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Well, it looks like another of America's institutions is airing its dirty laundry: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20121019-release-of-boy-scouts-confidential-perversion-files-met-with-overwhelming-public-interest.ece
Now, I'm not so naive to think that pedophilia is a new problem in America. However, I'm speaking to the institutionalization of child rape in our bedrock organizations. Historically, it is bad for countries when pedophilia starts to become mainstream.
Moose-Knuckle
10-20-12, 00:59
Well, it looks like another of America's institutions is airing its dirty laundry: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20121019-release-of-boy-scouts-confidential-perversion-files-met-with-overwhelming-public-interest.ece
Now, I'm not so naive to think that pedophilia is a new problem in America. However, I'm speaking to the institutionalization of child rape in our bedrock organizations. Historically, it is bad for countries when pedophilia starts to become mainstream.
I tend to agree.
The Catholic Church, the BSA, countless schools and universities (Penn State), prominent ministers of various "mega churches" , Hollywood, the Franklin cover up, NAMBLA, et al.
Now, I'm not so naive to think that pedophilia is a new problem in America. However, I'm speaking to the institutionalization of child rape in our bedrock organizations. Historically, it is bad for countries when pedophilia starts to become mainstream.
I am wondering why you think it is becoming institutionalized (more so than say 100 years ago) and that it is becoming mainstream.
I think the disgust and outrage amongst the public today is as great as it ever would have been (in the past, these things did not become public). And don't kid yourself that this sort of abuse is a new phenomenon amongst so-called "public" organizations, whether "scouts", churches, orphanages, etc. We just are more able to publicize and communicate about it. In the past, the local community took care of the offenders, if found out, and swept it under the rug. Today we have the internet which makes every little event anywhere news around the world.
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It is not just more awareness due to media that I notice. The sexualization of America's youth has become pervasive. Look at how kids dress, the commercials, etc. We now have organizations such as NAMBLA that operate in the open with impunity. We also have judges handing down soft sentences for child rape, and politicians who oppose measures such as Jessica's Law to punish pedophiles.
Katy Couric show either yesterday or day before.
she had this lady author on. She wrote a book about "swinging" ... well by the time the story was told she was seduced by a married lady at a party..... oh, yeah.. while "researching" her book... she was amazed at how many people online wanted to talk about sex...:rolleyes:
anyway... the husband/wife team that had sex with her at the party were there "in disguise"... because "no one knows" ... and certainly they won't be recognized on national TV.
So anyway the guy says... oh yeah we just don't want our church members, friends, scouts, etc.. to know.... When he said "Scouts" I just thought ...man,,, there's an accident waiting to happen and he's advertising it!
It's pretty easy to see why Katie C. career has steadily gone down the tubes. I think she was truly interested in and believed the BS they were feeding her.
Katy Couric show either yesterday or day before.
she had this lady author on. She wrote a book about "swinging" ... well by the time the story was told she was seduced by a married lady at a party..... oh, yeah.. while "researching" her book... she was amazed at how many people online wanted to talk about sex...:rolleyes:
anyway... the husband/wife team that had sex with her at the party were there "in disguise"... because "no one knows" ... and certainly they won't be recognized on national TV.
So anyway the guy says... oh yeah we just don't want our church members, friends, scouts, etc.. to know.... When he said "Scouts" I just thought ...man,,, there's an accident waiting to happen and he's advertising it!
It's pretty easy to see why Katie C. career has steadily gone down the tubes. I think she was truly interested in and believed the BS they were feeding her.
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WTF does swinging have to do with pedophilia?
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WTF does swinging have to do with pedophilia?
He did mention "scouts" so there is a sort-of tie-in.
I would say the general sexual permissiveness as normal, accepted behavior plays to the same roots as the things Sensei mentioned.
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WTF does swinging have to do with pedophilia?
Well, I probably did not make the point well.
The gist of the whole thing was this straight laced lady finds herself in the "Swinging sex scene" "quite by accident" -- which I don't believe for an instant.
So suddenly she's in NY having sex with a couple just because the woman told her she was beautiful. Again, I think that is BS. You just don;t find yourself having sex in front a group of onlookers with people you don't know just because someone told you you were pretty.
Then you switch to the goofy ass wig and beard "disguise" the guy was wearing on national TV. He didn't have to mention the Scouts and it has nothing to do with their whole adult sexual choices. But he chose to do so.
I believe he and his wife were simply advertising while simply pretending to be protecting and loving of those around them. I could care less what they do as adults, but I damn sure wouldn't let my kids near them ( if I had kids ) where they were the authority figures.
IOW... the whole segment just seemed like a giant farce to me and yes, I believe that with him needing a disguise, open to sexual experimentation with multiple mixed partners, etc, could very well carry over into his Scout activities. The whole fact that they need to hide what they are doing.
So the two don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. You are correct about that but the way they all presented themselves on the show made me suspicious of their other motives.
Moose-Knuckle
10-20-12, 16:57
I would say the general sexual permissiveness as normal, accepted behavior plays to the same roots as the things Sensei mentioned.
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Bingo! ;)
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An Undocumented Worker
10-20-12, 17:18
I'm not one to wear the tinfoil hat, but I sometimes wonder about the proliferation of pedophilia in the news.
I don't doubt the veracity of the news reports though I do wonder if they are sensationalized in a manner to discourage people from volunteering to help youth in their community. The fewer positive personal roll models a child has growing up, the more likely they are to depend on an alternative authority figure in a time of need, such as government.
So I guess I am saying that the leftists could be using these incidents as a tool to break down bonds that hold communities together and get them to rely on government instead of each other.
I made it to Eagle in scouts and would like to help out a local troop, however such reports make me leary of even getting involved because it is so easy to cry wolf when there is none. If I did get involved with today's society I feel like I would have undertake inordinate measures to CYA.
None of this is said to discount how despicable and deplorable such acts are. However it wouldn't surprise me if innocent people got smeared in a witch hunt.
I'm not one to wear the tinfoil hat, but I sometimes wonder about the proliferation of pedophilia in the news.
I don't doubt the veracity of the news reports though I do wonder if they are sensationalized in a manner to discourage people from volunteering to help youth in their community. The fewer positive personal roll models a child has growing up, the more likely they are to depend on an alternative authority figure in a time of need, such as government.
So I guess I am saying that the leftists could be using these incidents as a tool to break down bonds that hold communities together and get them to rely on government instead of each other.
I made it to Eagle in scouts and would like to help out a local troop, however such reports make me leary of even getting involved because it is so easy to cry wolf when there is none. If I did get involved with today's society I feel like I would have undertake inordinate measures to CYA.
None of this is said to discount how despicable and deplorable such acts are. However it wouldn't surprise me if innocent people got smeared in a witch hunt.
I've become very sensitive to this issue since the birth of my son 9 months ago. I've completely rearranged my work schedule (and career) so that I can be home with him 3 weekdays. I plan to saturate his early life with my presence and values. I've also committed to installing a warrior skill set and attitude at an early ago. So, he is already my training buddy and accompanies me to the gym for BJJ / Muay Thai classes. He will start his firearms training as soon as he is physically and emotionally mature enough to handle weapons. Basically, I want him to be a far more dangerous adversary than any child predator.
I made it to Eagle in scouts and would like to help out a local troop, however such reports make me leary of even getting involved because it is so easy to cry wolf when there is none. If I did get involved with today's society I feel like I would have undertake inordinate measures to CYA.
If you attend a church, and that church or congregation/temple/mosque/whatever sponsors a troop, volunteer there. And then make sure they do everything in team style. All leaders work in teams so that no leader is alone with a boy. It is as much for your protection as for the protection of the boys.
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nineteenkilo
10-20-12, 19:16
If you attend a church, and that church or congregation/temple/mosque/whatever sponsors a troop, volunteer there. And then make sure they do everything in team style. All leaders work in teams so that no leader is alone with a boy. It is as much for your protection as for the protection of the boys.
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There is a two-man rule in place in Scouting. Period. It is not open for debate. There are a strict set of guidelines and some required training to be considered a scout volunteer. There is a WHOLE lot more involved to be any kind of leader. If you ever encounter a troop that does not abide by the rules - please contact the local council and inform them.
I love scouting and I am passionate about the safety of my kids. Not to say that I don't let them be kids, but there is a line.
theblackknight
10-20-12, 20:00
Being a pedophile is illegal.
Being a swinger is not.
Jumping to conclusions is the only way to connect the 2.
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This is not a pedophile nation and no offense to the op but this thread is just about the last title we need being displayed in the new post section repeatedly. Yes, I know I am bumping it...
There is nothing worse than being publicly labeled as a child molester in this country, so implying that a degree of social acceptance is taking place is simply false.
This is not a pedophile nation and no offense to the op but this thread is just about the last title we need being displayed in the new post section repeatedly. Yes, I know I am bumping it...
There is nothing worse than being publicly labeled as a child molester in this country, so implying that a degree of social acceptance is taking place is simply false.
and you have proof it is not ?
while its not a HUGE % its still way bigger it seems than just a few folks doing this ! and many are OK with it or so it seems
considering I dont think having my 14 year old boy doing things with his 30 year old teacher lucky !! swap the roles most would not think that !
maybe its boys who have a fantasy and no children think its OK that happens to a 14 year old boy ? kinda proof that it is OK or acceptable to be a pedophile under certain circumstances !
look at recent court cases proof enough its becoming less than taboo
sadly talking to someone who is a state prosecutor makes me realize just how many sickos their are around ! and as he said its sadly most never get caught ! when they do you realize how many work together to do what they do !
