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patriot_man

01-14-13, 21:52

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yaDzaErCSo

I am really excited for the X300V and X400V IR. Lets hope we don't have to wait too long for them! :D

Edit 1/28: Surefire 2013 catalog
http://www.surefire.com/media/wysiwyg/main_site_pdfs/2013_WeaponLight_Brochure_ps.pdf

C45P312

01-14-13, 21:54

Awesome. Is X300 Ultra obsolete now?! my local shop has had them on order3-4 months before Shot Show and now there's a new version.

buckjay

01-14-13, 22:15

Was a bit disappointed to see nothing new with the Scout line, and then they dropped the thing about upgrades coming later in the year.

Anyone know if its just a new Scout head or are they updating the entire line?

SmokeJumper

01-14-13, 22:29

Hmm, wonder how many will come into existence and make it to the market... That P3X Fury looks good, but I'm curious of the switching fucntionality with the dual output, clicky, push-through like the LX2. Thanks for the video update.

patriot_man

01-14-13, 22:31

I'm speculating that there will be updates for the Scout lights from the end of the video when it say "more to upgrades come".

Also with the single cell V1 Vampire I think it is safe to say we can also could expect a single cell M300 vampire head.

buckjay

01-14-13, 22:35

I wonder if they'll ever be able to push 250 lumens with a single cell light.

To me, the M300 is the perfect size/weight.. I just wish they'd release it with 200+ lumens and I'd be set for life.

WS6

01-15-13, 00:10

I wonder if they'll ever be able to push 250 lumens with a single cell light.

To me, the M300 is the perfect size/weight.. I just wish they'd release it with 200+ lumens and I'd be set for life.

The technology is there, I bet they will. The EB1 is putting out as much/more LUX than the E2DL/M600C, so the EB1 head when it is single-mode, should do fine. I bet a single-mode makes it to the M300 very soon.

You can bet that the M600C will get a 500 lumen TIR head similar to the X300U, as they have always been "twins", and why waste the R&D for optics/etc.? Yep, both of those I would bet money on.

RyanB

01-15-13, 01:17

500 lumen Scout is what I really need.

An X400 with an IR laser (Class 1) would be awesome.

patriot_man

01-15-13, 03:19

I'm curious to what the Omni switch is on the Fury weaponlights

Edit: Also at the end of the video the handheld is an E2D so I'm assuming an ultra head for that or at least a bump up to 320 lumens like the G2X and 6PX late last year.

SeriousStudent

01-15-13, 08:59

I'd buy one of the new DSF shotgun lights, if the street price is under $300. I have one of the older 618 lights on my 870, and the newer LED lights are just so damn huge.

Are they releasing the prices at SHOT? I looked on the Surefire website, and the new lights are not listed yet.

Mak8080

01-15-13, 10:12

I'm praying they'll release that new Defender by 2014.

Spikele

01-15-13, 12:46

Is brighter always better though? What about glare? Reflection off walls?

Sensei

01-15-13, 14:30

Awesome. Is X300 Ultra obsolete now?! my local shop has had them on order3-4 months before Shot Show and now there's a new version.

Good question. I doubt that the the X300V will fit on a HK45C rail.

HKocher

01-15-13, 17:34

500 lumen Scout is what I really need.

An X400 with an IR laser (Class 1) would be awesome.

Yup, I want 500 lumen replacement heads for my scouts, not sure why they are dragging their feet on that given the popularity of the scout lineup. Better yet, an upgraded output vampire head too.

I'm also interested in the x400u and the IR version.

mkmckinley

01-15-13, 21:29

If it works like it's supposed to and Doesn't cost $800 then that X400V-IR will be great.

buckjay

01-15-13, 21:34

I wonder if there will be a new Scout head for the mini or if its just a new head for the M600. I need a new mini and if they're planning on just releasing the head I'd like to grab one already.

Korgs130

01-15-13, 22:10

I need a new mini and if they're planning on just releasing the head I'd like to grab one already.

I'm in the same boat. I emailed SureFire in October and they said they should announce something by the end of November. Still waiting patiently.

patriot_man

01-15-13, 22:20

Look here!!

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=121693

Specs on the M300V, M600V, Surefire X300V! I'm loving of the Vampire stuff coming out this year!! :D

FromMyColdDeadHand

01-15-13, 23:06

Everything isn't our from last year? Wasn't there supposed to be a high output LX2? With these really high outputs, I think the LX2s system of low/low-pressure high/high-pressure is a best way to go.

buckjay

01-15-13, 23:11

Look here!!

