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Doc Safari
11-15-12, 16:55
Just go to any of the news sites: Drudge, Breitbart--you name it, and you see story after story of things that are happening because of the election results.
Denny's adds a 5% Obamacare surcharge...
Papa Johns is planning to cut hours and/or lay off employees...
Layoffs at Texas Instruments....
The week's jobless numbers were 439,000 instead of the predicted 375,000...
Sounds like people are doing some major reorienting of their plans.
I believe Barry will get around to proposing some gun control measures within the next year or so.
I'm hoping his second term will be like Bill Clinton's: he'll be too embroiled in scandals to really get much done in the way of new gun controls.
On the other hand...with things heating up in the Middle East it makes me wonder if the election changed the plans of other countries too.
I'm not in a panic, but I do plan on a couple of ammo buys within the next three to four months.
It's kind of silly, but with the talk of secession I changed the patch on my tactical cap from the US flag to the Texas flag. (Okay, ranchers get bored this time of year--LOL).
How has the election changed your plans?
Or has it?
I am spending avery dime I can scrape on the five B's. I was getting ready to take out a student loan to complete my graduate school faster (I have been doing one class a semester) but now I don't plan on finishing.
Nope.
Nothing has changed.
We are in the cusp of Global Conflict or Total Collapse of our Gov't.
Been planned for a long time.
Moose-Knuckle
11-15-12, 17:42
It's kind of silly, but with the talk of secession I changed the patch on my tactical cap from the US flag to the Texas flag.
Nice, I always run my subdued Texas flag patch up front and a subdued US flag on the back. I'm looking for a Goliad and a Gonzales flag patch (subdued).
My wife's company has some people that specialize in old school tax code rigmarole and know the loopholes in Obamacare that will work to their client's advantage. They had to diversify otherwise they would be losing money thanks to Barry.
Not really a change of plans so much, but with my business savaged by the economy I plan on using more of my hours training and getting into better shape and being healthy since I won't be making money regardless.
Nope.
Nothing has changed.
We are in the cusp of Global Conflict or Total Collapse of our Gov't.
Been planned for a long time.
I'm basically here. Just accelerated my pace a bit. I've stopped investing for retirement. If I make it to retirement age (my family's heart problems leave that up in the air) I'll probably keep working, and use my retirement money to help my kids out. That money is now being invested in improving my self-reliance. Ammo, tools, medical supplies, and a bio-diesel brewery in my garage are primary orders of business.
It actually has directly changed my future purchase priorities.
The outcome of the election had a direct bearing on which hobbies received priority funding.
When there's an increased risk certain items may no longer be available or legally purchased, that directly impacts planning.
GeorgiaBoy
11-15-12, 19:00
Doom and gloom everywhere.
Sigh.
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Moose-Knuckle
11-15-12, 19:14
Doom and gloom everywhere.
Sigh.
So just how has Barry's re-election benefited you and your's?
Do tale . . .
GeorgiaBoy
11-15-12, 19:24
So just how has Barry's re-election benefited you and your's?
Do tale . . .
Benefit? Little I suppose. Of course, I don't recall benefiting from Bush's reelection. Or Clinton's. Not sure how Romeny's potential election would have benefited me either.
But I'm not hoarding ammo, guns, supplies, building underground shelters, signing secession petitions, and whining on a gun forum because a president got re-elected.
I feel like half the people on this forum live in a constant fear. That there's no hope, that everything will be lost in the next few years. That America will fail. America will become "socialist", or "communist". That guns will be banned and taken away.
I remember back when I felt the same way as you guys, except that was back when Bush was president. I was entirely convinced Bush was behind 9/11, was part of the NWO/Illumanti/whatever, and was going to declare martial law to prevent an election. That the world as we knew it would not exist by now.
Then I came to my senses. And guess what? Nothing happened.
Obama is no different than Clinton. A president that half the country loves, the other half hates, and he'll be gone in 4 years. We survived 50 years staring down the barrel of a nuclear war. We have survived a depression and multiple recessions. We have survived a civil war and two world wars. The world isn't going to end because "Barry" got re-elected...
FChen17213
11-15-12, 20:13
More money is now being spent on mags and guns that we want. Although no new legislation has been proposed just yet, I now put more priority in buying guns and magazines than lights and accessories. Obviously, it is less likely new laws will ban accessories. Not impossible, but just less probable. Also, the types of guns that make it to the top of the "must buy" list start to change. That beautiful Colt Python or hunting shotgun just got bumped down in priority while the black rifles moved up a few spots. I think this only makes sense for most of us.
