three links I posted to the board. Oh, and your comment, is an oxymoron, one equally enveloped in ignorance.
Unfortunately, it is quite frustrating, to interact with those that embrace ignorance, as though it were a virtue! The marxists saw to it that you inculcated that concept to your marrow...
Littlelebowski
10-16-12, 17:40
Whats sad, is your's, and your "comrades" intractible ignorance as to whats been done to you, and how! I can only lead you to the water, I can't drink it for you...That is sad indeed.
Heavy must be the burden of all of that enlightenment, Denali. I'm sure you long for the days when we could round up and intern or kill those whose sexual orientation you don't agree with.
Oh for the good old days!
I'll bet this Marxist indoctrinated kid (38 years old) can outshoot you. Postal match? Carbine or pistol? I'll shoot for the constitution and you for......a smug sense of superiority? Just name the drills.
Littlelebowski
10-16-12, 17:41
Dinesh D'Souza, the man who so stridently criticizes gay-rights and ardently touts the moral superiority and importance of same-sex marriage and the family, is currently in hot water over an extramarital relationship. More of the same hypocrisy from the holy rollers. Zzzzzzz.....
Usually they're caught with the same sex.....
GeorgiaBoy
10-16-12, 17:57
Whats sad, is your's, and your "comrades" intractible ignorance as to whats been done to you, and how! I can only lead you to the water, I can't drink it for you...That is sad indeed.
Please enlighten me on how the belief that homosexuality isn't "wrong, immoral, a sin, a deviancy, what ever", didn't exist before before Marx and Engels.
I would rather be labeled a Marxist any day than a bigot who wishes to RESTRICT the rights of other because I don't like their orientation.
I also would rather live in a country where fine men and women aren't dying in a senseless "war on drugs".
Littlelebowski
10-16-12, 18:13
Please enlighten me on how the belief that homosexuality isn't "wrong, immoral, a sin, a deviancy, what ever", didn't exist before before Marx and Engels.
I would rather be labeled a Marxist any day than a bigot who wishes to RESTRICT the rights of other because I don't like their orientation.
I also would rather live in a country where fine men and women aren't dying in a senseless "war on drugs".
Very well said.
Heavy must be the burden of all of that enlightenment, Denali. I'm sure you long for the days when we could round up and intern or kill those whose sexual orientation you don't agree with.
Oh for the good old days!
I'll bet this Marxist indoctrinated kid (38 years old) can outshoot you. Postal match? Carbine or pistol? I'll shoot for the constitution and you for......a smug sense of superiority? Just name the drills.
You can hide behind all the manufactured bravura you wish, it changes nothing, you are embracing your ignorance as though it was a virtue. You said marxism is dead, a belief which is totally erroneous, I merely hoped to show you some of the how!
Littlelebowski
10-16-12, 18:48
You can hide behind all the manufactured bravura you wish, it changes nothing, you are embracing your ignorance as though it was a virtue. You said marxism is dead, a belief which is totally erroneous, I merely hoped to show you some of the how!
You are not much of a shooter, got it. Another blowhard.
Heavy must be the burden of all of that enlightenment, Denali. I'm sure you long for the days when we could round up and intern or kill those whose sexual orientation you don't agree with.
Oh for the good old days!
I'll bet this Marxist indoctrinated kid (38 years old) can outshoot you. Postal match? Carbine or pistol? I'll shoot for the constitution and you for......a smug sense of superiority? Just name the drills.
You haven't addressed my point about obama's mother attending the only openly communist school in America at the time.
Littlelebowski
10-16-12, 19:32
You haven't addressed my point about obama's mother attending the only openly communist school in America at the time.
That's because I think it's nonsensical and that Obama is a European style socialist. The McCarthyism would be funny if it were not so pathetic.
Well said.
Traditional Marxism is dead. But that doesn't stop modernized Socialism under the guise of Nationalism from taking root.
Errrr........ That would be National Socialism. Typically known as fascism.
