"BIG" News from Glock?

[LtNovakUSA]

Rather than de railing another thread, Glock posted on Facebook about big news coming in a few days. Anyone know anything about this?

[philcam]

They are sick of dealing with the bullshit left and are packing their bags and heading home to Austria?

;-)

[NorthDakota]

Glock will release a carbine?! Oh wait, another kitty just died...

[Trajan]

Maybe a single stack G19 to compete with the PPS and Shield?

[LtNovakUSA]

Perhaps the G25 and G28 now that they are producing in the US.

[SpeedRacer]

Judging by their cryptic cover photo, looks like a new contest or something.

[snowdog650]

Judging by their cryptic cover photo, looks like a new contest or something.

Maybe the contest is to see who can get a bloody forehead with the fewest number of rounds?

[Voodoo_Man]

Triple tube semi auto shotgun?

Bullpup 5.7 ?

5.56 hand gun?

Glock revolver that shoots from top right cylinder?

Glock carbine, reverse ak charging handle on left side in .300 blackout?

Glock made rmr right behind the front sight slides?

[willowofwisp]

Glock 30 frame with a Glock 36 slide.

[wl518]

They've discovered how to make the extractors proper again!

[JSGlock34]

Will watch to see if this develops into something interesting, but I won't hold my breath. After years of sucking Glock's exhaust, S&W seems to have stolen a march on Glock for a change. Glock doesn't have products to compete with the M&P CORE, Shield or Rimfire models. An optics ready Glock, a single stack 9mm or a rimfire Glock (a possibility now that they can produce domestically) all seem like logical progressions to me.

[Psalms144.1]

I'm thinking a polymer Tomahawk - a GLOCKahawk!

[FlyingHunter]

Glock will release a carbine?! Oh wait, another kitty just died...

Now that's funny!

[nml]

In stock factory magazines?!?!?!

[markdh720]

Please be a single-stack 9mm! No .380.

[RyanS]

I've been wondering if they would ever get tired of living under the constant threat of a ban and finally design some frames/guns around 8-10 round mags (not the 36). I'm probably wrong, but I think that a single stack .45 (again, not the 36) would be a pretty popular gun.

[Maineshooter]

I was told by a Glock rep. that they would be introducing a medium/full size frame in .45 acp with a single stack magazine. It is supposed to debut at the 2013 shot show. He didn't mention any other calibers.

[Phillygunguy]

They fixed the erratic ejections!:rolleyes:

[FAB45]

Maybe a single stack G19 to compete with the PPS and Shield?

I would love that

[SilverTongueDevil]

If they go with the trend as of late it will have something to do with zombie's...
It will be a sad day when you can get a glock 19 in zombie green...

[alvincullumyork]

Triple tube semi auto shotgun?

Bullpup 5.7 ?

5.56 hand gun?

Glock revolver that shoots from top right cylinder?

Glock carbine, reverse ak charging handle on left side in .300 blackout?

Glock made rmr right behind the front sight slides?

They have finally realized that their polymer is to weak and melts when left on your dash, so they are making a steel framed gun.

And probably a carbine that takes clips. (I hate kittens and by my count that is at least 2 right there)

[Hot Sauce]

They've discovered how to make the extractors proper again!

Seriously. That'd be everyone's first hope, I bet.

[red headed stranger]

Glock 30 frame with a Glock 36 slide.

There have be leaked photos of such a beast with a "30S" model designation.

[glocktogo]

Whatever it is, it won't be something most will actually want or need. Glock doesn't do that sort of thing. :rolleyes:

[theblackknight]

Hopefully they combine every gimmick possible into one gun and divide by zero. Zombie paint, RMR ready, extended release everything, serrations machined on every surface possible, multicam magazine pads to match your wooby vest etc

sent from mah gun,using my sights

[The Virus]

It's an 11mm!
There's goes to 11!!

[shakazulu12]

Glock 30 frame with a Glock 36 slide.

Just about the worst kept secret ever. Dealers have been confirming that one for a while.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/374129_429140740479707_333678047_n.jpg

[glocktogo]

Just about the worst kept secret ever. Dealers have been confirming that one for a while.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/374129_429140740479707_333678047_n.jpg

Seriously? Meh...

[Biggy]

They've discovered how to make the extractors proper again!

No, "Apex Tactical" has already done that. Glock will be introducing an *Obama Special* pistol. It will be the first half white and half black pistol, with the sights mounted on the side of the pistol, so you can shoot it Chicago thug style. Ya know what I'm sayin .

[FlatFender]

If you look at their FB page, their cover image has something to do with "the ultimate online community"

I bet its a Glock social network in one way or another. Maybe to compete with the Taurus 'carry on' thing?

[Plumber237]

If they go with the trend as of late it will have something to do with zombie's...
It will be a sad day when you can get a glock 19 in zombie green...

Please God no...it was bad enough when Eotech and Hornady jumped on the bandwagon for that shit...

[Bulletdog]

A Glock AR? Apparently that would only be good if they had made it prior to '09...

[DocH]

At this point I don't think Glock could do anything that would even make me sit up slightly in my easy chair.

[Nick S]

No, "Apex Tactical" has already done that. Glock will be introducing an *Obama Special* pistol. It will be the first half white and half black pistol, with the sights mounted on the side of the pistol, so you can shoot it Chicago thug style. Ya know what I'm sayin .

What are you saying? Lame.

[naloxone]

At this point I don't think Glock could do anything that would even make me sit up slightly in my easy chair.

Seriously, the G26/27 was the last time they got my attention. Everything since then, I've just turned the page. I suppose I can't fault them for sticking with old reliable when they are selling all the G17's they can make, but I have to think with those resources they could be offering much more.

[djmorris]

No, "Apex Tactical" has already done that. Glock will be introducing an *Obama Special* pistol. It will be the first half white and half black pistol, with the sights mounted on the side of the pistol, so you can shoot it Chicago thug style. Ya know what I'm sayin .


Hahaha.

[M4arc]

As a diehard Glock fan I'm going to tell you NOT to get excited about any big news coming out of their camp. Sorry, I'm bitter...they've broken my heart too many times :o

[naloxone]

As a diehard Glock fan I'm going to tell you NOT to get excited about any big news coming out of their camp. Sorry, I'm bitter...they've broken my heart too many times :o

But what about these *revolutionary* new slide serrations?!

