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Safetyhit
10-16-12, 08:57
I have seen several papers sent home now where he has points taken off for using "I" in his sentence exercises. Discussed the matter with the teacher, she said that she just doesn't want the kids to only focus on themselves. I said I understood that noble concept, but of course he has to use that term often in life.

She said she understood my concern and wouldn't forbid the use of I, just wanted to regulate it a bit. I said ok but have been watching, as you see this teacher uses what is known as the "constructivist" method of teaching, which I have learned is a progressive theory of learning.

Anyway, last night I check his homework folder and once again all I's, only two of them in a total of 5 sentences, have been marked as incorrect. The guilty sentence: "When I am bigger I can have a phone".

Sent an email to the teacher last night reminding her that this is not a Communist nation and that while my son is a member of society, he is not part of a collective. He is an individual who will use "I" often as an adult and should not be made guilty for doing so. She has remained silent so far, I am meeting with the principal today or tomorrow.

This is the last damn thing I need to be wasting time and energy on right now, but it has really started to piss me off. And I don't want tension with his teacher because I like to participate in class activities and don't want her to start resenting him. Parents beware, you could be next.

glocktogo
10-16-12, 09:23
Stupid is the new smart! :rolleyes:

500grains
10-16-12, 10:02
wouldn't forbid the use of I, just wanted to regulate it a bit. =

She probably heard one of Obama's speeches and noticed that "I" is the most common word used.

Zhurdan
10-16-12, 10:27
I have seen several papers sent home now where he has points taken off for using "I" in his sentence exercises. Discussed the matter with the teacher, she said that she just doesn't want the kids to only focus on themselves. I said I understood that noble concept, but of course he has to use that term often in life.

She said she understood my concern and wouldn't forbid the use of I, just wanted to regulate it a bit. I said ok but have been watching, as you see this teacher uses what is known as the "constructivist" method of teaching, which I have learned is a progressive theory of learning.

Anyway, last night I check his homework folder and once again all I's, only two of them in a total of 5 sentences, have been marked as incorrect. The guilty sentence: "When I am bigger I can have a phone".

Sent an email to the teacher last night reminding her that this is not a Communist nation and that while my son is a member of society, he is not part of a collective. He is an individual who will use "I" often as an adult and should not be made guilty for doing so. She has remained silent so far, I am meeting with the principal today or tomorrow.

This is the last damn thing I need to be wasting time and energy on right now, but it has really started to piss me off. And I don't want tension with his teacher because I like to participate in class activities and don't want her to start resenting him. Parents beware, you could be next.

Tsk, tsk, tsk

-10

:D

It is kind of crappy, but all in all, unless you get together with other parents, it's unlikely to change. Perhaps some PTA meetings are in order?

austinN4
10-16-12, 10:43
......., but it has really started to piss me off.
As it should!

nimdabew
10-16-12, 11:00
So how should the sentence have read? "When we get older, we can all have a phone?" I would bitch and moan to the principle. Parents have a LOT more power than they would think. One set of parents raising hell is enough to cause the school board to take notice and the longer you wait, the more damage your kid could suffer by a draconian rule such as getting away from using "I".

I would bitch. I would complain. I would escalate the situation and document every interaction and save every email. I would talk to the other parents of the class and see what they think while raising your concerns. I would not act like a fool though and throw a tantrum.

ralph
10-16-12, 11:18
So how should the sentence have read? "When we get older, we can all have a phone?" I would bitch and moan to the principle. Parents have a LOT more power than they would think. One set of parents raising hell is enough to cause the school board to take notice and the longer you wait, the more damage your kid could suffer by a draconian rule such as getting away from using "I".

I would bitch. I would complain. I would escalate the situation and document every interaction and save every email. I would talk to the other parents of the class and see what they think while raising your concerns. I would not act like a fool though and throw a tantrum.

In addition to all the above, I would also be actively looking for a private school to put him in...

Watrdawg
10-16-12, 11:18
So how should the sentence have read? "When we get older, we can all have an OBAMA phone?" and moan to .

