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Does anyone know when Magpul will release their new PMags and XTM panels?
I've been holding off on buying new PMAGS but the schedule went from Spring - Summer - Fall and not sure if they'll update again and say "Soon in 2013".
XTM - are out of stock in many places so I guess that's coming sooner vs later.
I am waiting on the xtm enhanced rail covers as well.
I think most with a standard AR will prefer the current pmags from the reviews I've read about the new ones. Feed lips snagging seems to be an issue and I haven't read any benefit to standard AR users from the new mags. The new ones were made to be compatible across a wider range of rifles.
I think most with a standard AR will prefer the current pmags from the reviews I've read about the new ones. Feed lips snagging seems to be an issue and I haven't read any benefit to standard AR users from the new mags. The new ones were made to be compatible across a wider range of rifles.
Go ahead and post a link to those reviews you have been reading.
Hey Stickman, can you post pics of the new XTM and PMAG? It would be my Sunday night gun porn. Uber thanks.
Go ahead and post a link to those reviews you have been reading.
I just tried googling it and can't find it anymore, it might have been taken down. I read it about 1-2 weeks ago and it made the point that the new design of the feed lips made it prone to snag when taken out of conventional mag pouches. I didn't read any positive notes about it other than being compatible across a wider range of rifles. I'm sure others here saw the same review, maybe someone here can provide the link if its still up.
I found one new reference of a Nov 2012 release date but only in black. I'm not sure if Magpul will release other colors in the new M3 because the quoted text said that with dyes - weakens the plastic.
Article (http://kitup.military.com/2012/09/mdm-magpuls-latest-pmag.html)
I doubt you read a review of the GenM3, because no one has them to review, except Dynamics and the few mil units doing field testing with pre-production samples, and they JUST got them. If there was one, someone will be getting their arse chewed. Also, there is nothing in the design that would cause what you are talking about with feed lips. There have been numerous changes from the PMAG, but the only thing that could snag is the over travel stop on the spine, and I've had no issue in any of the pouches I've been running for the past few weeks. This is the most reliable PMAG yet in our endurance testing, although there wasn't a whole lot of improvement room to be had, it's crazy strong, there are numerous little features that are really nice to haves, etc. There will be an official announcement coming soon about the release and other important things, along with some CRAZY giveaways. Watch our FB and newsletters for coming news.
XTM enhanced is finalized, some may have seen them at Modern Day Marine. Release announcement is pending. Hand stop kit to follow shortly.
Lots of stuff about to hit for Q4 and SHOT that you haven't seen yet, and that we have made an effort to stay tight lipped about until we are actually ready to ship...
New Colors are almost ready, as well.
We've been busy little bees...
I found one new reference of a Nov 2012 release date but only in black. I'm not sure if Magpul will release other colors in the new M3 because the quoted text said that with dyes - weakens the plastic.
Article (http://kitup.military.com/2012/09/mdm-magpuls-latest-pmag.html)
Certainly nothing in that article to suggest a review, just an expo blurb... I haven't seen any actual "reviews" yet.
To add, initial release if the Gen M3 will be only in black. Window will be along shortly. There are some things planned that you may not be expecting.
Hey Stickman, can you post pics of the new XTM and PMAG? It would be my Sunday night gun porn. Uber thanks.
No, because they aren't out yet, which makes me think someone is full of it. They aren't getting reviewed because production models aren't out, though trolls who dislike Magpul never let little things like that bother them.
I just tried googling it and can't find it anymore, it might have been taken down. I read it about 1-2 weeks ago and it made the point that the new design of the feed lips made it prone to snag when taken out of conventional mag pouches. I didn't read any positive notes about it other than being compatible across a wider range of rifles. I'm sure others here saw the same review, maybe someone here can provide the link if its still up.
So you jumped into a thread about XTM panels to post negative comments about new PMAGs, which you have no first hand knowledge of, and have nothing to back it up even if it were on topic?
Can you see where that makes you look like a troll?
Stick will have them shortly.
