Just bought an M&P9L C.O.R.E. ........ [Archive]

Airborne Infantryman

12-01-12, 17:36

Local shop just got two today. Its the M&P9L C.O.R.E.

I'll answer any questions you may have when I get home with it tonight. I got a Trijicon RMR to install as well..

Purchased from Superior Pawn and Gun in VA Beach, VA. They now have one left.

Fire away.

Until then, crappy cell pics-

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86 slo-vo

12-01-12, 18:32

Want.

Been looking for a 9L for a while now.

dukduk

12-01-12, 18:33

what's the trigger like?

silviacrazed

12-01-12, 18:40

Sweet gun. It's on my to buy list. Make sure to put up a review of it. Let's see some groups too, I know the 9fs was plagued with accuracy issues.

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Airborne Infantryman

12-01-12, 19:06

what's the trigger like?

Trigger is the same as the M&P 40 Pro I used to have. I'd say its right at 4 1/2 or 5 pounds. Reset is ok, but not very much like the Shield 9 I have.

Overall fit, finish, and quality is great though.

Sweet gun. It's on my to buy list. Make sure to put up a review of it. Let's see some groups too, I know the 9fs was plagued with accuracy issues.

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Will do.

I'll also add, that the new backstraps are very nice. They're more of a "rubbery" material than the polymer that comprise the standard M&P backstraps.

silviacrazed

12-01-12, 19:16

Trigger is the same as the M&P 40 Pro I used to have. I'd say its right at 4 1/2 or 5 pounds. Reset is ok, but not very much like the Shield 9 I have.

Overall fit, finish, and quality is great though.

Will do.

I'll also add, that the new backstraps are very nice. They're more of a "rubbery" material than the polymer that comprise the standard M&P backstraps.

That's good to hear. I have a couple of M&Ps already. The new backstrap material sounds like a definite plus.

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brushy bill

12-01-12, 21:08

Proof is accuracy...hopefully not as hit or miss as reported here.

C4IGrant

12-01-12, 21:24

Cool! Glad to see them get them out so soon.

Hopefully this means that I will receive my order shortly.

C4

86 slo-vo

12-01-12, 21:31

Cool! Glad to see them get them out so soon.

Hopefully this means that I will receive my order shortly.

C4

What will you be selling them for?

S391

12-01-12, 23:36

Any chance you could post a pic showing the top of the slide so we can see where the optic would mount?

Thanks.

espnazi

12-02-12, 00:37

kenndapp

12-02-12, 00:50

wondering about the barrel design and accuracy. i hear they were switching to a 1/10 rate of twist for the c.o.r.e? cant wait for a range report.

TriviaMonster

12-02-12, 02:23

Now if they would only make a Shield C.O.R.E.

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ralph

12-02-12, 08:30

I'd be interested, but only if the accuracy issues are solved..That's really the only thing I did'nt like about the FS M&P I had.

Airborne Infantryman

12-02-12, 11:11

Update on this- this morning I broke it down and gave it an initial cleaning. All is well so far, and I'm hoping to take it to the range soon.

The way the red dot's mount are pretty cool.

Under the slide cover plate, there are two bosses milled into the slide to interface with each adapter.

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Here is the RMR mounting plate on the slide-

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Some mounting plates use screws in addition to the bosses to secure the plate to the slide. You'd then screw the red dot down onto the plate. Truth be told, the most secure red dot to mount seems to be the Trijicon RMR, beings your screwing the RMR directly into the slide of the M&P, just like with a custom install. All the mounting plate for the RMR does, is provide the two bosses up front to interface with the bottom of the RMR.

Honestly, I think this is really cool. Its a great way to getting more people into the world of red dot pistols. However, I think it'll also bring ATEi, Mark Housel, and OST more business as well, beings people who get into this will want more of a custom job, such as what Mark Housel did on my Glock 19 and Glock 21 Gen 4.

I'll post some more impressions when I get the time. Right now, I'm extremely busy, as I just moved from TN to VA, so its kinda hectic around here. = )

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C4IGrant

12-02-12, 13:22

What will you be selling them for?

No idea. Will have to wait and see what I actually pay for them. Typically though, we have best prices on S&W products that you will find.

C4

C4IGrant

12-02-12, 13:26

$669 seems a bit steep, but I guess with them just being released that will be the norm for a little while. They should be in the low $600s, although i'm really hoping someone will sell them in the $500s.