I still say these judges that let these people go so easy are molesters themselves !!!
even some liberal folks I know would not think its OK to let these kinda stuff happen in society !!!
and you have proof it is not ?
while its not a HUGE % its still way bigger it seems than just a few folks doing this ! and many are OK with it or so it seems
considering I dont think having my 14 year old boy doing things with his 30 year old teacher lucky !! swap the roles most would not think that !
maybe its boys who have a fantasy and no children think its OK that happens to a 14 year old boy ? kinda proof that it is OK or acceptable to be a pedophile under certain circumstances !
look at recent court cases proof enough its becoming less than taboo
sadly talking to someone who is a state prosecutor makes me realize just how many sickos their are around ! and as he said its sadly most never get caught ! when they do you realize how many work together to do what they do !
I still say these judges that let these people go so easy are molesters themselves !!!
even some liberal folks I know would not think its OK to let these kinda stuff happen in society !!!
I've never seen so many exclamation points in one post in my life.
even some liberal folks I know would not think its OK to let these kinda stuff happen in society !!!
Are you actually implying that I am indirectly supporting such things? My mother is socially brain damaged due to sexual abuse by her father and when it was discosed decades later he died a hated man. He was a vet with the 6th marines and invaded Okinawa and Iwo, yet I never let him cross my mind.
And for Christ's sake deal with your grammar issue. Small children do better every day in school, so can you.
Edit: When posting from a phone watch out that you don't accidentally post a face icon if your finger wanders off the screen a bit. Got me a few times now.
There is a two-man rule in place in Scouting. Period. It is not open for debate. There are a strict set of guidelines and some required training to be considered a scout volunteer. There is a WHOLE lot more involved to be any kind of leader. If you ever encounter a troop that does not abide by the rules - please contact the local council and inform them.
I love scouting and I am passionate about the safety of my kids. Not to say that I don't let them be kids, but there is a line.
Good to know. I am not involved in scouting at the moment and I knew our local units practiced the two-man rule, but I did not know it was BSA wide.
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This is not a pedophile nation and no offense to the op but this thread is just about the last title we need being displayed in the new post section repeatedly. Yes, I know I am bumping it...
There is nothing worse than being publicly labeled as a child molester in this country, so implying that a degree of social acceptance is taking place is simply false.
I would say that we are becoming a pedophile nation. It's happening in stages with one big step being the sexual revolution of the late 60's. Another big step has been the Internet and social networking with web-based child porn becoming endemic.
As for the discussion being too taboo, I disagree. The fact that you continue to post in the thread makes me question you commitment to this notion.
I just bolded what you said ?
so implying that a degree of social acceptance is taking place is simply false.
IMHO you are wrong I think it is happening and I gave my example about school teachers molesting children and for some sick reason some think if it happens to a young boy from a hot looking lady the kid is lucky !
that is pretty solid proof some form of acceptance is happening !
maybe its like doing things that are illegal some try justify it
simple as that !
Are you actually implying that I am indirectly supporting such things? My mother is socially brain damaged due to sexual abuse by her father and when it was discosed decades later he died a hated man. He was a vet with the 6th marines and invaded Okinawa and Iwo, yet I never let him cross my mind.
And for Christ's sake deal with your grammar issue. Small children do better every day in school, so can you.
Edit: When posting from a phone watch out that you don't accidentally post a face icon if your finger wanders off the screen a bit. Got me a few times now.
and you have proof it is not ?
while its not a HUGE % its still way bigger it seems than just a few folks doing this ! and many are OK with it or so it seems
considering I dont think having my 14 year old boy doing things with his 30 year old teacher lucky !! swap the roles most would not think that !
maybe its boys who have a fantasy and no children think its OK that happens to a 14 year old boy ? kinda proof that it is OK or acceptable to be a pedophile under certain circumstances !
look at recent court cases proof enough its becoming less than taboo
sadly talking to someone who is a state prosecutor makes me realize just how many sickos their are around ! and as he said its sadly most never get caught ! when they do you realize how many work together to do what they do !
I still say these judges that let these people go so easy are molesters themselves !!!
even some liberal folks I know would not think its OK to let these kinda stuff happen in society !!!
I think it's no more prevalent than it was 50, 100 or 150 years ago. I think the internet, digitized media and investigative tools have been a boon in catching and revealing these types of people. I think the internet has also allowed these people to form networks for pedophilia more easily.
Whether a society accepts predatory behavior or not has no bearing on the percentage of a population willing to commit predatory acts. It may embolden those predisposed to it, but we are in no way a "Pedophile Nation". :(
I think it's no more prevalent than it was 50, 100 or 150 years ago. I think the internet, digitized media and investigative tools have been a boon in catching and revealing these types of people. I think the internet has also allowed these people to form networks for pedophilia more easily.
Whether a society accepts predatory behavior or not has no bearing on the percentage of a population willing to commit predatory acts. It may embolden those predisposed to it, but we are in no way a "Pedophile Nation". :(
I dont think we are a pedophile nation ? never said we were ?
I do think though there is a growing acceptance and it is more prevelant which is what I was responding to ?
read about Europe's growing problem with it !
not sure I agree about the no bearing on the percentage ?
some that might not have done it will feel safer doing so ! this is a very proven thing in any thing really if others are doing it some will decide to join in since it might feel safer knowing others are and with support and is a start down the rabbit hole in a way !
where they realize WOW I am not the only one ! and OH always wondered how you find this or that etc..
ironic as last night was chatting with my bud who is a psychotherapist about things like this and social acceptable as he deals with mostly online porn issues
most would not have gone into a store to buy a mag or video cause of the humility but are fine online with it since its in the privacy of their home now its more OK
for many it has lead to not being able to have sex even with their wife and deciding to cheat on them etc..
strange for sure its not the same world we lived in
same thing with many of the sex slave trades and children that are around now that were not around before so again not sure I agree it has always been around in the same % or numbers according to some solid sources I have its growing ? and even online sources agree
and not tying porn to pedophiles ! but it does have a connection
CarlosDJackal
10-21-12, 10:29
Food for thought: If our society think that it is okay for someone do decide whether an unborn child shold live or die, how far behind can the molestation and objectification of minors be?
This even applies to children that survived an abortion - yes, this happens quite often and is actually supported by so-called feminists and was even protected by our current POTUS when he was still a State Senator (look up either the transcript or the recording of the Illinois State Legislation discussion about the BAIPA).
Can we really expect a society that holds the life of a child, any child as a "choice" or an inconvenience to really be shocked when they look upon them as sexual objects?
TacMedic556
10-21-12, 10:44
America needs to enact a ZERO TOLERANCE ZERO FORGIVENESS LAW for child predators.
It has been proven that pedophiles are uncurable and WILL repeat offend. Many have committed multiple crimes before being caught and after release, go on to commit more.
Under the ZERO TOLERANCE, first time offenders of a child sex crime would be executed no later than 6 weeks after conviction....PERIOD. This way they do not cost the taxpayers money and are just erradicated like the vermin they are.
Any individual who preys upon or harms children, has given up any and all "rights" as far as I am concerned.
America needs to enact a ZERO TOLERANCE ZERO FORGIVENESS LAW for child predators.
It has been proven that pedophiles are uncurable and WILL repeat offend. Many have committed multiple crimes before being caught and after release, go on to commit more.
Under the ZERO TOLERANCE, first time offenders of a child sex crime would be executed no later than 6 weeks after conviction....PERIOD. This way they do not cost the taxpayers money and are just erradicated like the vermin they are.
Any individual who preys upon or harms children, has given up any and all "rights" as far as I am concerned.
6 Weeks? Because no one innocent is ever convicted of a crime right?
TacMedic556
10-21-12, 11:05
6 Weeks? Because no one innocent is ever convicted of a crime right?
Of course there would have to be an appropriate judicial process. Of course there would have to be evidence, etc. Of course the law could be written to include particulars as far as evidence, type of crime, etc. My point was, enough of this give the piece of $#!t a chance, rehab them, let them back into society and forgive them. No, sorry. Yeah innocent people get convicted. I would love to change that statistic and ensure no innocent person is ever convicted again.
The fact is, kids are precious, I have kids, if anyone ever hurt my kids, I would disembowel them and strangle them with their own intestinal tract. Done.
Food for thought: If our society think that it is okay for someone do decide whether an unborn child shold live or die, how far behind can the molestation and objectification of minors be?
This even applies to children that survived an abortion - yes, this happens quite often and is actually supported by so-called feminists and was even protected by our current POTUS when he was still a State Senator (look up either the transcript or the recording of the Illinois State Legislation discussion about the BAIPA).
Can we really expect a society that holds the life of a child, any child as a "choice" or an inconvenience to really be shocked when they look upon them as sexual objects?
I've drawn that connection before in my head and I agree with the premise. However, I did not mention it in this thread since abortion discussions lead to a derail.
America needs to enact a ZERO TOLERANCE ZERO FORGIVENESS LAW for child predators.
It has been proven that pedophiles are uncurable and WILL repeat offend. Many have committed multiple crimes before being caught and after release, go on to commit more.
Under the ZERO TOLERANCE, first time offenders of a child sex crime would be executed no later than 6 weeks after conviction....PERIOD. This way they do not cost the taxpayers money and are just erradicated like the vermin they are.
Any individual who preys upon or harms children, has given up any and all "rights" as far as I am concerned.
While I completely empathize with this viewpoint, sympathize even, I will caution you, America is definitely moving in the direction of the OP's premise. One need look no further then Mr Obamas "ahh" safe school czar, and the new paradigm in sex education.
This is why my kids never went to public schools...
