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I been debating on a SCAR 16 with a 10.5" barrel.
Does anybody have any pros or cons on this platform?
Thanks for any replies.
jonconsiglio
10-14-12, 12:42
I've handled a couple different 10.5" SCARs and they ran very well. One was at a class another guy was running and it performed well for the three days.
I have the 16 and 17 and have been thinking about SBR'ing the 16 as well. Not sure if I want to go 10.5" or 12" though, if I ever even get around to it.
I really can't think of any reason not to do it if you like the rifle. I prefer an AR in 5.56, but the SCAR is very reliable and quite accurate. It handles well and is a smooth operating rifle.
Would you sell a Arsenal SLR107-UR SBR for one?
I like the ones I've played with..
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/FN%20FAL/IMG_6773%201028%20Stick.jpg
A coworker let me play around with his auto SCAR 10.5 inch. Ha does really well and was fairly easy to control on auto.
I appreciate the kind words.
But I want to know if it's worth getting rid of my Bulgarian Arsenal Krink SBR to get a SCAR 16 10.5" SBR.
I guess I could just save up if Obama doesn't take all my money to buy one in the future.:suicide2:
I appreciate the kind words.
But I want to know if it's worth getting rid of my Bulgarian Arsenal Krink SBR to get a SCAR 16 10.5" SBR.
How can we answer that for you? I know that I have no idea what calibers you like, what ammo you stock pile, or what puts a smile on your face.
Go with whatever you want, I know personally if I SBR something, I won't ever get rid of it.
I'm keeping all my NFA stuff.
I'll just have to save my ass off to get a SCAR.
I got to shoot one of these just a few weeks ago up at Ft Dix. Held some full sized variants a few times at various trade shows, but being able to shoot the SBR was exceptionally nice.
Unfortunately most can't own one here, but since this fellow also had a silenced MP5 I assume he was good to go. Wanted to find out but a range employee wouldn't stop bullshiting with the guy long enough for me to ask him after I got to shoot it.
I cant honestly make a decision as to whether I like my SCAR 16s SBR more than my 10.5" LMT, but they are both pretty much the only rifles I ever shoot anymore...
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That's quite a dilemma you have there Mr. Franklin. But I'm lucky, living where I do I don't have to worry about it.
Would you sell a Arsenal SLR107-UR SBR for one?
NEVER thats the best AK hands down and the hardest to replace
I think I jumped onto the SCAR bandwagon too quickly early on. I don't think they're bad at all, just not as good as I would've liked. They never seem to leave the safe anymore, but the ARs get a lot of exercise.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
10-21-13, 00:11
I been debating on a SCAR 16 with a 10.5" barrel.
Does anybody have any pros or cons on this platform?
Thanks for any replies.
What purpose do you need/want it for? Will you be using it for duty? Do you own a suppressor/do you plan on suppressing the SCAR?
Why on earth would you get rid of an already SBR'd Krink of quality origin? SBR, IMO, means keep it forever.
My 10.5" SCAR 16 and 13" SCAR 17 have both run extremely well enduring a year of minimal mainentance which consistent of occasionally spraying some lube on the bolt before shooting.
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Both suppress will with the AAC-762-SDN6 that they share. I'd like a mini can for the 16 but with NFA times, I'll just live with the heavier can when shooting the 16
OP, where in Florida are you? I'm in the panhandle and if you are ever out this way, PM me and we can meet at a range to get you acquainted with the SBR SCARs.
I've found myself curious about a SCAR 16 SBR lately and I believe this will be relevant to the OP's post.
Given that there is now a choice in the matter of buying a factory 10" CQC barrel assembly, or having Marvin or another qualified shop cut down your 16" barrel, which is the better decision?
Obviously, cost is a factor, but another consideration is resale value.
The 10" CQC assembly costs 8 or 10X as much as having the barrel chopped to 10.5", correct? So there's that...
If one were go buy a factory 10" CQC assembly, and engrave the SBR maker info on said barrel, you could reinstall your 16" barrel assembly and sell the rifle as a non-NFA item if the need were to arise. I'm sure someone would buy a factory 10" assembly with your name on it as well.
So the question is, with pros & cons to both, which is a more sensible approach?
I beilve from my experience you could not engrave the barrel
It must be the upper receiver.
Yep, engrave the upper.
Put a 16"+ barrel back in it, and it's not a SBR anymore.
Yep, engrave the upper.
Put a 16"+ barrel back in it, and it's not a SBR anymore.
How ever u would have to replace that reciever or sell it- or the whole rifle as an nfa item- replace if the barrel does not change the registry
Weirdly enough, that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
Sorry gentlemen, but the barrel is an acceptability place to engrave SBR maker info.
From the NFA handbook:
The serial number must be engraved or stamped on the receiver of the firearm and the caliber, model, and identification of the maker must be engraved on the barrel or frame or receiver of the weapon.
ATF has some conflicting issues. If you contact the NFA branch and speak to a specialist, they'll tell you to engrave the upper on the SCAR, not the barrel.
It is legal IMO to engrave the barrel, however the issue is how you make sure the engraving is visible without taking the weapon apart. On a 10" CQC barrel this would be tough, as there isn't much / any exposed barrel to engrave.