I doubt you read a review of the GenM3, because no one has them to review, except Dynamics and the few mil units doing field testing with pre-production samples, and they JUST got them. If there was one, someone will be getting their arse chewed. Also, there is nothing in the design that would cause what you are talking about with feed lips. There have been numerous changes from the PMAG, but the only thing that could snag is the over travel stop on the spine, and I've had no issue in any of the pouches I've been running for the past few weeks. This is the most reliable PMAG yet in our endurance testing, although there wasn't a whole lot of improvement room to be had, it's crazy strong, there are numerous little features that are really nice to haves, etc. There will be an official announcement coming soon about the release and other important things, along with some CRAZY giveaways. Watch our FB and newsletters for coming news.
XTM enhanced is finalized, some may have seen them at Modern Day Marine. Release announcement is pending. Hand stop kit to follow shortly.
Lots of stuff about to hit for Q4 and SHOT that you haven't seen yet, and that we have made an effort to stay tight lipped about until we are actually ready to ship...
New Colors are almost ready, as well.
We've been busy little bees...
It was definitely about the M3, even had a pic of it... I suspect it was taken down due to what you are pointing out in your post as it was one of the first things google pulled up when searching for M3 Magpul review. I was hoping the review was BS.
New Colors are almost ready, as well.
Stealth Gray for the new M16 stock, by chance? I'm thinking my A2 would look great with the MOE M16 stock, rifle-length handguards, and new Pmags in that color... :smile:
So you jumped into a thread about XTM panels to post negative comments about new PMAGs, which you have no first hand knowledge of, and have nothing to back it up even if it were on topic?
Can you see where that makes you look like a troll?
Sorry I thought this was a forum to discuss these type of things. I said I read it in a review so don't shoot the messenger. If the review was BS don't you think others should know? Apparently relaying information makes me a troll. You sure seem sensitive to negative reviews for a company you work for. :rolleyes:
So what's up with other colors than black being weaker? Does that mean that the stuff I have in FDE is not as good?
I had never heard this before.
Stick will have them shortly.
I for one will look forward to seeing the newest pmag. And Stickman's photo's are always 1st rate.
Not sure where that would have come from...probably someone who doesn't even have one yet, and used one of the photos that are floating around. We are just wrapping up internal testing and none of them have been allowed "into the wild" before we finished that. Our test crew has made a LOT of empty brass from these mags...
All colors have to pass testing requirements.
Not sure where that would have come from...probably someone who doesn't even have one yet, and used one of the photos that are floating around. We are just wrapping up internal testing and none of them have been allowed "into the wild" before we finished that. Our test crew has made a LOT of empty brass from these mags...
What do you do with all the empty 5.56 brass?
Mike
So what's up with other colors than black being weaker? Does that mean that the stuff I have in FDE is not as good?
I had never heard this before.
Article "Magpul Dynamics officials showed off their newest version of the popular PMAG polymer magazine at Modern Day Marine 2012. They say the PMAG 30 Gen M3 is the most durable, reliable PMAG yet.
The M3 features geometry similar to the EMAG but features a refined follower, a stronger magazine well catch and a special over-travel stud on the rear of the magazine to prevent damage from forceful magazine seating, said Duane Liptak Jr., director of Product Management and Marketing at Magpul.
“Even with USGI magazines, you can slam it in there too hard and damage the magazine catch,” Liptak said. “Now you can slam it in as hard as you want.”
The new design also has a slimmer floor plate to make it easier to fit into magazine pouches. The M3 should be available by November but in black only, Liptak said. “Anytime you add color to the polymer, it can decrease the strength." - "Maybe taken out of context by the journalist but this is how I read it " - Freebug
A window version of the M3 is also scheduled for release this fall.
The new PMAGs should cost the same as current PMAGs and fit M4 style carbines including the Heckler & Koch 416, which the Marine Corps recently adopted as its new Infantry Automatic Rifle.
Read more: http://kitup.military.com/2012/09/mdm-magpuls-latest-pmag.html#ixzz29IdOUzRK
Kit Up! "
URL - http://kitup.military.com/2012/09/mdm-magpuls-latest-pmag.html
Anyway - thanks. I'm looking forward to a massive order of additional PMAGs to already add to my PMAG collection.
As for "black" only and being stronger - whatever. I think the journalist who wrote it may have taken the statement out of context or interpreted it incorrectly. I like all colors of PMAG.
