View Full Version : Is a Troy 556 carbine worth $2400
Like the title says... I was in one of my local shops, I live less than 2 miles from Troy, they just made a deal with Steve to purchase 10 complete TROY built carbines, looked just like the picture on the TROY Defense website... but there is no price I can find anywhere. I was told I could purchase one for $2395, is that the gouge price or do the Troys have a higher value...?
http://www.troydefense.com/firearmsaccessories/
Gouge price.
I thought I saw a post somewhere on here of somebody buying one or seeing one for sale a couple months ago for like $800.
No AR is worth over $2000 IMO...
I had a hard time stomaching the $1500 I paid for my Daniel Defense back in 2008 and I paid MSRP for it. Wasnt a discount, but wasnt a gouge either.
Gouge. With looking at the exact specifics, that rifle looks very similar to the Troy rifle Dick's had for $999
www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=108277
Post 5 or 6 says $1000 was the sticker price.
They were under $1k at Dick's Sporting Goods as a Black Friday deal.
$2400....ouch
Dicks regular prices was 1099. They black friday'd them for 799.
Troy had indicated that the initial sales at Dicks was a discount, and prices were to go up in the future.
I think rumor was that dicks was selling the stock they had from they're orders (since they no longer sell AR's) to a distributor for a 30% markup.
With the accessories and stuff that comes stock, 1099 was a good price, I'd think the $1200-1300 range would be about right for it from most established mfg.
Considering it was $600 on black friday? Price gouge galore!
thepatriot2705
01-12-13, 17:56
In all reality, with the accessories on the troy defense, it is a $1400 gun. 2400 is not gouging if someone pays for it. Does it suck yes, but if you want it pony up the dough especially with a potential ban or executive order.
It's worth whatever someone thinks it is worth in this political climate.
It is worth whatever somebody is willing to pay for it.
To you it is worth whatever you are willing to pay for it
It might be worth $2k. It might not.
Since I've been saying, since 2008, that there will be no "AWB", I would say it is not worth that much provided that you are willing to wait months and months for the market to settle down.
It's worth whatever someone thinks it is worth in this political climate.
Exactly.
Troy also reported that they had made a deal with Dick's to offer it at a super low price. They rated that since Dick's cancelled that program, the rifles would no longer be able to be offered anywhere near that price.
For me, **** no it's not worth it. But it depends how desperate you are OP. I'd rather have one for sure than just be an optimist.
I'm not desperate at all, I have plenty of AR's, just trying to find out the true value of them and whether they are better than your run of the mill AR's. I think we all know the obvious here, I'll say it again.... they are worth what people will pay... that was not what I am looking for. I saw the upper kits for 15-1800, add a lower kit and maybe they are worth $2000... but I'm thinking they are some of the run off units from Dicks.... at which case they are a $1000 gun, I believe my LGS is gouging, I won't support them anymore if that is what they are doing...
My take is it depends on how much $ you have or make. If you make 40K, not so much...$100K, I'd buy it and never look back...:big_boss:
Troy also reported that they had made a deal with Dick's to offer it at a super low price. They rated that since Dick's cancelled that program, the rifles would no longer be able to be offered anywhere near that price.
For me, **** no it's not worth it. But it depends how desperate you are OP. I'd rather have one for sure than just be an optimist.
Actually Troy was unhappy with the the price Dicks offered their carbine for on Black Friday. In the statement they made regarding Dick's decision to suspend the sale of "assault rifles" They said---"DSG devalued and diluted Troy’s brand when it offered for sale the Carbine at a steeply discounted price during Thanksgiving week."
DirectDrive
01-12-13, 19:21
Fuk no.
Gouge price.
Fuk no.
Gouge price.
That's what I'm thinking and further pissed because the bossman was trying to imply that's what Troy charged him.. I don't believe major suppliers are gouging the retailers...
No way. I've got one and it's a solid rifle so far but not for that much. Tops it's a $1500 rifle, $1200 sounds more like it to me.
