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RAM Engineer
02-22-08, 20:10
Love the rails, guys, but I have three stupid questions:

1. What happened to the Front Sight Pocket version of the RIS II? I remember seeing it on your website, but now all I see are the 7" and 12" continuous versions.

2. Will you be doing more rails in Flat Dark Earth? Any FDE Lite Rails or Omegas floating around?

3. Is the 10" Lite Rail a standard offering? I've seen it on some vendor sites, but not on your website.

Thanks,

Jason

Eric Rice
02-23-08, 19:23
Thanks for the kind words, Jason.

1. The RIS II M4A1 FSP (new name, new design) is returning soon to our lineup. Look for it shortly. It will be the same SOCOM approved color as the other RIS II models.

2. Looking purely at sales figures, the black anodized rails are much more popular. FDE rails don't move nearly as well, which makes it difficult to justify. How many would you like? ;-)

3. The Lite Rail 10.0 isn't a standard item (hence not on the site), but I should have some in stock. If you call John or Jay on Monday they can take care of you.

Voodoochild
03-25-08, 19:22
I have a question about this rail can it be used in conjunction with a FSB? I know on your site you say it is meant to be used with the MK12 low pro gas block. But can you use it in conjunction with a FSB?

M4Guru
03-26-08, 09:48
I think that is the FSP model he was talking about above, it should be like the KAC MRE or DD 12.0 FSP.

Eric Rice
03-26-08, 09:52
Correct. The FSP model has the cut-out for the FSB. Confusing, I know.

The RIS II M4A1 FSP is meant to be used with the standard FSB and CAR gas system.

Stickman
03-27-08, 20:50
I have a question about this rail can it be used in conjunction with a FSB? I know on your site you say it is meant to be used with the MK12 low pro gas block. But can you use it in conjunction with a FSB?


No, but the new one coming back on line will mirror the FSB friendly version of the original. Below are a few pictures of the original version.


This shows the cutout and FSB area from underneath with the bottom panel removed.

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Daniel%20Defense%2C%20Inc./DD-RIS-II-6-Stick.jpg




This one shows the original model with the M203 attached.

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Daniel%20Defense%2C%20Inc./IMG_7226%20Stick.jpg




Last but not least, this one shows the original mounted up on a complete weapon.

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Daniel%20Defense%2C%20Inc./RIS-II-black%20Stick.jpg

Stickman
03-27-08, 20:53
The DD 12.0 FSP may be what you are looking for if you don't want to wait, or don't need the removable bottom rail section.

Here are a few pictures of the DD 12.0FSP in the M4 variety, but they are also available in the Lite rail style, which is what I would get.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Daniel%20Defense%2C%20Inc./DD-12-0-fsp-tan-2.jpg



http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Daniel%20Defense%2C%20Inc./DD-12-0-fsp-tan.jpg

Stickman
03-27-08, 20:55
Eric,

If I'm off base, or misunderstood, let me know and I'll edit my posts.

Eric Rice
03-28-08, 07:00
Not off base at all, Stick. However, I believe we have the new RIS II M4A1 FSP in stock at present. It's not on the website, but a call to John or Jay at 866-554-GUNS, or to you favorite dealer could get one on the way to your door.

:D

Stickman
03-28-08, 13:10
Sounds good, the DD military rail series have really filled out nicely.

VA_Dinger
03-30-08, 11:26
Is the new RIS II M4A1 FSP on the DD website? I could not find it.

This is the DD rail that I'm interesting in buying - in black;

SLGLee's pictures:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/SS06-173.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/SS06-172.jpg

Stickman
03-31-08, 12:53
Is the new RIS II M4A1 FSP on the DD website? I could not find it.

This is the DD rail that I'm interesting in buying - in black;




No, thats the original submittal for the SOPMOD RIS II trials, which is the same one in the above pictures but coated FDE. The newer one should have the same method of attachment between the upper and lower rails as the current RIS II family, which negates the larger fatheaded screw.