Doubtful. If you take a standard M&P ($450 on the net) and then pay to have it milled to accept just ONE type of optic, the cost is $150 (not counting shipping both ways). You then would need to buy taller sights. Cheapest you are going to be able to get these for is around $60.

To be able to mount SEVERAL different optics AND have the proper sights already installed, $660 seems like a fair price to me.

C4

C4IGrant

12-02-12, 13:27

wondering about the barrel design and accuracy. i hear they were switching to a 1/10 rate of twist for the c.o.r.e? cant wait for a range report.

Twist rate matters so little in the accuracy of a pistol. So I wouldn't put to much emphasis on this.

C4

SkyLine1

12-02-12, 14:25

When you have them Grant I want one. I'd also love for you to shoot mine and confirm accuracy and if not up to par do your barrel fitting. If that is at all possible.

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espnazi

12-02-12, 14:36

Doubtful. If you take a standard M&P ($450 on the net) and then pay to have it milled to accept just ONE type of optic, the cost is $150 (not counting shipping both ways). You then would need to buy taller sights. Cheapest you are going to be able to get these for is around $60.

To be able to mount SEVERAL different optics AND have the proper sights already installed, $660 seems like a fair price to me.

C4

Not saying the price isn't fair, but I'm kinda basing it on the MSRP of the gun and that of a regular 5" pro and 9L.

M&P 9 Pro MSRP: $669, and they sell for $540 online.
M&P9L Core MSRP: $729, so $600 shouldn't really be far fetched IMO.

I will get one regardless, but I wonder if they will incorporate a model with a threaded barrel, then I'd gladly pay even current MSRP.

C4IGrant

12-02-12, 14:51

Not saying the price isn't fair, but I'm kinda basing it on the MSRP of the gun and that of a regular 5" pro and 9L.

M&P 9 Pro MSRP: $669, and they sell for $540 online.
M&P9L Core MSRP: $729, so $600 shouldn't really be far fetched IMO.

I will get one regardless, but I wonder if they will incorporate a model with a threaded barrel, then I'd gladly pay even current MSRP.

Oh, I think the CORE will sell in the $600 dollar range for certain.

From what I know, S&W is not a big fan of making the threaded barrel, so I bet they never do it. You can buy a drop in SL barrel though if you have to have it.

C4

FromMyColdDeadHand

12-02-12, 14:54

Sweet. How does the trigger compare to the FSS trigger?

Grant, any chance of a model With a safety?

C4IGrant

12-02-12, 15:21

Sweet. How does the trigger compare to the FSS trigger?

Grant, any chance of a model With a safety?

No standard trigger (even with a PC sear) will compare to the FSS (simply no way).

From what I know, all frames now have the cut outs to accept the TS. The SHB is also the one that accepts the TS. So all you would need to do is remove the frame plugs and install the TS plunger, plunger spring and TS into the SHB.

C4

goteron

12-02-12, 15:40

Thanks for the review! I am very happy to see S&W doing this. It looks like a great execution. Hopefully some LE agencies will get on board now that there is a factory supported option.

I am also glad to see they are fixing things like the barrel, trigger, and SHB.

I have been and continue to be impressed by S&W.

brushy bill

12-02-12, 21:45

I am also glad to see they are fixing things like the barrel, trigger, and SHB..

Was the barrel really fixed? Interested to find reports on accuracy on these C.O.R.E.s

kenndapp

12-03-12, 11:49

Was the barrel really fixed? Interested to find reports on accuracy on these C.O.R.E.s

same here. would love to see 25 or even a 50 yard group out of the new m&p9. preferably multiple groups with assorted bullet weights.

S391

12-03-12, 15:13

Thank you!

TAZ

12-03-12, 16:58

Cool. Glad to see these trickling out. One is on my to buy list soon here. Have to ask though. WTF is the note on your spent cartridge case stating the 5 RH for rifling characteristic. Thought they were going to 1/10. Can you snap a couple of pics looking through the RMR. Would like to see just how tall it sits and if the BUIS are usable. Also how far does the RMR overhang the width on the slide? Have you tried any holsters to see of they fit?

Sorry for all the questions.

drummerdude1188

12-03-12, 22:13

PaiMei

12-04-12, 09:40

If Im looking at this right, you will no longer need to drift out the rear sight to access the striker block? Looks like its accessible under the RDS now?

loupav

12-04-12, 10:14

That is a day sexy gun! Congrats!

