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Just got it today. Bought it from Grant. Thanks again Grant. New Production. Audible and tactile reset if it matters. Shot it right away. No upgrades except Ameriglo I-Dots. 5 10rd mags.
Ended up shooting 200 rds of 115gr PMC at shoot-n-c targets. Shot 10 at 10yds, 10 at 15yds, about 50-60 at 3-5 yds, 10 at 25 yds prone and 100 at 25 yds on a hard flat surface on the mag base plate.
I switched from medium to large back straps and back. Groups at 3,5 and 10 yds standing were fine for my 1st time shooting the gun. At 25, it was horrendous.
I did notice toward the end, more and more hits toward the center of the target. I don't know if I started getting the trigger down, a proper support and grip, sight alignment and POA for these sights and the MP, all of the above or it was a fluke.
It was enough for me to hold on to the gun and buy some different Ammo and get many more rds down range. Not sure if its the Indian, arrow or both. I'm admittedly bad at 25 standing but felt I had good support on the bench. Although the slight progress gives me hope.
Otherwise this gun needs no upgrades and is a kitten to shoot. I could see it being my go to if I get it to shoot consistently accurate and spent rds stop hitting me in the head.
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Guess I posted this when there are 4 million other M&P 9 posts. Oops.
Leonidas24
10-24-12, 09:16
Guess I posted this when there are 4 million other M&P 9 posts. Oops.
I dropped the ball on my review and haven't had time to take pics or shoot it much more than I already have. Nonetheless I might just post em in here as a compliment to your review. I have nothing to add other than I still haven't shot mine at 25. I'm interested to see with a little more time on the gun if your groups improve at 25.
Ill keep you posted. Feel free to post your progress in here.
brickboy240
10-24-12, 11:26
So the M&P 9 full size guns are giving brass to the face like the newer Glock 9s?
Ugh....say it isn't so.
-brickboy240
So the M&P 9 full size guns are giving brass to the face like the newer Glock 9s?
Ugh....say it isn't so.
-brickboy240
S&W changed the extractor in the pistols to better deal with shallow rims of the Winchester ammo. After a couple hundred rounds of shooting, the spring loosens up a bit and the extraction changes.
C4
My BCM hat has about 50 tiny specs on the front from brass hitting it. They're coming back hard and fast too. Some were landing on my arms, some over my head. Good thing I was wearing a hat.
Oh no, Smith has decided to switch to 10-round mags in 9mm. Wait, you live in NY...:eek:
Sorry, I could not resist rubbing it in. Look on the bright side, you will probably save some money on carry ammo. Then again, you probably can't even get a carry license in NY...:D
brickboy240
10-24-12, 11:43
Is there a stiffer aftermarket extractor spring for the M&P9 full-size ot help with this problem?
I am doing as much research as possible on an alternative to my problematic G19. If the new Apex extractor does not cure the brass to face...I am dumping this pistol.
Along with the PPQ, P-30 and just trying to find a nice lightly used older G19 or G17...I might look at the M&P but it seems to have it's share of warts as well. Too bad because it feels really nice in the hands.
-brickboy240
Thanks for contributing to this thread Sensei, you're a ****ing genius. We get it rubbed in our faces everyday here. Don't need another pro gun guy doing it as well. Contribute advice or data pertaining to the M&P 9 FS or go to general discussion and joke around there.
Oh no, Smith has decided to switch to 10-round mags in 9mm. Wait, you live in NY...:eek:
Sorry, I could not resist rubbing it in. Look on the bright side, you will probably save some money on carry ammo. Then again, you probably can't even get a carry license in NY...:D
Is there a stiffer aftermarket extractor spring for the M&P9 full-size ot help with this problem?
I am doing as much research as possible on an alternative to my problematic G19. If the new Apex extractor does not cure the brass to face...I am dumping this pistol.
Along with the PPQ, P-30 and just trying to find a nice lightly used older G19 or G17...I might look at the M&P but it seems to have it's share of warts as well. Too bad because it feels really nice in the hands.
-brickboy240
No spring needed as they break in.
C4
brickboy240
10-24-12, 14:32
I also heard (...and this might not be true) that S&W plans on putting the Shield's better trigger in the M&P fullsize 9s....is that true?