Maybe they go full retard like SIG, throw match sights and beavertails on everything, and offer frames in royal blue and kelly green.

[Phillygunguy]

But what about these *revolutionary* new slide serrations?!

Maybe they go full retard like SIG, throw match sights and beavertails on everything, and offer frames in royal blue and kelly green.

If that happens I'll get rid of my glocks

[WickedWillis]

I'm thinking a polymer Tomahawk - a GLOCKahawk!
This literally won every thread I have seen on M4C. Well done.

[markm]

All you clowns are WRONG! Glock is chambering their pistol in .300 USELESS! :D

[Jaysop]

No, "Apex Tactical" has already done that. Glock will be introducing an *Obama Special* pistol. It will be the first half white and half black pistol, with the sights mounted on the side of the pistol, so you can shoot it Chicago thug style. Ya know what I'm sayin .

Well who would have thought a thread about Glock would go racist?
Not me

[red headed stranger]

But what about these *revolutionary* new slide serrations?!

Maybe they go full retard like SIG, throw match sights and beavertails on everything, and offer frames in royal blue and kelly green.

I would like it if they finally started shipping those Gen4 beavertails. :cool:

Now that US production seems to be spun up, I would LOVE it if Glocks would now come without the finger grooves and that they would all come with the smooth trigger.

[Dave L.]

-Breast Cancer Pink Poly Frame that wont fit in any woman's hand.

-50 page dissertation on how the Gen 4's never had a proven problem titled "It's All In Your Head, Glock Perfection".

- New slogan "Glock Perfectest"

[Magic_Salad0892]

I'm hoping for either .22LR guns, or optics ready guns.

(Or... guns with removed finger grooves from factory.)

[Straight Shooter]

GREAT post by Biggy-
Nothing "racist" about it. Funny as hell, and the truth is a bitch sometime, aint it.

[knoxtriton]

Glock .380! I think FN is coming out with another new project this year as well...

[shakazulu12]

Not my pic, but from their FB puzzle

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19497930/forums/glock_hilite.png

[Dave L.]

Not my pic, but from their FB puzzle


The G-Unit Glock 19 single-stack waistband edition :alcoholic:

[G19 Driver]

Glock G10.

[shakazulu12]

Could be a 16 as well depending on what font they are using.

Hmmm, I'm pretty positive the new 30 is called the "30S" so I'm going with single stack 19 sized pistol called G16 for my final answer.

[Doc. Holiday]

Whatever it is, I hope they fixed their extractors...

[Jaysop]

GREAT post by Biggy-
Nothing "racist" about it. Funny as hell, and the truth is a bitch sometime, aint it.

What's the "truth" about it? That he's black?
Commenting on a mans race and associating that with scum gang bangers because of thier race is racist..

I guess stupidity is contagious "ain't it"?


Back on track, what ever it is I hope it's not a rushed release due to the panic.

[whiterabbit05]

Always gotta stay PC.

[Jaysop]

Not my pic, but from their FB puzzle

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19497930/forums/glock_hilite.png

Looks like a smooth trigger.

[cqbdriver]

My inside source says that it is the Glock 10UCA The Ultra Compact - Alaskan 10mm

It comes with a 2rd mag. Just enough room for your middle finger to grip it. Their studies of bear incidents found that only 3 rds are generally used - you either kill the bear by round 3 or your dead.

It also comes with the new ejection port shroud which forces the brass to eject forward. Eliminating BTF while also scaring the bear with flying shiny things.

[Doc. Holiday]

If a bear was charging me, I wouldn't want a compact. I would want a full size!! I would need all the help I could get as far as accuracy is concerned.

[Straight Shooter]

Hey Jsop-
Ill bet you voluntered for hall monitor everyday in school, didnt you?
When your man enough to MAKE me think the way YOU want me to,
holler. Untill then, I SAYS it AINT racist.
Word to your mutha.

BTW- gun in question is a Glock 7..ceramic, undetectable on xray or metal detectors.

[WickedWillis]

A few things that I could hope for; A New .45ACP with a Glock 30 Frame and a 36 slide. Or a true Single Stack 9mm to compete with the Shield and PPS (phenominal single stack 9's)

[Doc. Holiday]

BTW- gun in question is a Glock 7..ceramic, undetectable on xray or metal detectors.

I had a friend of mine claim that he has shot a ceramic glock several years back. I'm hesitant to believe him.

[Straight Shooter]

You SHOULD not only be hesitant... you SHOULD tell him it never happened. That line came Bruce Willis back in the eighties.
No such weapon then...no such weapon now.

[Cosmo M3]

Glock Online Community...

...nothing to see here folks

[Doc. Holiday]

That's exactly what I told him. I said he's full of it and he has been watching too many Bruce Willis movies, but he still held his ground. We don't talk about it anymore cuz it brings out the devil in me.

[Grip]

Please be a single stack 9mm!

[Straight Shooter]

I know what you mean Doc..sometimes you just gotta say F it.
A knucklehead will always be a knucklehead. Like me and the hall monitor here, who really gives damn what they think?
Not I. But...show himthe clip on Youtub of Willis saying that anyway, then see what he says.

[Jaysop]

Hey Jsop-
Ill bet you voluntered for hall monitor everyday in school, didnt you?
When your man enough to MAKE me think the way YOU want me to,
holler. Untill then, I SAYS it AINT racist.
Word to your mutha.

BTW- gun in question is a Glock 7..ceramic, undetectable on xray or metal detectors.

Are you really trying to call me out on the Internet?
Are you a child or just act like one?

[Straight Shooter]

Are you gonna tell?!:rolleyes:

[ST911]

Come on, guys. Take the junior high stuff to PM?

[CCK]

BTW- gun in question is a Glock 7..ceramic, undetectable on xray or metal detectors.

You forgot that it cost more than you make in a month.

[Big A]

Glock .380! I think FN is coming out with another new project this year as well...
Please God no...



BTW- gun in question is a Glock 7..ceramic, undetectable on xray or metal detectors.

Seriously, if they make a single stack 9 they should call it the Glock 7...

Y'all know it would be awesome...:cool:

[WickedWillis]

Please God no...


Seriously, if they make a single stack 9 they should call it the Glock 7...

Y'all know it would be awesome...:cool:


Glock already has a .380 it is Law Enforcement only.

[el_chingoton13]

Let's see what we have here...