I hope to see some range reports soon!

Airborne Infantryman

12-04-12, 12:27

I too would like to know if the BUIS are usable with the RMR.

Thanks

They are usable with the RMR. Its almost an absolute co-witness, as my RMR has been laser boresighted for 10 yards, and the dot sits on top of the front sight.

JHC

12-04-12, 12:33

If Im looking at this right, you will no longer need to drift out the rear sight to access the striker block? Looks like its accessible under the RDS now?

That is interesting to me. Get the barrels/lockup accuracy good enough and consistent, eliminate sear bounce in recoil (dead trigger), improve the stock trigger just a bit, and eliminate that curious condition you mention above - was my fix it list to consider a second look at an M&P (already owned one for 2400 rds). Seems like they've been working down that list heavily this past 18 mos or so.

Airborne Infantryman

12-04-12, 12:36

If Im looking at this right, you will no longer need to drift out the rear sight to access the striker block? Looks like its accessible under the RDS now?

It is now accessible under the RDS. Looks like you'd need a small jewelers screwdriver, but its definitely accessible.

wl518

12-04-12, 15:04

I eagerly await the 25 yd range report. :big_boss:

drummerdude1188

12-05-12, 21:08

So I ordered a 5" as well, I should have it by tomorrow or monday depending on when it gets in to the shop. If anybody is interested I will make range report video with focus on accuracy at various distances with the new CORE and my '07 full size. Im not the greatest shooter in the world, but I feel that im fairly decent. At least it will give a baseline between the two guns. I can probably have it done by next week. Let me know if you guys have any requests for the distances and ammo used in the test. So far i plan on using American Eagle 124gr, gold dots 124gr, remington 115gr Winchester nato 124gr, and maybe some reloads.

SkyLine1

12-05-12, 21:44

147gr. ranger bonded would be nice if possible, if not any 147gr would be helpful.

25+ yards would also be great info if possible.

drummerdude1188

12-05-12, 22:52

147gr. ranger bonded would be nice if possible, if not any 147gr would be helpful.

25+ yards would also be great info if possible.

I dont have any ranger, not sure about 147gr in general, I will for sure shoot at 25 yards.

BruceLeroy

12-05-12, 23:15

That is one sexy gun u got there.

JHC

12-06-12, 08:41

I dont have any ranger, not sure about 147gr in general, I will for sure shoot at 25 yards.

That would be VERY interesting. Thanks much.

Doc. Holiday

12-06-12, 09:22

Was the barrel really fixed? Interested to find reports on accuracy on these C.O.R.E.s

S&W started to fix the barrel issues earlier this year. I've got the 9mm and the 45. The 45 was made in May of 2012 and I have had ZERO issues with my accuracy. The 9mm was made in October this year and it's been great. My best friend bought the 9c and a 40 that were both made this year and they've been outstanding. One of my aquaintences bought a M&P 9mm a year and a half ago and had to swap the barrel out.

ralph

12-06-12, 10:10

S&W started to fix the barrel issues earlier this year. I've got the 9mm and the 45. The 45 was made in May of 2012 and I have had ZERO issues with my accuracy. The 9mm was made in October this year and it's been great. My best friend bought the 9c and a 40 that were both made this year and they've been outstanding. One of my aquaintences bought a M&P 9mm a year and a half ago and had to swap the barrel out.

Doc, What kind of groups are you getting at 25yds? I had a FS9 that I sold because of the horrid accuracy at 25yds. My mid size.45 (bought in '08) has always been stellar..I'm interested in something like the CORE, because the idea of a RDS on a pistol is very interesting to me, and the CORE address one of the expensive parts of the whole equation, mounting the RDS onto the slide.. But, only if S&W has addressed the known accuracy issues..

Doc. Holiday

12-06-12, 10:23

Doc, What kind of groups are you getting at 25yds? I had a FS9 that I sold because of the horrid accuracy at 25yds. My mid size.45 (bought in '08) has always been stellar..I'm interested in something like the CORE, because the idea of a RDS on a pistol is very interesting to me, and the CORE address one of the expensive parts of the whole equation, mounting the RDS onto the slide.. But, only if S&W has addressed the known accuracy issues..

Yea I hear ya. I haven't shot at a MOA measured target at 25 yards with the 9 yet, I've just been shooting the silhouettes. At the 25 yard marker out of the 17 rounds, maybe 3 are outside the head zone and the rest are nestled in the face. For some, that may not be the best, but for me...ehh...it's a pistol not a sniper rifle. So I'm happy with it.

