View Full Version : Noveske Diplomat/VIS build...
Derek_Connor
09-06-06, 18:31
More details/range report to come
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noveske lower, 7.5 diplomat barrel, krink, vltor vis/gas block/sling plate/stock/surefire m900, aimpoint.
Nice! :D
I'll be building the same upper next month - only difference is that I'll be going with a 551 Eo-Tech.
QuietShootr
09-06-06, 20:28
That's hot.
Derek_Connor
09-06-06, 22:21
Thanks fellas....i'll have more details to talk about it after i get to the range...with a decent camera
Derek_Connor
09-07-06, 17:11
More pics, range report: fun as hell!
Derek-
Look closely at mine:
http://suicidehz.zoto.com/img/original/ddfbe79add8a5d744d101c2deb6b2656-.jpg
Damn one number apart, did you plan that :)
I got # 79 with a 7.5" upper as well
Derek -- is that the Gun Gallery in JAX?
if so does Neil still have the FDE DD RISII?
Derek_Connor
10-19-06, 04:37
yeah thats the gg - but I am not sure if neil still has that part. I have been out of town on business....
knowing the shop and time of year, smart money says no...
Derek, look great man. You keep getting some of the nicest toys I have seen.
Damn that's a mean looking AR.
Derek_Connor
10-28-06, 16:06
thanks fellas, its truly an enjoyment to shoot it.
I recall a thread on AR15.com where MSTN (IIRC) posted sub-MOA groups from 100 yards. What has been your experience? I'm debating between going with a super-shortie like this AND a 16"-18" upper, or going for something a little longer like a Crusader 12.5".
Derek_Connor
12-03-06, 07:33
I believe it. I don't have the $$$$ to shoot the amount of MK262 that Wes does :p, next time though I'll actually take the time to shoot some match ammo through it at 100 and post the results. But here are some pictures to illustrate its potential,no where near sub-moa, bu considering what I was doing, i think it can be dragged out of it.
At 50 yards, straight screwing around, some standing up, some with the elbow on the bench rapid fire:
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At 100 yards, straight screwing around, same as above:
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All with basic 55grain American Eagle ammo, and an aimpoint sighted in for 45 feet.
Who said 7.5 are worthless? [flame]
We couldn't take pictures of this, but there was a man hole cover 300meters out that we could consistently "ding" shot after shot, just by keeping the red-dot on top of the man hole cover...very easily done.
Derek_Connor
12-10-06, 21:10
Had a chance to put this upper on a full auto lower. It initially burped, it was real dirty from the previous rounds I put through it. I put some more oil on the carrier, and she found her groove. We put 3 x 30round mags back to back through the upper without a problem. It was a real show stopper
We had an anniversary shoot today, a make shift shoot-house. The 7.5 shined :)
I forgot my sling today:mad: , but transitioning to my pistol with the 7.5 in the other was never a problem ;)
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Some different shots I have forgotten to post:
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I think you may have sold me on the 7.5". Great rifle!
Eric Torres
11-18-09, 13:18
My next deployment, 3-5 months after I get back from this one, is probably going to be conducting NCB/VBSS (Non Compliant Boarding / Visit Board Search and Seizure). I'm thinking about getting a 7.5 Diplomat upper with VIS for that, since it is a CQB only mission set. I'll still have my 10.5 and MK-12 with me to choose from on that deployment.
Could you please let me know as much as you can about the Diplomat.
Does it run reliably with other comps than the pig?
How does it run suppressed?
No shit reliability with 55gr, 62gr green tip, and 77gr, MK262mod1?
How does it group 5 rds at 50 and 100, from the bench?
I need reliable information if I am going to take this into harms way, not just internet posts from the unknown. I'm not worried about terminal performance at CQB ranges. My unit is currently on deployment, and the only two guys in my platoon that go out with anything longer than 10.5inch MK-18s are the snipers. (Mine has the new DD MK-18 FF rails, and a Noveske barrel. Yes I'm "cheating to defeat the enemy", HAIL to JOHN). It is mission specific and my unit is doing urban and suburban DA. It does and is doing the job every day, or should I say night. The 77gr ammo helps, and my rifle shoots sub MOA. It may not be "optimal" but the 10.5s are no shit doing the job. Not theory, range, or third hand, but doing it right now....tonight.
I love, love, love, my 10.5 Noveske light barrel on the Daniel defense new contract MK-18 rail. I can run the KAC NT-4 and its reliable. I'm also using the LMT-enhanced bolt, a JP FA Tactical bolt carrier and a Gasbuster. The gun is sub MOA, has velocities rivaling a traditional 16", is light, and super reliable. I would be hard pressed to run anything longer for what our mission set is. If I was in open mountains in Afghanistan, I would likely be running a MK-12.