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/el_chingoton13/543184_10151335949186797_1496508688_n_zps79a27008.jpg

"Glock I.D. The ultimate online community. Blah up, Earn rewards, Share your glock blah blah"

[Big A]

Glock already has a .380 it is Law Enforcement only.

I knew they had a couple of .380 models but I thought they were only sold in South America and Europe. I didn't know they were available here to LEO's...

[Grip]

"Share you're glock IQ"

[CoryCop25]

The Glock 25 does not have enough ATF points to make it into this country.

[SWATcop556]

Most things from Glock lately make me :no:

I carry them because I have to.

And for those in the dick measuring contest, as was suggested earlier, take it to PM's.

[SWATcop556]

The Glock 25 does not have enough ATF points to make it into this country.

I couldn't care less about owning a .380 anything but I was thinking with Glocks now being made stateside we might actually start seeing some of these. Same size as a G19 though so it does nothing for me.

[CoryCop25]

I couldn't care less about owning a .380 anything but I was thinking with Glocks now being made stateside we might actually start seeing some of these. Same size as a G19 though so it does nothing for me.

I always thought the same thing. I think the 28 is a 380 in the 26-27 size also. If I have this right, Europe does not allow citizens to have any NATO calibers (so no 9MM) so the 25 and 28 were made for that reason.

[ST911]

I always thought the same thing. I think the 28 is a 380 in the 26-27 size also. If I have this right, Europe does not allow citizens to have any NATO calibers (so no 9MM) so the 25 and 28 were made for that reason.

G25 = .380 G19
G28 = .380 G26

[gun71530]

I always thought the same thing. I think the 28 is a 380 in the 26-27 size also. If I have this right, Europe does not allow citizens to have any NATO calibers (so no 9MM) so the 25 and 28 were made for that reason.

It's mostly countries in South America, if it's considered a "military" caliber, civilians can't have it.

Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2

[Avedis]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/el_chingoton13/543184_10151335949186797_1496508688_n_zps79a27008.jpg

Glock I.D. The ultimate online community. Sign up, Earn rewards, Share your Glock IQ

[Magic_Salad0892]

That's ****ing stupid.

Thanks Glock. You make me want to buy a Walther a little more.

[snowdog650]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/el_chingoton13/543184_10151335949186797_1496508688_n_zps79a27008.jpg

Glock I.D. The ultimate online community. Sign up, Earn rewards, Share your Glock IQ

OMFG.:rolleyes:

Glock thinks it's a good idea for people to share their IQ on anything online?

[weggy]

They're going to make all of the guns out of forged steel from now on.:p

[Littlelebowski]

I was told by a Glock rep. that they would be introducing a medium/full size frame in .45 acp with a single stack magazine. It is supposed to debut at the 2013 shot show. He didn't mention any other calibers.

Since a Practical Tactical .45 ala the G34/35 makes way too much sense.

[RBid]

Given their recent track record for innovation, I'm expecting Gen 7 to feature 3 dot sights.

[brushy bill]

If the "news" is really an online community that allows you to share your Glock "IQ", what are they going to do when it is widely publicized that their recent offerings are inferior?

A nice slime single stack full size or carbine without warts would be nice, but I don't see it happening.

[brushy bill]

Since a Practical Tactical .45 ala the G34/35 makes way too much sense.

Agreed. Won't happen.

[JHC]

I always voted for a 17 and/or 34 sized single or staggered stack 10 mm that would hold 9 or 10 in the mag.

[brushy bill]

I always voted for a 17 and/or 34 sized single or staggered stack 10 mm that would hold 9 or 10 in the mag.

This or a 19 sized single in 9 or 45. But not holding my breath.

[kcara]

Whatever it is, I hope they fixed their extractors.... I agree. It's issue has held their product back.

[AFVeteran19]

I hope it's not just an online community. Ugh...

[Magic_Salad0892]

Since a Practical Tactical .45 ala the G34/35 makes way too much sense.

I don't like .45s, and if I ever bought a .45ACP for myself it'd be an HK45C, but that'd actually be a really good idea.

[Voodoo_Man]

If we are talking fantasy here...

9mm singld stack smaller than 19 but longer slide than 26 with a grip in the middle.

[Bulletdog]

I'm hoping that the big announcement is that they have identified the cause of the problems in recent years, fired the individuals responsible, and will be returning to their former state of quality and reliability.

[Magic_Salad0892]

I'm hoping that the big announcement is that they have identified the cause of the problems in recent years, fired the individuals responsible, and will be returning to their former state of quality and reliability.

It'd be great if they announced that they an HK were merging or something. Lol.

[ScottieG59]

Maybe is is a Glock smart phone to compete with the iPhone and Android devices.

Since most of us just spent a boat load of pre-ban money, whatever it is had better not cost anything.

[MistWolf]

Glock will be introducing their own 1911

[xjustintimex]

If we are talking fantasy here...

9mm singld stack smaller than 19 but longer slide than 26 with a grip in the middle.
+1 I would buy that in a heartbeat

[Magic_Salad0892]

Glock will be introducing their own 1911

Lol. I saw that joke pic on AR-15.com actually.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_13/133497_Glocks_big_announcement_4_days_away.html&page=1

If that's real, I'm gonna lose my shit...

[markm]

Glock will be introducing their own 1911

Their current guns are just about as Unreliable... Why not?

[MistWolf]

Their current guns are just about as Unreliable... Why not?

Maybe you just need to stop choosing "Bushmaster" quality 1911s


Lol. I saw that joke pic on AR-15.com actually.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_13/133497_Glocks_big_announcement_4_days_away.html&page=1

If that's real, I'm gonna lose my shit...

Ha! That's funny! I'd not seen that before

[markm]

Maybe you just need to stop choosing "Bushmaster" quality 1911s


But they say Colt on the frame. :jester:

[Spiffums]

Glock Online Community...

...nothing to see here folks

You mean the Facebook version of GlockTalk?

[Spiffums]

Since a Practical Tactical .45 ala the G34/35 makes way too much sense.

That's because they wanna leave the door open for the Glock 1911. :jester:

[MistWolf]

But they say Colt on the frame. :jester:

LOL!

Mine is a Colt and in all the years and thousands of rounds through it, there has never been a problem that wasn't magazine or ammo related, except the damn roll pin that holds the rear sight to the slide. I keep telling myself I'm gonna replace it with a solid pin and be done, but...