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=121693

Specs on the M300V, M600V, Surefire X300V! I'm loving of the Vampire stuff coming out this year!! :D

Seems like the M300V was announced last year, wasn't it?

patriot_man

01-16-13, 02:33

It was but I think we can definitely expect it to come out this year. They never mentioned the output last year AFAIK

CarbonCycles

01-16-13, 08:35

Not seeing too much new (just more lumen output), and a push of some stuff they promised in 2012 to 2013.

All I want is higher lumen scout stuff...I know TNVC has a 500 lumen scout head retrofit, but it would be nice to get everything from a single source.

badness

01-16-13, 15:49

how much of what they announced last year was actually released? I remember seeing an x300 compact that would fit on hk45c and p30 rails, however they haven't released that. They announced a flashlight that you can wear on your wrist like a watch, but they haven't released that. They announced an x400 with visible green laser instead of red, but i don't think they've released that yet either. Those were the items i was looking forward too most but they haven't released any of it.

KM223

01-16-13, 19:07

The SF 2211 Luminox wrist light is oddly something I could really use. I hope it makes it to market.

TehLlama

01-16-13, 20:04

The MV300 and X300V look like the answers to my illumination needs on my suppressed carbines. The cost probably won't be super fun, but I guess I can make some of it back on my newly obsolete SF stuff.

Only really big thing to look forward to at 2014 for this at the civvy end will be if there's a version of the ITI low IR output dual laser system that will accept a vampire head, and run on a pair of 123A's.

patriot_man

01-16-13, 22:22

Code3Patriot

01-17-13, 10:19

I'm hoping the DSF shotgun forend hits the market soon - my new Rem 870P is will not be complete without it. :D

Bulletdog

01-18-13, 01:24

In addition to product, SureFire also introduced its new training facility. It's about 15 minutes outside of Vegas. Indoor live fire pistol range. Indoor 100 yard range. Several outdoor square ranges with room for many more. Brand new simunitions house for force on force training with another on the way. They have an off road driving course, meeting rooms, air conditioned classroom, etc. seems like they will be able to cater to large military or federal units as well as classes for civilians. The facility is huge with a lot of room for expansion. I got the tour today. Pretty cool.

windigo

01-18-13, 07:01

I was hoping for the beefed up lx2. I think the pressure sensitive tail cap is the best thing going. I'd love to have one for the fury.

Shao

01-18-13, 07:30

The SF 2211 Luminox wrist light is oddly something I could really use. I hope it makes it to market.

Strangely I want one as well... I would feel like some kind of astronaut from the future on an distant planet while wearing one... Next I predict that they'll make an Android/Apple OS touchscreen version so that you can run your facebook app while conducting missions. :D

The MV300 and X300V look like the answers to my illumination needs on my suppressed carbines. The cost probably won't be super fun, but I guess I can make some of it back on my newly obsolete SF stuff.

Only really big thing to look forward to at 2014 for this at the civvy end will be if there's a version of the ITI low IR output dual laser system that will accept a vampire head, and run on a pair of 123A's.

Not excited about these - 150 lumens? IR is great it you need it, but they should have at least bumped it to 200-300 lumens.

Clem

01-18-13, 07:58

Not excited about these - 150 lumens? IR is great it you need it, but they should have at least bumped it to 200-300 lumens.

I think that would be a little too bright for indoor work.
Have you ever tried to turn on one of these while its dark and your eyes are adjusted for it.
You'll blind yourself.
And if it's got IR, wouldn't that also assume you're using NV?

Shao

01-18-13, 08:03

I think that would be a little too bright for indoor work.
Have you ever tried to turn on one of these while its dark and your eyes are adjusted for it.
You'll blind yourself.
And if it's got IR, wouldn't that also assume you're using NV?

I see your point, but 150 lumens is far what I would call blinding. Adequate maybe...

Clem

01-18-13, 08:09

I see your point, but 150 lumens is far what I would call blinding. Adequate maybe...

Yeah, I see your point too. I'm not sure why they went down to 150 when the previous version had 170.

Ironman8

01-18-13, 08:29

Yeah, I see your point too. I'm not sure why they went down to 150 when the previous version had 170.

Completely different head/diode setup. It is what it is. If you don't need IR, then there are plenty of other white light options with higher output. If you do need IR, then you either sacrifice the higher end lumen range for a dual output head like Surefire's or possibly go with a dual light setup.

FWIW, I've found that under 200 lumens to be best for indoor and over 200 best for outdoor. Not sure what is the best range for IR output...