Correction made

MCS
10-16-12, 11:28
Correction made

Well said

nimdabew
10-16-12, 11:34
Correction made

Thank you. I forgot about the socialist spin that was lacking in my post :lol:

Caeser25
10-16-12, 11:53
In addition to all the above, I would also be actively looking for a private school to put him in...

That's running away from the problem instead of fixing it.

nineteenkilo
10-16-12, 12:04
This is nothing more than the typical 'progressive' agenda that has attempted to add your child to the 'collective'. (Nicely put btw)

I would not stand for it for one second and as a matter of public interest - I would call every media outlet who would listen. In addition, all public leaders and community organizers need to be made aware of what is transpiring in your area.

This rubbish has got to stop before it ends up damaging your child emotionally.

Watrdawg
10-16-12, 12:07
That's running away from the problem instead of fixing it.

Yes and no. There are times when you can't fix stupid!! When they come about you have to do what is best for your kids.

My kids have been in the same Christian school since they were 4yrs old. The education is outstanding and they are encouraged to critically think about what they are being taught. Both at home and at school. We are heavily involved in their school lives and speak with their teachers regularly. Thankfully we have not had any issues so far such as the OP's

Abraxas
10-16-12, 12:14
I have seen several papers sent home now where he has points taken off for using "I" in his sentence exercises. Discussed the matter with the teacher, she said that she just doesn't want the kids to only focus on themselves. I said I understood that noble concept, but of course he has to use that term often in life.

She said she understood my concern and wouldn't forbid the use of I, just wanted to regulate it a bit. I said ok but have been watching, as you see this teacher uses what is known as the "constructivist" method of teaching, which I have learned is a progressive theory of learning.

Anyway, last night I check his homework folder and once again all I's, only two of them in a total of 5 sentences, have been marked as incorrect. The guilty sentence: "When I am bigger I can have a phone".

Sent an email to the teacher last night reminding her that this is not a Communist nation and that while my son is a member of society, he is not part of a collective. He is an individual who will use "I" often as an adult and should not be made guilty for doing so. She has remained silent so far, I am meeting with the principal today or tomorrow.

This is the last damn thing I need to be wasting time and energy on right now, but it has really started to piss me off. And I don't want tension with his teacher because I like to participate in class activities and don't want her to start resenting him. Parents beware, you could be next. Get your children out of government schools.

VooDoo6Actual
10-16-12, 12:18
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Safetyhit
10-16-12, 12:22
That's running away from the problem instead of fixing it.

Exactly.


I'm in the parking lot now, running a little early for a 1:30 meeting with the principal. After talking with several mothers in town I know who's children's went to my son's school, it is evident that this one teacher is known to be the least liked and most controversial in the school.

My son tried to tell me this over the Summer when he found out she was his teacher but I told him to not worry and just give her a chance. This is really starting to aggravate me, but I'll remain diplomatic as long as possible.

Brimstone
10-16-12, 12:31
Let us know how your meeting goes.

montanadave
10-16-12, 12:38
I agree the teacher's agenda is off the wall and her grading is prejudicial. You have every right to bitch.

Just one caveat. Don't put your kid in the middle of your fight. You can get all up in the teacher's face but your son is the one who will still be going to class tomorrow, next week, and next month. Having your kid tagged as "the boy with the hot-headed dad" is not going to do him any favors. And other kids have a way of getting wind of this type of conflict and the teasing, etc. is right behind.

Don't read this the wrong way. You have a legitimate complaint and should follow up on it. I'd just tread lightly so as to prevent your boy from getting hit with any blowback.

FromMyColdDeadHand
10-16-12, 12:55
"I...."

"Now Johnny," said the teacher, "what did I tell you about using 'I'?"


"Ok." Said Johnny. "We think you are a real bitch."

OR

Pull a 'Caeser'.