[Doc. Holiday]

Ha, I think everyone has a list like that for just about every gun they own. I know I do.

[Split66]

But they say Colt on the frame. :jester:

OH Colt, you mean CMT? :rolleyes:



:D

[bubba04]

You guys have been great, we are humbled with all the great effort and guesses to decode our message. The good news is that it's NOT just a forum. The bad news is that you'll need to wait just a little bit longer. We're adding something new that we think you'll love.

[brickboy240]

If all they do is fix the ejection problems on the 9mms...that is "big news" enough!

LOL

Seriously....don't become SIG and water down the line. Keep a high quality small line and you'll continue to rule the polymer world.

-brickboy240

[shakazulu12]

Lol, don't think they were expecting the kind of negative backlash they got over the forum idea. Swing and a miss from the marketing side.

I'm still holding strong with my idea that its a single stack 9mm. The market

[lurpygeek]

...so GLOCKbook then?

(3 people like this!)

[red headed stranger]

You guys have been great, we are humbled with all the great effort and guesses to decode our message. The good news is that it's NOT just a forum. The bad news is that you'll need to wait just a little bit longer. We're adding something new that we think you'll love.

This is a quote from Glock's Facebook page.

[Moltke]

Triple tube semi auto shotgun?

Bullpup 5.7 ?

5.56 hand gun?

Glock revolver that shoots from top right cylinder?

Glock carbine, reverse ak charging handle on left side in .300 blackout?

Glock made rmr right behind the front sight slides?

HAHA! I want one of each!

[Doc. Holiday]

You guys have been great, we are humbled with all the great effort and guesses to decode our message. The good news is that it's NOT just a forum. The bad news is that you'll need to wait just a little bit longer. We're adding something new that we think you'll love.

I've never understood why companies purposely hold off for weeks before they actually announce something. (I don't know if this "big" secret will take weeks are not to get out) I wish there was a rule that if you were not planning on telling the answer to anyone for longer than 7 days, then just don't say anything instead of making everyone wait for something that possibly wasn't worth waiting over to begin with.

[suhu]

Not just a forum.. Perhaps paychecks for customers doing QC for them?

[okie john]

I've never understood why companies purposely hold off for weeks before they actually announce something. (I don't know if this "big" secret will take weeks are not to get out) I wish there was a rule that if you were not planning on telling the answer to anyone for longer than 7 days, then just don't say anything instead of making everyone wait for something that possibly wasn't worth waiting over to begin with.

I've worked on a boatload of launches like this for software and telecom companies. Slow reveals are pretty common due to things that people outside the company rarely know about: earnings calls, mergers, acquisitions, legal issues, announcements from competitors, a meeting that the CEO will attend specifically to make the announcement, etc., etc. In this case, I'm guessing it's about stealing thunder from something that will happen at SHOT.

I'm also guessing that Glock's marketing people have decided on a slow reveal to build anticipation and word-of-mouth buzz among people they call influencers. (That's people like us, who use their products and follow their development closely. Average shooters look to us for opinions and guidance because they trust us more than they trust Glock's advertising.) And if you think about it, that's exactly what we've been doing on this thread. In essence, we've become part of Glock's campaign to launch whatever they're launching.

Unfortunately, a slow reveal can show how out of touch you are with your market. Marketing people tend to think that influencers talk about what a company does, while overlooking the fact that we talk even more about what the company fails to do. For instance, Glock influencers have been talking about 9mm ejection issues for years, not just among ourselves, but with the very people Glock needs us to influence.

And this is a life-threatening issue. If the best Glock has to offer is an online community, then they have dropped the ball. Influencers already have online communities, superb ones in the case of M4Carbine.net. Adding a Glock logo to new one won't be enough. Unfortunately for Glock, if you disappoint your influencers, then they talk about you like you're idiots--again, kind of like what's going on in this thread.

Whether Glock has an online community matters a lot less than whether its products work right and meet the needs of the market. Do they fix the documented ejection issues in the 9mm guns? Do they bring out a single-stack pistol with a usable grip and a barrel long enough to stabilize properly in an AIWB holster? Or do they keep dicking around with smoke and mirrors?


Okie John

[Sry0fcr]

Given their recent track record for innovation, I'm expecting Gen 7 to feature 3 dot sights.

ZING!

[NWPilgrim]

Slow reveal marketing campaigns only work if the eventual announcement is a blockbuster. If it is ho-hum, or has been overtaken by interim events, then the campaign backfires.

Glocks innovation was the original design and the subsequent popularization of full size, compact, subcompact pistols using the same mags (borrowed from the 1911 platform no doubt). Their latest innovation, Gen 4, was a horrible mess. The idea was good but poorly tested and supported. I fortunately got a good Gen 4 G27 but many others apparently did not get reliable Gen4.

More mags would definitely be a winner right now. Maybe some sort of built in micro red dot optic or something? Anything that jacks the price on a base model is a no-go. Glock is popular because they were one of the least expensive reliable utility pistols on the market. IF they innovate themselves to the level of SIG or HK they will lose market share big time.

How about an 80% Glock frame and slide kit? Hahha!!

[ramairthree]

i was hoping for a 34/35 sized 45 or a 19 grip with 17/34 sized slide.

i don't need either one, but would have been interested.

[Quiet]

Glock 30S
Which is basically a Glock 30SF frame with the Glock 36 slide (which is slimmer than the Glock 30 slide).

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/glock_30s-tfb.jpg

[TriviaMonster]

I am hoping for a full length grip that will flush fit the 33rd 9mm magazines with a G17L slide. It will be called the OG17 complete with the SIDE of the slide milled for a RDS. I mean no one has noticed that gangsta's don't suffer from brass to face?

Its funny how we never traded a little bit of freedom of religion after the Jonestown Massacre.

[okie john]

i was hoping for a 34/35 sized 45 or a 19 grip with 17/34 sized slide.

I'd be on either of those ike white on rice.


Okie John

[brickboy240]

I wish the "big news" was that they were doubling their magazine making capability.

You cannot find Glock mags that hold more than 10rds anywhere these days!

LOL

[mikejg]

They just posted "Announcent 1 of 3" on Facebook. It's the stupid Glock ID community thing.

[okie john]

I just signed up and got this message: "After a brief waiting period, you'll gain exclusive access to GLOCK ID in late February."

This thing gets dumber by the minute.


Okie John

[Hogsgunwild]

I am sorry, but, Glock just gets gayer every year.