I got a rain check for one at the black friday price, which was obviously never delivered. I was going to stick with it because the price was so good, but there were a lot of people reporting tight magazine wells and different types of bolt carriers being used so that's something to keep in mind. That price certainly seems steep to me even if Dick's was devaluing the brand. I still hate thinking about that rifle since it came exactly how I wanted it set up for $800 and I ended up paying $900 for a used, bone stock Colt A3 with a half moon carrier.
Actually Troy was unhappy with the the price Dicks offered their carbine for on Black Friday. In the statement they made regarding Dick's decision to suspend the sale of "assault rifles" They said---"DSG devalued and diluted Troy’s brand when it offered for sale the Carbine at a steeply discounted price during Thanksgiving week."
I'll bet they were "unhappy". It gives a pretty good idea of what the cost to DSG was and what the markup is. I've seen in this thread that some said the Black Friday sale price was $600, $800 and under $1000. Whatever it actually was, it shows that DSG made a profit on every single one they sold. (Which is what they are supposed to do, they are in business to make a profit)
One post says that the reg DSG price was $1099 (sounds about right), they dropped the price on Black Friday by $300 to $799. A good discount of a little over 27%; not an outrageous discount but about on par with the amount of most similarly priced consumer goods on Black Friday.
Troy is also in business to make a profit and they made their profit on every rifle they sold to DSG before DSG sold a single one. Everyone should be pretty happy at this point; Troy, DSG and the folks that plunked down 8 bills for a good quality AR15 platform rifle. Troy products are being sold and everyone that bought one is gonna tell their buddy about the sweet deal they got = good potential future sales for Troy products. DSG made a extra big chunk of cash before year end by turning profit on inventory that may have otherwise sat in racks/warehouse for several more months.
Here comes the rub... Troy didn't anticipate the tragic event in CT in December or the buying panic that would ensue nearly immediately. Now Troy is looking at the potential of making staggering profits in the 1st quarter of the new year because of the panic that has been set in motion by who? Potential customers...many who are willing to pay (think about this for a second and let it sink in) 200% over what their buddy paid for the identical product on Black Friday.
Say what you want about the media and the entire political left exploiting the tragedy of a wingnut who murdered his mother, executed 20 children and 6 adults, then in a final act of cowardice and depravity killed himself; I find it actually more obscene that some members of the firearms community are exploiting the tragedy to make a quick buck. I expect it from the media and the socialist Democrats....
It's not just that LGS selling that Troy rifle, or CTD or DSG...I'm not about to start a list of all the price gouges out there. I've looked on the places on the web I always do and I've been by the same shops and stores that I've been going to for years, when this all dies down and inventories and prices normalize, the list of businesses that get my hard earned dollars is going to be less than half as long as it was just one month ago.
Oh, to answer the OP question. No, not a chance it is actually worth $2400. I'll admit that a person can easily spend that sum building their "ideal rifle" on this platform but I can't think of a manufactured AR that is actually worth >$2k. But that's like, just my opinion man.
Well, that's my .02 rant...not even gonna try getting a nickel for it.
it is just a delton rifle with troy industries furniture
you be the judge
Any proof of this, or is the same reported bad information because del-ton used to make a rifle with Troy parts?
it is just a delton rifle with troy industries furniture
you be the judge
What's your source for that claim?
I bought a Troy Carbine from Dick's shortly after my local store got them. I paid the full $1099 price minus a discount I got for opening an account, and I am very happy with the rifle I got for that price. I'd say those that got them on Black Friday for $799 got a hell of a deal.
As for the Del-Ton claim... I don't see it. My Troy is nothing like the last Del-Tons I had my hands on.
As for experience with my Troy... It has been through two days with Frank Proctor as well as another carbine class, all without an issue of any kind.
One post says that the reg DSG price was $1099 (sounds about right), they dropped the price on Black Friday by $300 to $799. A good discount of a little over 27%; not an outrageous discount but about on par with the amount of most similarly priced consumer goods on Black Friday..
I have purchased 2 Troy rifles (one as a gift to my kid for Xmas.) The first was $1099, and the second, just before Thanksgiving, was at the Black Friday price of $799 (minus 10% for applying for a Dick's CC.) Based on my experience with these two, I would say, in the current climate, anything under $1500 is a good price. $2400 is just ridiculous.