Julius Caesar: Triumphant general and political leader of Rome. Although he is highly competent and multi-talented, he is also condescending and arrogant. In his conversation, he frequently uses the third-person "Caesar" instead of the first-person "I" to refer to himself and also sometimes substitutes the kingly "we" for "I." He depicts himself as a man of unshakable resolve, but he proudly and recklessly ignores warnings about his safety. Rumors abound that he plans to be crowned king. Historically, evidence to support the view that Caesar sought elevation to a throne is inconclusive.

http://www.cummingsstudyguides.net/xJuliusCae.html

Denali
10-16-12, 12:55
I have seen several papers sent home now where he has points taken off for using "I" in his sentence exercises. Discussed the matter with the teacher, she said that she just doesn't want the kids to only focus on themselves. I said I understood that noble concept, but of course he has to use that term often in life.

She said she understood my concern and wouldn't forbid the use of I, just wanted to regulate it a bit. I said ok but have been watching, as you see this teacher uses what is known as the "constructivist" method of teaching, which I have learned is a progressive theory of learning.

Anyway, last night I check his homework folder and once again all I's, only two of them in a total of 5 sentences, have been marked as incorrect. The guilty sentence: "When I am bigger I can have a phone".

Sent an email to the teacher last night reminding her that this is not a Communist nation and that while my son is a member of society, he is not part of a collective. He is an individual who will use "I" often as an adult and should not be made guilty for doing so. She has remained silent so far, I am meeting with the principal today or tomorrow.

This is the last damn thing I need to be wasting time and energy on right now, but it has really started to piss me off. And I don't want tension with his teacher because I like to participate in class activities and don't want her to start resenting him. Parents beware, you could be next.

I just posted this exact link to another thread, how timely....
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/cultural_marxism.html

NWPilgrim
10-16-12, 13:06
Good luck with the principal.

I too tried to "fix" the teacher when my daughter was being harassed by a boy (pencil in the eye, tripping, pushing). You would think physical violence is non-controversial, that is should not be allowed and no argument. WRONG! The teacher claimed she was not authorized to discipline the boy. The principal "sincerely thanked" me for "sharing my concerns," but no action would be taken to protect my daughter (Johnny deserves an education, too). I warned her in a letter that I held her personally responsible for the safety of my daughter, and for the boy's eyes, throat, knees and testicles since I would instruct my daughter to defend herself aggressively. Boy was immediately transferred (but not otherwise disciplined or reformed).

Seeing the school system had no real concern for the EDUCATION and SAFETY of my daughter or the boy, only CYA, we pulled our kids out of public system and sent to private parochial schools. Light years better. Homeschool would have been great except my wife was not willing to do that. Private school is no guarantee but at least you can shop around and CHOOSE.

Sometimes you can find a principal who is willing to rein in a weird teacher, but not very often. Very, very hard to change or remove a public school teacher unless they rape or injure a student.

In the end, my daughter's education and safety were my top priority, not proving whether I am man enough to take on the school district over the years (and it would take years). I tried to work it out giving them the benefit of the doubt they were responsible educators. When I saw proof they did not care one whit I RAN AWAY :) and found a much better environment for my kids.

Safetyhit
10-16-12, 13:44
Well you won't believe it. The principal, a plump but seeming cordial woman in her mid fifties, quickly became irate. It got so bad that after she lunged at me I had to throw a jab to keep her at bay. Then she punched back and we got each other in a stalemate chokehold...


Ok, seriously it went very well. I did not go in there angry or vengeful in the least and we had a very productive discussion. She agreed that there was something amiss and made copies of the papers containing the dreaded "I" and said she would look into it and that both she and the teacher would get back to me.

She did maintain that the idea is to use word diversity, but agreed that it was going too far to take a grammatically correct sentence and deem it incorrect for such a trivial reason. We'll see what happens, I shall remain vigilant. :)

Sensei
10-16-12, 14:33
Ok, seriously it went very well. I did not go in there angry or vengeful in the least and we had a very productive discussion. She agreed that there was something amiss and made copies of the papers containing the dreaded "I" and said she would look into it and that both she and the teacher would get back to me.