It has been proven that pedophiles are uncurable and WILL repeat offend. Many have committed multiple crimes before being caught and after release, go on to commit more.
If this has been "proven", what then is a pedophile? (as related to this being proven)
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If this has been "proven", what then is a pedophile? (as related to this being proven)
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I don't understand the direction of your question, however taken literally,
pedophilia= sexual interest/exploitation in/of children 12-years and younger
pederasty= sexual interest/exploitation in/of adolescent males 12-17 years of age!
The post you've responded to is paraphrasing the popular, and professional belief in sexual identity imprinting. Think of it this way, are you heterosexual? Could you be cured of heterosexuality?
Sexual imprinting is a powerful, very likely unalterable condition....
I don't understand the direction of your question, however taken literally,
pedophilia= sexual interest/exploitation in/of children 12-years and younger
pederasty= sexual interest/exploitation in/of adolescent males 12-17 years of age!
The post you've responded to is paraphrasing the popular, and professional belief in sexual identity imprinting. Think of it this way, are you heterosexual? Could you be cured of heterosexuality?
Sexual imprinting is a powerful, very likely unalterable condition....
So how do you determine what someone's "Sexual imprinting" is?
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So how do you determine what someone's "Sexual imprinting" is?
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If they molest or sexually assault prepubescent children, they are irredeemable as a member of this society. I wholeheartedly recommend self-termination for anyone who's so ****ed up, they can't keep their hands off little children. Otherwise, they need to be locked up until they expire.
Even a minute chance of ever letting them near a child again is too much. :(
If they molest or sexually assault prepubescent children, they are irredeemable as a member of this society. I wholeheartedly recommend self-termination for anyone who's so ****ed up, they can't keep their hands off little children. Otherwise, they need to be locked up until they expire.
Even a minute chance of ever letting them near a child again is too much. :(
So, a couple hypotheticals here:
young man, 14-15, full of hormones, not sexually experienced/active, sexually molests a young child. Is he a pedophile? Irredeemable?
young man, 18, full of hormones, and not sexually experienced, sexually molests a young child. Is he a pedophile? Irredeemable?
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However, I'm speaking to the institutionalization of child rape in our bedrock organizations. Historically, it is bad for countries when pedophilia starts to become mainstream.
When it comes to the BSA I have to disagree and say that if there were an institulization every effort is being made to dismantle that. Those files also show how there were those in the BSA, even back then, who would not put up with it. Also there was correspondence debating what to do in the absence of any evidence other than an allegation. Still their policies should have been merciless in those cases where there was proof. Sadly the Catholic church hasn't caught on to that which is one of the reasons I haven't been to mass in a long time and now why distrust organized religion.
IOW... the whole segment just seemed like a giant farce to me and yes, I believe that with him needing a disguise, open to sexual experimentation with multiple mixed partners, etc, could very well carry over into his Scout activities. The whole fact that they need to hide what they are doing.
So the two don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. You are correct about that but the way they all presented themselves on the show made me suspicious of their other motives.
I'm still not tracking. Are you saying that because they are swingers they have a higher probability of being pedophiles?
I made it to Eagle in scouts and would like to help out a local troop, however such reports make me leary of even getting involved because it is so easy to cry wolf when there is none. If I did get involved with today's society I feel like I would have undertake inordinate measures to CYA.
Don't be afraid. Your risk of facing accusations are no greater than in any other field that works with kids. On top of that the BSA policies in place today almost guarantee that you won't face them by virtue of the fact that you cannot ever be alone with a child and if you are then your ass is grass. So following the two deep leadership model is good insurance. On top of that, the other parents are hypersensitive to this, and rightly so IMO, so if they will bust their butts to make sure you are never in that position and that there are always two adults or scouts present.
First, I believe that people with "other than natural" sexual responses have some sort of brain chemistry that makes them that way. Homosexual men lack the hormones/chemicals that make Elisha Cuthbert look ultra hot to normal men. It's physiology.
So, I also believe there is some nervous/endocrine system cause for pedophilia. I don't think it's a choice. I think it's how that person is wired. Could any of us stop enjoying the sight of the following, even if it was completely wrong and illegal?
http://www.enthuzed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/sexy-yoga-pants-2.jpeg
I can't shut that off. Me want. Tell me to stop, it won't happen.
Now having said that, pedophiles have no place amongst society, disease or no disease. So either they're incarcerated in a prison, or a mental ward. It matters not. As others have said, and I agree with, they cannot change. It's wired in. They will always lust after little children.
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First, I believe that people with "other than natural" sexual responses have some sort of brain chemistry that makes them that way. Homosexual men lack the hormones/chemicals that make Elisha Cuthbert look ultra hot to normal men. It's physiology.
So, I also believe there is some nervous/endocrine system cause for pedophilia. I don't think it's a choice. I think it's how that person is wired. Could any of us stop enjoying the sight of the following, even if it was completely wrong and illegal?
http://www.enthuzed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/sexy-yoga-pants-2.jpeg
I can't shut that off. Me want. Tell me to stop, it won't happen.
Now having said that, pedophiles have no place amongst society, disease or no disease. So either they're incarcerated in a prison, or a mental ward. It matters not. As others have said, and I agree with, they cannot change. It's wired in. They will always lust after little children.
iPhone/Tapatalk
Yeah, pretty much.
Best case scenario is they can attempt some kind of "vow of chastity" but historically that isn't exactly a success story.
If you can look at a prepubescent child and become sexually aroused I'd definitely call that abnormal. Hell even child beauty pageants creep me the **** out.
Moose-Knuckle
10-22-12, 03:16
So either they're incarcerated in a prison, or a mental ward. It matters not.
I for one take issue with my tax dollars feeding, clothing, housing, and providing state of the art medical care to these oxygen thieves.
Well that's something up for discussion.
Are pedophiles evil twisted bastards?
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Are pedophiles mentally ill?
Our culture, by and large, doesn't have an issue with zapping twisted bastards. But zap a retard or two and people tend to complain
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So, a couple hypotheticals here:
young man, 14-15, full of hormones, not sexually experienced/active, sexually molests a young child. Is he a pedophile? Irredeemable?
young man, 18, full of hormones, and not sexually experienced, sexually molests a young child. Is he a pedophile? Irredeemable?
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The 14 y.o. will most likely not be adjudicated as an adult, but the odds are very high that he will forever carry that predilection. There's a slight chance at that age, with the right intervention, he might be salvageable. However, he should never be left alone with another child until this can be confirmed.
The 18 y.o. is an out and out pedophile, always will be and should be locked up forever.
First, I believe that people with "other than natural" sexual responses have some sort of brain chemistry that makes them that way. Homosexual men lack the hormones/chemicals that make Elisha Cuthbert look ultra hot to normal men. It's physiology.
So, I also believe there is some nervous/endocrine system cause for pedophilia. I don't think it's a choice. I think it's how that person is wired. Could any of us stop enjoying the sight of the following, even if it was completely wrong and illegal?
http://www.enthuzed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/sexy-yoga-pants-2.jpeg
I can't shut that off. Me want. Tell me to stop, it won't happen.
Now having said that, pedophiles have no place amongst society, disease or no disease. So either they're incarcerated in a prison, or a mental ward. It matters not. As others have said, and I agree with, they cannot change. It's wired in. They will always lust after little children.
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Agreed. However, who's to say there aren't plenty of people wired to become aroused by children that never touch one in a sexual way their entire life? They recognize that their responses are taboo and cause them considerable guilt. In that case, guilt is a positive reinforcement to not touch a child. People have some really twisted desires. So long as they indulge them in the privacy of their own homes with consenting adults, to each their own.
We don't have the thought police and thought crimes, yet. The bright line is when you act on those desires and molest/assault a child. At that point, you've proven that you cannot control your own behavior. If you cannot control your behavior, society should. Right now we do a shitty job of it though. :(
TacMedic556
10-22-12, 10:26
So, a couple hypotheticals here:
young man, 14-15, full of hormones, not sexually experienced/active, sexually molests a young child. Is he a pedophile? Irredeemable?
young man, 18, full of hormones, and not sexually experienced, sexually molests a young child. Is he a pedophile? Irredeemable?
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yup. Happened in my neighborhood last year. 16 year old male forced a 5 year old girl......his little sisters friend..........enough said. If she were my kid, that guy would be missing forever.
TacMedic556
10-22-12, 10:30
If this has been "proven", what then is a pedophile? (as related to this being proven)
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spelling correction: "pedaphile". Read the studies. Studies have proved that many of these child predators have committed acts before, and will continue prey upon the innocent. It happens in my region all the time! They always have a long record, are caught in a van outside a school looking at kiddie porn, molested a few kids before, assaulted a kid and got away once or twice, etc. I say burn them.
theblackknight
10-22-12, 10:34
This nation dose NOT need anymore zero tolerance bullshit. Look at what it has done to the school system. Its has taken any reasonable judgement and temper of maturity away from those who realize that a def kid signing his own name is nothing like bringing firearms on school grounds with the intent to do harm.
sent from mah gun,using my sights
The 14 y.o. will most likely not be adjudicated as an adult, but the odds are very high that he will forever carry that predilection. There's a slight chance at that age, with the right intervention, he might be salvageable. However, he should never be left alone with another child until this can be confirmed.
The 18 y.o. is an out and out pedophile, always will be and should be locked up forever.