Also, leisure activities and other spending gets cropped to save up money for necessities. I don't think any of us are optimistic about the economy so lots are putting money in stocks, land, precious metals, bonds, foreign investments etc etc. Scary thing is that if the US economy collapses, fiat money, bonds, stocks, etc can all become worthless overnight. The future looks bleak. What is so alarming is that most of us are convinced that we have reached the point of no return.
Moose-Knuckle
11-15-12, 21:04
Benefit? Little I suppose. Of course, I don't recall benefiting from Bush's reelection. Or Clinton's. Not sure how Romeny's potential election would have benefited me either.
But I'm not hoarding ammo, guns, supplies, building underground shelters, signing secession petitions, and whining on a gun forum because a president got re-elected.
I feel like half the people on this forum live in a constant fear. That there's no hope, that everything will be lost in the next few years. That America will fail. America will become "socialist", or "communist". That guns will be banned and taken away.
I remember back when I felt the same way as you guys, except that was back when Bush was president. I was entirely convinced Bush was behind 9/11, was part of the NWO/Illumanti/whatever, and was going to declare martial law to prevent an election. That the world as we knew it would not exist by now.
Then I came to my senses. And guess what? Nothing happened.
Obama is no different than Clinton. A president that half the country loves, the other half hates, and he'll be gone in 4 years. We survived 50 years staring down the barrel of a nuclear war. We have survived a depression and multiple recessions. We have survived a civil war and two world wars. The world isn't going to end because "Barry" got re-elected...
Oops I meant "tell" not "tale", oh well I'm just another victim of the public school system. :p
The thing is when Clinton and W were in office the nation had the highest credit rating not so on Barry's watch. National debt has grown at a higher rate than any other president as well. People have reason to be alarmed the signs are everywhere.
I remember back when I felt the same way as you guys, except that was back when Bush was president. I was entirely convinced Bush was behind 9/11, was part of the NWO/Illumanti/whatever, and was going to declare martial law to prevent an election. That the world as we knew it would not exist by now.
to even have these thoughts explains a lot ! :)
The only immediate change in plans for me has been to start down the path to begin reloading. I had been putting it off, but I believe it is my best option to insure long term availability of ammunition. Other than that I am just continuing my SHTF preparations with food storage and supplies.
At the very least my family will be poorer because of this election. Things could be much worse than that as the economy continues to spiral downward. Short term major changes will need to come within the next two years before the Democrats lose the Senate. Long term destruction will occur due to Obamacare, tax increases, regulatory changes and SCOTUS appointments.
Yep. Doom and gloom.
Obama is no different than Clinton. A president that half the country loves, the other half hates, and he'll be gone in 4 years. We survived 50 years staring down the barrel of a nuclear war. We have survived a depression and multiple recessions. We have survived a civil war and two world wars. The world isn't going to end because "Barry" got re-elected...
While I understand your sentiment you have to understand , there is a breaking point for all things, our nation included. Is ours soon? Who knows time will tell.
Substantially increased my contribution to the cash balance portion of my retirement plan. Going to try to minimize my taxable income.
GeorgiaBoy
11-15-12, 22:33
to even have these thoughts explains a lot ! :)
What?
GeorgiaBoy
11-15-12, 22:34
Oops I meant "tell" not "tale", oh well I'm just another victim of the public school system. :p
Oh..... :o
Belmont31R
11-15-12, 22:45
None at all. Don't let one man rule your life....;)
Belmont31R
11-15-12, 22:52
I am spending avery dime I can scrape on the five B's. I was getting ready to take out a student loan to complete my graduate school faster (I have been doing one class a semester) but now I don't plan on finishing.
Why's that?
Belmont31R
11-15-12, 23:00
to even have these thoughts explains a lot ! :)
Yeah....:eek:
Why's that?
well, I would have to go in debt to do it, it takes a good bit of my time but would give me a bit more money in my job. I'm not gonna go in debt and bust my ass just to get taxed more. I would rather put the time, energy and money into more preps and look for other ways to earn more money.
I often turn to WWII a lot since the things that happened then that seem insane even by todays standards
I have to wonder what Germany thought when hitler started coming to power and then became a dictator
how many saw that coming ? he was the Hero of Germany early on ?
then I look at what other parts of Europe went through and realize one should be prepared all the time anyway !