She did maintain that the idea is to use word diversity, but agreed that it was going too far to take a grammatically correct sentence and deem it incorrect for such a trivial reason. We'll see what happens, I shall remain vigilant. :)

It sounds like you made some progress. Lane hopes that your son has no more problems. ;)

Pork Chop
10-16-12, 14:36
Stay after them, brother. When my son was in the 3rd grade (3 years ago) he was sent home & threatened with suspension for, get this shit, "imaginary violence" and violating the zero tolerance "imaginary play" policy. Know what he did? He & 2 other 8 year old boys were playing Star Wars & having an imaginary lightsaber battle..........no shit. :rolleyes:

Myself & another Father crawled up their ass & screamed from the inside out to get the point across that "imaginary play" was NOT something to be discouraged, let alone subject for suspension.

What the hell is happening to us? Don't play with imagination? Don't refer to yourself as "I"? Are you ****ing kidding me?

It's not like I live in some liberal bastion like Chicago or San Francisco either, I live in Nebraska for pete's sake. We're supposed to be insulated from stupid shit like this!

I feel your pain man, stay vigilant.

militarymoron
10-16-12, 14:58
man, even locutus used "I" when he said "I am Locutus - of Borg."

what if your son started using 'we' for everything with that teacher, like "miss, we need to go to the bathroom."?

stuff like this pisses me off - i know that i'm going to have a lot of 'discussions' with teachers in the future. my son is turning 5 in a couple of months...
oh wait. OUR son is turning five...

a0cake
10-16-12, 15:47
Are you sure that you're correctly understanding the issue? I don't presume to know what's going on, as you're there and I'm here, but I wonder if giving it this collectivist vs. individualist interpretation is missing the point.

Being able to effectively write about oneself without constantly using the word "I" is the mark of a good writer. Writing teachers commonly assign drills where students are supposed to write opinion-pieces while using the word "I" as little as possible. This isn't part of some collectivist plot; it's good language training and a vital part of becoming a good essayist. Is the teacher just trying to reinforce this skill in this particular part of the curriculum by marking any and all "I's?"

a0cake
10-16-12, 16:06
Are you sure that you're correctly understanding the issue? I don't presume to know what's going on, as you're there and I'm here, but I wonder if giving it this collectivist vs. individualist interpretation is missing the point.




For example, I'll rewrite my first paragraph:


Are you sure that you're correctly understanding the issue? It would be presumptuous and rude to assume otherwise given your direct involvement, but it seems as if giving this issue a collectivist vs. individualist interpretation may be missing the point.

3 "I's" in the first version and 0 "I's" in the second.

Any way you look at it, this second version is better, more professional, and more publishable writing.

Just something to think about.

Zhurdan
10-16-12, 16:18
Are you sure that you're correctly understanding the issue? I don't presume to know what's going on, as you're there and I'm here, but I wonder if giving it this collectivist vs. individualist interpretation is missing the point.

Being able to effectively write about oneself without constantly using the word "I" is the mark of a good writer. Writing teachers commonly assign drills where students are supposed to write opinion-pieces while using the word "I" as little as possible. This isn't part of some collectivist plot; it's good language training and a vital part of becoming a good essayist. Is the teacher just trying to reinforce this skill in this particular part of the curriculum by marking any and all "I's?"

In third grade? What you are saying is indeed true in regards to essay writing, but it's highly unlikely that this is being taught in third grade. Unless of course things have changed immensely since my nieces were in school.

Safetyhit
10-16-12, 16:20
This is apparently her philosophy a0cake, they have clarified it as such. But we are talking about 8 year olds here who now mostly interpret this as "I can't say I anymore". He understands the concept of word diversity to an extent, but him being concerned about using such a fundamental and relevant term at such a young age isn't right.

And it also isn't right that the very transitional third grade is being complicated by idealogy, as marking grammatically correct, commonplace sentences as incorrect is only going to confuse him needlessly.

Both I and apparently the principal need to establish exactly what the teacher's intent is and go from there. Bottom line is that such a small child should feel bad about writing "I" for any reason.

rojocorsa
10-16-12, 16:52
Are you sure that you're correctly understanding the issue? I don't presume to know what's going on, as you're there and I'm here, but I wonder if giving it this collectivist vs. individualist interpretation is missing the point.