We get to take as much crap as can fit in an ISU-90 CONEX. That's why if I do this NCB/VBSS platoon deployment I was thinking about bringing a Diplomat also. I would still bring my 10.5, and the MK-12 for other missions, but I would like something tiny, like PDW size but in 5.56, in a foreign crappy smuggling ship or little drug or pirate boat with very narrow hallways, equipment and crap bolted to the walls making them even narrower. If I brought it, the Diplomat would be for VBSS CQB only missions. Any other mission, which could entail exterior fighting at greater than 100m I would bring something else, of course.
Hope all of you are doing great. Other than missing my little ones, I'm having a good time. If I choose to do this I may not have the full time to research it myself, first hand, like I would normally. I have 4 months left on this deployment and probably after that, 3-5 months before my next one.
I would appreciate as much FIRST HANDinfo as you can give me about the Diplomat. Guys, please, no time for hearsay or second/third hand info.
I love, love, love, my 10.5 Noveske light barrel on the Daniel defense new contract MK-18 rail. I can run the KAC NT-4 and its reliable. I'm also using the LMT-enhanced bolt, a JP FA Tactical bolt carrier and a Gasbuster. The gun is sub MOA, has velocities rivaling a traditional 16", is light, and super reliable. I would be hard pressed to run anything longer for what our mission set is. If I was in open mountains in Afghanistan, I would likely be running a MK-12.
A 10.5" barrel that can match a 16" barrel for velocity? :eek:
-B
parishioner
11-21-09, 17:00
Have yall seen this lil guy?
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=b-85g-556&cat=17&page=1&search=&since=&status=
It's an 8.5" noveske barrel.
Wow this is bringing one up from the dead.
Noveske does a run of 8.5" barrels like once a year. I don't see any in 6.8 though :(
VooDoo6Actual
12-01-09, 12:54
Nice looking blaster.
Derek_Connor
12-01-09, 13:00
If I could do it all over again, I would have got the same setup in 6.8. FWIW.
If I could do it all over again, I would have got the same setup in 6.8. FWIW.
That's essentially what I did. LWRCI PSD in 6.8 and I love it. I had a Diplomat as well. Fun uppers.
VooDoo6Actual
12-01-09, 14:26
If I could do it all over again, I would have got the same setup in 6.8. FWIW.
CHECK.
Did that myself and I'm pleased beyond my expectations FWIW.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/LWRC68SPC2.jpg
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Couple of MODS. I recently added.
Surefire M300 light and VLTOR Mod. 3 CH.
Eric Torres
12-01-09, 16:15
Did you get that aimpoint mount that way or did you get it milled and lightened. I'm a little obsessive about weight.
Also for one of the prev posters
55gr mil my free floating 10.5 Noveske's velocity is just short of 2900. A regular 16 inch barrel is 3100+/-. A regular 14.5 is 3000+/-. Im having barely any loss and with the 77gr ammo we are using its been effective.
parishioner
12-01-09, 16:20
Did you get that aimpoint mount that way or did you get it milled and lightened. I'm a little obsessive about weight.
Looks like the HK medium height mount made by Larue.
Eric Torres
12-01-09, 17:56
Yeah, its a Larue mount installed backward but did Mark start lightenning and skeletonizing his T-1 mounts?
Mark?
By the way, looks like a pretty cool firearm. How does it recoil with the short barrel, piston, and in 6.8?
RogerinTPA
12-01-09, 19:30
Very nice Derek!
How do you like that "HUGE" light on it?:D (J/K)
Seriously though, is that the final configuration or is it a work in progress?
Yeah, its a Larue mount installed backward but did Mark start lightenning and skeletonizing his T-1 mounts?
Mark?
By the way, looks like a pretty cool firearm. How does it recoil with the short barrel, piston, and in 6.8?
There are three heights of T-1 mounts available. The one in the photo is the mid size, it's designed to work with the HK and other similar AR piston guns.
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=150
Very nice Derek!
How do you like that "HUGE" light on it?:D (J/K)
Seriously though, is that the final configuration or is it a work in progress?
That upper is long gone.. I remember when he sold it a few years ago.
Yeah, its a Larue mount installed backward but did Mark start lightenning and skeletonizing his T-1 mounts?
Mark?
By the way, looks like a pretty cool firearm. How does it recoil with the short barrel, piston, and in 6.8?
The T1 mount in its medium height configuration has always been "skeletonized" in the middle there.
I'm not HOPLOETHOS but my PSD is very smooth. Recoil is minimal and muzzle rise is too. I would say it feels a bit stronger than 5.56, but not quite as heavy as 7.62x39 (in an AR). It just pushes backward. I like it.
Derek_Connor
12-01-09, 20:20
That upper is long gone.. I remember when he sold it a few years ago.
Correct.