Its so new and shiny and untouched! It looks weird after seeing mine for so long. :D
-Jax
Leonidas24
10-24-12, 18:00
I also heard (...and this might not be true) that S&W plans on putting the Shield's better trigger in the M&P fullsize 9s....is that true?
No, but Smith has gone in and redone a lot of what people hated about the old style trigger. The take up is much smoother once the striker block is broken in a bit, although I will be going with an Apex USB, the stock striker block on mine no longer has that gritty, creepy feeling.
The break is a lot more positive too, with very little over travel. The hated "false reset" is also gone as well. The reset is audible, and tactile, as the OP stated. I wouldn't say it is as nice as some of the other guns on the market, and some will still want the DCAEK from Apex, but overall S&W has come a long way.
Hogsgunwild
10-24-12, 20:02
Hey Newyork, give that pistol a few range sessions before you judge it's 25 yard accuracy. If I have not shot my M&Ps for awhile, it really takes me some righteous time to get acclimated to them again. Up to three range sessions for my little 9MM compact (unlike my H&Ks, PPQs or S&W revolvers).
I also tend to shoot better groups freehand than using a bench but I probably need to be shown proper bench rest technique as whatever I do off of the bench is usually somewhat inconsistent.
Nice sights, by the way.
Congrats on your purchase. Looks like a great setup.
What made you decide on the M&P?
BTW, I live in NJ and feel your frustration. Even living in NJ, S&W ships these pistols w/ 10 round mags, while S&W makes 15rnd'ers for NJ and doesn't ship them w/ the pistols to NJ.
Totally of topic, I dig your AR's. Nice AWB setups.
I picked up an M&P 9FS a month ago. March manufacture date. I have 500 rds through it so far with no extractor issues. AE 124gr loads all eject just fine.
Haven't done any 25m accuracy testing so I can't speak to that.
I don't think its enough of an improvement to replace my Glock 17 or 34.
Thanks guys. Chose the M&P because I like the idea and characteristics of striker fired guns. I never warmed up to the Glock, even after owning several. The HKs are much more "natural" for me. I normally shoot the HK45. I thought I'd see how a striker fired gun other than Glock was. The M&P seems to have a large fan base and is inexpensive with a lot of parts and accessories readily available.
So far the gun feels amazing, it's just getting myself to shoot it well that has to happen. 9mm is much cheaper than 45 as a bonus, although I did consider the MP45
I also heard (...and this might not be true) that S&W plans on putting the Shield's better trigger in the M&P fullsize 9s....is that true?
Yes (basically). We have them in stock with the new trigger bar, sear and slide catch.
C4
Congrats on your purchase. Looks like a great setup.
What made you decide on the M&P?
BTW, I live in NJ and feel your frustration. Even living in NJ, S&W ships these pistols w/ 10 round mags, while S&W makes 15rnd'ers for NJ and doesn't ship them w/ the pistols to NJ.
Totally of topic, I dig your AR's. Nice AWB setups.
If you order a pistol from us, we will change out the mags for 15rders for you. ;)
C4
brickboy240
10-25-12, 10:58
Wow...sounds like S&W is doing more to remedy their polymer pistol's warts than is Glock.
That is good to know because if I cannot resolve my issues with my G19, I have to find a reasonable alternative. The PPQ looks good, but it is still pretty new, mags are high and the aftermarket for it is small. The P-30 looks good as well, but it is very pricey, so are mags and I really do not want to spend 950 dollars on a plastic 9mm. The XD and FNX are out of the question as is the Caracal...so that leaves the M&P (...or searching for an older Glock 9mm).
The few run-ins I have had in the past with S&W's customer service were really positive and the majority of S&W guns I have owned have been relatively trouble free.
Besides...there is a V-Tac M&P9 at my local gun shop that I have fondled a few times and I admit it is really sexy and I'd love to have one. I love the looks of that thing! LOL
Good to know that the M&P is a viable alternative in the 9mm striker pistol realm.
-brickboy240
On top of the 800 rds of PMC I have left, I just ordered 1000 rds of Federal CCi 124 grain ammo and 100 rds of Federal HST 147gr to test.
brickboy240
10-25-12, 11:10
Is the full size M&P9 a soft shooter?
