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We had an M16 break on us a few weeks ago so I requisitioned a new one and it was delivered last Friday. As I was going over the paper work today to file it away I saw the shipping charges $2720.90. I could not believe what I was seeing. It thought it must be wrong, how could it cost that much, after all it was only going from Indiana to Connecticut. But sure enough as I studied the bill of lading I came to realize that it did indeed cost 2700 bucks to ship it.
At first I laughed at the idea that they would spend that much, but the more I thought about it the more disgusted I became. How in the world could they justify paying that much in shipping a $400 weapon.
The Navy will not allow us to do any work on our weapons above organizational level and so it must to be shipped to Crane Ind. So instead of letting us fix them they would rather spend thousands of dollars in shipping. The more I think about it the more pissed off I get. No wonder we are Trillions in debt.
Oh BTW the broken part that needed replacement was…
An 89 cent extractor spring. I shit you not.
We had an M16 break on us a few weeks ago so I requisitioned a new one and it was delivered last Friday. As I was going over the paper work today to file it away I saw the shipping charges $2720.90. I could not believe what I was seeing. It thought it must be wrong, how could it cost that much, after all it was only going from Indiana to Connecticut. But sure enough as I studied the bill of lading I came to realize that it did indeed cost 2700 bucks to ship it.
At first I laughed at the idea that they would spend that much, but the more I thought about it the more disgusted I became. How in the world could they justify paying that much in shipping a $400 weapon.
The Navy will not allow us to do any work on our weapons above organizational level and so it must to be shipped to Crane Ind. So instead of letting us fix them they would rather spend thousands of dollars in shipping. The more I think about it the more pissed off I get. No wonder we are Trillions in debt.
Oh BTW the broken part that needed replacement was…
An 89 cent extractor spring. I shit you not.
I seriously hope this is your next step. Seriously. :mad:
http://www.dodig.mil/hotline/
Apricotshot
11-14-12, 13:51
Who would know if you fixed it yourself?
eh... sounds about right
Kinda like when I see a contracted cleaning company walk out of the Navy EOD School when there are "injured" soldiers, sailors and marines walking around while out of training
brickboy240
11-14-12, 14:13
If we could cut out this type of waste in our govt., we would not need to raise taxes on one soul....would we?
This is what happens when your govt. is run by ex lawyers, college professors, community activists and others that have never run their own business.
...God help us
-brickboy240
More government oversight is the answer to this!
brickboy240
11-14-12, 14:17
Yeah, but how do you ask people that have never had to balance the company checkbook to keep tabs on nonsense like this?
We need to clear out the incompetents in govt and install those that have been watching the purse strings in the private sector.
That happens and I can guarantee you that this kind of crap would come to a screeching halt.
-brickboy240
Shit.. they could have hired a midget to escort it to the airport, check it on a flight, fly with the weapon, pay hotel accomodations and return travel for less than that.
More government oversight is the answer to this!
The government charges us for that too.
The government charges us for that too.
$3500 per shipment imspection!:D
I seriously hope this is your next step. Seriously. :mad:
http://www.dodig.mil/hotline/
Thanks for the link.
Who would know if you fixed it yourself?
I was not the one who found it and we are not allowed to order parts. But I did tell one of the other guys here if they find something like that let me know and don’t tell anyone else.
brickboy240
11-14-12, 16:33
Man...that kind of shit would just not fly in the private sector....no sir!
Doc. Holiday
11-14-12, 17:37
At that point, I would just do it myself. Eff that...
sure obama will head up a new dept of shipping and have a few thousand folks employed at $80K a year starting and make sure all shipping charges are investigated and they will get to the bottom of these things
now shut up I have much more important things to do
as he heads off you can hear whispering Whats my tee time today and remember I want to take my lady out to the movies in NY when I get back I just love flying for free in Air Force One !
Turn in the bogus shipping charges and get a percentage of the money the Navy gets back
No idea what unit you are in, but don't you have Gunner's Mates? If so, why aren't they allowed to make repairs? If they aren't certified why not talk to the command and get them certified? Explain the latest issue and tell them that it would save thousands of dollars and needless shipping of the weapon.
I know why it costs so much and that's because the last time I remember shipping a weapon it had to go by some type of special courier or something.