Littlelebowski
10-16-12, 20:55
Errrr........ That would be National Socialism. Typically known as fascism.
So, you're saying that modern European countries are not socialist, they're fascist? Or are they not either?
So, you're saying that modern European countries are not socialist, they're fascist? Or are they not either?
Well, the question is, what is it that you are trying to say? On this very page, "you" said that marxism is dead! Are you simply looking to deflect? Did you even take the time to read the three links I posted you?
You are not much of a shooter, got it. Another blowhard.
More deflection, and "uhh" I posted you three substantive links, you've responded with innuendo, and ad-hominem.
Just who is that blows? ;)
Can we all agree that, for many reasons, this film will likely not be a top performer at the Oscars?
"Uhh" troops in their late teens, and twenties! An echo of the same figures represented by typical college age youth! The Paulbotic youth cult(I coined the term thank you very much)is consumed with the big issues of the day, homosexuality, drugs, irrational Jew hatred, and homosexuality, in almost exactly that order...Just as the marxists programmed them to be...;)
Your view of Congressman Paul and libertarianism is way off base. I don't agree with him or all libertarian views on every subject matter but at least have your criticisms based in reality. I'd be happy to loan you some books on the subject matter if you'd like to become better educated on the topic.
No, I can name a few combat vets on this forum in their 30's.
I'm a vet in my late 30's, have kids and a wife, along with several other close vet friends of mine in similar stages of life and we all get down to the tune you're playin'.
It's very sad to believe that wanting to treat homosexuals like "normal" people, and wanting to end a useless and senseless war on our southern border is equated to full-blown Marxism.
Well said sir.
I also would rather live in a country where fine men and women aren't dying in a senseless "war on drugs".
Hopefully one day.
Can we all agree that, for many reasons, this film will likely not be a top performer at the Oscars?
Probably but I'm gonna watch it tomorrow anyways. :D
montanadave
10-17-12, 08:04
Can we all agree that, for many reasons, this film will likely not be a top performer at the Oscars?
Not unless the Koch Brothers buy the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and hire Karl Rove to run the joint. :laugh:
Please enlighten me on how the belief that homosexuality isn't "wrong, immoral, a sin, a deviancy, what ever", didn't exist before before Marx and Engels.
I would rather be labeled a Marxist any day than a bigot who wishes to RESTRICT the rights of other because I don't like their orientation.
.
So why don't you support Obama coming out of the closet regarding his membership at Man Country?
He is not the first gay president, after all.
Please enlighten me on how the belief that homosexuality isn't "wrong, immoral, a sin, a deviancy, what ever", didn't exist before before Marx and Engels.
I would rather be labeled a Marxist any day than a bigot who wishes to RESTRICT the rights of other because I don't like their orientation.
I also would rather live in a country where fine men and women aren't dying in a senseless "war on drugs".
From the William S. Lind link,
Cultural Marxism began not in the 1960s but in 1919, immediately after World War I. Marxist theory had predicted that in the event of a big European war, the working class all over Europe would rise up to overthrow capitalism and create communism. But when war came in 1914, that did not happen. When it finally did happen in Russia in 1917, workers in other European countries did not support it. What had gone wrong?
Independently, two Marxist theorists, Antonio Gramsci in Italy and Georg Lukacs in Hungary, came to the same answer: Western culture and the Christian religion had so blinded the working class to its true, Marxist class interest that Communism was impossible in the West until both could be destroyed. In 1919, Lukacs asked, “Who will save us from Western civilization?” That same year, when he became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the short-lived Bolshevik Bela Kun government in Hungary, one of Lukacs’s first acts was to introduce sex education into Hungary’s public schools. He knew that if he could destroy the West’s traditional sexual morals, he would have taken a giant step toward destroying Western culture itself.
In 1923, inspired in part by Lukacs, a group of German Marxists established a think tank at Frankfurt University in Germany called the Institute for Social Research. This institute, soon known simply as the Frankfurt School, would become the creator of cultural Marxism.