Not that there is anything wrong with being gay...:eek: (My PC disclaimer)

[Brimstone]

I am thinking a new 200 round 9mm mag that has a base that looks like a fist so that when it is inserted it looks like a hand flipping a giant bird with a pistol on top. :secret:

[TriviaMonster]

Hmm. Maybe a rear sight that doubles as a case deflector?

Its funny how we never traded a little bit of freedom of religion after the Jonestown Massacre.

[HES]

They just posted "Announcent 1 of 3" on Facebook. It's the stupid Glock ID community thing.
Be sure to drink your ovaltine

[munch520]

Not that there is anything wrong with being gay...:eek: (My PC disclaimer)

Ha. Seinfeld

[brushy bill]

They just posted "Announcent 1 of 3" on Facebook. It's the stupid Glock ID community thing.

Seriously?? If this is it, I think I'm going to unload my Glocks and mags. Enough is enough.

[Business_Casual]

I think it will be a DA/SA in 45 GAP with a slide-mounted safety.

bc

[Doc. Holiday]

Be sure to drink your ovaltine

"Son of a B****!" haha So true...

[KTR03]

Hoping for a carbine... but with the current climate, probably not.

I'd settle for a narrow, single stack 9mm that looks like a Kahr.

[twistedcomrade]

Glock, just produce more mags and everyone will be happy.

[Magic_Salad0892]

I'm actually hoping for them to announce that they're going to hire a significant amount of people in their QC department.

[GUNSLINGER733]

Maybe a zombie green frame with biohazard logo on slide with flashing beacon and m203 mount

[K1tt3n5]

Factory threaded barrels in stock? I'm looking for a factory g19 threaded barrel if anyone knows a place with them in stock. Ordering a g17 and g21 barrel already. I'm not too happy with my storm lake.

[Quiet]

Factory threaded barrels in stock? I'm looking for a factory g19 threaded barrel if anyone knows a place with them in stock. Ordering a g17 and g21 barrel already. I'm not too happy with my storm lake.

Palmetto State Armory just sold out of factory Glock 19 threaded barrels. They said they are getting more. I believe the price was around $220.

[Taptaps]

Glock ID? Is that something I should care about?

For a second I dared to hope for a single-stack 9mm with the length and height of a g26.
But nay, my hopes have been dashed on the rocks by some lame social networking gimmick.

[K1tt3n5]

Palmetto State Armory just sold out of factory Glock 19 threaded barrels. They said they are getting more. I believe the price was around $220.

You are correct. I was hoping someone knew of another place so I could get it ordered. Thank you.

[GUNSLINGER733]

Glockmeister

Rockyourglock.com

They might have the barrel

[medicmiles]

So what's with this Glock ID thing?

[naloxone]

So what's with this Glock ID thing?

You can chat about your Glocks online.

And get shooting challenges to complete for internet points.

And keep an online serialized database of all your firearms, safe and sound with Glock, Inc.

[GLOCKMASTER]

Good to see they are doing something different however, it's somewhat disappointing too that it's all they can bring to the table. Hopefully one of these days they will see the demand and need for let's say something thinner and smaller like a M&P Shield.

[FlyingHunter]

Would like to see them innovate anything in recent years. I carry a Glock, love em' - but dang, what have they innovated in the last few years? Look at the M&P PRO - optics ready or SA XD single stacks or Rugers LCP .380...all of these companies are refreshing their brand with NEW products customers want. C'mon Glock!

[demkofour]

How funny it is... Back in the early 90's my pd was one of the first "large agencies"adopting GLOCK for transition. Gaston GLOCK actually came to our range, along with his entourage of sales and tech people. Back then, and this was before the 26/27, Gaston himself asked what we wanted to see next from GLOCK. My thoughts of a slim single stack mini nine were balked at- hummmmmm... something about magazine interchangability was all that Mr. GLOCK and his people were concerned about.

[ST911]

What's the incentive to innovate right now? Product is sold months in advance, allocations are scheduled years out, production is at maximum capacity, and the guns and money are rolling?

And when there is incentive, the consumers will still flock to buy it regardless of what's already in their safe. People don't buy things because they need them, they buy things to satisfy their compulsion to buy new/different things.

[JHC]

What's the incentive to innovate right now? Product is sold months in advance, allocations are scheduled years out, production is at maximum capacity, and the guns and money are rolling?

And when there is incentive, the consumers will still flock to buy it regardless of what's already in their safe. People don't buy things because they need them, they buy things to satisfy their compulsion to buy new/different things.

Yes I think they apply most of their innovation energy into how to fill orders more rapidly and efficiently.

[medicmiles]

Then they turn that info over to the government for the national database??

Just a thought.

[trio]

So looks like we now have the G30S

Anyone with a little more detail?

I know it's a 36 slide on a 30 frame....but did the update the frame as well? Is it a gen 4 style frame now? Or an SF gen 3 frame? Or something new?

If its a 36 slide on a gen4 frame new for the G30, sign me up...I have a gen 4 21 that is lonely

[ygbsm]

Glock 30s has a 3rd Gen SF frame, 3rd gen 36 slide (not making a 4th gen 36), and a proprietary slide stop lever.

[thopkins22]

So let's give them the benefit of the doubt here and ask "What will said earned rewards get me?"

Free shit? Bragging rights? Something similar to the public safety discount?

[naloxone]

How funny it is... Back in the early 90's my pd was one of the first "large agencies"adopting GLOCK for transition. Gaston GLOCK actually came to our range, along with his entourage of sales and tech people. Back then, and this was before the 26/27, Gaston himself asked what we wanted to see next from GLOCK. My thoughts of a slim single stack mini nine were balked at- hummmmmm... something about magazine interchangability was all that Mr. GLOCK and his people were concerned about.


Which I get, but that's a reason to MAKE a G26/27, not a reason to NOT make a single stack 9mm/40.

How many other Glocks take a G36 mag again?

[markdh720]

Announcement 3 of 3: a couple new 10mm, .357 and a .45, none of which are what the masses have been asking for. I guess I can finally get the Shield now since Glock will not have any thing competitive in that category.

[red headed stranger]

Nothing "BIG" in the gun announcements. These were all things that most people knew were on the way.

[milosz]

So let's give them the benefit of the doubt here and ask "What will said earned rewards get me?"