WWII America was Attacked the world faced a radical dictator everything came out pretty good for the most part but sadly things are heading south again this time its not a hitler but financial mess and terrorist crap happening etc...
sure we will come out hopefully :) and sadly sure we will go back into it a few generations from now
much like a moth to a flame ! just hope this is not the time we burst into flames and die :)
PA PATRIOT
11-16-12, 00:00
In the last year we completely left the stock market, Pulled the mass majority 87% of are monetary funds out of banking system, greatly enhanced are water collection and purification system, enlarged by 50% produce growing garden, redundant jarring equipment, solar and wind power generation, purchased a second wood burning store.
We are just insulating are selfs from the financial markets and improving the ability to live a more self sustaining life style.
Is it because of Obama?
Maybe just a bit but the world in general was been off its rocker and a correction has to be coming. While I'M sure it will kick me square in the balls just as hard as everyone else I hope with a little pre-planing that I can lessen the blow to my family some what and continue to put food on the table and keep the house warm until things work them selfs out.
to even have these thoughts explains a lot ! :)
Yeah, that some people are capable of believing incredibly stupid things, but can come around and start being rational and amenable to evidence. They can go from believing nonsense on no evidence at all to being skeptical thinkers who are conscious that certainty of conviction should scale proportionally with the weight of evidence and probability, irrespective of personal desires, emotions, and ideology.
That a person making a transition from the former to the latter draws your criticism is remarkable to me.
I already got out of debt and putting off buying a house due to the future of my job at a health insurance company. Still contributing to my 401k due to my employer match. Bought some mags and an upper for my empty lower.
well, I would have to go in debt to do it, it takes a good bit of my time but would give me a bit more money in my job. I'm not gonna go in debt and bust my ass just to get taxed more. I would rather put the time, energy and money into more preps and look for other ways to earn more money.
I understand this comment. Unfortunatly, this is one of the classic results of a socialist society. A socialist society tends to kill the incentive to excel. The better you do the more you're penalized while the deadbeats are elevated.
Oh yeah...
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Don Robison
11-16-12, 14:12
Don't let one man rule your life....;)
This^^^^
Now that I'm mostly retired (only teaching classes on weekends) and the wife lost her job we decided to finish those degrees we put on hold when I was deployed constantly and she was working and taking care of the kids and trying to go to school.
In the last year we completely left the stock market, Pulled the mass majority 87% of are monetary funds out of banking system, greatly enhanced are water collection and purification system, enlarged by 50% produce growing garden, redundant jarring equipment, solar and wind power generation, purchased a second wood burning store.
We are just insulating are selfs from the financial markets and improving the ability to live a more self sustaining life style.
Is it because of Obama?
Maybe just a bit but the world in general was been off its rocker and a correction has to be coming. While I'M sure it will kick me square in the balls just as hard as everyone else I hope with a little pre-planing that I can lessen the blow to my family some what and continue to put food on the table and keep the house warm until things work them selfs out.
It really wouldn't matter who's at the wheel of this runaway train.
TacticalSledgehammer
11-16-12, 17:39
I've become more hateful. I'm not a racist but cannot help to think that most minorities voted for Obama (afterseeing the numbers). Most wanted to see a president of color remain in office, others for immigration. That thinking in turn leads me to openly blame them for what happens. I also blame hippies, which are so pro EPA that I'm on the verge of being laid off. I haul coal for the RR that usually goes to power plants. I hate the people that voted for his "rock-star" status. Who gives a f*ck what rapper thinks about a candidate? And then you have the lazy bums (like some of my family) that voted for him.
So yeah there's hate. If everything magically gets better, I'm sure it will go away. Until then I reckon I'll count my blessings, maybe hoard a little ammo, and watch the show.
Benefit? Little I suppose. Of course, I don't recall benefiting from Bush's reelection. Or Clinton's. Not sure how Romeny's potential election would have benefited me either.
But I'm not hoarding ammo, guns, supplies, building underground shelters, signing secession petitions, and whining on a gun forum because a president got re-elected.
I feel like half the people on this forum live in a constant fear. That there's no hope, that everything will be lost in the next few years. That America will fail. America will become "socialist", or "communist". That guns will be banned and taken away.
I remember back when I felt the same way as you guys, except that was back when Bush was president. I was entirely convinced Bush was behind 9/11, was part of the NWO/Illumanti/whatever, and was going to declare martial law to prevent an election. That the world as we knew it would not exist by now.
Then I came to my senses. And guess what? Nothing happened.