To translate Marxism from economic into cultural terms, the members of the Frankfurt School - - Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno, Wilhelm Reich, Eric Fromm and Herbert Marcuse, to name the most important - - had to contradict Marx on several points. They argued that culture was not just part of what Marx had called society’s “superstructure,” but an independent and very important variable. They also said that the working class would not lead a Marxist revolution, because it was becoming part of the middle class, the hated bourgeoisie.
Who would? In the 1950s, Marcuse answered the question: a coalition of blacks, students, feminist women and homosexuals.
That's because I think it's nonsensical
Really?
It is obvious he is a hardcore leftist and got this way from his upbringings.
It is obvious by the way he governs.
Littlelebowski
10-17-12, 18:40
I don't disagree that he's a leftist. Just shaking my head about the evil Marxist conspiracy.
I don't disagree that he's a leftist. Just shaking my head about the evil Marxist conspiracy.
Well, you can shake your moptop all you wish, it doesn't do anything to detract from the "substantive data" presented in the links I posted you, which you clearly haven't even taken the time to read, instead you stubbornly hurl silly innuendo & ad-hominem, which doesn't do a thing but detract from you!
So by all means, default to the typical neo-dem defensive posture, and just call us "tin foil capped" wackos. I tried to break on through to your other side, only to discover you haven't one...;)
Littlelebowski
10-17-12, 20:03
Well, you can shake your moptop all you wish, it doesn't do anything to detract from the "substantive data" presented in the links I posted you, which you clearly haven't even taken the time to read, instead you stubbornly hurl silly innuendo & ad-hominem, which doesn't do a thing but detract from you!
So by all means, default to the typical neo-dem defensive posture, and just call us "tin foil capped" wackos. I tried to break on through to your other side, only to discover you haven't one...;)
I'll read one or two of them. For your part, I doubt you'll be running drills or anything other than posting links and crowing about how you won.
I honestly think General Discussion arguments should be settled with postal matches. This is a gun forum and the blowhards who never shoot or train should be shown the door.
GeorgiaBoy
10-17-12, 20:26
From the William S. Lind link,
Does not answer my question. I'll ask it again: Have or have not societies BEFORE the origination of Marxism been tolerant and acceptable of homosexuality and other "immoral acts"?
Your entire argument rests on the surmise that in some magical way what less than 5% of the people do in their private homes will affect the other 95% and "destroy society".
It also assumes that before Marxism, Western civilization was "pure" and free from sexually immoral acts. (Wow...)
It lastly assumes "western society" is perfect, and in need for corruption to destroy itself.
Does not answer my question. I'll ask it again: Have or have not societies BEFORE the origination of Marxism been tolerant and acceptable of homosexuality and other "immoral acts"?
Your entire argument rests on the surmise that in some magical way what less than 5% of the people do in their private homes will affect the other 95% and "destroy society".
It also assumes that before Marxism, Western civilization was "pure" and free from sexually immoral acts. (Wow...)
It lastly assumes "western society" is perfect, and in need for corruption to destroy itself.
No, you don't understand, I'm not for, or against homosexuality, thats "your" thing, that "you" are locked into, for whatever the reason, looking to do combat for your pre-concieved notion of whats moral, and whats not. On the contrary, I'm just jogging your brain stem, prompting you to re-evaluate how you happened to get from point A, to point B! So potent is the argument against your pre-conceptions that you won't even entertain the notion, resorting instead to a carpet bombing campaign, of ad-hominem and virtually instinctual denial...Its my very firm belief(and its true)that these have been manufactured within you by marxists, who have had more to do with your intellectual maturation, then either of your parents!
Homosexuality, like race, and ethnicity, is/was just a tool to the social engineers of the "Frankfurt school" of cultural marxism. One that has been wielded to perfection. They have accomplished their goals, the traditional American family is dead! You, and your friends, are their shock troops, and you are literally clueless as to the how, and why....Its not about whats right & wrong, its about using certain innate psychological tensions, to produce a result, in direct contradiction to your traditional cultural grounding, and then replace them with something else....