WillBrink

12-06-12, 10:59

When/if they do it on the standard length 4" slide, it will be on my short list. Will be interested to hear range reports. etc.

bsem

12-06-12, 17:13

When/if they do it on the standard length 4" slide, it will be on my short list. Will be interested to hear range reports. etc.

Me too. I can't wait to hold one. I really like the look of the grip texture but I'd really only by interested in the 4 inch model for my uses.

ericridebike

12-06-12, 17:36

Anyone know if those new back straps are or will be available for purchase?

C4IGrant

12-06-12, 19:12

Anyone know if those new back straps are or will be available for purchase?

They won't be available as a separate item.

C4

kodiakpb

12-06-12, 19:18

Range report?

Airborne Infantryman

12-06-12, 21:03

Range report?

Wasn't able to get to the range last weekend, nor will I be able to get there this weekend either. Moving from one state to another sucks. :suicide2:

ericridebike

12-06-12, 23:06

They won't be available as a separate item.

C4

Thanks for the info.

FromMyColdDeadHand

12-07-12, 08:29

No standard trigger (even with a PC sear) will compare to the FSS (simply no way).

From what I know, all frames now have the cut outs to accept the TS. The SHB is also the one that accepts the TS. So all you would need to do is remove the frame plugs and install the TS plunger, plunger spring and TS into the SHB.

C4

Grant-

Is the TS mod and the FSS install something you could offer on the CORE? It would be nice to get all if it done in your shop, especially if the barrels aren't shooting well and a new barrel needs to be fitted.

C4IGrant

12-07-12, 08:51

Grant-

Is the TS mod and the FSS install something you could offer on the CORE? It would be nice to get all if it done in your shop, especially if the barrels aren't shooting well and a new barrel needs to be fitted.

Yep, sure can.

C4

kodiakpb

12-07-12, 13:22

Wasn't able to get to the range last weekend, nor will I be able to get there this weekend either. Moving from one state to another sucks. :suicide2:

Good luck with the PCS

dougwg

12-11-12, 15:17

Just got 1 of each. 4.25" barrel and 5"

The triggers are .....the worse I have EVER felt on damn near any gun. Hi-points have better triggers.

Getting the safety plunger out is going to be fun, tiny screw that's probably loc-tited in.

Doc. Holiday

12-11-12, 15:38

Why am I not surprised...I'm working on getting a new APEX trigger for my M&P 45, I'm a little worried how it will do in class though. 1500 rounds in 3 days will be the most that gun has gone through in that quick of time.

SkyLine1

12-11-12, 16:33

They offer the CORE in a 4.25"?

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dougwg

12-12-12, 09:31

They offer the CORE in a 4.25"?

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Is that a rhetorical question?

SkyLine1

12-12-12, 11:00

Is that a rhetorical question?

Not at all, I thought they were only available in a 5" configuration.

I currently carry a 9FS and would love not to change out my holsters for the longer version. Wait times for leather ect.

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dougwg

12-12-12, 11:31

Not at all, I thought they were only available in a 5" configuration.

I currently carry a 9FS and would love not to change out my holsters for the longer version. Wait times for leather ect.

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I just said I got one of each......:confused:

4.25"
http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Smith__Wesson_SW_MP9_Pro_Series_CORE_Competition_Optics_Ready_Equipment_9mm_Pistol_1.jpg
5"
http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/MP-CORE-178058_L.jpg

SkyLine1

12-12-12, 11:45

Thanks for the clarification, it was my reading compression failure. I assumed you purchased a CORE 5" and a standard FS model, which I originally understood only the 5" PRO was going to be offered in the CORE set up. My bad information.

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drummerdude1188

12-15-12, 17:17

Just picked up a 5' version today, trigger is better than the stock 9mm FS that ive been handling at work, (smoother, crisper lighter break), reset is ok, again still better than the stock FS 9 guns we have at work. I will do a range report soon. Any one that got one want to trade me their small backstrap for my medium or large? Id like another one of those backstraps for my other gun.

Steve S.

12-15-12, 21:25

dc202

12-16-12, 23:21

silviacrazed

01-08-13, 14:16

Any reports on accuracy on these yet?