Eric- As always let me know if I misunderstood something, either that or call me up and yell at me. :D

VA_Dinger
03-31-08, 19:44
No, thats the original submittal for the SOPMOD RIS II trials, which is the same one in the above pictures but coated FDE. The newer one should have the same method of attachment between the upper and lower rails as the current RIS II family, which negates the larger fatheaded screw.


Eric- As always let me know if I misunderstood something, either that or call me up and yell at me. :D

So the new version has a continuous rail on the bottom? Or does it have cut-outs for the FSB on both like the original submission? From your pictures it looks like it only has the top cut-out.

Spooky130
04-01-08, 08:25
Eric or Stick,

Can we get a picture of the current version of the RIS II M4A1 FSP? I want to put something like this on a 12.5" barrel - right now I think my best bet is a Lite 9.5 FSP model - I will have enough barrel exposed to mount most suppressors then...

Spooky

Eric Rice
04-01-08, 17:11
Here are some pics. If you're wanting a 12.5" barrel, the GL/SSC version of the RIS II was made for that application. However, it's not compatible with the standard FSB. The M4A1 FSP wouldn't be a good choice for the 12.5". The 9.5 FSP Lite Rail would be your best bet.

http://www.danieldefense.com/img/m4a1fsp1.jpg

http://www.danieldefense.com/img/m4a1fsp2.jpg

decodeddiesel
04-17-08, 19:47
Any pics of a 10" lite rail on a 14.5" and/or 16" M4? I am strongly considering one of these on my LMT.

Marler5811
04-19-08, 08:35
Any pics of a 10" lite rail on a 14.5" and/or 16" M4? I am strongly considering one of these on my LMT.

This is the only pic I have. 16" bbl with Lite Rail 10.0

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b281/marler5811/ShotShow010.jpg

decodeddiesel
04-19-08, 11:17
Thanks Joe that looks great!

RAM Engineer
05-10-08, 21:16
Here are some pics.
http://www.danieldefense.com/img/m4a1fsp1.jpg

http://www.danieldefense.com/img/m4a1fsp2.jpg

Is this particular rail available yet? Will the price be similar to the M4A1 RIS II?

Thanks,

Jason

Robb Jensen
05-10-08, 22:23
Here's the 9.5" Mk18 RIS rail on a 12.5" (cutdown 14.5" bbl).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/8a94c285.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/5661383e.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/04b4f97b.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/f8cb4b07.jpg

Eric Rice
05-12-08, 10:05
Is this particular rail available yet? Will the price be similar to the M4A1 RIS II?

Thanks,

Jason

Jason,

The M4A1 FSP is in stock and will be added to the website soon. In the meantime, one may order over the phone. The price is the same as the M4A1.

Stickman
05-12-08, 11:41
Here's the 9.5" Mk18 RIS rail on a 12.5" (cutdown 14.5" bbl).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/8a94c285.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/5661383e.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/04b4f97b.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/f8cb4b07.jpg



Very nicely laid out carbine.

JFPATCH
09-12-08, 22:25
Mr. Rice

I don't see the GL/SSC on your website. Also, is the 9.0 Omega going to be available in FDE? Thanks.

Jim

Marler5811
12-12-08, 14:27
Mr. Rice

I don't see the GL/SSC on your website. Also, is the 9.0 Omega going to be available in FDE? Thanks.

Jim

The RIS II GL/SSC is currently not available.

We now have the RIS II M4A1 FSP available in both black and SOCOM approved Flat Dark Earth. (Pics to follow)

The Omega Rail 9.0s are also available in FDE.

Slu54
12-13-08, 10:52
The RIS II GL/SSC is currently not available.

We now have the RIS II M4A1 FSP available in both black and SOCOM approved Flat Dark Earth. (Pics to follow)

The Omega Rail 9.0s are also available in FDE.

That sounds great. Will the RIS II M4A1 FSP be a regularly stocked/manufactured item?

Marler5811
12-19-08, 09:09
That sounds great. Will the RIS II M4A1 FSP be a regularly stocked/manufactured item?