I'll read one or two of them. For your part, I doubt you'll be running drills or anything other than posting links and crowing about how you won.
I honestly think General Discussion arguments should be settled with postal matches. This is a gun forum and the blowhards who never shoot or train should be shown the door.
This is a sub-forum, "not" specifically dedicated to guns! At any rate, I'm on your team, I only hope to prompt some level of introspection, its not an easy thing to discover that they didn't just lie to you about Santa & the Easter Bunny...
GeorgiaBoy
10-17-12, 22:10
No, you don't understand, I'm not for, or against homosexuality, thats "your" thing, that "you" are locked into, for whatever the reason,
You aren't "for", or "against" homosexuality, but constantly say that Marxist are using tolerance of it to destroy western society? I find that hard to believe, based on your previous posts.
Homosexuality isn't "my thing", but I don't sit around idly while people seem to think its perfectly fine to restrict the rights of those who are.
This entire argument is getting silly.
So, you're saying that modern European countries are not socialist, they're fascist? Or are they not either?
Lets define.
National Socialism is fascist. You have heard of the National Socialist Labor Party? NOTE: Not all fascist are NAZIs. Heck even Madonna played the role of Eva Peron.
Communism = Gov't ownership & control of all factors of production w/central planning
Socialism = Gov't ownership & control of all factors of production
Fascism = Private ownership of factors of production w/Gov't control of major factors of production (for example China is moving this way and our Federal Reserve is a good example - GM anyone?)
ETA: Disclaimer! I need to shoot more! I have a new STI 1911 begging to be shot and a Noveke Recon that is feeling neglected.
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 13:58
Lets define.
National Socialism is fascist. You have heard of the National Socialist Labor Party? NOTE: Not all fascist are NAZIs. Heck even Madonna played the role of Eva Peron.
Communism = Gov't ownership & control of all factors of production w/central planning
Socialism = Gov't ownership & control of all factors of production
Fascism = Private ownership of factors of production w/Gov't control of major factors of production (for example China is moving this way and our Federal Reserve is a good example - GM anyone?)
ETA: Disclaimer! I need to shoot more! I have a new STI 1911 begging to be shot and a Noveke Recon that is feeling neglected.
Thank you for the sane answer, seriously. Also, please go shooting!
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 14:02
No, you don't understand, I'm not for, or against homosexuality, thats "your" thing, that "you" are locked into, for whatever the reason, looking to do combat for your pre-concieved notion of whats moral, and whats not. On the contrary, I'm just jogging your brain stem, prompting you to re-evaluate how you happened to get from point A, to point B! So potent is the argument against your pre-conceptions that you won't even entertain the notion, resorting instead to a carpet bombing campaign, of ad-hominem and virtually instinctual denial...Its my very firm belief(and its true)that these have been manufactured within you by marxists, who have had more to do with your intellectual maturation, then either of your parents!
Homosexuality, like race, and ethnicity, is/was just a tool to the social engineers of the "Frankfurt school" of cultural marxism. One that has been wielded to perfection. They have accomplished their goals, the traditional American family is dead! You, and your friends, are their shock troops, and you are literally clueless as to the how, and why....Its not about whats right & wrong, its about using certain innate psychological tensions, to produce a result, in direct contradiction to your traditional cultural grounding, and then replace them with something else....
Homosexuality is a weapon by the cultural marxists to destroy the American family?
Never mind me reading your links, you are. ****ing. Crazy. I mean it. As in paranoid schizophrenic. I'm quite serious. You're loony. You are detrimental to this site and quite likely off of your medications. I fully expect a rant against certain races next from you.
I understand that you will screech "ad hominem, just getting into your brain stem with all of this knowledge that only I know, gibber gibber, rant rant" but seriously get help because you need it.
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 14:05
This is a sub-forum, "not" specifically dedicated to guns! At any rate, I'm on your team, I only hope to prompt some level of introspection, its not an easy thing to discover that they didn't just lie to you about Santa & the Easter Bunny...