I signed up purely because Glock is so good about giving away free stuff, including guns at GSSF shoots, etc..

[okie john]

I signed up purely because Glock is so good about giving away free stuff, including guns at GSSF shoots, etc..

Yep. Plus it will be interesting to see how they handle their foray into social media. I hope it doesn't become another GlockTalk.


Okie John

[ST911]

I always thought the same thing. I think the 28 is a 380 in the 26-27 size also. If I have this right, Europe does not allow citizens to have any NATO calibers (so no 9MM) so the 25 and 28 were made for that reason.

Found my pics of a G28, showing the primary differences.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j18/Skintop911/g28slidesidea.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j18/Skintop911/g28slidetop.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j18/Skintop911/g28magazine.jpg

[BTL BRN]

Hopefully one of these days they will see the demand and need for let's say something thinner and smaller like a M&P Shield.

Possible current events in this country - New York leading the way sadly - being the kick in the pants that they need?! :confused:

[CoryCop25]

Found my pics of a G28, showing the primary differences.



I have never seen a Glock 380. Thanks for the pics!
Interesting design on the chamber hood. It looks as if the barrel does not lock up into the slide like the full power models.

[okie john]

Interesting design on the chamber hood. It looks as if the barrel does not lock up into the slide like the full power models.

Either that, or it doesn't need to lock for as long, so the vertical locking surface on the front of the barrel hood is shorter. Then the bevel on the front of the barrel hood could help lever the barrel out of battery, then makes it easier to drop back into battery.

But I'm probably just making that up...


Okie John

[Sam]

So unimpressed by the "new" Glock 30S.

[ygbsm]

Either that, or it doesn't need to lock for as long, so the vertical locking surface on the front of the barrel hood is shorter. Then the bevel on the front of the barrel hood could help lever the barrel out of battery, then makes it easier to drop back into battery.

But I'm probably just making that up...


Okie John

That's because the 25 and 28 are straight blowback

[C4IGrant]

So unimpressed by the "new" Glock 30S.

+1
Ditto
Bingo



It was sad, super sad. Fail Glock.



C4

[jstalford]

+1
Ditto
Bingo



It was sad, super sad. Fail Glock.



C4

Does this mean I should just get the 30SF the LGS has? What was disappointing about it?

[markm]

+1
Ditto
Bingo



It was sad, super sad. Fail Glock.



Glock is battin a thousand lately huh? :(

[C4IGrant]

Does this mean I should just get the 30SF the LGS has? What was disappointing about it?

Well, they needed to do either a single stack gun or a carbine. This was really a "who gives a chit" type of thing.


C4

[Littlelebowski]

Well, they needed to do either a single stack gun or a carbine. This was really a "who gives a chit" type of thing.


C4

Or a Gen4 G34/35 style .45.

[jstalford]

Well, they needed to do either a single stack gun or a carbine. This was really a "who gives a chit" type of thing.


C4

Ah, on the front, yes I agree, disappointing. Since I wanted a 30 anyway, I will still just wait for this one.

Thanks

[red headed stranger]

Does this mean I should just get the 30SF the LGS has? What was disappointing about it?

There isn't anything wrong with the idea of the 30S. There have been people carrying essentially the same thing for years by putting a G36 slide on a G30 body.

What is disappointing is that Glock was touting "BIG" news, and for most people, the 30S doesn't fall under that heading.

[thopkins22]

What is disappointing is that Glock was touting "BIG" news, and for most people, the 30S doesn't fall under that heading.

It depends on how you view advertising. Dissapointing? Sure. But how many of us would have noticed or cared that they added a pistol to the lineup without a similar strategy?

[brickboy240]

Am I the only one that thinks the G30 should have had this type of slide from the beginning?

I don't think this is a "fail" for Glock...but not a big of a deal as they made it out to be.

I always thought the G30 was a nice pistol but the thickness of the slide was an issue.

Not altogether a crappy idea....just not worth the large amount of fanfare...maybe?

-brickboy240

PS: hope it tosses brass correctly and not at the forehead! LOL

[Dirknar]

Not sure what all the negativity is about. I think its pretty damn cool and i want one.. Maybe I'm not high speed enough though?

I've always wanted a g30 but always thought that really fat slide almost defeated the purpose. I have large hands and the SF frame fits me perfectly and now with an appropriate sized slide, it seems perfect to me.. I didn't know that ppl have already been doing this for years, i am a member of glocktalk too..

[C4IGrant]

Not sure what all the negativity is about. I think its pretty damn cool and i want one.. Maybe I'm not high speed enough though?

I've always wanted a g30 but always thought that really fat slide almost defeated the purpose. I have large hands and the SF frame fits me perfectly and now with an appropriate sized slide, it seems perfect to me.. I didn't know that ppl have already been doing this for years, i am a member of glocktalk too..

I guess (if that is what you were waiting for). For me, there are much better 45 pistols out there so I would never get excited about this.

When a company makes a deal about something (as they did), I would expect something much more interesting (to a wider selection of people). Glock is getting their ass handed to them in single stack polymer pistol market. It seems odd to me that they wouldn't go after that market.


C4

[TriviaMonster]

I just can't get excited about any small .45s. Crap, I think I just like the smaller frame guns in 9 or 40. I could get excited about a single stack 10mm though..maybe a 460 Rowland? You know, something that's just no fun to shoot. My ideas are so irrelevant I could work for Glock!

Its funny how we never traded a little bit of freedom of religion after the Jonestown Massacre.

[ARonBoard]

If that damn thing was at least on a Gen 4 frame. That would have been acceptable. Otherwise, not enough.

[19852]

So Glock still has tons of police orders and now the Queens Armed Forces. Maybe they are quietly becoming Beretta? Content to fill large governmental orders? Still a good product.

[t1tan]

Maybe they are quietly becoming Beretta? Content to fill large governmental orders?

Seems to have been the case for a while now.


The past couple years part of their "big" news, they "announce" the Gen 4 version of pistols, even though they've been in stores for months beforehand.


Now they'll probably keep manufacturing the 30, and the 30Gen 4, AND the 30S touting it as some tactical police specialty ccw(watch their video) instead of just making the 30S the standard 30, then in a few months later introduce the 30SGen 4, and we'll see it "announced" SHOT '14.

[okie john]

I don't think this is a "fail" for Glock...but not a big of a deal as they made it out to be.