BTW - I agree on the Delton BS.
www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=108277
Post 5 or 6 says $1000 was the sticker price.
To be fair, if it is leftover stock from the rifles that Dicks now refuses to sell, Troy had released the statement that they would not be able to meet the high volume MSRP Dicks had been promising everyone.
$2400 still seems high though.
wetidlerjr
01-13-13, 03:50
Is a Troy 556 carbine worth $2400
Not to me.
Please back this up with some facts.
it is just a delton rifle with troy industries furniture
you be the judge
edgecrusher
01-13-13, 05:07
That's what I'm thinking and further pissed because the bossman was trying to imply that's what Troy charged him.. I don't believe major suppliers are gouging the retailers...
Yeah, no! I must be local to you, I know several people at Troy, that price isn't close to what is being sold to them for. Also, if the shop you are referring to is, and I would bet on it, located in the same town as Troy, then they have been shady and shitty long since before their recent name change. I know of another close one if you need a new one, pm me, I live in Westfield and will be more than happy to source two more run by people with integrity.
If you want to know if it's manufacturer or retailer gouging, go to the manufacturer website and find out. If they sell to the public (BCM, DD, Noveske, PSA) and post their prices, then you will know if the retailer is planning their retirement.
By and large from what I have seen, the retailers are the ones doing the gouging. Manufacturers prices have gone up a little, like maybe 10% tops, and that is likely due to typical inflation, cost of supplies, and other variables.
That is more than double what i would pay for it. But if you have the $$ and can't find an AR anywhere else and like the features then its up to you. If I already had an AR I would run. But if you do not and are just really really wanting one its your $$$.
BTW is it just me or is that the weirdest looking stock ever.
I say it is over priced - I could see these going in the 1200 - 1400 range if normal returns to us...now with that said I saw one sell privately on a local gun trader BST for 2000 in one day...I knew the seller and he is one to take advantage of these times. His comment was he could have sold it for 2500 for as many offers as he had on the rifle.
it is just a delton rifle with troy industries furniture
you be the judge
Wow! What a bunch of bullshit. Where do people get this shit from? Mods you should REALLY delete that post because it is EXTREMELY misleading to people who know no better. This is not the kind of misinformation that should be on M4C. The Troy Carbine is way higher quality than any Del-Ton. I would expect that this "rumor" came about because of the fact that Del-Ton use to sell one of their rifles equipped with a TRX rail and the Battleax stock that are on the Troy Carbine. And, it probably came from a Del-Ton owner!! :sarcastic: They are absolutely not even close to being the same weapon. That's like saying a Colt 6920 Magpul is the same as a Bushmaster Patrolman Magpul because it wears some similar furniture.
Take your bullshit lies somewhere else. There is absolutely no truth to your claim and yet you act as if it's fact. Please read more and post less.
$2,400 is overpriced, obviously, but the Troy Carbine is a very fine rifle. I'm impressed with it's quality and the melonite barrel is very accurate. If you're willing to spend $2,400 on an AR-15 right now due to the political climate then go ahead. There were some initial problems with the limited run of billet lowers not accepting certain magazines but Troy is replacing these lowers with standard forged lowers at no charge and the newer production ones don't have this problem. The quality of the weapon is what those TOS guys would call "Tier 1". I've shot my brothers Troy numerous times and inspected every little part obsessively so yes I can speak on this, unlike some people on here.
The simple answer is no.
Not worth it to me in any political climate.
If you dont have an AR, MAYBE, if you didnt have to put it on a credit card.....
Scary times for our Republic.
Way too high. The market is insane right now. I wouldn't pay that for a LaRue or KAC, let alone a Troy (no insult to Troy intended).
Wow! What a bunch of bullshit. Where do people get this shit from? Mods you should REALLY delete that post because it is EXTREMELY misleading to people who know no better. This is not the kind of misinformation that should be on M4C. The Troy Carbine is way higher quality than any Del-Ton. I would expect that this "rumor" came about because of the fact that Del-Ton use to sell one of their rifles equipped with a TRX rail and the Battleax stock that are on the Troy Carbine. And, it probably came from a Del-Ton owner!! :sarcastic: They are absolutely not even close to being the same weapon. That's like saying a Colt 6920 Magpul is the same as a Bushmaster Patrolman Magpul because it wears some similar furniture.