The new XTMs are sure to be more grippy and I no longer need to stipple everything.
Magpul - thanks you guys make great stuff and made in the USA. Any chance for an aluminum rail?
Yep...part of the whole story. The important word in the strength vs color quote is "can". Each formulation is different, and requires its own testing.
I suspect that black is better in UV.
I just ordered an STR in FDE for my upcoming rifle build. I'd hate for it to be not as good.
*What sold me on the STR was that blog post about the strongest AR stocks in the first place.
Hopefully it' all really just a non-issue.
If it makes you feel any better, almost all my furniture is FDE or OD. A couple black CTRs are the only exceptions.
And I really like the STR, so you might see it in gray soon, also.
And I really like the STR, so you might see it in gray soon, also.
Awesome!
I'm probably worrying too much about a non-issue. For crying out loud, I'm in the Bay Area and my guns live in a safe and I sadly don't get shot that much---I'm not in the Tora-Bora...
I like the FDE color and it was $50 cheaper than the black when I ordered a complete LPK build kit for my lower. Win win for me.
SPQR476-
Don't mean to bring up something thats been covered before about the new mags but is that "over travel stud" going to be easy to grind off or will that do some kind of damage to the magazine in terms of function?
I ask because I get the feeling that stud is going to give me problems while running my FB pouches.
Thanks.
trackmagic
10-14-12, 19:26
Not sure if this is something you can post about on an open forum, but do you have any plans to make a 20 round version of this mag? I am an AR minority because I use 20's a lot. Not trying to be a troll, but your 20 mags could use the update.
The stud is purely an external feature, and somewhat redundant...so I suppose you could take most of it off, but it really isn't that pronounced, and hasn't been tested that way.
It's WAY less of an issue than an AK mag catch tab, in any case.
Not sure if this is something you can post about on an open forum, but do you have any plans to make a 20 round version of this mag? I am an AR minority because I use 20's a lot. Not trying to be a troll, but your 20 mags could use the update.
Well... :-)
It's WAY less of an issue than an AK mag catch tab, in any case.
speaking of AK's , any chance of a line of Magpul products for that platform? please?
Only so much info I can give out...
Lots of things in the works!
At any rate you guys run a stand up outfit. Would love to have some good American made magazines
So you're telling us that there'll definitely be an iPhone 5 case? Gotcha.
Thanks Duane!
Magpul's Products and communication with the end users is really appreciated!
And I really like the STR, so you might see it in gray soon, also.
I was going to refrain from asking but since you brought up the possibility of a gray STR... Any chance for SOCOM DE(DD DE) colored stuff?
No other new colors are currently planned, besides the recently announced stealth gray and the limited pink.
Apparently relaying information makes me a troll.
No, you were relaying rumor and conjecture, had nothing with which to back it up, thereby making yourself appear a troll...and got called on it. Bit of a difference.
Howsabout just accepting the fact that you were incorrect, and simply got corrected...? You're being shown a fair amount of forbearance, and aren't recognizing it.
Recognize it, please, and endeavour to verify your sources PRIOR to posting, next time.
No other new colors are currently planned, besides the recently announced stealth gray and the limited pink.
When is pink coming out
No other new colors are currently planned, besides the recently announced stealth gray and the limited pink.
I think the Stealth Grey will be a huge hit, I know I lept for joy when I saw the release pics on fb. A stealth grey str, xtm, and moe grip will look sexy on my sr-15.
No, you were relaying rumor and conjecture, had nothing with which to back it up, thereby making yourself appear a troll...and got called on it. Bit of a difference.
Howsabout just accepting the fact that you were incorrect, and simply got corrected...? You're being shown a fair amount of forbearance, and aren't recognizing it.
Recognize it, please, and endeavour to verify your sources PRIOR to posting, next time.
Looks like my sources were right... Check out the post by Magpul's rep talking about snagging issues. https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=116109. Apparently I'm psychic and just knew about these things.... You get jumped on by all the fanboys when you post something negative... Even when it's just a review I had nothing to do with... Great call on me being a troll... What a joke!
Oh, and what do you expect people to do, print out every review they read just in case it gets taken down. Maybe you should recognize I was correct.
justlikeanyoneelse
11-07-12, 20:07
dan, do not take it personally. This is just a forum and nothing more.