However, it is extremely silly that something like an extractor spring isn't able to be replaced at your level. Hell you could replace the entire extractor hundreds of times over and it wouldn't cost that much.
I’m the civilian equivalent of a Gunners Mate here. I just took over the job in September when the GM2 left. Last year I was doing direct support Maintenance at Ft. Sill. It has been explained to me that even a GM is not allowed to do more than organizational maintenance. Two of us here are graduates of the small arms repair school in Aberdeen MD. He was in the Marine Corp and I was in the Army. But Crane insists that any higher level work must be shipped back to them.
The weapons must be shipped with a secured shipper and tracked by satellite and all that crap but somehow they can’t find out what happened to the M240B that was shipped on the first of this month and never made it here.:eek: That one is being sent back for a broken drive spring.
I’m going to push this and see what can be done. The idea that spending money like this as an acceptable way of doing things is revolting.
And remember the $2700 shipping was to have it shipped to me. I still have to ship the broken one back to them.
ICANHITHIMMAN
11-15-12, 06:15
I seriously hope this is your next step. Seriously. :mad:
http://www.dodig.mil/hotline/
THIS MUST BE DONE!
I remember my first trip to serve mart in Norfolk, to this day I cannot understand why a box or 20 black pens (small click type) cost 40$. I am still mad about that. I remember back in 1998 one ship on the waterfront spent all its budget at Walmart instid of server mart and saved the Navy 2 million dollars. If the general public only gave a shit:mad:
OBAMA will fix it
Man, the Navy must be super anal or they don't trust their GMs/armory personnel. I was the armory sup at my previous unit and disassembly of the bolt was unit level maintenance, which included the extractor spring. Had to replace a few for our MK18s and KAC was nice enough to send us a small bag of the springs, o-rings and black inserts.
And why ship the entire rifle? Why not just ship the BCG and get a replacement BCG?
CarlosDJackal
11-15-12, 11:31
As someone who is currently laid off because of "Defense Cuts"; this really pisses me the **** off!!
I would have sent you a replacement extractor set for nothing just to save that money.
Doc. Holiday
11-15-12, 11:39
There are many of us who aren't military and are just as pissed as you are... God bless America...we need all the blessings we can get for this sorry ass country...
An Undocumented Worker
11-15-12, 11:42
I say call your local news station and get them involved. This type of stuff needs to be made public.
When I got to work this morning I thought I must have it wrong, there is no way someone would spend that much money to ship one $400 rifle. I sent an email to Crane questioning whether that was the correct shipping charge or not. They confirmed that it was indeed the amount paid to ship it. I then sent the following email to them.
“Wow. So the Navy spent 2700 bucks to ship a $400 M16 one way because a broken 89 cent part.
We have two of us here that are graduates of the Army small arms repair school in Aberdeen MD. I was working at Ft Sill, Oklahoma, before coming here, doing direct support small arms maintenance for the Army. So if I may ask. Why are we wasting thousands of dollars shipping weapons around for minor repairs?”
We will see what kind of response I get.
Also I just found out that the missing M240 is ready for pick up. I’m going to get it tomorrow. Anyone want to guess how much it cost to ship.
this sorry ass country...
Yeah, I don't know that I'd go that far.
Doc. Holiday
11-15-12, 12:55
Well, I didn't want to say it, but the considering how fast we are going downhill... it's sad.
Two people are graduates of the school in Aberdeen and yet they won't let you guys make simple repairs. That's ****ing mind numbing shit. When I was with the USCG if you were qualified on a weapon and you contacted the servicing armory they would send the part to you and if would be replaced.
Belmont31R
11-15-12, 15:17
This is why I support military spending cuts. They need to learn how to spend the hundreds of billions they get in a more efficient manner.
Seems like when its someone elses money no one cares how wasteful stuff becomes or that in the long run our debt to pay for all this stuff is counter to the mission the military has which is to protect America. Not doing much protecting when they are 'helping' run up our debt by the hundreds of billions of wasted money.
Two people are graduates of the school in Aberdeen and yet they won't let you guys make simple repairs. That's ****ing mind numbing shit. When I was with the USCG if you were qualified on a weapon and you contacted the servicing armory they would send the part to you and if would be replaced.
Exactly. As an armory sup in South FL, I dealt with the District Armory in Canaveral, and this was the case for most of our maintenance.
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