TCBA_Joe

01-18-13, 12:53

Still no straight answer on the x400v-IR though... Probably the thing I was the most interested in.

Shao

01-18-13, 13:28

Completely different head/diode setup. It is what it is. If you don't need IR, then there are plenty of other white light options with higher output. If you do need IR, then you either sacrifice the higher end lumen range for a dual output head like Surefire's or possibly go with a dual light setup.

FWIW, I've found that under 200 lumens to be best for indoor and over 200 best for outdoor. Not sure what is the best range for IR output...

From my personal experience, I've actually found 100-120 lumens of flood to be more than adequate for indoors and 200+ lumens of a more concentrated beam good enough for most outdoor scenarios < 100 yds. That being said, a 500 lumen Fury, though mostly flood - would throw roughly as well as a properly tuned 200lumen with an optic due to the sheer output (though you will also most likely light up the surrounding area as well).

I am still at a loss as to why they couldn't have at least squeezed 200-320 lumens out of it.

yellow50

01-18-13, 13:43

whats the deal with the y300? Is that a pocket clip on a weaponlight?

Ironman8

01-18-13, 13:48

From my personal experience, I've actually found 100-120 lumens of flood to be more than adequate for indoors and 200+ lumens of a more concentrated beam good enough for most outdoor scenarios < 100 yds. That being said, a 500 lumen Fury, though mostly flood - would throw roughly as well as a properly tuned 200lumen with an optic due to the sheer output (though you will also most likely light up the surrounding area as well).

I am still at a loss as to why they couldn't have at least squeezed 200-320 lumens out of it.

I agree with you. I used the under/over 200 lumens as a generalization. I didn't say it earlier, but I do prefer to carry over 200 lumens since I don't really know what situation I'll find myself in. You can tame the "too high lumen" issue with certain lighting techniques, so my theory is better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

That's interesting about the Fury, never played with one. Might have to give it a try.

As far as the IR/White head lumen output, my guess is that the technology just isn't there yet to have super high outputs on either diode in one single head. Although, I'd hate to see the battery life if they do come out with one :eek:

Shao

01-18-13, 13:54

whats the deal with the y300? Is that a pocket clip on a weaponlight?

Methinks that is one that won't make it into production...

Shao

01-18-13, 14:01

I agree with you. I used the under/over 200 lumens as a generalization. I didn't say it earlier, but I do prefer to carry over 200 lumens since I don't really know what situation I'll find myself in. You can tame the "too high lumen" issue with certain lighting techniques, so my theory is better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

You are wise.. wasn't disagreeing, just giving my opinion. Ideally, someone needs to make an optic for the XM-L LED that focuses some of that spill light, putting more lumens into the hotspot.

As far as the IR/White head lumen output, my guess is that the technology just isn't there yet to have super high outputs on either diode in one single head. Although, I'd hate to see the battery life if they do come out with one :eek:

The technology is definitely there - no one is going to use IR and white light at the same time - so they just need to cram two LEDs into the reflector/optic, and use the same driver or a specialized dual driver. They should be able to get full output in both modes. My guess is that the IR LED can only be driven to 150 lumens, so to simplify the design, they used the same driver to power the white LED. Bad design in my opinion.

doriwoogie

01-18-13, 18:28

Does anyone know if the new dual white/ir heads still give that visible red glow in ir mode like the old ones?

patriot_man

01-19-13, 02:53

Most likely since it is LED based

FAB45

01-19-13, 17:07

I'm excited for these. The Vampire looks like a great, small EDC light option.

SMGLee

01-27-13, 21:55

Link to KAC (http://www.knightarmco.com)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110033.jpg
Trey flashing the URX 4 sign for everyone to take notice....the latest and the greatest from the famed KAC. URX 4 is ready for the big show.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110036.jpg
The new URX 4 will feature a brand new barrel nut, a more user friendly installation to boot.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110034.jpg
The biggest update other than the new design barrel nut, the new Eric Kincel design open source KeyMod attachment system is the major feature...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110037.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110038.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110039.jpg
New suppressor compatible muzzle brake

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110040.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110041.jpg
Attachment accessories...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110042.jpg
Rubberized thumb rest

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110043.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110044.jpg
Muzzle brake and flash hider...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110045.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110047.jp

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110048.jpg
Suppressor ready flash hider and two variants of the KAC updated suppressors.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110049.jpg

SMGLee

01-27-13, 22:00

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110028.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110030.jpg
Perfect for my single malt scotch......