Just enjoy vindication.
Discussion is fine. Posting some information from a dubious source that cannot be verified especially after we have the Magpul Rep stating it was probably BS isn't the same nor is it allowed.
Sorry I thought this was a forum to discuss these type of things. I said I read it in a review so don't shoot the messenger. If the review was BS don't you think others should know? Apparently relaying information makes me a troll. You sure seem sensitive to negative reviews for a company you work for. :rolleyes:
Great call on me being a troll...
Great call on me NOT calling you a troll. Another member did that. If you'd been trolling, you'd have gotten an infraction.
Did you get an infraction...? No, you did not. I know, because I can access that info, the same as any other staff member. You can still get one for Disrespect to a Moderator/Staff, complete with temp-ban, unless you want to buy yourself a bottle brush, with which you might scrub the sand from your labia. Your whining in the other thread was noted by another staffer, so you're doing a fantastic job of skylining yourself as a burgeoning problem. Food for thought, your current infraction-free status is a matter of sufferance on our part, and not the validity of your position.
You're the one that quoted MY post, which clearly states ...appear a troll..., which is the same semantic difference that exists in calling a person an idiot vs. saying that they did something idiotic. There's a telling difference between the two.
I phrased it the way I did for a reason, being that you posted what was at the time an unverified piece of info...which isn't the same thing as trolling. That's a nice little piece of revisionism ya got going there....
This is what happens when folks are only taught what's necessary to pass standardized tests, vice being educated.
Stop posting in this thread; your village is certain to be missing you, by now.
If you'd PM'd me to ask for background on the reasoning behind my statement, I'd have relayed the above info to you in the same manner, and you'd have been able to go on with folks only suspecting you're a braying ass, instead of opening your suck and confirming it in front of everybody.
I'd rock a pink pmag.
In all seriousness I'm excited about more colors. Any possibility of seeing brighter colors like orange one day ? It would be nice to differentiate training mags from the rest. Although I don't mind continuing to spray paint them.
We initially weren't going to do pink mags, but there's been a lot of requests. We'll make a batch of MOE mags and see how the pink holds up in testing, then go from there.
So, I see some places selling the M3 (always out of stock), the new XTM handstop (also out of stock) and the XTM Enhanced Panels (also out of stock).
So, are the XTM handstop and panels really released or are all these on-line stores just backfilling their books with pre-orders? I can't find any PR around the actual releases of these products.
I also did a Google search and found a bunch of Chinese knock offs of the XTM Enhanced.......
So, I see some places selling the M3 (always out of stock), the new XTM handstop (also out of stock) and the XTM Enhanced Panels (also out of stock).
So, are the XTM handstop and panels really released or are all these on-line stores just backfilling their books with pre-orders? I can't find any PR around the actual releases of these products.
I also did a Google search and found a bunch of Chinese knock offs of the XTM Enhanced.......
https://www.primaryarms.com/MAGPUL_PMAG_30rd_NON_Window_GEN_M3_Black_FREE_SH_p/mag557-blk.htm
They seem to have been in stock every day since release.
Thanks for the link, but they don't ship to commie/socialist KALIFORNIA. :cray:
Anyone actually find the XTM handstops available? I've been waiting for this all too long. If it functions as good as it looks/sounds then it'll be replacing my vertical grip.
XTM handstops are extremely close. It's a complex package, so lots of pieces to get right. Could have had them out months ago, but there were a few things we weren't happy with, and the texture was something that we've messed with a bit to have it meet requirements goals.
What's not very amusing is the fact that we've had Chinese XTM handstop counterfeits come in as "warranty claims". They knocked off the SLS prototypes we showed previously, right down to having the incorrect texture that we've since changed.
I'd tell you how happy we are with the final version, and how we'll be switching a lot of guns over to these, but we're not exactly unbiased, so I'll let them speak for themselves.
What's not very amusing is the fact that we've had Chinese XTM handstop counterfeits come in as "warranty claims". They knocked off the SLS prototypes we showed previously, right down to having the incorrect texture that we've since changed.