I once borrowed a buddy's full size M&P45 and thought it was one of the softest recoiling 45s I had ever shot. Terrible trigger....but man the thing was easy on the hands and totally reliable. Only the full size USP 45 was softer.
-brickboy240
So soft it surprised me. Felt like I was shooting a toy. Smooth recoil too. My trigger has slight grit in the pull but I can already tell it will buff out. Pull weight, break and reset are all very good in my opinion. No issues here.
If you order a pistol from us, we will change out the mags for 15rders for you. ;)
C4
I had ordered a bunch of 15 rounders from you a year or so ago. Even on a "oh shit, I need to get these now" delivery request, you delivered. You guys rock!!!
If I ever decide to buy another M&P, it's being purchased from you.
brickboy240
10-25-12, 14:25
So...
... other than the possible 25yd accuracy problem (which might or might not come up)....is it "safe" to buy an M&P 9 full-sized pistol?
Sure looks like S&W takes care of its problems better than Glock.
-brickboy240
Leonidas24
10-25-12, 16:41
Here's photos from this afternoon. Working on getting the footage put together for a movie review.
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How did it go today Leonidas?
brickboy240
10-25-12, 17:19
Wow...those look really nice.
How do they group at 15-25yds?
-brickboy240
GUNSLINGER733
10-26-12, 00:48
S&W changed the extractor in the pistols to better deal with shallow rims of the Winchester ammo. After a couple hundred rounds of shooting, the spring loosens up a bit and the extraction changes.
C4
Grants not storytelling. I bought 2. One for me an my bro. We were getting hit in the face the 1st time out bad. Lol I've had my m&p 9 for 2 weeks now and shot around 6-700 rounds through it and its ejecting spent casings away from the face now.
Op - at 25yds I have to aim around 3-4" right for my POI to be directly in center with win. White box 115g. It shoots sweet otherwise. Hope you enjoy it.
davebee456
10-26-12, 01:42
I am glad the new m&p's have better stock triggers but what about the accuracy thing?
How about other types of ammo? Some hit POA?
Grants not storytelling. I bought 2. One for me an my bro. We were getting hit in the face the 1st time out bad. Lol I've had my m&p 9 for 2 weeks now and shot around 6-700 rounds through it and its ejecting spent casings away from the face now.
Op - at 25yds I have to aim around 3-4" right for my POI to be directly in center with win. White box 115g. It shoots sweet otherwise. Hope you enjoy it.
those sights look nice i like it a lot
I am glad the new m&p's have better stock triggers but what about the accuracy thing?
Just depends (ammo, shooter, barrel). For me, even if I get a gun that shoots 3-4 inches at 25yds, I am still going to put a fitted barrel in it.
C4
brickboy240
10-26-12, 11:01
Thats great if the M&P 9 FS is grouping 3-4" at 25yds.
I'd probably leave that as is but it is good to know that with a replacement barrel...the accuracy can be gotten out of the pistol.
If my G19 problems do not get sorted out by the Apex 3rd gen extractor...I might go M&P. The 45 that I borrowed was one soft recoiling pistol and it hit where I was aiming.
-brickboy240
GUNSLINGER733
10-26-12, 11:13
How about other types of ammo? Some hit POA?
I havent really shot much other ammo, Ive shot Geko 115g, UMC 115 and WWB. All generally shoot the same. I'm going to order some 124 and 147 Fiocchi and Lawman next week.
I shoot pretty good and I most always hit 3-4" to the left of POA, every once in awhile it will hit POA(dead center).
I changed out the rear S&W sight for a 10-8 and it made a big difference getting on target faster. I'll also be ordering a 10-8 F.O. front next week. I also filed sear and polished to help the trigger pull out.
GUNSLINGER733
10-26-12, 11:15
Grant - If I send you my slide to get a fitted barrel how long will it take.
Thank you. Ill be testing 3 ammo types over the few weeks. PMC 115, FEderal CCI 124 and Fed HST 147
2 weeks for the bbl fitting is what I was told.
I havent really shot much other ammo, Ive shot Geko 115g, UMC 115 and WWB. All generally shoot the same. I'm going to order some 124 and 147 Fiocchi and Lawman next week.
I shoot pretty good and I most always hit 3-4" to the left of POA, every once in awhile it will hit POA(dead center).