When I was a kid (long time ago), an incident happened in our general locale. I did not know the person myself (not in any of my groups), but heard about it and knew who he was. Mid age teenage boy. Like 14 or 15 IIRC. He, one time, sexually abused a young boy (toddler age if memory serves) who he was watching. It eventually got found out, and he was "taken care of." Don't know what that means. But he was not in jail and continued HS, and graduated. Last I heard, a little while back, he was married and had a bevy of his own kids, and was a respected person in his (new) community. Never happened again. He was not a pedophile. Probably was not sexually attracted to kids, but was full of hormones and trying to find a way to experience it. I think he got the cr*p scared out of him and learned to better control his urges.
The reason I bring this up is, how do we tell the real pedophiles from the ones who are just hormone filled youth and make a bad impulse decision to try and deal with it. I can believe that some people have this "sexual imprint" in them to be a pedophile. Those people generally should be removed from society. I would think that anyone of real adult age who abuses kids -- especially if they have other signs like child porn, or carefully plan things out [non impulse] would probably be candidates. But I am less sure, based on this incident that happened in my community long ago, that newly sexually aware young people who stray to an abusive incident are automatically pedophiles. And that could apply to someone who is legally an adult, at 18, for example, who was a shy, introverted kid who struggled with his sexual urges and strayed once as well.
Since some of the remedies here are pretty harsh, (and I don't necessarily disagree with them -- whenever I read a child abuse story in the news, sexual or not, but especially sexual, I have a very strong urge to go shoot the guys brains out -- not that I would act out on that impulse unless I was stopping actual abuse as it was happening), you need to really be able to tell who the real pedophiles are from those who make a mistake and who won't make it again.
Age is one factor, most likely, as a 25 or 35 or 45 year old man can't really be put into the category of someone trying to deal with these new sexual urges and impulses like a teenager. But there are teenage pedophiles as well, and it is probably possible that legal adults who are still teen agers could fall into the first category.
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spelling correction: "pedaphile". Read the studies. Studies have proved that many of these child predators have committed acts before, and will continue prey upon the innocent. It happens in my region all the time! They always have a long record, are caught in a van outside a school looking at kiddie porn, molested a few kids before, assaulted a kid and got away once or twice, etc. I say burn them.
The word is "Pedophile"
I am not disagreeing that there exist people like you describe. I am asking, how do you make the determination.
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When I was a kid (long time ago), an incident happened in our general locale. I did not know the person myself (not in any of my groups), but heard about it and knew who he was. Mid age teenage boy. Like 14 or 15 IIRC. He, one time, sexually abused a young boy (toddler age if memory serves) who he was watching. It eventually got found out, and he was "taken care of." Don't know what that means. But he was not in jail and continued HS, and graduated. Last I heard, a little while back, he was married and had a bevy of his own kids, and was a respected person in his (new) community. Never happened again. He was not a pedophile. Probably was not sexually attracted to kids, but was full of hormones and trying to find a way to experience it. I think he got the cr*p scared out of him and learned to better control his urges.
The reason I bring this up is, how do we tell the real pedophiles from the ones who are just hormone filled youth and make a bad impulse decision to try and deal with it. I can believe that some people have this "sexual imprint" in them to be a pedophile. Those people generally should be removed from society. I would think that anyone of real adult age who abuses kids -- especially if they have other signs like child porn, or carefully plan things out [non impulse] would probably be candidates. But I am less sure, based on this incident that happened in my community long ago, that newly sexually aware young people who stray to an abusive incident are automatically pedophiles. And that could apply to someone who is legally an adult, at 18, for example, who was a shy, introverted kid who struggled with his sexual urges and strayed once as well.
Since some of the remedies here are pretty harsh, (and I don't necessarily disagree with them -- whenever I read a child abuse story in the news, sexual or not, but especially sexual, I have a very strong urge to go shoot the guys brains out -- not that I would act out on that impulse unless I was stopping actual abuse as it was happening), you need to really be able to tell who the real pedophiles are from those who make a mistake and who won't make it again.
Age is one factor, most likely, as a 25 or 35 or 45 year old man can't really be put into the category of someone trying to deal with these new sexual urges and impulses like a teenager. But there are teenage pedophiles as well, and it is probably possible that legal adults who are still teen agers could fall into the first category.
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So who's to say this person didn't simply learn to tightly control his predations so that he wasn't caught again? Scumbag Sandusky wasn't caught until he was old, but I'd be willing to bet the farm that he was abused as a child and became an abuser himself in his early years. He didn't just spontaneously begin doing it in his 40's and 50's.
I just don't think you can ever fully trust that someone once caught will be reformed in any meaningful way. Would you ever fully trust someone like that to be alone with your kids? If not, how could you trust them with ANYONE's kids? How can you truly ensure that they will never, ever be presented with a situation where they would be alone with a kid? The only way is incarceration or death. :(
So who's to say this person didn't simply learn to tightly control his predations so that he wasn't caught again? Scumbag Sandusky wasn't caught until he was old, but I'd be willing to bet the farm that he was abused as a child and became an abuser himself in his early years. He didn't just spontaneously begin doing it in his 40's and 50's.
I just don't think you can ever fully trust that someone once caught will be reformed in any meaningful way. Would you ever fully trust someone like that to be alone with your kids? If not, how could you trust them with ANYONE's kids? How can you truly ensure that they will never, ever be presented with a situation where they would be alone with a kid? The only way is incarceration or death. :(
I don't know the guy, but I assume he has been alone with a kid since. Many times. He has a bunch of his own kids. He probably has been involved with your groups due to his own kids and being an active parent.
He was under the microscope as a youth after this happened. And probably a lot since, since the incident was not something that no one found out about until later.
By all accounts, he is a normal person, and a parent. I can't say more since I don't know more.
I won't argue against "you cannot cure pedophiles" since it is probably true. The question is, how do you determine who the pedophiles are. By all accounts, this person was not one. It seems he was juiced up on hormones he did not know how to control very well, and once the incident happened, seems to have been scared cr*pless and got his act in gear.
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Last I heard, a little while back, he was married and had a bevy of his own kids, and was a respected person in his (new) community. Never happened again.
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Or he has not been caught doing it again !
maybe ?
maybe not ?
nobody really knows if he has done it again ?
I can say every single one caught seems to have done it in the past way more than most would want to know and for way longer its just they were never caught cause most of it is in family and the family tries to deal with it
Out of family most dont want the embarrassment or to come forward ! And sadly many times these sickos are caught their own kids faced it since they were little !
Well that's something up for discussion.
Are pedophiles evil twisted bastards?
or
Are pedophiles mentally ill?
Our culture, by and large, doesn't have an issue with zapping twisted bastards. But zap a retard or two and people tend to complain
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Probably both.
Serial killers are also usually both.
Agreed. However, who's to say there aren't plenty of people wired to become aroused by children that never touch one in a sexual way their entire life? They recognize that their responses are taboo and cause them considerable guilt. In that case, guilt is a positive reinforcement to not touch a child.(
Many of them probably turn to kiddie porn, thinking its not as bad. It most certainly is as bad.
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So how do you determine what someone's "Sexual imprinting" is?
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Thats a good question, there's a boatload of data available on the subject, none of which I'm expert in. However, a highly simplified answer could be, "what gets you off, always will get you off!" Certainly, like anything else, there are individuals with varying degrees of discipline, some will have the inhibition in place to resist, others will fall to their carnal desires with little or no opposition....As it is, the prevailing viewpoint is that once you are sexually attracted to a certain age group, or whatever, you are always attracted to it!
Many of them probably turn to kiddie porn, thinking its not as bad. It most certainly is as bad.
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Kiddie porn is exactly as bad. In order for there to be kiddie porn, a child has to be exploited at some point. :mad:
Here are some notes from a recent conference on human trafficking in my AOR.
Human Trafficking Conference
October 11, 2012
University of Oklahoma, Tulsa Campus
Mark Elam / Speaker
Oklahomans Against Trafficking Humans (OATH)
www.OATHcoalition.org / info@oathcoalition.org
1-800-955-0128
12.5 to 27 million people held in slavery worldwide-80% female /50% children in 183 countries + U.S.
2 – 3 million sold into sex markets worldwide.
Methods used- Fraud or coercion#1, Kidnapping #2.
Commercial exchange for money has to be present for it to be considered Human Trafficking.
Human Trafficking #2 at (32 Billion) -just behind Drug Trafficking. Human Trafficking will be #1 in near future at current rate of growth.
Held in Slavery for: Debt bondage, Bonded labor, Servitude, Sex industry, Child-beggars, soldiers or brides. Organ harvesting, Illegal adoptions.
90% of world population has cell phone and information access; technical advances spread the availability of “what’s out there “to a previously uninformed population.
World Income: 50% @ $2 a day/ 33% @ $1 a day.
Overall purpose of Human Trafficking: Exploitation of a person, preying on and promises of a better life.
World’s worst areas: #1- Bangkok, Thailand where 57% of population are men that will pay for sex, 3 million registered “Bar Girls”- (prostitutes), Largest in the world. #2- Manila, Philippines. #3 Russia.
Organized Crime does extremely well in depressed economy with: Gambling, Drugs, Alcohol and Porn.
World’s worst Country for slavery: India- with 30 to 40 million slaves.
Oklahoma & Texas- People from 122 countries have been freed from the labor and sex traffickers in the last 2 years.
Largest problems in Oklahoma: Child porn, Commercial sex trafficking, child sex trafficking, intimate partner trafficking. Labor trafficking in restaurant, hotel and construction industry, domestic servitude (maids), Illegal baby adoptions, organs and child brides.
Each Year: 8 to 900,000 are taken into the Human Trafficking Business/ 80% are U.S. citizens not foreign nationals.
Trafficking is not a smuggling or illegal worker issue.
14,000 to 17,000 brought into U.S. each year.
100,000 enter across our Mexican border-92% are female, 42% are children(By Traffickers).
