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C-grunt
11-14-12, 13:57
Im wanting to build a clone, or close replica, of my M16A4 SDM-R that I used in the Army. I have most everything figured out except the barrel and rail system.

White Oak has the barrel but I was wondering if anyone knew of another company that makes a similar barrel. Not that I have anything against WOA but multiple options are always good
http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/xcart/product.php?productid=17566

One thing I dont knw though is what rail system that my rifle had. It was a free float system. I have some not so good pictures but I cant tell what they are. Sorry for the dumbass in the pics.

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm229/killerchase2000/Iraq%202003/dfADFD.jpg

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm229/killerchase2000/Iraq%202003/sdasda.jpg

a0cake
11-14-12, 16:03
I think they were DD M4 rails with fluted Douglas barrels with rifle feed-ramps. I also think they had KAC 2 stage triggers. I'm 90% sure the FSB was secured via 4 set-screws also.

How concerned are you with it being an exact replica? I'd honestly look into a pinned FSB, and ditch the KAC trigger for a Geissele. It would have the look and feel of the original rifle with some functional improvements.

C-grunt
11-14-12, 16:14
I think they were DD M4 rails with fluted Douglas barrels with rifle feed-ramps. I also think they had KAC 2 stage triggers. I'm 90% sure the FSB was secured via 4 set-screws also.

How concerned are you with it being an exact replica? I'd honestly look into a pinned FSB, and ditch the KAC trigger for a Geissele. It would have the look and feel of the original rifle with some functional improvements.

Those were exactly the changes I was looking to do. I found that BCM also makes the same kind of barrel for basically the same price.

JBecker 72
11-14-12, 16:21
Noob question regarding these SDM rifles. How much more accurate are they than your typical M16A4, and are they more finicky?

C-grunt
11-14-12, 16:52
Noob question regarding these SDM rifles. How much more accurate are they than your typical M16A4, and are they more finicky?

Mine was a solid sub MOA rifle when shooting M262. But it wasnt that easy to shoot near its limits with the 4x ACOG. Your typical M16A4 is probably about a 2-4 MOA rifle when using standard ammo.

I never had a problem with my rifle. Being that the only real difference was a stainless barrel, free float rail and trigger I dont think you would see much if any loss in reliability. The match barrel does have a differnt chamber so that could possibly make a difference but I dont know.

JBecker 72
11-14-12, 17:11
Thanks for the info. Guess I didn't think they would be that much more accurate using issued ammo. I have found similar 2-4 moa results out of my 16" and 20" rifles using your typical ammo.

A build like this has me interested as I currently have a 20" A4 upper on one of my rifles, but find myself never using it because it doesn't shoot any better than my 16" middies do. I had looked at building a WOA 20" service rifle upper recently, but figure that would also not get used much. I had not given an upper like this much thought until just now.

JBecker 72
11-14-12, 19:01
Oh, and browsing elsewhere on this forum I just found this upper. Not sure how much it interests you, but it looks like a solid choice for a rifle in this category.

http://www.centurionarms.net/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=176

C-grunt
11-14-12, 20:04
Oh, and browsing elsewhere on this forum I just found this upper. Not sure how much it interests you, but it looks like a solid choice for a rifle in this category.

http://www.centurionarms.net/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=176

That's more of a SPR upper. But would be a great precision rifle upper.

DMR
11-14-12, 20:25
This is a write up for the 3 ID SDM-R's:


Weapon System Description.* The USAMU prototyped the Designated Marksman Rifle using the same technology for building National Match M16 competition rifles.* The USAMU Custom Firearms Shop removes the GI-issue chrome-lined barrel and replaces it with a heavy profile stainless steel match-grade barrel with 1-7 or 1-8 rifling twist.* The barrel has twelve flutes machined into the portion of the barrel covered by hand guards or the for-end rail system to reduce weight.* The front sight base is installed using Allen head screws vice drift pins to prevent barrel deformation and to provide windage correction when the iron sight on a standard M16A4 carrying handle is set to mechanical zero. The Modular Weapons System accessory rail is removed and a free-floating rail system is installed.* Free-floating provides consistent shot-to-shot accuracy, as the barrel is not affected by sling tension, firing position changes, or vibration changes from bipod pressure.* The free-float rails allow the Soldier to attach all standard accessories to the rifle, including optical, thermal, and Starlight sights; telescope; Aim point; the AN/PEQ-2 Target Illuminator/Pointer, and the AN/PAQ-4 Infrared pointer.* The standard M203 will NOT mount to the free-float rail (this requires a USSOCOM rail quick-attach M203).* The USAMU provides a modified Harris bipod with quick-detach hardware to fit on the accessory rail.* The standard blank adaptor fits the GI muzzle compensator.

Understood the rails where Knight as whee the triggers, depending on which document I look at. Seems like the barrels were Douglas.

a0cake
11-14-12, 20:31
This is a write up for the 3 ID SDM-R's:



Understood the rails where Knight as whee the triggers, depending on which document I look at. Seems like the barrels were Douglas.

Ehhh...I'm functionally certain, as in 99.99% sure, that the standard rail for these rifles, and the one pictured in the OP, is a Daniel Defense M4 Rail.

saleen
11-15-12, 05:29
Rails were DD M4 12.0

I have built several of these using WOA and Superior Barrels (Douglas blanks profiled by CLE) and have had great results with every one of them. If I had one thing to change, however, it would be to go down to the 1/8 twist since it stabilizes the 77gr just fine.

The only issue I have with the BCM is that it needs to be bead blasted to get a good surface for the paint to stick.


Saleen

DMR
11-15-12, 05:53
Ehhh...I'm functionally certain, as in 99.99% sure, that the standard rail for these rifles, and the one pictured in the OP, is a Daniel Defense M4 Rail.

And I stand corrected.