Take your bullshit lies somewhere else. There is absolutely no truth to your claim and yet you act as if it's fact. Please read more and post less.
not too long ago i was in a dicks and was looking at a rifle which was being marketed as a troy rifle by the store and it was in fact a delton rifle with troy furniture
i figured this was the rifle in question. honest mistake. didnt really read the thread. learned something new. :)
you people do need to work on your manners tho.
Diver160651A
01-13-13, 10:41
(snip) Where do people get this shit from? Mods you should REALLY delete that post because it is EXTREMELY misleading to people. (Snip) There is absolutely no truth to your claim and yet you act as if it's fact. Please read more and post less.
In these online gatherings, it seems some posters either repeat what they have been told or experienced in video games and pass it as fact. No disrespect intended, but I believe it is just part of the online world.
Posts from people like the one from djmorris helps combat some of the BS. I too have broken down, assembled shot Troy's offerings. Other than the fact that not all use the same barrel mfg, I believe they are fine offerings.
Jt
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decodeddiesel
01-13-13, 11:06
It's worth whatever someone thinks it is worth in this political climate.
Winner.
I saw someone gladly pay $2800 for a 6920 at the LGS last week. I thought it was insanity, but the fellow whipped out the platinum card and it was a done deal.
Personally, unless the weapon said "Knight's Armament Co." or "HK" I would never pay that much for a 5.56 AR-15.
13 years ago there was this certain corporation, shares in that corporation's stock were selling at over $70/share. People paid that much because they thought (and were told) that it was worth it and that the priceof the stock would increase. Those people were wrong on both assumptions. One year later, you couldn't get a dime for a share of that stock.
An AR platform rifle at that price is overpriced. Doesn't really matter what the name on the side of the receiver is. The guy that tossed down his platinum card to get the Colt now has a quality rifle but $2800 is way more than I'd pay for one. If he plans on keeping it, shooting it and enjoying it, eventually passing it on to his son or daughter someday... then he will get out of it what he paid for it. If he bought it as an investment and plans on selling it and making a buck in the near future, he'll be holding on to that rifle for a long time. It's not very likely that he will be able to get back what he has in it unless he sells it (still NIB) in the next month. Otherwise, he's looking at another 20+ years.
didnt really read the thread...
you people do need to work on your manners tho.
In light of the bolded portion above, you don't get to tell anyone about their manners. You get TOLD.
If you're gonna comment without bothering to read (which is different from simply having missed something while reading), the folks that called you on your BS statement are NOT the rude ones. It was utter horseshit, and you would have been spared the indignity of having that pointed out to you in decisive terms by the simple act of posting it in the form of a question, instead of as a statement.
I was at the NRA range last night; some opportunist has one of the Dick's Troy carbines up on the For-Sale board.....for $3100. :haha:
What makes that comedy a tragedy is having no doubts whatsoever that some halfwit will PAY that much... Whomever put that up, did so in exactly the right place to do it. Questionable motives, excellent execution.
Considering it was $600 on black friday? Price gouge galore!
They were $799, and you could get an additional 10% off by opening Dick's credit card; ask me how I know!? :p
I think they are great rifles, but as mentioned here that is desperation pricing.
I have one. I got mine before the black Friday madness pricing and i think i got a great rifle at a geat price. It is $1500 rifle if it is set up the way you want it. The add-ons add up . If you were to buy a quality bone-stock carbine and build it up, you could spend more. Like my title says, i wouldn't pay that much, but i already have one. Excellent machine, but that is inflated pricing.
Like the title says... I was in one of my local shops, I live less than 2 miles from Troy, they just made a deal with Steve to purchase 10 complete TROY built carbines, looked just like the picture on the TROY Defense website... but there is no price I can find anywhere. I was told I could purchase one for $2395, is that the gouge price or do the Troys have a higher value...?
http://www.troydefense.com/firearmsaccessories/
Only worth what one is willing to pay. Welcome to the free market. May it live a happy life on the shelf. Although I'm sure somewhere, someone will pay thee grand for it.
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