Every 30 seconds: a child is reported missing in America according to The National Center of Missing and Exploited Children.
100-352,000 children: are moved into sexual exploitation annualy (ONE EVERY 3.2 SECONDS).
2 million missing children (runaways or throw a ways).
1 million: are in sex trafficking in the U.S.
2.2 million children: are trafficked yearly(worldwide).
500,000: of them not reported(parent or parents do not want any contact from or with Law enforcement) for any number of personal problems.
2009-2010: U.S. #1 destination for child (under age). Sex seekers go to Kansas City, Ks. for young females (under 18) and Oklahoma City, Ok. for children or child porn.
2009- Houston #1 city for child sex trafficking in U.S.
Texas #4 worst state U.S. for trafficking overall.
Oklahoma known as Crossroads of U.S.: for Drug smuggling and Human Trafficking. East- West and North- South Interstate systems. Center of southern U.S.
2003- D.O.J. reported that largest concentration of trafficking survivors receiving federal funds are in, California, Texas, New York, and Oklahoma.
Oklahoma- #1 U.S.: for incarcerations of females in State prisons systems.
Oklahoma- #1 in World: for incarcerations for drug crimes.
Oklahoma-# 1 in U.S.: for child abuse.
Oklahoma- #3 in U.S. for Teen pregnancies tracking 16,000 per year.
2010-Oklahoma City / Human Trafficking Task Force reported more than 100 child sex trafficking cases opened in its first year of operations.
#1 recruitment tool in 2012: Internet. (T.V. viewing in decline)
#2 recruitment tool in 2012: Girl friend or (male) new acquaintance -reference above story.
2002- Tulsa / John Pickle Co.: Equal Employment Opportunity Commission said Tulsa-based oil industry parts manufacturer John Pickle Co. Inc. lured 52 skilled laborers from India, confiscated their identification and immigration documents, crammed them into a warehouse “dormitory” and paid them only about $3 per hour. The highly skilled welders and fitters also worked as janitors and performed other menial jobs for company officers under threat of physical harm. They escaped in 2002 with the aid of area churches. The business was closed. ----
2004- FBI / OKC / Truck stop child prostitution investigation resulted in: Identification of 48 pimps (24 operating with juveniles, 16 children recovered (youngest 13 years old), all recruited from Oklahoma City area and moved to truck stops in Denver, Co./Miami, Fl./ Dallas & Houston, Tx.
August 2009- Largest child sex trafficking ring in S.W. U.S. operating out of Houston and Oklahoma City. Tulsa man charged with: Conspiracy to traffic women & children for commercialized sex, Sex trafficking of children, Sex trafficking by force, Fraud & coercion, Transportation of minors, Coercion & enticement.
2011- OKC/Carina Saunders murder: 19-year old Mustang High School graduate. Tortured and killed by members of a human trafficking ring. Two men, Jimmy Massey, 34, and Luis Ruiz, 37, are being held in the Oklahoma County jail in connection with her death. Court documents filed in the case suggest that Saunders was killed as a message to others not to defy a human- and drug-trafficking ring. Confidential witnesses have painted a picture of a criminal organization that wanted to show what happens to people who don't cooperate. Witnesses told law officers they witnessed, either in person or on videotape, her grisly slaying in an Oklahoma City apartment. Investigators said in court affidavits that Ruiz beat Saunders, tied her to a table and tortured her by sawing off her left foot, then trying to cut off her right foot. But the saw broke. Her dismembered body was found behind a Bethany, Ok. grocery store in a duffle bag. ---Source:http://newsok.com/killing-of-carina-saunders-raises-awareness-of-human-trafficking-cases-in-oklahoma/article/3706668/?page=2
2 million runaways per year in U.S. - 1 million are female’s ages 9-17 years old. Within 24 hrs. they have been propositioned for prostitution and within 48 hrs they are involved in prostitution typical with a pimp.
87% of runaway children in trafficking have been abused in the home they fled. Causes: low income, poverty, low education in parent or parents.
80% to 94% sexually abused by family member at early age.
New play ground for children: Social media & gaming.
Average age beginning internet exposure: 3-5 yoa.
Global age to begin prostitution for female – 14 yoa.
U.S. age begin prostitution for female- 12 to 13 yoa.
Statement of a human trafficking recruiter in interviews with investigators, when asked how he would recruit females- I would roam large malls, theatres or open public areas with young girls present. I would approach them and say “you have beautiful eyes”. If she looked eye to eye at me and kept walking or verbally responded to me and kept walking I would not pursue her any further but if she looked down and had no verbal response I would turn around and initiate further conversation knowing by this type of response she had little if any self confidence. Successful a high % of the time using this tactic. Would then sell a dream to her, usually modeling career offer. What followed instead would be drugs, pregnancies, prostitution or all the above.
The statistics listed in these notes didn't come with citations, but are illustrative regardless of their level of accuracy.
This is how predators work. Yet not all predators will traffic their victims. In many cases they will keep the victim for their own, yet what happens to the victim once the 1st predator is done with them is a continued pattern of abusive relationships. In this context, there are far more victims than survivors. :(
Thats a good question, there's a boatload of data available on the subject, none of which I'm expert in. However, a highly simplified answer could be, "what gets you off, always will get you off!" Certainly, like anything else, there are individuals with varying degrees of discipline, some will have the inhibition in place to resist, others will fall to their carnal desires with little or no opposition....As it is, the prevailing viewpoint is that once you are sexually attracted to a certain age group, or whatever, you are always attracted to it!
If it was suddenly decided by society that it is wrong to be attracted to Miri Hanai, I could never ever turn that off. If I ever had the opportunity and she was good to go I would never pass on that (except for the fact that I'm married of course).
http://www.enthuzed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/sexy-yoga-pants-2.jpeg
Every time I see that picture, I start to drool and wonder, 'What is she stirring in that pot?':secret:
Every time I see that picture, I start to drool and wonder, 'What is she stirring in that pot?':secret:
Could it be Beef Strogganoff?
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Now it looks like Elmo was molesting boys on Sesame Street.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/11/12/voice-sesame-street-elmo-denies-had-gay-sex-with-minor/
Now it looks like Elmo was molesting boys on Sesame Street.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/11/12/voice-sesame-street-elmo-denies-had-gay-sex-with-minor/
Brings a whole new meaning to "Tickle Me Elmo", doesn't it? :(
FChen17213
11-12-12, 14:55
That pic above is freaking disgusting. That woman can stand to lose at least 15 to 20 lbs. I don't know about the rest of you all, but rear ends are disgusting if they're large. That's a very urban view to like large rear ends. JMHO. YMMV. Since we're on the internet, it's not difficult to find what sets the gold standard....just look up the views and hits on Candice Swanepoel and Miranda Kerr.
As far as pedophiles go? Our society places entirely too much emphasis and condemnation on sex crimes period...whether they involve children or not. I am sure this stems from our Puritanical values from the 1700s and before. I am not saying that sex crimes are not serious. They absolutely are and are horrific abominable crimes. However, is a rape really worse than someone breaking both kneecaps on someone? Is a rape really worse than pouring scolding water or oil in someone's face, maiming and disfiguring them forever? I don't think so.
Sex crimes used to be considered so serious because they caused unwanted pregnancies and when abortions were very difficult and dangerous to perform. A woman's chastity and virginity used to be prized. Women who were raped often could not be wed and so forth. In today's world where most women sleep around all the time with more than 20 men a year? I fail to see why a rape should be almost on par with 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. Women always argue that it's the "psychological" aspect. Really? How about women who sleep with 300 men and do porn? Did that one more make a difference? Yeah, I know it was forced. Not saying that it's not bad, but it sure as hell doesn't deserve the level of punishment as 2nd degree murder or assault with a deadly weapon inflicting serious bodily injury. Not in my opinion. Yours very well may be different.
As far as children go? The reason why people despise pedophiles (yes, I despise them too) is because we cannot tolerate people or pieces of **** who hurt what we generally cherish the most....our children. People do not want to see what they hold most dear and innocent be destroyed, corrupted, or.....(gasp) molested. It's about as simple as that. Think about paraphilias. Some people have strange fetishes. Some people are turned on by animals (zoophilia). Some people are turned on by plants (dendrophilia). Some people are turned on by corpses (necrophilia). Some people are turned on by old people (gerontophilia). Some are even aroused by feces (scatophilia). The list goes on. However taboo some of those strange sexual arousals may be, none are as taboo or widely condemned as pedophilia. Why? Because of what I said earlier. It destroys our future and what most people prize the most and hold dearest...their children.
So should all "chesters" go burn in hell and be tortured to death? I don't know....I don't think they are mentally more culpable than many other sick people out there. However, from a societal and utilitarian perspective, yeah maybe.
Where should we draw the line? I would have to agree with the poster above. As long as the guy can control his perverted sexual desires, he should be ok and we cannot punish him. It would be ridiculous and 1984ish to start creating "thought crimes." I mean, if Chester Molester wants to masturbate in private to whatever sick fantasies he may have, that's his own damn business. Not mine. Not yours. As long as he doesn't act out his fantasies and hurt anyone else, it should be his own right to.
That pic above is freaking disgusting. That woman can stand to lose at least 15 to 20 lbs. I don't know about the rest of you all, but rear ends are disgusting if they're large. That's a very urban view to like large rear ends. JMHO. YMMV. Since we're on the internet, it's not difficult to find what sets the gold standard....just look up the views and hits on Candice Swanepoel and Miranda Kerr.
Damn, I guess I'm urban. Who knew?
I also like big tits, so does that make me country?