While it was an accurate and reliable rifle, it had a very small niche. And it was liquidized to something more practical....for me.
If i was lucky enough to have a job that allowed me to shoot bad people/terrorists/violent felons/etc in the skull from cars and/or very tight spaces...i'd still have it ;)
If i was lucky enough to have a job that allowed me to shoot bad people/terrorists/violent felons/etc in the skull from cars and/or very tight spaces...
That right there is an instant classic
Eric Torres
12-01-09, 20:32
Thanks 9mm, jman and fireglok.
I T&Ed the T-1 mounts for Mark Larue and was one of the first to T&E a micro T-1. I have been fortunate to have been given a number of them for free and all but 2 are on Larue High mounts, except the ones on my UMP and MP-5, which are on low mounts.
I'm currently overseas using a T-1 on a Larue high mount.
I really appreciate all the input but the question is, did Mark start lightenning and skeletonizing his T-1 mounts?
Boring night tonight.
theJanitor
12-01-09, 20:38
eric, i've only seen that midsized mount in the lightened config (LT660HK).
stay safe, bro.
Kent
p.s. looks like i need to mail you a plate lunch ;)
VooDoo6Actual
12-01-09, 20:42
Correct.
If i was lucky enough to have a job that allowed me to shoot bad people/terrorists/violent felons/etc in the skull from cars and/or very tight spaces...i'd still have it ;)
Aticulated quite eloqouently Sir !
...8.5" barrels. I don't see any in 6.8 though :(
We have them, let me see if I can get them put onto the website.
eric, i've only seen that midsized mount in the lightened config (LT660HK).
stay safe, bro.
Kent
p.s. looks like i need to mail you a plate lunch ;)
Sorry, this is what I meant to say. I've only seen it in that configuration (lightened) with the medium height mount.
parishioner
12-02-09, 12:31
Does anyone know the weight difference between the KAC T-1 mount and the Larue medium and tall mounts?
foxjordan22
12-02-09, 17:11
Did you get that aimpoint mount that way or did you get it milled and lightened. I'm a little obsessive about weight.
Also for one of the prev posters
55gr mil my free floating 10.5 Noveske's velocity is just short of 2900. A regular 16 inch barrel is 3100+/-. A regular 14.5 is 3000+/-. Im having barely any loss and with the 77gr ammo we are using its been effective.
wow that is great velocity from a 10.5, is it because of the polygonal barrel? less friction equals more velocity. my internet research has seen lower numbers. here is a chart I've found. if so is the 12.5 noveske worth the extra velocity or is the 10.5 plenty?
http://www.ttellc.net/misc/velocity.jpg
Thanks 9mm, jman and fireglok.
I T&Ed the T-1 mounts for Mark Larue and was one of the first to T&E a micro T-1. I have been fortunate to have been given a number of them for free and all but 2 are on Larue High mounts, except the ones on my UMP and MP-5, which are on low mounts.
I'm currently overseas using a T-1 on a Larue high mount.
I really appreciate all the input but the question is, did Mark start lightenning and skeletonizing his T-1 mounts?
Boring night tonight.
Eric, here is a picture from the LaRue website.
http://www.laruetactical.com/pics/LT66XMount/T1_Profiles_copy.jpg
Looks like the Medium height comes "skeletonized"
Stay safe brother.
Edit: Missed theJanitor's post, I can't read apparently.
Why wouldn't the low profile mount work on ARs as long as it has flip up irons?
SWATcop556
12-03-09, 02:15
Why wouldn't the low profile mount work on ARs as long as it has flip up irons?
It will. It just won't co-witness correctly.
The HK mount puts the sights i the top 1/4 (as it appears to me) on a standard AR and the mount designed for the shotgun did not allow the sights to be seen through the optic.
VooDoo6Actual
12-03-09, 07:26
Why wouldn't the low profile mount work on ARs as long as it has flip up irons?
Be advised the HK mount is approx. .270 LOWER than standard AR sight plane is.
You will need to get HK style sights (.270 lower) for proper Co-Witness.
Be advised, the LaRue mounts can be mounted EITHER direction. They index correctly on EITHER side.
The pics generally show the lever to the rear and on ejection side, it is NOT backwards.
I prefer to have the lever away from my ejection port and ANY obstructions out of way. My gear/kit does NOT get caught up etc.
Recent MODS.
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Eric Torres
01-18-10, 19:34
Thanks for the replies. Ive been a little busy on deployment.
Foxjordan
The loss in velocity is not that much out of my Noeske barrel and seems a worthy trade considering how much lighter and handy the CQB barrel is. I also like the sub MOA accuracy with the 77gr match ammo. I believe the velocity comes from the rifling and proper chambering. If given a chance, John's barrels are what I use. They seem to be black majic.
Hopole..