You're not on my team. Take your medication. Not an insult, dead serious. You are not well. I expect you'll be mentioning the Illuminati next.
Homosexuality is a weapon by the cultural marxists to destroy the American family?
Never mind me reading your links, you are. ****ing. Crazy. I mean it. As in paranoid schizophrenic. I'm quite serious. You're loony. You are detrimental to this site and quite likely off of your medications. I fully expect a rant against certain races next from you.
I understand that you will screech "ad hominem, just getting into your brain stem with all of this knowledge that only I know, gibber gibber, rant rant" but seriously get help because you need it.
You're not on my team. Take your medication. Not an insult, dead serious. You are not well. I expect you'll be mentioning the Illuminati next.
You are so obtuse, and ignorant its painful, both you, and your "comrade." Here you are, spouting off marxist talking points by rote, clueless, "absolutely clueless" as to how you've been conditioned into inculcating them into your worldview, what an impossible task it is, reaching through your fog, and striking intellectual pay dirt. So lazy are you(intellectually)that you just resort to the most grotesque of childish inferiority, name calling!
You and your "ahh" comrade, have not presented anything beyond your own personal contempt for dissenting opinion, not one piece of supporting data have you offered in rebuttal, likely because it exceeds the limits of your attention spans, indeed you are nothing but a pair of adolescents, lost in a post "lord of the flies" type of reality, devoid of any tethering to logic....By the way, from the American thinker article,
The Prototype
In 1919, Georg Lukacs became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the short-lived Bolshevik Bela Kun regime in Hungary. He immediately set plans in motion to de-Christianize Hungary. Reasoning that if Christian sexual ethics could be undermined among children, then both the hated patriarchal family and the Church would be dealt a crippling blow. Lukacs launched a radical sex education program in the schools. Sex lectures were organized and literature handed out which graphically instructed youth in free love (promiscuity) and sexual intercourse while simultaneously encouraging them to deride and reject Christian moral ethics, monogamy, and parental and church authority. All of this was accompanied by a reign of cultural terror perpetrated against parents, priests, and dissenters.
Hungary's youth, having been fed a steady diet of values-neutral (atheism) and radical sex education while simultaneously encouraged to rebel against all authority, easily turned into delinquents ranging from bullies and petty thieves to sex predators, murderers, and sociopaths.
Gramsci's prescription and Lukacs' plans were the precursor to what Cultural Marxism in the guise of SIECUS, GSLEN, and the ACLU--acting as judicially-powered enforcers--later brought into American schools.
No, don't make any attenpt at freeing your mind, just continue to roll about, mindlessly, in the pablum that was prepared for you....:rolleyes:
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 14:48
I'll be fine. Please seek help. Homosexuality is not a choice, it's not a weapon; it's how some people are and it's been documented through the ages, long before Marxism.
Also, just because you quote something doesn't mean it's true. I understand that you can cherry pick articles to support your fond recollections of times when certain types dared not show their true natures in public nor drink from certain water fountains. However, your delusions of being all knowing about the vast conspiracies you espouse are indicative of mental health issues.
What is it, have you seen the Matrix one too many times and now wander the gun forums shrieking "wake up, I alone know what's going on!" Add these things together: delusions of being all knowing, conspiracy theories, and hatred of others based on their sexual proclivities and what do you get? An insane, hateful, delusional man.
Moose-Knuckle
10-18-12, 15:02
And I thought this thread was about a documentary . . . :blink:
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 15:22
And I thought this thread was about a documentary . . . :blink:
Nope, it's about rights for certain people being viewed as a Marxist conspiracy. Pretty sure you're part of it because unless you agree with Denali,you're part of the problem.
nineteenkilo
10-18-12, 15:29
Soooooooooo......How 'bout some Crimson Tide football?????
Oh, wait. Nevermind.
Homosexuality, like race, and ethnicity, is/was just a tool to the social engineers of the "Frankfurt school" of cultural marxism. One that has been wielded to perfection. They have accomplished their goals, the traditional American family is dead! You, and your friends, are their shock troops, and you are literally clueless as to the how, and why....Its not about whats right & wrong, its about using certain innate psychological tensions, to produce a result, in direct contradiction to your traditional cultural grounding, and then replace them with something else....