Am I urban / country? It's all so confusing.
I've always been a Jayne Mansfield, Mamie Van Doren & Jane Russell kind of guy. Significant hourglasses all around.
Jennifer Lawrence.
Mmmmmmm
http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/lawrence-luncheon/jennifer-lawrence-oscar-luncheon-01.jpg
edited to add: She's 22
That pic above is freaking disgusting. That woman can stand to lose at least 15 to 20 lbs. I don't know about the rest of you all, but rear ends are disgusting if they're large. That's a very urban view to like large rear ends. JMHO. YMMV. Since we're on the internet, it's not difficult to find what sets the gold standard....just look up the views and hits on Candice Swanepoel and Miranda Kerr.
Either this is a bad attempt at sarcasm, or you got a screw loose. That is seriously fine by any standard. :)
As for the rest, all violent criminal acts are bad. Our society accepts certain violent acts and condemns others. Community standards are exactly that. The heinousness of the crime will be different from person to person, but it's generally accepted that the crime is higher on the heinous scale if the victim is less able to defend themselves or when a position of authority is abused. It's bad to kneecap a 6' 200# man who's doing nothing wrong. It's REALLY bad to kneecap a 12 year old girl with Downs Syndrome.
Moose-Knuckle
11-13-12, 03:20
Now it looks like Elmo was molesting boys on Sesame Street.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/11/12/voice-sesame-street-elmo-denies-had-gay-sex-with-minor/
Saw that, wanna bet the oxygen thief drives an econo van without windows . . .
I would say that we are becoming a pedophile nation. It's happening in stages with one big step being the sexual revolution of the late 60's. Another big step has been the Internet and social networking with web-based child porn becoming endemic.
As for the discussion being too taboo, I disagree. The fact that you continue to post in the thread makes me question you commitment to this notion.
It's a pretty typical progression as a society declines, that each stage of moral decline fights for normalization and mainstream acceptance. Promiscuity, pornography, adultery, homosexuality, pedophilia, and finally bestiality. The last stage is generally accompanied by complete collapse. This isn't any sort of amazing revelation and can be seen throughout history if one actually examines the evidence. Some empires don't even make it to the final stages before falling apart from the societal decay that results when such behaviors are normalized, let alone glorified. Expect pedophilia to increasingly be in the news until it too generates enough critical mass and public figureheads that it can fight for mainstream acceptance using the very same arguments the gay rights movement has used.
FChen17213
11-13-12, 10:33
Yes, so it is very profane to display pictures of disgusting people's rear ends too. And no, I wasn't being sarcastic. Also, let's not forget that profanity, alcohol consumption, drug abuse, smoking, prostitution etc etc are also all vices that are to be avoided. The Puritans frequently condemned smiling because smiling meant that you were with the devil. While we're at it, we better require that all women wear burqas or God forbid what will happen.
Wait a min.....I'm starting to see some similarities between radical Christianity and......(Oh No!)....Islam. The Muslims who want to force women to wear Burqas and behead all homosexuals should maybe team up with the Christian Right because after all? What they want isn't all that different. They're just doing it under a different banner.
As far as Bestiality goes? I would only condemn bestiality because animals do not have the mental development of humans. Thus, they cannot give meaningful consent. Therefore, it is like rape. That is the only reason why bestiality is wrong and should be outlawed. As far as dendrophiles go? I'm ok with that. If you want to have intercourse with vegetables or plants, why should anyone tell you that that's wrong or that you shouldn't do it? Heck, I find a large fat woman's ass so revolting, a beautiful leopard, cheetah, lioness, bear, etc is definitely more beautiful and attractive than the above picture. You all may disagree, but think of the soft fawn fur on an animal. Animals are homogenous in color for the most part and are covered with soft fur in a very homogenous scheme. People on the other hand, have this nasty skin pocked with hairs and/or freckles. In addition, many people have all this adipose tissue, fat rolls, and folds in skin, and all this other gross stuff going on. Therefore, it is very logical to me that many animals are much much more beautiful than people. Just my humble opinion.
It's a pretty typical progression as a society declines, that each stage of moral decline fights for normalization and mainstream acceptance. Promiscuity, pornography, adultery, homosexuality, pedophilia, and finally bestiality. The last stage is generally accompanied by complete collapse. This isn't any sort of amazing revelation and can be seen throughout history if one actually examines the evidence. Some empires don't even make it to the final stages before falling apart from the societal decay that results when such behaviors are normalized, let alone glorified. Expect pedophilia to increasingly be in the news until it too generates enough critical mass and public figureheads that it can fight for mainstream acceptance using the very same arguments the gay rights movement has used.
Which is usuallly followed by a period of "cleansing" and a dark age. Humans have a propensity for violence, regardless of the form it may take. When tolerance levels are exceeded, the world becomes a VERY ugly place. :(
Yes, so it is very profane to display pictures of disgusting people's rear ends too. And no, I wasn't being sarcastic. Also, let's not forget that profanity, alcohol consumption, drug abuse, smoking, prostitution etc etc are also all vices that are to be avoided. The Puritans frequently condemned smiling because smiling meant that you were with the devil. While we're at it, we better require that all women wear burqas or God forbid what will happen.
Wait a min.....I'm starting to see some similarities between radical Christianity and......(Oh No!)....Islam. The Muslims who want to force women to wear Burqas and behead all homosexuals should maybe team up with the Christian Right because after all? What they want isn't all that different. They're just doing it under a different banner.
As far as Bestiality goes? I would only condemn bestiality because animals do not have the mental development of humans. Thus, they cannot give meaningful consent. Therefore, it is like rape. That is the only reason why bestiality is wrong and should be outlawed. As far as dendrophiles go? I'm ok with that. If you want to have intercourse with vegetables or plants, why should anyone tell you that that's wrong or that you shouldn't do it? Heck, I find a large fat woman's ass so revolting, a beautiful leopard, cheetah, lioness, bear, etc is definitely more beautiful and attractive than the above picture. You all may disagree, but think of the soft fawn fur on an animal. Animals are homogenous in color for the most part and are covered with soft fur in a very homogenous scheme. People on the other hand, have this nasty skin pocked with hairs and/or freckles. In addition, many people have all this adipose tissue, fat rolls, and folds in skin, and all this other gross stuff going on. Therefore, it is very logical to me that many animals are much much more beautiful than people. Just my humble opinion.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/members/jill61-603505-albums-board-images-pic44882-bunny-pancake.jpg
That pic above is freaking disgusting. That woman can stand to lose at least 15 to 20 lbs. I don't know about the rest of you all, but rear ends are disgusting if they're large. That's a very urban view to like large rear ends. JMHO. YMMV. Since we're on the internet, it's not difficult to find what sets the gold standard....just look up the views and hits on Candice Swanepoel and Miranda Kerr.
you're on ****ing crack
FChen17213
11-13-12, 13:24
It truly amazes me the amount of narrowmindedness and personal attacks people use on this forum simply because others have a different viewpoint. So I will reiterate what is still my opinion and just my opinion. I find large rear ends repulsive and disgusting....those pictures are certainly revolting compared to the societal model standards of such individuals like Rosie Huntington-Whiteley and Lindsey Ellingson. In fact, beautiful lionesses and tigresses act classier and more feminine in my opinion than many young women today. Don't agree? That's cool with me. I don't think any more or less of any individual just because they have a different personal taste.
It seems to me like people place an awful amount of emphasis on just societal norms or what they deem to be societal norms even though there isn't any blackletter law concerning such abstract concepts such as beauty or good music or art etc.
Does Papa John's taste better than Domino's? I think so. Just my opinion. Is it a provable fact? Of course not. John Doe might agree or disagree with me. Jane Doe might think that Domino's is better than Papa Johns.
Opinions are just opinions. I find Colt Pythons and 1911s beautiful whereas another may be attracted to Hi Points and Bryco Jennings Arms guns.
It truly amazes me the amount of narrowmindedness and personal attacks people use on this forum simply because others have a different viewpoint. So I will reiterate what is still my opinion and just my opinion. I find large rear ends repulsive and disgusting....those pictures are certainly revolting compared to the societal model standards of such individuals like Rosie Huntington-Whiteley and Lindsey Ellingson.
You mean like calling others "urban" because they think differently than you? Personally I tend to be attracted to all kinds of females. About the only exception to the rule is the 20's flapper / 60s Twiggy body type that looks like a 12 year old boy.
In fact, beautiful lionesses and tigresses act classier and more feminine in my opinion than many young women today. Don't agree? That's cool with me. I don't think any more or less of any individual just because they have a different personal taste.
Didn't you start out by criticizing a personal taste and judging others accordingly? I really hope this is nothing more than a convoluted and incoherent troll post. If not, you really need help.
Moose-Knuckle
11-13-12, 16:32
It's a pretty typical progression as a society declines, that each stage of moral decline fights for normalization and mainstream acceptance. Promiscuity, pornography, adultery, homosexuality, pedophilia, and finally bestiality. The last stage is generally accompanied by complete collapse. This isn't any sort of amazing revelation and can be seen throughout history if one actually examines the evidence. Some empires don't even make it to the final stages before falling apart from the societal decay that results when such behaviors are normalized, let alone glorified. Expect pedophilia to increasingly be in the news until it too generates enough critical mass and public figureheads that it can fight for mainstream acceptance using the very same arguments the gay rights movement has used.
You just hit the X-ring.
FChen17213
11-13-12, 16:32
Never said "urban" is supposed to be derogatory. That in itself probably says something about how you view city dwellers.
Nothing wrong with opinions. While some may view some species more attractive than others. What's wrong with an opinion? I guess some people get insulted when I say that I like Bojangles more than KFC. I guess it's their right to.