Absolutely.

attack5
12-19-08, 15:38
Just ordered a M4A1 RIS II FSP in FDE. The .mil discount is very nice.

Thanks DD!

Stickman
12-19-08, 16:02
We now have the RIS II M4A1 FSP available in both black and SOCOM approved Flat Dark Earth. (Pics to follow)






http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Daniel%20Defense%20II/0O2P8861%20A%201028%20WEVO.jpg

decodeddiesel
12-19-08, 17:01
I am really starting to think about one of these for my LMT. It may be worth the hassle of removing the Perm FH and selling the LT 7" to get one of these.

Stick, do you have any intentions of mounting one of these on a weapon any time soon? I would like to see that...

TPT924
12-20-08, 16:55
Here's mine, installed by the great folks at DD!

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3092/pc210034gw6.jpg

SuicideHz
12-21-08, 00:42
is the .750" gas block the one meant for underneath the Mk18 rail?

decodeddiesel
12-21-08, 00:48
Here's mine, installed by the great folks at DD!

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3092/pc210034gw6.jpg

What length barrel is that? 14.5"?

TPT924
12-21-08, 07:20
Yes, it is a 14.5.

I've got a 10.5 inch as well, with the MK18 rail that they installed for me. I think I'm going to run that this tour in the desert as well.

I'd take both, but I'm afraid I won't be able to get more than one back when I return.

lindertw
12-21-08, 07:28
http://tinyurl.com/5p9u79

more pics can be found here (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=20229)

Stickman
12-21-08, 14:08
I am really starting to think about one of these for my LMT. It may be worth the hassle of removing the Perm FH and selling the LT 7" to get one of these.

Stick, do you have any intentions of mounting one of these on a weapon any time soon? I would like to see that...


Sadly, I've got a shortage of barrels, so its going to be a little while until I can build this one up.

If you check out the link over on WEVO, you can see my old RIS II prototype setup, as well as an unofficial history of the DD RIS II rails.



http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5274#post5274

decodeddiesel
12-21-08, 21:49
Sadly, I've got a shortage of barrels, so its going to be a little while until I can build this one up.

If you check out the link over on WEVO, you can see my old RIS II prototype setup, as well as an unofficial history of the DD RIS II rails.



http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5274#post5274

Haven't we all. That stinks, but I guess it's just how thing are right now.

Yeah I have checked out the "evolution" of the RIS II rail a bunch of times on WEVO and it never gets old.

Stickman
12-23-08, 00:06
Thanks, thats a heck of a compliment.

usmc2pd
02-02-09, 19:33
From the looks of it the RIS II FSP would require the removal of the FSB to install; is that correct?

Thanks,

Bill

Jay Cunningham
02-02-09, 19:35
Okay, serious question here:

What is the real difference between the Lite Rail 12.0 FSP and the RIS II? I get that the RIS II is a two-piece and allows free-floating an M203.

SuicideHz
02-02-09, 19:59
RISII is 9.5" long, just a tad longer than a 9.0 (obviously).

Jay Cunningham
02-02-09, 20:02
RISII is 9.5" long, just a tad longer than a 9.0 (obviously).

I am talking about this here thing:

http://tinyurl.com/5p9u79

I'm pretty sure that's 12.0". Am I using the wrong nomenclature?

SuicideHz
02-02-09, 20:10
Yeah, I should have realized you were asking about the M4A1 RISII. I didn't realize "RISII" was part of it's name.

I can tell you the difference between the Lite rails and the RISII is that the RISII has it's rail portion extend rearward over the locking ring. That and the front is very much closed.

You'd have to find out from Eric what the exact differences will be in all new parts that are made and shipped though.

Marler5811
02-03-09, 13:03
Okay, serious question here:

What is the real difference between the Lite Rail 12.0 FSP and the RIS II? I get that the RIS II is a two-piece and allows free-floating an M203.