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110050.jpg
History of Us military Sniper rifle....KAC always has great historic displays at SHOT draw directly from their famous Knight's museum---Institute of Military Technology!

Say WHAT?........

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110052.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110051.jpg

I have nothing to say!

patriot_man

01-27-13, 22:57

Wow a modern SR-47. Slick

Packman73

01-27-13, 23:07

Great pics, thanks.:cool:

doriwoogie

01-28-13, 08:09

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110051.jpg

Is this a sign of something to come this year or just brought out from the Museum with a new rail for a conversation piece? (Btw I'm referring to the SR-47)

UDT

01-28-13, 08:40

Thanks, great pics as always.

KevinB

01-28-13, 11:14

Well notice the new rail on the SR-47...

SR-47 was on the burner prior to Ban Talk - however right now the most efforts are going into making SR-15's and SR-25's

Dmaynor

01-28-13, 11:23

Great pics! I am not waiting any longer. I am getting a can for my SR-25 and my Mark-23. Hopefully I will have them by SHOT next year :(

Poomba

01-28-13, 12:52

Well notice the new rail on the SR-47...

SR-47 was on the burner prior to Ban Talk - however right now the most efforts are going into making SR-15's and SR-25's

So if the ban threat disapears we might see Sr 47s for sale?:eek:

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

SMGLee

01-28-13, 14:04

Link to Geissele Automatics (http://geissele.com/index.aspx)

Geissele is famous for their extremely well crafted combat and match triggers. the quality is unsurpassed by any measure. two year ago Geissele was tasked by CAG to develop a rail system for their in service HK 416s, and the birth of the Geissele super rail along with its sibling the Super rail for DI gas AR arrived at SHOT 2012. It was one of the coolest looking rail to come along in quite awhile, and it was featured as the OEM rail on the Haley Strategic Jack Carbine.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100939.jpg
This year Geissele too that rail one step further and release to the public their revised Mk-IV version, which is more refined, lighter and more modular then the last year design.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100935.jpg
Few points of interest...
1. the enlarged cooling slots are to reduce weight while not giving up any rigidity
2. the new collar for the lock bolts are design to be foolproof, so if you happen to strip the threads on the locking collar, you can always ha ve it replaced instead of having to replace the entire rail.
3. the light weight barrel nut has been through a patented anodizing process that is only used in high friction automotive components, this process enable Geissele to produce a lighter and more durable end product.
4. Build in sling QD swivel points
5. Relief cuts all around the rail to lighten even more weight.
6. the rail to receiver interface are redesigned to maintain the rigid interface but at the same time reduce more weight.

Overall, this is one of the BEST rail design i have seen in a long time, it is definitely worth your investment for your next carbine build.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100936.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100941.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100938.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100964.jpg
Mk-IV compare to last year's desgin....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100966.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100967.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100950.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100953.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100955.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100957.jpg
The light weight profile cut was done by Geissele, but don't run off just yet to contact Geissele on this barrel, they are not in the barrel business....yet!

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100959.jpg

SMGLee

01-28-13, 14:12

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100961.jpg
The rail that started all, this rail is now factory equipped at HK prior to delivery to 1st SFOD-D in both the 14.5" and the 10.5" version.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100962.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100963.jpg
To fit it over your current MR or 416s, you will have to cut off the useless sling loop in the gas block.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100945.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100948.jpg
Haley Strategic in collaboration with Bravo company USA, the Haley JACK carbine....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100930.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100932.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100934.jpg
Geissele's own gas block design.....

SMGLee

01-28-13, 14:16

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100916.jpg
The 6 Second Mount, design at the request of a tier one unit that conduct a lot of hostage rescue work. this was requested for work in long and confined hallway such as a fuselage....6 second to get in and engaged and eliminate threat on demand.....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100921.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100922.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100917.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100920.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100928.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100927.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100923.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100924.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100918.jpg

C45P312

01-28-13, 15:08

Does the gas block have 2 set screws at the bottom and a pin that goes through a existing slot for a FSB?

Trajan

01-28-13, 15:12

That T-1 Glock mount looks awesome. Should eliminate the issue of tracking the dot.

Boss Hogg

01-28-13, 15:14

The amount of engineering that went into the Glock optic/light chassis was stunning. What's noteworthy of that design is that the incredible G forces that are placed in an optic mounted directly on a pistol slide are almost non-existent, since it's on the frame.

Their gas block also looks great.

Magic_Salad0892

01-28-13, 15:42

SR-47 was on the burner

That's what I call a win.