Obama is no different than Clinton. A president that half the country loves, the other half hates, and he'll be gone in 4 years. We survived 50 years staring down the barrel of a nuclear war. We have survived a depression and multiple recessions. We have survived a civil war and two world wars. The world isn't going to end because "Barry" got re-elected...
Well I don't know what your situation is, but people in the real world have had their health insurance double in the past two years.
Also, everyone's income taxes go up 4% next year.
Companies have been paying out smaller bonuses to their employees over the past four years with less raises.
The cost of gas has doubled over the past 4 years. I guess you get gas for free to fill up your vehicle.
I can't say I saw any price gouging on ammo or weapons when Bush was in Office well not in my part of the woods .
How has the election changed your plans?
Or has it?
Not really no. Started with two useless candidates, ended up with one useless pres. Remains SNAFU
My goals/plans remain the same and wouldn't have changed much regardless of the election.
Well I don't know what your situation is, but people in the real world have had their health insurance double in the past two years.
Also, everyone's income taxes go up 4% next year.
Companies have been paying out smaller bonuses to their employees over the past four years with less raises.
The cost of gas has doubled over the past 4 years. I guess you get gas for free to fill up your vehicle.
Huh, my insurance has gone up about 5% and we have more stuff covered now than 5 years ago.
Bonus pay and raises were better at my company the last two years than since 2001.
Gas was almost $4 a gallon in june of 2008. I just filled up for $3.11.
That doesn't mean I like obama and sure didn't vote for him. But making stuff up doesn't do our side any good.
Benefit? Little I suppose. Of course, I don't recall benefiting from Bush's reelection. Or Clinton's. Not sure how Romeny's potential election would have benefited me either.
But I'm not hoarding ammo, guns, supplies, building underground shelters, signing secession petitions, and whining on a gun forum because a president got re-elected.
I feel like half the people on this forum live in a constant fear. That there's no hope, that everything will be lost in the next few years. That America will fail. America will become "socialist", or "communist". That guns will be banned and taken away.
I remember back when I felt the same way as you guys, except that was back when Bush was president. I was entirely convinced Bush was behind 9/11, was part of the NWO/Illumanti/whatever, and was going to declare martial law to prevent an election. That the world as we knew it would not exist by now.
Then I came to my senses. And guess what? Nothing happened.
Obama is no different than Clinton. A president that half the country loves, the other half hates, and he'll be gone in 4 years. We survived 50 years staring down the barrel of a nuclear war. We have survived a depression and multiple recessions. We have survived a civil war and two world wars. The world isn't going to end because "Barry" got re-elected...
His level of following is different, and worrisome to me. People loved Clinton, but he was still criticized in the mainstream without viscous and widespread backlash. This is not really happening with this admin. I do not believe that we are headed for a Hugo Chavez situation in 2016, but this is a cult of personality like I have never seen in my lifetime and the majority of the country is enamoured by them [the first family].
I am trading playtime for work time while I still have some salad days in my industry. I am focusing less on investments and more on earning.
TacMedic556
11-16-12, 23:28
2 is one, one is none.
Buy more of everything I think I may need or could be legislated away.
Invest in solid commodities.
Still busting my ass as usual.
Dem EBT cards don't pay for themselves mawfaukee!
Huh, my insurance has gone up about 5% and we have more stuff covered now than 5 years ago.
Bonus pay and raises were better at my company the last two years than since 2001.
Gas was almost $4 a gallon in june of 2008. I just filled up for $3.11.
That doesn't mean I like obama and sure didn't vote for him. But making stuff up doesn't do our side any good.
My insurance has went up about 50% and I have less coverage. In fact, my insurance found a loop hole and did not cover some stuff they said they would.
It really depends on what industry you are in and how well your HR department negotiates for their insurance. I have seen 20% increases for each year since 2008.
I don't have a bonus structure with my company. I have not taken a bonus in over ten years, and other than Christmas gifts (sometimes substantial) we don't give out bonuses.
Grizzly selectively picked a month in 2008. By November 2008 fuel was below $2.00 in most parts of the country. In Alaska, it was $2.89. We now pay over $4.00 a gallon. It hasn't dropped below the Nov 2008 level since Obama was elected.
It really depends on what industry you are in and how well your HR department negotiates for their insurance. I have seen 20% increases for each year since 2008.
I don't have a bonus structure with my company. I have not taken a bonus in over ten years, and other than Christmas gifts (sometimes substantial) we don't give out bonuses.