Actually it's probably just about gays wanting to be considered equals in our mutual society. The ratio of them in our world is likely the same as it has always been, they just feel more comfortable about speaking out now due to a swaying public perception.
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 15:49
Soooooooooo......How 'bout some Crimson Tide football?????
Oh, wait. Nevermind.
Marxist conspiracy.
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Actually it's probably just about gays wanting to be considered equals in our mutual society. The ratio of them in our world is likely the same as it has always been, they just feel more comfortable about speaking out now due to a swaying public perception.
BS! You are succumbing to the knee-jerk peer pressure of two low IQ'd dirtballs! Many of these loudmouths have attention spans that are shockingly short, they haven't any idea as to what I'm even talking of, they are simply reacting out of ignorance, and malice.
Before making further fools of yourselves, you might try looking over the links I posted the two low IQ's two days previous, which they haven't even opened. In them, their behavior in this very thread towards myself, and the point at hand, is laid out like prophecy, they are literally performing to expectation by defaulting to the most primitive of the human condition!
BTW, my posting here, is quite on topic, and is totally germane to the discussion. You'd have to be a sub-moron to conclude otherwise, then again, if you refuse to read beyond the testosteroni's immature baiting, and name-calling, you'll never know the difference....;)
if he was separated from his wife for 2 years and filed for divorce when he had this so called affair is it really an affair ? or just dating ?
And I thought this thread was about a documentary . . . :blink:
What exactly was it that you thought the documentary was about? Its about an "anti-colonial marxist" named Obama...
And I thought this thread was about a documentary . . . :blink:
There you go thinkin' again. ;)
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 18:48
BS! You are succumbing to the knee-jerk peer pressure of two low IQ'd dirtballs! Many of these loudmouths have attention spans that are shockingly short, they haven't any idea as to what I'm even talking of, they are simply reacting out of ignorance, and malice.
Before making further fools of yourselves, you might try looking over the links I posted the two low IQ's two days previous, which they haven't even opened. In them, their behavior in this very thread towards myself, and the point at hand, is laid out like prophecy, they are literally performing to expectation by defaulting to the most primitive of the human condition!
BTW, my posting here, is quite on topic, and is totally germane to the discussion. You'd have to be a sub-moron to conclude otherwise, then again, if you refuse to read beyond the testosteroni's immature baiting, and name-calling, you'll never know the difference....;)
I'd love for you to call me those names in person.
Actually it's probably just about gays wanting to be considered equals in our mutual society. The ratio of them in our world is likely the same as it has always been, they just feel more comfortable about speaking out now due to a swaying public perception.
Originally Posted by Denali
No, you don't understand, I'm not for, or against homosexuality, thats "your" thing, that "you" are locked into, for whatever the reason, looking to do combat for your pre-concieved notion of whats moral, and whats not. On the contrary, I'm just jogging your brain stem, prompting you to re-evaluate how you happened to get from point A, to point B! So potent is the argument against your pre-conceptions that you won't even entertain the notion, resorting instead to a carpet bombing campaign, of ad-hominem and virtually instinctual denial...Its my very firm belief(and its true)that these have been manufactured within you by marxists, who have had more to do with your intellectual maturation, then either of your parents!
Homosexuality, like race, and ethnicity, is/was just a tool to the social engineers of the "Frankfurt school" of cultural marxism. One that has been wielded to perfection. They have accomplished their goals, the traditional American family is dead! You, and your friends, are their shock troops, and you are literally clueless as to the how, and why....Its not about whats right & wrong, its about using certain innate psychological tensions, to produce a result, in direct contradiction to your traditional cultural grounding, and then replace them with something else....
Homosexuality is not the issue, ramming homosexuals down our throats is the issue! The two low IQ's you're linking up with here, are completely incapable of making this distinction, are you?