When a company makes a deal about something (as they did), I would expect something much more interesting (to a wider selection of people). Glock is getting their ass handed to them in single stack polymer pistol market.


Glock is turning into Microsoft, and not in a good way.

These announcements were a big deal for a handful of senior people inside Glock who confused their own interests with those of their customers. For the public, they were a giant yawn. Unfortunately, the announcements came at a time when all hands at Glock should at least appear to be focused on building their version of the Shield or fixing extraction issues, so Glock looks like they're wearing the Emperor's New Clothes.

Instead of innovating to meet public demand, Glock is using market position to hold on to what it has. Walther has the PPQ, whose trigger and accuracy are superior to Glock's, and the PPS, which could easily grow out a little (ideally incorporating the PPQ fire-control system) into a great 10-shot polymer 9mm or 40. Smith could easily offer a full-sized Shield, and Kahr might even come up with something to beat Glock. While the competition is out there learning and adapting, Glock offers us more pictures of The Gunny, a "new" model that savvy users figured out years ago, and a chat board/data mining venture that may or may not go live six weeks from now.


Okie John

[JHC]

Glock is turning into Microsoft, and not in a good way.

These announcements were a big deal for a handful of senior people inside Glock who confused their own interests with those of their customers. For the public, they were a giant yawn. Unfortunately, the announcements came at a time when all hands at Glock should at least appear to be focused on building their version of the Shield or fixing extraction issues, so Glock looks like they're wearing the Emperor's New Clothes.

Instead of innovating to meet public demand, Glock is using market position to hold on to what it has. Walther has the PPQ, whose trigger and accuracy are superior to Glock's, and the PPS, which could easily grow out a little (ideally incorporating the PPQ fire-control system) into a great 10-shot polymer 9mm or 40. Smith could easily offer a full-sized Shield, and Kahr might even come up with something to beat Glock. While the competition is out there learning and adapting, Glock offers us more pictures of The Gunny, a "new" model that savvy users figured out years ago, and a chat board/data mining venture that may or may not go live six weeks from now.


Okie John

Yeah it was really really boring news alright. I could not be less impressed with their SHOT news.

Regarding other points however, there are some very experienced folk who rate the PPQ trigger as a little too much of a good thing for the combat role Glocks still dominate. We'll see who can step up. If you wanna be the champ, you gotta beat the champ. Dethroning has been predicted for many years now. We shall see.

[gun71530]

I don't really see the 30S as a fail. I have no interest in it, but like anything else, it's not for everyone.

[WickedWillis]

There is alot of hate towards Glock from the shot show on here. I don't know what everyone expected them to unveil that was major. Yes, the 30s is long overdue, but that will not stop me from buying and carrying one. When Obama's gun legislation goes through, Glock will begin development, or unveil a single stack 9 to compete with the Shield and PPS (and the XDS-9). I learned a long time ago to not get too excited for "BIG" announcements from firearm companies.

[Magic_Salad0892]

I learned a long time ago to not get too excited for "BIG" announcements from firearm companies.

Unless it's from HK, Walther, Colt, KAC, BCM, DD, or...

anybody except for Glock or Trijicon.

[JHC]

Unless it's from HK, Walther, Colt, KAC, BCM, DD, or...

anybody except for Glock or Trijicon.

Yeah pretty much.

[BBossman]

I guess (if that is what you were waiting for). For me, there are much better 45 pistols out there so I would never get excited about this.

When a company makes a deal about something (as they did), I would expect something much more interesting (to a wider selection of people). Glock is getting their ass handed to them in single stack polymer pistol market. It seems odd to me that they wouldn't go after that market.


C4

I might be enticed to go from the 1911 to Glock if they put together a full size G36... 7-8 round single stack and 4-4.5 " barrel.

[brickboy240]

Odd how some will crap on Glock for not changing enough over the years then crap all over SIG for doing just the opposite!

I am not sure that "big news" from Glock is always a great thing. Remember that "big news" gave us the 4th gen recoil spring debacle and brass to the face.

I'd prefer Glock to indeed "stay the same" and focus on QC. Let Springfield and SIG bring out 10 different variations and finishes per design.

The 30C is not a huge departure and really....I think I want one.

-brickboy240

[JHC]

Odd how some will crap on Glock for not changing enough over the years then crap all over SIG for doing just the opposite!

I am not sure that "big news" from Glock is always a great thing. Remember that "big news" gave us the 4th gen recoil spring debacle and brass to the face.

I'd prefer Glock to indeed "stay the same" and focus on QC. Let Springfield and SIG bring out 10 different variations and finishes per design.

The 30C is not a huge departure and really....I think I want one.

-brickboy240

OK good counterpoint well made. But I just want full size single stack 10mm. Is thaaaat sooo WROONNGGG? ;) And to Magic Salad's point about Glock and Trijicon - interesting that both those companies have a fairly limited line that pretty much stays back ordered year in year out. They can't possibly know what they're doing. :D

[okie john]

And to Magic Salad's point about Glock and Trijicon - interesting that both those companies have a fairly limited line that pretty much stays back ordered year in year out. They can't possibly know what they're doing. :D

Good point, but being on top and staying on top are two different things.


Okie John

[Magic_Salad0892]

And to Magic Salad's point about Glock and Trijicon - interesting that both those companies have a fairly limited line that pretty much stays back ordered year in year out. They can't possibly know what they're doing. :D

Lol. I never said they should change. (If anything they need to shitcan some stupid options that nobody ever buys.) I said that if they came out with a BIG announcement, it should probably be a BIG announcement.

Remember Trijicon's BIG announcement last year?

"OH SHIT! IT'S GONNA BE A NEW ACCUPOINT! OR ACOG!"

"Hey guys! It's a new bow sight!"

"...what?"

:lol:

[thopkins22]

I don't think Glock needs to drastically change their product line. They do need to fire the Maytag man in charge of QC/QA, and they need to put out a factory .22lr in the size/shape of the 17/19. More so than any single stack, 10mm(which will never really gain a larger following than it has,) or any other such nonsense, the .22lr would sell like hotcakes.

That's the ONE thing I'd suggest they learn from S&W.

[RHINOWSO]

Meh, big news eh? Don't think so.

[RHINOWSO]

I don't think Glock needs to drastically change their product line. They do need to fire the Maytag man in charge of QC/QA, and they need to put out a factory .22lr in the size/shape of the 17/19. More so than any single stack, 10mm(which will never really gain a larger following than it has,) or any other such nonsense, the .22lr would sell like hotcakes.