Being able to effectively write about oneself without constantly using the word "I" is the mark of a good writer. Writing teachers commonly assign drills where students are supposed to write opinion-pieces while using the word "I" as little as possible. This isn't part of some collectivist plot; it's good language training and a vital part of becoming a good essayist. Is the teacher just trying to reinforce this skill in this particular part of the curriculum by marking any and all "I's?"



This is an extremely valid point, and is consistent with my own experience in grade school, which was relatively recent given my age. (20).

Kokopelli
10-16-12, 16:52
Well I'm somewhat shocked by all this.. Not surprised, but none the less shocked. I often read/hear internet posts, etc. regarding the corrupt teaching system and even the teachers we have in this country. Usually it's painted with a very broad brush. I know it's often true, as in this case, but I'm here to tell you that it's not that way everywhere. The crap your son has been subjected to wouldn't fly for a "New Jersey minute" in East Tennessee. My wife teaches high school and I work for the major land grant University in the state. We obviously have our problems, but not the crap you speak of.

We here are a-bit concerned as a state-wide conformist movement is pushing to standardize curriculum and dumb down the faculty to allow "fresh from college with a BS" teachers to replace discipline experienced faculty. Oddly enough the experienced faculty are local Tennesseans and the fresh replacements mostly hail from the other states; northern for the most part.

The most disturbing part of it is that the movement is supposedly "conservative, right-wing, republican" state officials.. Led by our governor. We may well find ourselves with a teaching system like the one you speak of.. Sort of turns things around don't it.. Ron

a0cake
10-16-12, 16:58
Well, bad writing habits form early and easily, but are difficult to overcome once they've been internalized.

I see no reason why the idea can't be introduced at a young age. You guys really should take a look at an average college freshman's writing. It looks like someone filled a salt shaker with "I's" and left the cap unscrewed for an unsuspecting victim. Most of them probably wish someone had taught them to more cogently express themselves without using "I."

Whether this important lesson was taught properly by the teacher is another story. If the child came home thinking "I'm not allowed to say I," then there was obviously a disconnect somewhere that needed to be addressed. The teacher probably should have done a better job explaining the "why" behind her reasoning to the students.

But SOME of the ultra-reactionary and spurious babble in this thread about politics, liberals, Marxism, etc., is batshit crazy. Why are some of you guys so prone to hysteria?

Zhurdan
10-16-12, 17:08
Absolutely a0Cake. Just because the lesson is beneficial doesn't mean that it will be conveyed in a positive manner.

Safetyhit
10-16-12, 17:15
If the child came home thinking "I'm not allowed to say I," then there was obviously a disconnect somewhere that needed to be addressed. The teacher probably should have done a better job explaining the "why" behind her reasoning to the students.


This is a great overall assessment of what I now think may be happening, but I'm still not sure. This because even if it is the case, why take issue with only one of five sentences using an "I"? In other words, how far do we take this at their age? And to what end?

a0cake
10-16-12, 17:19
This is a great overall assessment of what I now think may be happening, but I'm still not sure. This because even if it is the case, why take issue with only one of five sentences using an "I"? In other words, how far do we take this at their age? And to what end?

Yeah, I'm not too sure. Either way, it's good that you took up the issue when you saw a problem. Even if it turns out to be something other than what you thought, at least you took an interest in your child's schoolwork. Some parents just DGAF.

Moose-Knuckle
10-16-12, 17:38
man, even locutus used "I" when he said "I am Locutus - of Borg."

what if your son started using 'we' for everything with that teacher, like "miss, we need to go to the bathroom."?

stuff like this pisses me off - i know that i'm going to have a lot of 'discussions' with teachers in the future. my son is turning 5 in a couple of months...
oh wait. OUR son is turning five...

Hah, this is the image that popped into my noggin when I read the OP.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb248/lolanagisa/borg.jpg

RancidSumo
10-16-12, 18:37
Are you sure that you're correctly understanding the issue? I don't presume to know what's going on, as you're there and I'm here, but I wonder if giving it this collectivist vs. individualist interpretation is missing the point.