The ability to mount an M203 is the main difference between the RIS II and the Lite Rail 12.0 FSP. At the request of SOCOM, the lower rail is tucked in tighter and closer to the barrel. Both rail systems utilize the patent pending Bolt-Up System and allow for an continuous upper rail platform when used in conjunction with a flat top upper receiver.

Jay Cunningham
02-03-09, 13:07
The ability to mount an M203 is the main difference between the RIS II and the Lite Rail 12.0 FSP. At the request of SOCOM, the lower rail is tucked in tighter and closer to the barrel. Both rail systems utilize the patent pending Bolt-Up System and allow for an continuous upper rail platform when used in conjunction with a flat top upper receiver.

Thanks much - I was pondering one of these two rails for my LE6920. I don't have an M203 so I suppose the 12.0 FSP Lite should do me just fine.

Marler5811
02-03-09, 13:10
I run the AR15 Lite Rail 12.0 FSP on my Colt. Its a great rail system. I know you would like it.

JLM
04-01-09, 04:22
Who makes the Mk12 Gas Block? Pondering getting the MK18 rail so.

Razorhunter
04-10-09, 21:50
A couple more serious questions guys.

There are literally a TON of us, who are absolutley dying for DD to start producing MORE of the Mk18/RIS II rails in different configurations (lengths most importantly).
Also, BLACK is pretty much what MOST guys, including myself want. That FDE is cool, and I like the fact that DD has done some FDE rails, but until they get them lighter in color (as FN is now doing with the SCAR receivers), most guys will pass on the FDE. Still though, I'm glad that DD has been offering something other than black.
Now for the MAIN interests guys are wanting (including myself!)

SO MANY of us would like to see the Mk18 RIS II rails (and ALL of the RIS II rails) in BLACK finish, and in all the STANDARD LENGTHS that the standard "LITE" rails are available in!
-9" length for guys with midlength gas systems who want to use the std FSB!

-10" or 10.5" or even 11" (not sure which is best, but you guys all know) for guys who want to COVER their FSB/gas block area and use a low pro gas block!

As I said, quite simply put, we are all DYING for the Mk18 AND ALL of the other RIS II rails to be available in BLACK, and in all the STANDARD lengths the LITE rails (and even the Larue/etc rails) are available in !!!
THIS would TOTALLY put DD rails over the TOP IMO, and there would be SO many guys who would order these rails.
The Mk18 and ALL of the RIS II variants just look SO MUCH BETTER than the other rails from DD, and this is exactly why we want them! Nothing wrong with the LITE rails, but the Mk18 and RIS II variants TOTALLY TRUMP the other rails in looks and function. I mean, we love the fact that the rail extends back over the sides of the bbl nut area, which covers the area where one of the bolts is located on the LITE rails, and this looks SO MUCH BETTER on a rail. One of the most important parts of a FF rail, IMHO, is this area, where the rail MEETS the receiver. The Mk18 and RIS II variants just look SO MUCH better in this area. They ALSO look so much better in the overall profile, in that they are not so TALL (height-wise) from a front view/profile.
Also, the removeable bottom rail on some (or all?) RIS II models is outstanding, and that's what most of us want and like.
Finally, if ANYONE at DD is concerned about sales of the Mk18/RIS II rail variants, I mean, I think we all know that sales would DRASTICALLY increase, IF they were just available in BLACK, and in STANDARD LENGTHS such as the LITE rail series is.
Man, how great it would be to have ALL of the Mk18/RIS II variants available to us in this configuration.
IF I ever hit the lottery, and DD has not made this all available yet, I ASSURE you guys I will put in an order of several hundred of each model, in every configuration listed above, in order to make this become a reality.
Now, for the million dollar question: Has DD considered this, and will DD ever offer these rails in the above configurations to us????????????????? :cool::cool:

HisDivineShadow
04-16-09, 03:51
What I would like to see is the M4A1 RIS II on Brownells so I can buy one here overseas, Brownells are the only ones willing to ship to us (because you gotta fill in a DSP-83 form nowadays, for some bloody rails! It's insane!), unfortunately so far they only have the Omega and 7" Lite rails :(

http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=17