That's crazy. They don't waste a minute ripping stuff off! :eek:
XTM handstops are extremely close. It's a complex package, so lots of pieces to get right. Could have had them out months ago, but there were a few things we weren't happy with, and the texture was something that we've messed with a bit to have it meet requirements goals.
What's not very amusing is the fact that we've had Chinese XTM handstop counterfeits come in as "warranty claims". They knocked off the SLS prototypes we showed previously, right down to having the incorrect texture that we've since changed.
I'd tell you how happy we are with the final version, and how we'll be switching a lot of guns over to these, but we're not exactly unbiased, so I'll let them speak for themselves.
Glad to hear it. My gut tells me if Magpul rushed all these products out then it wouldn't be the same Magpul. Perfection takes time. :)
Can't say I'm really surprised by the Chinese knockoffs. I'll leave that for the Airsoft kiddos.
fiddly_foo
11-12-12, 12:03
Can't wait to get the XTM handstop kit...
XTM handstops are extremely close. It's a complex package, so lots of pieces to get right. Could have had them out months ago, but there were a few things we weren't happy with, and the texture was something that we've messed with a bit to have it meet requirements goals.
Good to hear! I have been patiently waiting for these for a while. :)
I just ordered 10 using the above link. Took 2 separate orders (they limit to 5 for free shipping). I will relay the info if I find any problems. However I do not expect to have any.
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skullworks
11-15-12, 06:53
Looks like my sources were right... Check out the post by Magpul's rep talking about snagging issues. https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=116109.
I quote;
"Some testers have indicated hang ups when using tall 3 mag shingles with short bungees--the bungee snagging on the over insertion stop when removing the middle mag first. The stop is ramped to avoid this, however, and we've been unable to duplicate this with the pouch they've had issues with, so we're looking at it closer. From looking at it, if there is any bungee snagging, adding a smudge to the bungee length would solve it."
Meaning: if you have adjustable pouches, make sure they're not too tight. Therefore the mags are not the problem; having your mag carrier adjusted for a different type of magazine than the one you are carrying is.
Test you're gear before you roll out - and twice after you change anything in your load-out.
rkrobert86
02-14-13, 14:17
I just got my Magpul XTM Enhanced rail covers in and tried to snap them on... so far no dice. Does anyone know how to snap these damn things on my gun before I get so pissed that I throw them in the trash?!?!?:confused:
I just got my Magpul XTM Enhanced rail covers in and tried to snap them on... so far no dice. Does anyone know how to snap these damn things on my gun before I get so pissed that I throw them in the trash?!?!?:confused:
Push harder.
If you can't, use pliers and they will lock into place. These are certainly more hard core than the earlier standard XTMs, its not just you.
ZINCOGNITO
02-14-13, 18:26
I wonder how much longer it's going to be till we get some FDE XTM E panels......
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q114/wayne1one/Various%20firearms/f801782d-a4ac-4318-bc78-35728aa4c71d_zpse5abb178.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q114/wayne1one/Various%20firearms/0e541135-7abe-4b12-92b4-0d9fbd859ccb_zpsf0613278.jpg
I am definitely looking forward to checking out the new hand stops. They look like a nice lightweight option... I am hoping that they are MOE+ ish texture wise instead of the traditional plastic feel.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q114/wayne1one/Various%20firearms/f801782d-a4ac-4318-bc78-35728aa4c71d_zpse5abb178.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q114/wayne1one/Various%20firearms/0e541135-7abe-4b12-92b4-0d9fbd859ccb_zpsf0613278.jpg
That looks great. Thanks for the pics...
I am definitely looking forward to checking out the new hand stops. They look like a nice lightweight option... I am hoping that they are MOE+ ish texture wise instead of the traditional plastic feel.
no they don't have the MOE+ texture to them, just a raised plastic feel similar to a mild stippling.
That looks great. Thanks for the pics...
No problem bro!!
Where can I find the new XTM Enhanced?
I got two of the hand stops and find that I like it installed "backwards" where I can use my index finger as the grab point. If I install it per instructions, it doesn't feel right to me.
The texturing on the new XTM (came with my hand stop) is different than what was on the CG image on Magpul.com. They changed it last minute and it looks like little tire tracks. Stickiness is great though!
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