Its backwards. It may work that way, and its your preference, but its backwards. Having the lever over the ejection port does not block a thing or caused any problems. Having the lever over the bolt release gives you something to strike other than the bolt release on a speed reload, using gross motor skills and smacking the side of the receiver with the open palm of your hand. That's why Mark moved his levers to the other side on his newer mounts. Maybe you are a lefty and this does not affect you or maybe you are right handed, have some training scars, and use your thumb to release. Nice pics of your good looking shorty. Interesting sling attachment clamp.
foxjordan22
01-18-10, 19:52
i agree, its worth the trade off. id rather have a lighter shorter gun with great velocity. thanks for your help.
parishioner
01-18-10, 20:29
Mr. Torres, are you getting the excellent velocity readings from the Noveske stainless steal 10.5" CQB barrel or the N4 light series 10.5"?
Eric Torres
01-19-10, 12:24
I happen to be usiing the "light" barrel but both the light and the stainless use the same rifling. I have understood that the weight in 10.5 is practically identical between the light and stainless.
I'm building another 10.5 with a stainless barrel when I get back from this deployment.
I'll have 3 rifles waiting for me. A Diplomat, an LWRC PSD in 5.56, and another 10.5 Noveske stainless.
VooDoo6Actual
01-19-10, 17:34
Eric Torres writes:
"Hopole..
Its backwards. It may work that way, and its your preference, but its backwards. Having the lever over the ejection port does not block a thing or caused any problems. Having the lever over the bolt release gives you something to strike other than the bolt release on a speed reload, using gross motor skills and smacking the side of the receiver with the open palm of your hand. That's why Mark moved his levers to the other side on his newer mounts. Maybe you are a lefty and this does not affect you or maybe you are right handed, have some training scars, and use your thumb to release. Nice pics of your good looking shorty. Interesting sling attachment clamp."
Actually been VERY busy deployed myself.
Having already gotten the low down on the down low from Brian, Austin, Blake et al @ LaRue (who manufacture the mount) were kind enough to inform me that this and other mounts can be mounted either direction.
Brian and Blake @ LaRue had a good laugh at your explanation.
Your rationalization about blah, blah blah is exactly that.
It does not effect the weapons performance or any manipulation, mals etc. and I have ZERO issues with any of the issues you claim.
I'll stick to my opinion and what works for me to share with others.
I found when I closed my mind and was not willing to query others in the know I did not grow and learn as much...
This is why I limit whom I train with and selectively regulate my dialogue
What I learened from this post reaffirms my beliefs on why I train with certain people, companies, avoid others and equally why I don't train with some...
stay safe out there...
Eric Torres writes:
"Hopole..
Its backwards. It may work that way, and its your preference, but its backwards. Having the lever over the ejection port does not block a thing or caused any problems. Having the lever over the bolt release gives you something to strike other than the bolt release on a speed reload, using gross motor skills and smacking the side of the receiver with the open palm of your hand. That's why Mark moved his levers to the other side on his newer mounts. Maybe you are a lefty and this does not affect you or maybe you are right handed, have some training scars, and use your thumb to release. Nice pics of your good looking shorty. Interesting sling attachment clamp."
Actually been VERY busy deployed myself.
Having already gotten the low down on the down low from Brian, Austin, Blake et al @ LaRue (who manufacture the mount) were kind enough to inform me that this and other mounts can be mounted either direction.
Brian and Blake @ LaRue had a good laugh at your explanation.
Your rationalization about blah, blah blah is exactly that.
It does not effect the weapons performance or any manipulation, mals etc. and I have ZERO issues with any of the issues you claim.
I'll stick to my opinion and what works for me to share with others.
I found when I closed my mind and was not willing to query others in the know I did not grow and learn as much...
This is why I limit whom I train with and selectively regulate my dialogue
What I learened from this post reaffirms my beliefs on why I train with certain people, companies, avoid others and equally why I don't train with some...
stay safe out there...
Wonder why it's on the right side in all of LaRue's photos?
Eric Torres
01-19-10, 19:16
Hopole...
Your negative attitude is clearly out for all to see in your words. I have better things to do than waste my time with you.
"blah, blah blah", "I found when I closed my mind and was not willing to query others in the know I did not grow and learn as much..."
and "What I learened from this post reaffirms my beliefs on why I train with certain people, companies, avoid others and equally why I don't train with some."
By the way, keep the weapon on safe untill you intend to shoot, killer.
My team mates here in the fight are joining me in a giggle.
LOL
VooDoo6Actual
01-19-10, 19:18
I'm told by LaRue's reps that is just how it worked out at first.
I would suggest calling Blake, Austin, Brian or ? to verify.
I have.
WE are having a good laugh here as well...
I guess I have to get the AFG or BAD et alia as well or else...
LOL
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