Being able to effectively write about oneself without constantly using the word "I" is the mark of a good writer. Writing teachers commonly assign drills where students are supposed to write opinion-pieces while using the word "I" as little as possible. This isn't part of some collectivist plot; it's good language training and a vital part of becoming a good essayist. Is the teacher just trying to reinforce this skill in this particular part of the curriculum by marking any and all "I's?"

This was my first thought as well but then I saw "third grade" in the title. Often it isn't acceptable to use "I" in an essay or something of that nature (or at least use it sparingly) but I don't remember the focus of third grade English classes being "learn to write professionally."

Additionally I'd like to point out really quick that I just had a professor tell me (well the class, not me specifically) to use "I" more often in business letters/reports. That wasn't something I had expected to hear.

(-5 points for me)

Edit: Oops, I should have kept reading beyond the quoted post.

Alpha Sierra
10-16-12, 19:24
That shit is why I deprive myself of things that I could have so that I can pay for private schooling for my girl.

Honu
10-16-12, 19:41
Homeschool :)

a0cake
10-16-12, 19:43
Homeschool :)

is that were you learnt you're inglish !!!!?




:D !!!!

chadbag
10-16-12, 23:10
In 3rd grade they are still learning to write good, complete sentences. While they right simple paragraphs and reports, they also drill simple sentence structure, are still doing subject/predicate identification, etc. My son just started 4th grade and the first thing they did was review declarative vs interrogative, subject/predicate, etc.

They are not worried about imbuing them with the ability to write professional papers. They are working to get them to be able to write at all. (Something with which I am struggling with my son.)

This teacher is out of line. She either has some sort of communal cultural thing she is trying to brainwash, or she is professionally negligent in focusing on "I" as being used too much at the 3rd grade level of writing.


--

Honu
10-17-12, 03:34
is that were you learnt you're inglish !!!!?

:D !!!!

nope :) and I can spell fine I have a grammar issue :)

everyone has something they dont do well ! at least I know mine is grammar ! whats yours ?


I would never trade being able to write well for the knowledge and things I have done :)

VLODPG
10-17-12, 04:55
I have seen several papers sent home now where he has points taken off for using "I" in his sentence exercises. Discussed the matter with the teacher, she said that she just doesn't want the kids to only focus on themselves. I said I understood that noble concept, but of course he has to use that term often in life.

She said she understood my concern and wouldn't forbid the use of I, just wanted to regulate it a bit. I said ok but have been watching, as you see this teacher uses what is known as the "constructivist" method of teaching, which I have learned is a progressive theory of learning.

Anyway, last night I check his homework folder and once again all I's, only two of them in a total of 5 sentences, have been marked as incorrect. The guilty sentence: "When I am bigger I can have a phone".

Sent an email to the teacher last night reminding her that this is not a Communist nation and that while my son is a member of society, he is not part of a collective. He is an individual who will use "I" often as an adult and should not be made guilty for doing so. She has remained silent so far, I am meeting with the principal today or tomorrow.

This is the last damn thing I need to be wasting time and energy on right now, but it has really started to piss me off. And I don't want tension with his teacher because I like to participate in class activities and don't want her to start resenting him. Parents beware, you could be next.

-14 for you :nono: :jester:

Caeser25
10-17-12, 06:16
Yes and no. There are times when you can't fix stupid!! When they come about you have to do what is best for your kids.

My kids have been in the same Christian school since they were 4yrs old. The education is outstanding and they are encouraged to critically think about what they are being taught. Both at home and at school. We are heavily involved in their school lives and speak with their teachers regularly. Thankfully we have not had any issues so far such as the OP's

Private is definitely much better. They teach you how to think, not what to think. I went to one from k-8.

Hogsgunwild
10-17-12, 06:37
This teacher would have been ok to show the kids that there are ways to limit the use of the letter "I". That is a good grammatical practice. Kids that age might have been able to have some fun seeing who could eliminate the most "I"s while rewriting a paragraph or letter that had too many "I"s in it.