Grizzly selectively picked a month in 2008. By November 2008 fuel was below $2.00 in most parts of the country. In Alaska, it was $2.89. We now pay over $4.00 a gallon. It hasn't dropped below the Nov 2008 level since Obama was elected.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a obama fan. He is in my estimation the worst president the US has ever had to endure. I think i'm sick of all the hyperbole and picking random stats to make things seem like the 1930s depression was better than we have now. It struck me that the main difference between the rhetoric (on both sides) since 2008 and high school pep rallies are that every 4 years high schoolers grow up and move on.
There are plenty of hard indisputable facts that make obama look terrible. We should stick to those. Picking things like doubled gas prices (when it is easy to counter if you pick the right month) and terrible insurance only resonate with the folks that already agree with us. And are softballs for the other side to swat down to help win the undecided voters.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a obama fan. He is in my estimation the worst president the US has ever had to endure. I think i'm sick of all the hyperbole and picking random stats to make things seem like the 1930s depression was better than we have now. It struck me that the main difference between the rhetoric (on both sides) since 2008 and high school pep rallies are that every 4 years high schoolers grow up and move on.
There are plenty of hard indisputable facts that make obama look terrible. We should stick to those. Picking things like doubled gas prices (when it is easy to counter if you pick the right month) and terrible insurance only resonate with the folks that already agree with us. And are softballs for the other side to swat down to help win the undecided voters.
Most people that have insurance, which has substantially increased, have it through their work.
I work for a fortune 200 company. We do not have crappy insurance.
Nope. Still dealing with jellyfish on a daily basis, which can be entertaining and frustrating at the same time.
Spending time with the wife and puppy on my off days. I've decided Im just going to enjoy what I have and not worry too much.
People are ****ing stupid (i believe that 100%). Let them think they really want whats coming. Just prepare to sit back and laugh when they really get whats coming their way. Morons.
I upgraded to a SxS bird gun, you know so it wont be taken from me by the gubbment...
All they had to do to get the health care system started in the right direction would have taken two steps..
1) allow us to bid insurance across state lines.
2) allow us to form groups to purchase insurance any way we want to.
I'm part of the True Value Hardware co-op. We have thousands of stores owned by independent owners. It would sure be nice to allow us to form into one big group and shop for the insurance we want. Right now, that's not legal.
No personal change of plans, per say, but I did see this earlier today:
Investment Falls Off a Cliff - U.S. Companies Cut Spending Plans Amid Fiscal and Economic Uncertainty
By SUDEEP REDDY and SCOTT THURM, WSJ
"U.S. companies are scaling back investment plans at the fastest pace since the recession, signaling more trouble for the economic recovery.
Half of the nation's 40 biggest publicly traded corporate spenders have announced plans to curtail capital expenditures this year or next, according to a review by The Wall Street Journal of securities filings and conference calls."
No personal change of plans, per say, but I did see this earlier today:
Investment Falls Off a Cliff - U.S. Companies Cut Spending Plans Amid Fiscal and Economic Uncertainty
By SUDEEP REDDY and SCOTT THURM, WSJ
"U.S. companies are scaling back investment plans at the fastest pace since the recession, signaling more trouble for the economic recovery.
Half of the nation's 40 biggest publicly traded corporate spenders have announced plans to curtail capital expenditures this year or next, according to a review by The Wall Street Journal of securities filings and conference calls."
Those "Evil rich guys" are now handling their finances accordingly. Let the obama lovers reap what they've sewn. I hope that gay marriage, immigration, & having an "African American" president in the White House is worth it to those who voted this jackass back in.
Deleted. **** it.
Exactly
While bad, obviously, we are making lemonade:
Our insurance coverage fell while prices went up, so we are switching to an off-the-grid Christian system called Samaritan. It is one of three grandfathered under O-care.
Next, I started writing my first fiction, which has been thoroughly enjoyable and will be beneficial to my family if no one buys it.
Next, I quit coffee: the last legal and socially acceptable drug. Nearly a month later, I'm very happy with the calming effect--no more rollercoaster--and actually much more alert in the morning.
Next, continue to support my wife's recent conversion to non-processed foods for the family. I've heard 100 years ago Americans paid 4x as much for food than medical, and today that's reversed. I have 3 young kids and thankfully no more than a sniffle in the 3 years we've started on raw foods!
Next, it has made me re-think my semi 308 strategy: if bad laws get passed, it may be tough to get parts for an FN or Colt 901.
And so on. Via Churchill:
"Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never -- in nothing, great or small, large or petty -- never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."
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