How ever u would have to replace that reciever or sell it- or the whole rifle as an nfa item- replace if the barrel does not change the registry
No, you can sell an engraved receive as a non-NFA item as long as you don't sell it in an NFA configuration.
NFA branch requests you inform them to remove it from the NFA registry, but I could install a 16" OAL barrel on my SCARs and sell them, even with the engraving.
It is legal IMO to engrave the barrel, however the issue is how you make sure the engraving is visible without taking the weapon apart. On a 10" CQC barrel this would be tough, as there isn't much / any exposed barrel to engrave.
I agree, and for further discussion on this point, see here:https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=140055
Legal considerations aside, any opinions on the factory 10" CQC assembly VS. having a competent gunsmith chop the original barrel down to 10.5"?
It's cheaper to just send it to Marvin. Spend the extra cash on ammo and train with it. I don't think the resale value difference would justify the cost of the short factory barrel.
Legal considerations aside, any opinions on the factory 10" CQC assembly VS. having a competent gunsmith chop the original barrel down to 10.5"?
$1000 for a barrel assembly is a lot of scratch, no doubt.
Cost to have Marvin cut down a barrel, $150 plus shipping to him (insured), say @$15, plus a couple of gas control screws to get it correct for the new barrel length, so say $25 for a couple of screws and shipping.
So you're looking at about $200 vs $1000. Of course you have an factory warranty behind the CQC barrel but I've never heard of Marvin f-ing up a SCAR barrel.
I didn't have the desire to wait for the FN CQC barrels which had been "coming soon" for almost two years, so my only real option was to get them cut down. And honestly even if I did, I'm 90% sure I'd have it cut down again vs FN CQC, simply because I don't have a need for a 16" SCAR 16 barrel.
Now with my SCAR 17, I would have been more likely to get a CQC 13" barrel because I can see situations where I'd like to put the 16" barrel back in. But again, I didn't want to wait as well as spending $400-ish to cut both barrels is a lot more palatable than $2000 for OEM CQC barrels. I might at some point pick up a lightly used 16" SCAR 17 barrel if I find a decent deal, but it's not a priority right now.
IMO, Marvin has a rock solid reputation and lots of SCAR cut down experience, so I really can't imagine there is any real perceivable functions difference. Of course I haven't seen / used a CQC barrel, so my perspective is limited.
Thanks for the insight. I have no doubt in Marvin's abilities, he's dimpled a few AR barrels for me.
I suppose if one were so inclined you could sell a 16" barrel to partially offset the cost of the CQC. It couldn't be that hard to get $500 for a nice assembly.
$1000 for a barrel assembly is a lot of scratch, no doubt.
Cost to have Marvin cut down a barrel, $150 plus shipping to him (insured), say @$15, plus a couple of gas control screws to get it correct for the new barrel length, so say $25 for a couple of screws and shipping.
So you're looking at about $200 vs $1000. Of course you have an factory warranty behind the CQC barrel but I've never heard of Marvin f-ing up a SCAR barrel.
I didn't have the desire to wait for the FN CQC barrels which had been "coming soon" for almost two years, so my only real option was to get them cut down. And honestly even if I did, I'm 90% sure I'd have it cut down again vs FN CQC, simply because I don't have a need for a 16" SCAR 16 barrel.
Now with my SCAR 17, I would have been more likely to get a CQC 13" barrel because I can see situations where I'd like to put the 16" barrel back in. But again, I didn't want to wait as well as spending $400-ish to cut both barrels is a lot more palatable than $2000 for OEM CQC barrels. I might at some point pick up a lightly used 16" SCAR 17 barrel if I find a decent deal, but it's not a priority right now.
IMO, Marvin has a rock solid reputation and lots of SCAR cut down experience, so I really can't imagine there is any real perceivable functions difference. Of course I haven't seen / used a CQC barrel, so my perspective is limited.
Marvin has done great work for me in the past for many projects. His quality is great, at a price point that's hard to beat. I wouldn't hesitate to send him a SCAR barrel.
If you don't have a gas plug with the right I.d.
Or you have had one on back order from FN for like 2 years lol
Tell him you would like him to open it up
He has the correct numbers.
Just an FYI guys the OP is a year old. Good info in this thread though.
In all honesty, before anyone spends their hard earned money, I think it's important for me to state a couple things.
I thought in the beginning that the SCAR was the next evolution in carbines. I spent a lot of money, and yes, I work for a living. I jumped in with both feet.
None of my 4 project SCAR's really lived up to their expectations. Everyone has gripes, I don't think they're bad at all, it just seemed that FN dropped the ball on many aspects when it really counts, as in running the rifles.
I don't think I'd ever sell any of them. I invested in them too much. In reality though, they never leave the safe anymore, I prefer other platforms.
It's hard to tell what's going to work with you better without trying stuff out a lot, but that's the unfortunate reality that we live in.
I'm not trying to bash them saying this, I still try out options on them when I can. I think they're really good overall, just not up to par with other rifles that get out of the safe much more often than them.
I sold my 17s and the 16s is put away in a hard case, hasn't seen the light of day in a few months. My KAC SR15 SBR with the 3t brake and (most of the time) the NT4; is where its at. Been running it over the last month against all the critters in the yard during the twilight hours with a PVS14 on my head and having a blast.
Ferris2son
10-29-13, 21:35
Wouldn't trade it for anything.
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