Never said "urban" is supposed to be derogatory. That in itself probably says something about how you view city dwellers.
Nothing wrong with opinions. While some may view some species more attractive than others. What's wrong with an opinion? I guess some people get insulted when I say that I like Bojangles more than KFC. I guess it's their right to.
You don't know when to cut your losses, do you? :D
FChen17213
11-13-12, 16:46
It's a pretty typical progression as a society declines, that each stage of moral decline fights for normalization and mainstream acceptance. Promiscuity, pornography, adultery, homosexuality, pedophilia, and finally bestiality. The last stage is generally accompanied by complete collapse. This isn't any sort of amazing revelation and can be seen throughout history if one actually examines the evidence. Some empires don't even make it to the final stages before falling apart from the societal decay that results when such behaviors are normalized, let alone glorified. Expect pedophilia to increasingly be in the news until it too generates enough critical mass and public figureheads that it can fight for mainstream acceptance using the very same arguments the gay rights movement has used.
I don't think this is hitting the X-Ring. I think it's shanking one out of the black, off the repair center, and barely hitting the IPSC cardboard in my opinion. With this type of logic, how about cursing? Alcohol? Lying? Smoking? Not going to church 5 days a week? Bikinis? How many of you have been to Vegas? Ever been to a strip club?
You all do understand that in some religions, it is considered very immoral for women to not cover themselves from head to toe and wear a mask right?
So what standard do we use with this? Yours? Are you the end-all, be-all? It's ok to go get drunk with your buddies and use foul language. It's ok to smoke cigars. It's ok to go to strip clubs and go to Vegas to get hookers. But hey! It's NOT ok to not go to church? It's NOT ok to be homosexual. It's NOT ok to smoke marijuana or watch Porn?
The thing about moral standards is that there are so many different standards to choose from. You can even invent your own moral standards. There really are no hard and fast rules. The only thing I can honestly think of is to allow anyone and everyone to do absolutely whatever they want to as long as it does not physically hurt anyone else. That is why people of my belief do not have any problem with homosexuality, polygamy, or whatever so-called deviant sexual behavior is out there as long as it is between consenting adults where no one gets physically injured.
America is considered a relatively "free" country right? Why not let it be? Stop telling others what to do in terms of morals. While you might think they are immoral. Keep in mind that they may believe that you are just as immoral and their belief may be every bit as strong as yours.
Never said "urban" is supposed to be derogatory. That in itself probably says something about how you view city dwellers.
You didn't have to. You equated "urban" with a negative viewpoint that you find "repulsive" so anyone who can read understands the context of your use of the word "urban." And now you are trying to play "I know you are but what am I?" games.
Nothing wrong with opinions. While some may view some species more attractive than others. What's wrong with an opinion? I guess some people get insulted when I say that I like Bojangles more than KFC. I guess it's their right to.
I'm gonna let you resolve that issue without my help.
FChen17213
11-13-12, 16:48
You don't know when to cut your losses, do you? :D
I don't have a clue what you're talking about. Other than you make no sense to me.
I don't have a clue what you're talking about. Other than you make no sense to me.
You're in CO aren't you.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xpDVvM2RMEw/Rd0yJadsbjI/AAAAAAAAAAs/HQS92VHyyN8/s320/5890587_348.ts1162711633000.jpg
I don't have a clue what you're talking about. Other than you make no sense to me.
Well at least I have that going for me! :D
Well at least I have that going for me! :D
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6Y98oDQ9ar8/Tfl3YcXmcpI/AAAAAAAAFQ4/LDed3SBfy4k/s400/gunga+galunga+The+Dalai+Lama+big+hitter+caddy+shack++caddyshack+carl+spackler+bill+murray+motivational+posters.jpg
Suwannee Tim
11-13-12, 17:13
http://www.enthuzed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/sexy-yoga-pants-2.jpeg
Why is there a wet spot centered right on her ass? Looks like she wet her britches.
Even so, she would clean right up in the shower or the bathtub. I like 'em with a little meat on their bones.
FChen17213
11-13-12, 17:17
Actually, I am a bit confused now about the last two posts. Let me try and figure it out on my own. Then again, I will stop wasting my own precious time as well as other posters' precious time. I'm not going to waste any more time arguing with you all which I still vehemently disagree with.
Nonetheless, I do respect you all's opinions. Yes, even the ones drooling over large rears. I probably won't ever understand why anyone would find that picture any more attractive than a beautiful skinny lady or other species. People like Alessandra Ambrosio or Giselle Bunchen are far better looking. Heck, Lady Liuwa of the Liuwa Plain is far more beautiful than some woman with a large rear in my humble opinion.
But hey, each to his own.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6Y98oDQ9ar8/Tfl3YcXmcpI/AAAAAAAAFQ4/LDed3SBfy4k/s400/gunga+galunga+The+Dalai+Lama+big+hitter+caddy+shack++caddyshack+carl+spackler+bill+murray+motivational+posters.jpg
I salute you sir! You totally get me. :)
Why is there a wet spot centered right on her ass? Looks like she wet her britches.
Not a wet spot. That's a bodacious booty shadow! :D
Actually, I am a bit confused now about the last two posts. Let me try and figure it out on my own. Then again, I will stop wasting my own precious time as well as other posters' precious time. I'm not going to waste any more time arguing with you all which I still vehemently disagree with.
Nonetheless, I do respect you all's opinions. Yes, even the ones drooling over large rears. I probably won't ever understand why anyone would find that picture any more attractive than a beautiful skinny lady or other species. People like Alessandra Ambrosio or Giselle Bunchen are far better looking. Heck, Lady Liuwa of the Liuwa Plain is far more beautiful than some woman with a large rear in my humble opinion.
But hey, each to his own.
I sense partial consciousness forming in this post. Please continue your endeavors to attain enlightenment! :cool:
FChen17213
11-13-12, 17:32
Just Google some names I've thrown out. They'll be a treat for your eyes. :D
Just Google some names I've thrown out. They'll be a treat for your eyes. :D
With the exception of Alessandra, they are all kinda "meh."
I'm more Gemma Atkinson, Lucy Pinder, Maria Whittaker, Keelyy Hazel & Sophie Howard.
And if I'm gonna go with the fashion model body type that excites homosexuals so much, it will be Laetitia Casta.
Heck, Lady Liuwa of the Liuwa Plain is far more beautiful than some woman with a large rear in my humble opinion.
You should like totally tap that and post pics.
FChen17213
11-13-12, 18:06
Too bad that would be X-Rated and even banned in some states. Besides, I think she's already got two handsome men (who were translocated) after her on the Liuwa Plain. :D
Too bad that would be X-Rated and even banned in some states. Besides, I think she's already got two handsome men (who were translocated) after her on the Liuwa Plain. :D
Can you even still see left field from where you are at?
Sexual predators seek out places where Children are less supervised (churches, boy scouts, youth centers, etc). So it should be of no shock to us that people become Scout leaders in an attempt to satisfy their sexual deviances.
If you are a parent of a child under the age of 18, you should pretty much always assume that everywhere your child goes has a sexual predator nearby and act accordingly.
C4
Belmont31R
11-13-12, 21:54
Why is there a wet spot centered right on her ass? Looks like she wet her britches.
Even so, she would clean right up in the shower or the bathtub. I like 'em with a little meat on their bones.
Shadow.
And I LOVE yoga pants....:D
Good news from Sesame St. It looks like Elmo's partner was indeed legal.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2012/11/13/elmo-puppeteer-sex-charges/1703133/
Perhaps the country is not going to hell after all...
Moose-Knuckle
11-14-12, 01:52
Good news from Sesame St. It looks like Elmo's partner was indeed legal.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2012/11/13/elmo-puppeteer-sex-charges/1703133/
Yeah it's amazing how those payoffs can make one's memory jogged back to when they were 18 YOA. :D
I don't think this is hitting the X-Ring. I think it's shanking one out of the black, off the repair center, and barely hitting the IPSC cardboard in my opinion. With this type of logic, how about cursing? Alcohol? Lying? Smoking? Not going to church 5 days a week? Bikinis? How many of you have been to Vegas? Ever been to a strip club?
You all do understand that in some religions, it is considered very immoral for women to not cover themselves from head to toe and wear a mask right?
So what standard do we use with this? Yours? Are you the end-all, be-all? It's ok to go get drunk with your buddies and use foul language. It's ok to smoke cigars. It's ok to go to strip clubs and go to Vegas to get hookers. But hey! It's NOT ok to not go to church? It's NOT ok to be homosexual. It's NOT ok to smoke marijuana or watch Porn?
The thing about moral standards is that there are so many different standards to choose from. You can even invent your own moral standards. There really are no hard and fast rules. The only thing I can honestly think of is to allow anyone and everyone to do absolutely whatever they want to as long as it does not physically hurt anyone else. That is why people of my belief do not have any problem with homosexuality, polygamy, or whatever so-called deviant sexual behavior is out there as long as it is between consenting adults where no one gets physically injured.
America is considered a relatively "free" country right? Why not let it be? Stop telling others what to do in terms of morals. While you might think they are immoral. Keep in mind that they may believe that you are just as immoral and their belief may be every bit as strong as yours.
There is a different about encouraging people to be "moral" and enforcing it in law. I am against enforcing it in law, as long as the behavior does not affect innocent victims (which can sometimes be complicated but in general things like abortion, which affect an innocent victim, would be legislated, while porn, alcohol, drug use, etc would not be, though they are also not an excuse and if you screw up then you get the book thrown at you, i.e. DUI/DWI).