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 18:50
"laid out like prophecy"
Oh boy..... This is getting good. Had no idea someone was posting from JonesTown.
I'd love for you to call me those names in person.
You are performing to perfection, absolutely Neanderthalic...Now you are an internet tough guy....
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 18:57
You are performing to perfection, absolutely Neanderthalic...Now you are an internet tough guy....
Nope, many here have met me in person. Earlier the homosexuals and everyone else who disagree with your batshit crazy rants were "shock troops" bent on destroying the American family. Now, you're fine with homosexuals?
DeltaSierra
10-18-12, 19:07
I'd love for you to call me those names in person.
Yeah, I'd kinda like to see that as well....
Speaking of "neanderthalic internet tough guys" I think SafetyHit needs to take a look in the mirror.......
RancidSumo
10-18-12, 19:17
I read all your links and I still think you are off your rocker.
I also thought the movie (the point of this thread if you will recall) was almost on the same level as Denali's links. Well not quite as off the wall stupid and it had a few facts tossed in occasionally but other than that...
I gather most of you are Pro Obama supporters:confused:
You ever read The Roots Of Obama's Rage? That explains it all.
Or better yet The Communist:Frank Marshall Davis: The Untold Story of Barack Obama's Mentor.
Or Barack Obama & Larry Sinclair: Cocaine, Sex, Lies & Murder.
I can go on and on but what's the point.
He supports OIC, MPAC, CAIR, Hamas, Hezbo, PLO, Chavez, Iran, etc..
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 20:08
I gather most of you are Pro Obama supporters:confused:
You ever read The Roots Of Obama's Rage? That explains it all.
Or better yet The Communist:Frank Marshall Davis: The Untold Story of Barack Obama's Mentor.
Or Barack Obama & Larry Sinclair: Cocaine, Sex, Lies & Murder.
I can go on and on but what's the point.
He supports OIC, MPAC, CAIR, Hamas, Hezbo, PLO, Chavez, Iran, etc..
You just don't get it if you think anyone in this thread is pro Obama.
Moose-Knuckle
10-18-12, 20:26
What exactly was it that you thought the documentary was about? Its about an "anti-colonial marxist" named Obama...
That's what I thought it was about based on the thread title. But as usual the dissussion HAS to be turned into a homosexual one. I really wished someone would just start a Big Gay Thread already. That way everyone who is pro-homo, anti-homo, or homo themselves can fire away without taking away from other subject matters.
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 20:27
That's what I thought it was about based on the thread title. But as usual the dissussion HAS to be turned into a homosexual one. I really wished someone would just start a Big Gay Thread already. That way everyone who is pro-homo, anti-homo, or homo themselves can fire away without taking away from other subject matters.
Or we could nuke GD.
GeorgiaBoy
10-18-12, 20:35
That's what I thought it was about based on the thread title. But as usual the dissussion HAS to be turned into a homosexual one. I really wished someone would just start a Big Gay Thread already. That way everyone who is pro-homo, anti-homo, or homo themselves can fire away without taking away from other subject matters.
No one is debating whether homosexuality is "right" or "wrong". We are debating how much of a joke Denali's argument is revolving around the conspiracy theory that Marxists are creating an age with a lack of "western Christian sexual morals" being proliferated by an acceptance that homosexuals are normal people and deserve the same rights as heterosexuals.
And that ANYONE who believes that homosexuality is "ok" and are for gay rights have been sublimely brainwashed to believe that - as if no normal person couldn't make that decision on their own.
nineteenkilo
10-18-12, 20:35
Or we could nuke GD.
I read your earlier reasoning for this in the rant thread. I understand what you're getting at, but I don't think it will work for several reasons.
1. With GD, at least it is confined to a single sub that may or may not really be watched "(taking time from Mods real jobs)
2. See point 1. Nuking GD would cause the immediate migration of bullshit (like most of this thread) into another thread somewhere else. At that point, a Mod would have to punt the thread and if repeated infractions ensued, the banhammer would have to come out. This simply creates more work for any moderator and may cause other members to lose valuable information if the thread gets nuked.