That's the ONE thing I'd suggest they learn from S&W.
Except if they (Glock) market a 22LR, THEY should make it and not sub it out to airsoft manufacturers... Like S&W, SIG Sketter & 1911, Walther PPK-22LR, etc have done... I've seen enough new pot metal 22s for my lifetime...

[JHC]

I don't think Glock needs to drastically change their product line. They do need to fire the Maytag man in charge of QC/QA, and they need to put out a factory .22lr in the size/shape of the 17/19. More so than any single stack, 10mm(which will never really gain a larger following than it has,) or any other such nonsense, the .22lr would sell like hotcakes.

That's the ONE thing I'd suggest they learn from S&W.

Yeah you're right about that. Ok, .22 first. I want one.

[KTR03]

Glock is turning into Microsoft, and not in a good way.

These announcements were a big deal for a handful of senior people inside Glock who confused their own interests with those of their customers. For the public, they were a giant yawn. Unfortunately, the announcements came at a time when all hands at Glock should at least appear to be focused on building their version of the Shield or fixing extraction issues, so Glock looks like they're wearing the Emperor's New Clothes.

Instead of innovating to meet public demand, Glock is using market position to hold on to what it has. Walther has the PPQ, whose trigger and accuracy are superior to Glock's, and the PPS, which could easily grow out a little (ideally incorporating the PPQ fire-control system) into a great 10-shot polymer 9mm or 40. Smith could easily offer a full-sized Shield, and Kahr might even come up with something to beat Glock. While the competition is out there learning and adapting, Glock offers us more pictures of The Gunny, a "new" model that savvy users figured out years ago, and a chat board/data mining venture that may or may not go live six weeks from now.


Okie John

Could not agree with you more - and I happen to know a little something about Microsoft. Glock is resting on their market share and not innovating enough. They'll say that they are operating at full capacity so why should they change? Big companies that don't innovate eventually get replaced in the market by others. If Glock had done removeable grip panels early on, done a single stack 9, a full size single stack 45, and a double stack 45 that doesn't require guerilla hands, its hard to imagine that Kahr, XDs, and M&Ps would have gotten the traction that they have. To speak nothing of their ejection issues...

They need to do a single column 9mm and 45 asap. What is so odd... the Glock USA guys know it... but i imagine arguing with an austrian billionaire is no fun...

[ramairthree]

"Glock is resting on their market share and not innovating enough. "

"Instead of innovating to meet public demand, Glock is using market position to hold on to what it has."

Damn, they are the new Beretta.

[Psalms144.1]

I don't know - I think the 30S is a good idea. The biggest problem with the 30 right now is that aircraft carrier wide slide - this is addressed with the new model, so I don't see why the hate.

Now, having said that, this is, IMHO, in no way "Big News" from Glock, and I agree that, instead, the big news should have been (in order):

1. We've finally figured out why the recent 9mms don't work. We'll repair/replace ANY non-working 9mm, and you can buy a new 9mm starting with the ?? serial range, and we guarantee strong, consistent ejection (not to your forehead!)

2. The new model 9, and 40 - built from the ground up to be reliable with 10 round magazines - and sized to mirror the G19/23 - only slimmer - like 1" or under

3. The 9c, and 40c - same as above, only pocket sized - 6 or 7 rounds in the 9c, and 5 or 6 in the 40

4. The Model 36XL - a single stack 8 shot with full-length grip, and 4.25" barrel

5. A carbine (there - another dead kitten!)

But, lest everyone think I'm a Glock basher, I'm also pissed that HK hasn't released the P30 in striker fired configuration yet, so they get some Hate today too!

Regards,

Kevin

[JHC]

All the business' we work with seem just as cojoined to Microsoft as ever. Just sayin'.

[okie john]

Just got an email from Glock about the new virtual community. It said, "YOUR EARLY ACCESS STARTS NOW. As a pre-registrant for GLOCK ID, you've earned the right to join the community with other early adopters. And now that the time is here, you can log-in and start earning patches, points and rewards today!"

When I tried to log in, the error message read "Early access is no longer available. Don't sweat it though. Registration will open to the public very soon."

I feel so ****ing special.


Okie John

[Doc. Holiday]

Ha, what a slap in the face... sorry man.

[GUNSLINGER733]

IMO what would have been cool to see at shot... Glock FS(17,22,34) with ambi controls, better ergonomics and front slide serrations:) from factory

That's for me personally but maybe the gen 5 will really be something to get excited about... Doubt it though

[t1tan]

I tried out Glock ID today, nothing special, not much to say about it.


I did find it funny when logging in there was a poll, something along the lines of "Which would you ather see from Glock first", the first two answers were single stack .45 and single stack 9mm.

[The_Watcher]

Just got an email from Glock about the new virtual community. It said, "YOUR EARLY ACCESS STARTS NOW. As a pre-registrant for GLOCK ID, you've earned the right to join the community with other early adopters. And now that the time is here, you can log-in and start earning patches, points and rewards today!"

When I tried to log in, the error message read "Early access is no longer available. Don't sweat it though. Registration will open to the public very soon."

I feel so ****ing special.


Okie John

You may have missed the box right above the text you quoted that stated "sign in". I wouldn't bother, I did and not sure I ever need to go back.

[Trajan]

I tried out Glock ID today, nothing special, not much to say about it.


I did find it funny when logging in there was a poll, something along the lines of "Which would you ather see from Glock first", the first two answers were single stack .45 and single stack 9mm.

Glock really needs to hurry up and get into the G19 sized single stack 9x19 game.

Plus, make the trigger guard the same as their other models, so existing holsters still work.

VG2 + single stack Glock would be the perfect "invisible" set up.

[hatidua]

Glock really needs to hurry up and get into the G19 sized single stack 9x19 game.

I suspect they'd sell a whole bunch of that configuration.

[okie john]

You may have missed the box right above the text you quoted that stated "sign in". I wouldn't bother, I did and not sure I ever need to go back.

I work in advertising, so I need to pay attention to this kind of thing for work. I kind of enjoyed watching Nestle self-destruct on Facebook, but it's sad to see Glock, which used to be a pretty solid brand, starting to drink the stupid soup.


Okie John

[ST911]

Plus, make the trigger guard the same as their other models, so existing holsters still work.

In the configuration you describe, they won't.