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Razorhunter

01-08-13, 15:02

C4IGrant

01-08-13, 15:48

The new 1/10 twist rate really helps with barrier/glass penetration issues and helping the projectile maintain its initial path. The new twist rate is a good thing. What other changes does this new "CORE" M&P have??

All NEW M&P's (9mm/40) have updated sears, slide catch/release with ramp for the trigger bar, new trigger bar an should have a different finish on the slide (Ion Bond).

C4

South

01-08-13, 15:55

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Doc. Holiday

01-08-13, 16:11

All NEW M&P's (9mm/40) have updated sears, slide catch/release with ramp for the trigger bar, new trigger bar an should have a different finish on the slide (Ion Bond).

C4

When you say new, what month/year are you talking about? The new ones for this upcoming year? Ones from August 2012 and on?

C4IGrant

01-08-13, 16:13

When you say new, what month/year are you talking about? The new ones for this upcoming year? Ones from August 2012 and on?

I cannot say for certain as S&W is divided between commercial and LE and guns will hit retailers at different times.

All the 9mm and 40 M&P's we have in stock have all the items I listed.

C4

Doc. Holiday

01-08-13, 16:24

Fair enough. Thanks for the info Grant.

RHR

01-08-13, 18:55

All NEW M&P's (9mm/40) have updated sears, slide catch/release with ramp for the trigger bar, new trigger bar an should have a different finish on the slide (Ion Bond).

C4

Is there a way to tell if a gun has the items you mentioned?

C4IGrant

01-08-13, 19:40

Is there a way to tell if a gun has the items you mentioned?

Take the gun apart. :D

Or buy from a dealer that knows what they have.

C4

MC719

01-08-13, 21:17

All NEW M&P's (9mm/40) have updated sears, slide catch/release with ramp for the trigger bar, new trigger bar an should have a different finish on the slide (Ion Bond).

C4

Grant, is the new slide finish more rust resistant than the old one? Also is there any way to tell if it has the new finish?

M_Rapp

03-18-13, 10:39

Any range reports on those using the C.O.R.E?

Thanks!

jaxman7

03-24-13, 16:51

Here's a range report from a guy who shoots a little bit. ;)

http://m.youtube.com/?client=mv-google&rdm=mk0wine3#/watch?feature=g-high-rec&v=HcR2armhilo

-Jax

M_Rapp

03-25-13, 11:42

Here's a range report from a guy who shoots a little bit. ;)

http://m.youtube.com/?client=mv-google&rdm=mk0wine3#/watch?feature=g-high-rec&v=HcR2armhilo

-Jax
Well... What more can a guy say after that.... But, I think JM could do that with just about any pistol he picked up.... :D

dougwg

03-25-13, 12:24

The future of fighting pistols...

Trijicon has stated publicly that they believe in 5 years, it will be hard to find a serious shooter without an RMR on their pistol. Granted, they are a bit biased, but after shooting with one a lot lately - I agree there is a substantial benefit.

Not too much longer before most major pistol companies offer a factory milled slide option IMHO.

The issue is fit as far as pistols coming factory milled to accept MRDS's

With the CORE, Trijicon has seen a 38 MOA shift because of the sloppy fit of the slide pocket and adapter plates.

"Competition"...sure
"Combat"...no way in hell would I carry a CORE.

M_Rapp

03-25-13, 12:50

The issue is fit as far as pistols coming factory milled to accept MRDS's

With the CORE, Trijicon has seen a 38 MOA shift because of the sloppy fit of the slide pocket and adapter plates.

"Competition"...sure
"Combat"...no way in hell would I carry a CORE.

I'm not challenging you, I just don't understand. Please excuse my ignorance.

What do you mean by 38 MOA? 38" inches at a 100 yds? Or closer?
Is this data from Trijicon?
Similar data from Leupold's Delta sight?
Could not the sloppy fit be corrected cheaper than having a milled slide?

Thanks for your patience...

TAZ

03-25-13, 15:57

The issue is fit as far as pistols coming factory milled to accept MRDS's

With the CORE, Trijicon has seen a 38 MOA shift because of the sloppy fit of the slide pocket and adapter plates.

"Competition"...sure
"Combat"...no way in hell would I carry a CORE.

By 38 MOA shift do you mean a shift in zero upon removal of the optic for a battery replacement or a shift in POI during usage?

If its the latter I'd say the attachment method sux for anything but shits and giggles cause that would mean a possible 9.5" shift in POI at 25 yds. That is well past the different between a hit or miss.