3. No one, not even the biggest dick of a mod on the lowest form of board ever, wants to ban a member. It is an unfortunate reality that it has to happen, but no one likes it. Especially if that member is often correct, but cannot refrain from being a douche.
I dunno man - it's a slippery slope.
Magic_Salad0892
10-18-12, 20:35
Or we could nuke GD.
Can't let the minority **** it up for the rest of us.
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 20:39
I read your earlier reasoning for this in the rant thread. I understand what you're getting at, but I don't think it will work for several reasons.
1. With GD, at least it is confined to a single sub that may or may not really be watched "(taking time from Mods real jobs)
2. See point 1. Nuking GD would cause the immediate migration of bullshit (like most of this thread) into another thread somewhere else. At that point, a Mod would have to punt the thread and if repeated infractions ensued, the banhammer would have to come out. This simply creates more work for any moderator and may cause other members to lose valuable information if the thread gets nuked.
3. No one, not even the biggest dick of a mod on the lowest form of board ever, wants to ban a member. It is an unfortunate reality that it has to happen, but no one likes it. Especially if that member is often correct, but cannot refrain from being a douche.
I dunno man - it's a slippery slope.
When a forum gets this big, you bet they'll nuke a member.
This forum is avowedly a technical forum. Not supposed to be a forum where the mods spend 90% of their time dealing with GD. Nuking GD and running off the guys that think GD is their pulpit would drastically change the signal to noise ratio here.
Nope, many here have met me in person. Earlier the homosexuals and everyone else who disagree with your batshit crazy rants were "shock troops" bent on destroying the American family. Now, you're fine with homosexuals?
You are one of the most immature individuals I've ever encountered herebouts, its shameful that such a primitive, disrespectful, personality is allowed access to this site. You've not demonstrated even the most rudimentary of courtsey, just gutter level taunts, insults, and threats, along with a ridiculous projection of internet tough guy bravura, common to a certain sub-segment of the population.
Au revoir les enfants....
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 20:58
You are one of the most immature individuals I've ever encountered herebouts, its shameful that such a primitive, disrespectful, personality is allowed access to this site. You've not demonstrated even the most rudimentary of courtsey, just gutter level taunts, insults, and threats, along with a ridiculous projection of internet tough guy bravura, common to a certain sub-segment of the population.
Au revoir les enfants....
Any time you want to settle up with a postal match, just let me know. Ante up or shut up.
No one is debating whether homosexuality is "right" or "wrong". We are debating how much of a joke Denali's argument is revolving around the conspiracy theory that Marxists are creating an age with a lack of "western Christian sexual morals" being proliferated by an acceptance that homosexuals are normal people and deserve the same rights as heterosexuals.
And that ANYONE who believes that homosexuality is "ok" and are for gay rights have been sublimely brainwashed to believe that - as if no normal person couldn't make that decision on their own.
You're not debating anything, you're in the process of shouting down! You're a bully, as are your friends. So please, by all means take you revolting friend, and run to the mods, and complain, bring them in to the thread so that they may read yours, and your friends vicious, personal attacks, upon myself, who only made the mistake of attempting to treat you as an adult, do that, and see what happens sport.....
Littlelebowski
10-18-12, 21:11
You're not debating anything, you're in the process of shouting down! You're a bully, as are your friends. So please, by all means take you revolting friend, and run to the mods, and complain, bring them in to the thread so that they may read yours, and your friends vicious, personal attacks, upon myself, who only made the mistake of attempting to treat you as an adult, do that, and see what happens sport.....
He just called you the **** out and instead of sticking with your "au revoir," you're whining.
I'd say have "fun shooting" but I'm pretty sure you'll be reading the Book of Revelations, screaming at traffic until someone confronts you, and then firmly tucking tail and running.
SWATcop556
10-18-12, 21:17
Since no one can play nice everyone can go to timeout.
PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY THIS AREA SHOULD DISAPPEAR.
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