I changed out the rear S&W sight for a 10-8 and it made a big difference getting on target faster. I'll also be ordering a 10-8 F.O. front next week. I also filed sear and polished to help the trigger pull out.
Grant - If I send you my slide to get a fitted barrel how long will it take.
Really depends. We have a lot of customes ahead of you, but that doesn't mean that they are all going to follow through.
So if you are interested in it, I would send us an e-mail and when we get to your place in line, you can say yes or no.
C4
GUNSLINGER733
10-26-12, 12:49
10-4 Grant. I'll let you know something soon. I know I'll be doing it before January for IDPA.
Just got it today.
love the M&P!:) Congrats on the 9. The AmeriGlos look nice.
Sorry to say that I'm not able to hit the range today which means I won't be able to for another 2 weeks. Bummed. Sorry I can't give you guys an update til then.
Hopefully Leonidas will be able to.
Rich
Leonidas24
10-27-12, 23:36
Sorry to say that I'm not able to hit the range today which means I won't be able to for another 2 weeks. Bummed. Sorry I can't give you guys an update til then.
Hopefully Leonidas will be able to.
Rich
I've run about 400 rounds of Lawman 115 grain FMJ over the past week and various test fires of various defensive rounds. No failures thus far and the grittiness in the trigger is starting to wear away and becoming quite pleasant to shoot. As I shoot it more though I keep thinking about how much I'd like a Duty kit from Apex. More to come.
first impressions.....:(
25 yard sandbag results...
115 gr 9mm...MP9FS
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i303/BigM-Perazzi/1249mm-2.jpg
compared to .38 special 148 gr HBWC..Model 66-1 PPC
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i303/BigM-Perazzi/2012-04-17_21-11-43_812-1.jpg
Needs some work... the 9 that is...:bad:
Well that sucks. Might have a LNIB with 500 rds fired for sale soon.
Good job S&W...
Cylinder Head
10-29-12, 23:56
first impressions.....:(
25 yard sandbag results...
115 gr 9mm...MP9FS
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i303/BigM-Perazzi/1249mm-2.jpg
compared to .38 special 148 gr HBWC..Model 66-1 PPC
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i303/BigM-Perazzi/2012-04-17_21-11-43_812-1.jpg
Needs some work... the 9 that is...:bad:
Is that a newer manufacture gun with the improved factory barrel?
Well, it doesn't say as much, but, Larry test fired it in August 2012...
I'm inline for a transplant...:blink:
Was able to sneak out 220 rds through her today. Also fired 80 through my HK45. This totals 420 on the M&P and hopefully more in a few days.
No malfs at all yet. Rds to the head slowly turned to rds to the right shoulder. Hopefully it'll keep heading toward the 3 or 4:00 area. The gun and sight and trigger are a pleasure to shoot. I slowly got a little more used to the gun.
Fired about half at 25 and half at various ranges inside 25 yds. I started out about 2" high and 3" left at 25 and brought it in and down. I never really got to where it should be until halfway I was able to put 5 rds into about 3" at 20 yds offhand. It didn't stay like that though and I was shooting inconsistently. Can't tell yet if its me or the gun.
End of session I was able to shoot ok from 15 and in, getting rds where I wanted them to go. To be honest I was shooting the HK45 badly towards the end too. I shouldn't have been swapping anyway.
I am starting to think its me and not the gun as I was able to shoot slightly better at sessions end. We will see. I will report back.
Pic:
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Grant,
I apologize if this was covered earlier but I would be interested to learn more about the I-dot sights. I like the idea of the bright colored insert for daytime and they appear to have a tritium insert for night time, correct?
Fired 349 rds today. 49 Federal 147 gr HST and 300 Fed Independence 124 gr. no failures. No more empties to the body or face. Groups are very tight at 5 and 10 yds when I slow done and focus. Groups at 25 still suck but are getting smaller.
Shot some steel at 5/10/40. 40 was bad. Hit a few.
This gun is getting better and better. With some time I think I can get good with it. I don't think it's the bbl at all, I just suck. That and I'm just getting used to it.
Grant,
I apologize if this was covered earlier but I would be interested to learn more about the I-dot sights. I like the idea of the bright colored insert for daytime and they appear to have a tritium insert for night time, correct?
Correct.
C4
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