So I agree that the country is undergoing a moral decline and decay that will have far reaching effects. However, you cannot legislate your way out of it. You have to have a profound change in each individuals understanding and pursuit of morality or lack thereof.
And I am NOT talking about whether a religion says a woman should be completely covered. Those are details that don't speak the morality of the society. Only the piety of the individual to their belief system
But I am talking about blatant sexualization of everything, everywhere, without limits. And abortion on demand -- killing innocent babies. And lack if inhibitions on action as it pertains to honesty and ethical behavior.
If all we had to argue about were the lengths of women's dresses, or whether we should keep Sunday as the "day of rest" or Saturday (or another day), I think we would be doing pretty well. (And with the length of a woman's dress or which day is the "day of rest," I am not talking about legislating but rather societal discourse and sharing of ideas in order to persuade others outside of using governmental force -- kind of like has happened with smoking. I understand that taxes have had an effect on smoking, but the bigger effect on smoking and its reduction has been the general societal non-acceptance that has grown up. We did not have to go to the law and make smoking illegal. Society has started to figure out on its own that it is not such a great idea.)
meanderings done
out
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Moose-Knuckle
11-21-12, 02:26
Second under age accuser comes forward . . . doh!
Elmo Actor Kevin Clash Resigns From Sesame Street
Amid New Sex Allegation
http://abcnews.go.com/US/elmo-actor-kevin-clash-resigns-sesame-street/story?id=17768832
Yes, so it is very profane to display pictures of disgusting people's rear ends too. And no, I wasn't being sarcastic. Also, let's not forget that profanity, alcohol consumption, drug abuse, smoking, prostitution etc etc are also all vices that are to be avoided. The Puritans frequently condemned smiling because smiling meant that you were with the devil. While we're at it, we better require that all women wear burqas or God forbid what will happen.
Wait a min.....I'm starting to see some similarities between radical Christianity and......(Oh No!)....Islam. The Muslims who want to force women to wear Burqas and behead all homosexuals should maybe team up with the Christian Right because after all? What they want isn't all that different. They're just doing it under a different banner.
As far as Bestiality goes? I would only condemn bestiality because animals do not have the mental development of humans. Thus, they cannot give meaningful consent. Therefore, it is like rape. That is the only reason why bestiality is wrong and should be outlawed. As far as dendrophiles go? I'm ok with that. If you want to have intercourse with vegetables or plants, why should anyone tell you that that's wrong or that you shouldn't do it? Heck, I find a large fat woman's ass so revolting, a beautiful leopard, cheetah, lioness, bear, etc is definitely more beautiful and attractive than the above picture. You all may disagree, but think of the soft fawn fur on an animal. Animals are homogenous in color for the most part and are covered with soft fur in a very homogenous scheme. People on the other hand, have this nasty skin pocked with hairs and/or freckles. In addition, many people have all this adipose tissue, fat rolls, and folds in skin, and all this other gross stuff going on. Therefore, it is very logical to me that many animals are much much more beautiful than people. Just my humble opinion.
Who in the hell left the back door open? I mean you have got to be friggin kidding me. This thread was needlessly bad news from the beginning, but the dude above defies description.
Good news from Sesame St. It looks like Elmo's partner was indeed legal.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2012/11/13/elmo-puppeteer-sex-charges/1703133/
Perhaps the country is not going to hell after all...
The man was always an oddball. Look at what he did for the past 28 years without moving on to something more advanced. A disturbed person with a strange career equates to little more than a mental patient molester, not mainstream society as a whole.
It looks like the academics want to reclassify pedophilia as a sexual orientation instead of a disorder. All part of the normalization campaign.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light?INTCMP=SRCH
The reclassification of paedophilia as a sexual orientation would, however, play into what Goode calls "the sexual liberation discourse", which has existed since the 1970s. "There are a lot of people," she says, "who say: we outlawed homosexuality, and we were wrong. Perhaps we're wrong about paedophilia."
It looks like the academics want to reclassify pedophilia as a sexual orientation instead of a disorder. All part of the normalization campaign.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light?INTCMP=SRCH
The reclassification of paedophilia as a sexual orientation would, however, play into what Goode calls "the sexual liberation discourse", which has existed since the 1970s. "There are a lot of people," she says, "who say: we outlawed homosexuality, and we were wrong. Perhaps we're wrong about paedophilia."
If we're going to say that sex with minors is OK, wouldn't that by extension require us to concede that minors are capable and authorized to make all other life decisions? If they can agree to have sex with someone, wouldn't that mean they're mature enough to smoke, drink, vote, join the military, get married, and all the other things that persons in full control of their own persons do?
Utter crapola. :mad:
Sexual predators seek out places where Children are less supervised (churches, boy scouts, youth centers, etc). So it should be of no shock to us that people become Scout leaders in an attempt to satisfy their sexual deviances.
If you are a parent of a child under the age of 18, you should pretty much always assume that everywhere your child goes has a sexual predator nearby and act accordingly.
C4
A majority of the cases I had to investigate when I first worked plain clothes were child sex abuse cases. I can tell you from experience that C4 gives excellent advice that every parent should follow.
It is not just more awareness due to media that I notice. The sexualization of America's youth has become pervasive. Look at how kids dress, the commercials, etc. We now have organizations such as NAMBLA that operate in the open with impunity. We also have judges handing down soft sentences for child rape, and politicians who oppose measures such as Jessica's Law to punish pedophiles.
NAMBLA is almost 40 years old and by the most extreme reports has about a thousand members.
They "operate in the open with impunity" - to the extent that they actually do, which is questionable - because, like Neo-Nazis and their ilk you get to say what you want until you start to openly advocate law-breaking and violation of the rights of others.
The Boy Scout files, you might notice, cover 1959-1985. Not exactly a recent occurrence.
Submariner
01-07-13, 17:29
There is nothing worse than being publicly labeled as a child molester in this country, so implying that a degree of social acceptance is taking place is simply false.
Being labeled the owner of an evil assault rifles is fast approaching this.
Moose-Knuckle
01-08-13, 02:59
It looks like the academics want to reclassify pedophilia as a sexual orientation instead of a disorder. All part of the normalization campaign.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light?INTCMP=SRCH
The same thing they did with homosexuality decades ago.
Do you all see where this is going? As a nation we are taking things that are regarded as amoral/illegal and making them socially acceptable (illegal immigration, pedophilia, smoking marijuana, etc.) all the while demonizing firearms and their owners.
This as they say is a clue.
That pic above is freaking disgusting. That woman can stand to lose at least 15 to 20 lbs. I don't know about the rest of you all, but rear ends are disgusting if they're large. That's a very urban view to like large rear ends. JMHO. YMMV. Since we're on the internet, it's not difficult to find what sets the gold standard....just look up the views and hits on Candice Swanepoel and Miranda Kerr.
As far as pedophiles go? Our society places entirely too much emphasis and condemnation on sex crimes period...whether they involve children or not. I am sure this stems from our Puritanical values from the 1700s and before. I am not saying that sex crimes are not serious. They absolutely are and are horrific abominable crimes. However, is a rape really worse than someone breaking both kneecaps on someone? Is a rape really worse than pouring scolding water or oil in someone's face, maiming and disfiguring them forever? I don't think so.
Sex crimes used to be considered so serious because they caused unwanted pregnancies and when abortions were very difficult and dangerous to perform. A woman's chastity and virginity used to be prized. Women who were raped often could not be wed and so forth. In today's world where most women sleep around all the time with more than 20 men a year? I fail to see why a rape should be almost on par with 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. Women always argue that it's the "psychological" aspect. Really? How about women who sleep with 300 men and do porn? Did that one more make a difference? Yeah, I know it was forced. Not saying that it's not bad, but it sure as hell doesn't deserve the level of punishment as 2nd degree murder or assault with a deadly weapon inflicting serious bodily injury. Not in my opinion. Yours very well may be different.
As far as children go? The reason why people despise pedophiles (yes, I despise them too) is because we cannot tolerate people or pieces of **** who hurt what we generally cherish the most....our children. People do not want to see what they hold most dear and innocent be destroyed, corrupted, or.....(gasp) molested. It's about as simple as that. Think about paraphilias. Some people have strange fetishes. Some people are turned on by animals (zoophilia). Some people are turned on by plants (dendrophilia). Some people are turned on by corpses (necrophilia). Some people are turned on by old people (gerontophilia). Some are even aroused by feces (scatophilia). The list goes on. However taboo some of those strange sexual arousals may be, none are as taboo or widely condemned as pedophilia. Why? Because of what I said earlier. It destroys our future and what most people prize the most and hold dearest...their children.
So should all "chesters" go burn in hell and be tortured to death? I don't know....I don't think they are mentally more culpable than many other sick people out there. However, from a societal and utilitarian perspective, yeah maybe.
Where should we draw the line? I would have to agree with the poster above. As long as the guy can control his perverted sexual desires, he should be ok and we cannot punish him. It would be ridiculous and 1984ish to start creating "thought crimes." I mean, if Chester Molester wants to masturbate in private to whatever sick fantasies he may have, that's his own damn business. Not mine. Not yours. As long as he doesn't act out his fantasies and hurt anyone else, it should be his own right to.
but you have already answered your own question. the law and punishment are to reflect societal views. if women and children are dread to be assaulted sexually then the laws and punishments will reflect that.
i can appreciate that you are trying to be objective in some way, but this is a socially subjective matter. what the majority FEELS is what will be dispensed.
the larger question i think that you are begging, and you may be way too ahead of the curve, is the one where we question if the afront of women and children has become more acceptable due to cultural normals of the modern first world.
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