She went way overboard on her little tangent by saying that they will be punished for using any "I"s, as, she is now penalizing them for using proper English. That is asinine and just plain wrong of her. That principal needs to instill some common sense in that teacher. If that doesn't happen, it might be worth calling the school board.

Good luck with it. I know it would piss me off if some government worker was instilling phobic, improper, silly shit in my son's head just because they could.

Mjolnir
10-17-12, 08:24
It's called writing in Third Person.

Belmont31R
10-17-12, 09:26
Writing an essay you don't want to use 'I' but doesn't sound like this way the case.


Kids don't really learn essay writing until middle and high school.


Sound's like an out of control teacher who's going off on her own little opinion about using 'I' when the kids are talking about themselves.



I got into it with the teacher and principal last year over them requiring I go through a background check to tag along on a zoo field trip. Turns out the principal was just making her own rules up, and abusing the districts "volunteer program" and the teacher was just brainlessly passing this along to the parents as a requirement to tag along. In the prior year I'd gone to several field trips and never was 'required' to take a background check.

The day of the zoo trip the vice principal shadowed our class and kept eyeballing me like I was going to snatch up a kid and molest them or something. He finally found another group a couple hours later.

You really have to keep an eye out these days for teachers or admin that make up their own shit or turn their classroom into a forum for them to teach their personal political ideology. We've even taken to using paint pens and writing our kids names on every single item they get sent to school with. We spend a good bit of money on school supplies, and I don't buy the stuff so the cheapskate parents can outfit their kids with supplies on my dime. That whole put everything in a pile and equally distribute stuff out doesn't fly with me. It's like a micro version of communist "redistribute the wealth" crap. I don't want my kids growing up thinking putting everything in a pile and giving everyone an equal share is how things are supposed to work so they end up with less.

Safetyhit
10-17-12, 15:13
It's called writing in Third Person.

Seems you are again missing the obvious, buy certainly we appreciate your one dimensional comment.

Safetyhit
10-17-12, 15:14
This teacher would have been ok to show the kids that there are ways to limit the use of the letter "I". That is a good grammatical practice. Kids that age might have been able to have some fun seeing who could eliminate the most "I"s while rewriting a paragraph or letter that had too many "I"s in it.

She went way overboard on her little tangent by saying that they will be punished for using any "I"s, as, she is now penalizing them for using proper English. That is asinine and just plain wrong of her. That principal needs to instill some common sense in that teacher. If that doesn't happen, it might be worth calling the school board.

Good luck with it. I know it would piss me off if some government worker was instilling phobic, improper, silly shit in my son's head just because they could.


Well said my friend.

Safetyhit
10-17-12, 15:23
You really have to keep an eye out these days for teachers or admin that make up their own shit or turn their classroom into a forum for them to teach their personal political ideology. We've even taken to using paint pens and writing our kids names on every single item they get sent to school with. We spend a good bit of money on school supplies, and I don't buy the stuff so the cheapskate parents can outfit their kids with supplies on my dime. That whole put everything in a pile and equally distribute stuff out doesn't fly with me. It's like a micro version of communist "redistribute the wealth" crap. I don't want my kids growing up thinking putting everything in a pile and giving everyone an equal share is how things are supposed to work so they end up with less.


I agree overall, especially with the first sentence. But I think it would be wise to also remember that especially today there are many parents who struggle to buy school supplies in bulk at the beginning of the year as is often required. And even if that is not the case, I wouldn't want any child to go without their school basics, this because there is a practical need for the items and surely it will be embarrassing to the child.

SteyrAUG
10-21-12, 22:57
Sent an email to the teacher last night reminding her that this is not a Communist nation and that while my son is a member of society, he is not part of a collective. He is an individual who will use "I" often as an adult and should not be made guilty for doing so. She has remained silent so far, I am meeting with the principal today or tomorrow.

This is the last damn thing I need to be wasting time and energy on right now, but it has really started to piss me off. And I don't want tension with his teacher because I like to participate in class activities and don't want her to start resenting him. Parents beware, you could be next.

Good for you.

School is for education, not indoctrination.

There is nothing grammatically incorrect with his use of "I."