Bolt_Overide

01-28-13, 18:27

SR-47....

Where do I send the monies?!

Brown_Bear

01-28-13, 18:31

Well notice the new rail on the SR-47...

SR-47 was on the burner prior to Ban Talk - however right now the most efforts are going into making SR-15's and SR-25's

An SR-47 would be the greatest thing to happen in my life.

Magic_Salad0892

01-28-13, 18:37

As was once said by the great Fri...

"Shut up and take my money!"

Vash1023

01-28-13, 18:39

ditto,

shut up and take my money

obucina

01-28-13, 18:40

seeing this thread gets me all geeked up over the SR15 ill be picking up soon!

Kevin, is there a ballpark price on the flash hider and muzzle brake?

Vash1023

01-28-13, 18:45

jesus, are they gonna design a holster for that monstrosity????

mtdawg169

01-28-13, 19:06

seeing this thread gets me all geeked up over the SR15 ill be picking up soon!

Kevin, is there a ballpark price on the flash hider and muzzle brake?

Flash Hider is approx $96, MAMS muzzle brake is $299.

מגן ולא יראה

01-28-13, 19:35

Just release SR47 to market.....please.

Caeser25

01-28-13, 19:56

As was once said by the great Fri...

"Shut up and take my money!"

Beat me to it.

TCBA_Joe

01-28-13, 20:24

So if the ban threat disapears we might see Sr 47s for sale?:eek:

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2
That'd be awesome:dance3:

Probably couldn't afford it, but it'd be awesome

SMGLee

01-28-13, 20:29

This really has nothing to do with SHOT....but i have this oldie but goodie picture........This gun belong to a famed instructor/ex-CAG operator.....he got this rail while he was still in Delta...brought it out to one of our class last year. it did brought back some The other AR forum memories for me.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100452.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100454.jpg

cankicker01

01-28-13, 21:09

Is there a MSRP/ release date for the new .300 Blackout gun. That thing really got my attention?

SMGLee

01-28-13, 23:25

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100771.jpg
The Keymod VIS was behind the cover at last year's SHOT, Vltor made it official this year at SHOT.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100772.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100773.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100774.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100769.jpg
This is the USMC M16A4 PIP entry.....KeyMod VIS with A5 MOD stock...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100766.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100767.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100775.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100776.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100777.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100778.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100779.jpg

SMGLee

01-28-13, 23:26

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100780.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100782.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100783.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100785.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100787.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100790.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100793.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100794.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100799.jpg

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SMGLee

01-29-13, 00:10

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110340.jpg

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Lovely ladies from LMT proudly posing with their LMT LM8 long rifle...

SMGLee

01-29-13, 00:16

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100840.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100836.jpg
Tangodown's unique out of box design, front sight post that house a Surefire X300.....genius!

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100841.jpg
Design by a local LA shooter, the IO cover is a great design to eliminate the hated and often lost OEM bikini cover.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100842.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100843.jpg

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srshooter

01-29-13, 00:42

The history of the sniper rifle display is neat.

The M21 is a pretty significant missing component. It was probably the closest thing to the "weapon theory" predecessor of the SR25- bringing Night vision, sound suppressor, optical sighting, and gas operation into one widely fielded sniper weapon system for the first time.

nickdrak

01-29-13, 01:26

That Glock Magwell F'ing rules. I need one for a Gen4 G34 NOW!!!!

patriot_man

01-29-13, 01:37

MarkG

01-29-13, 02:43

A cast/MIM gas block. Interesting...

Does the gas block have 2 set screws at the bottom and a pin that goes through a existing slot for a FSB?

It appears it does.

Brahmzy

01-29-13, 07:39

I like that KeyMod QD socket. Looks a little more lower-pro the the Noveskes.

Dave L.

01-29-13, 07:59

Seems like that heat shield would be counter-productive and retain heat.

Is it removable?

DMR

01-29-13, 08:08

Any ideal when the Keymod VIS will be released? I'm been holding off on a build pending the release of this. Last I spoke to Noveske they didn't expect this to move forward.

Called the source, April + is the estimate. I just sacraficed 1 Noveske VIS upper on the alter for this. Second Noveske VIS upper has been given the warning order. Been waiting for several months to put this together. Will have twin 16" DMR's built out of these.

Todd if you can get Sheri to put me back in line for this......

militarymoron

01-29-13, 08:26

Seems like that heat shield would be counter-productive and retain heat.

Is it removable?

it's riveted in - same as on the current VIS.

Dave L.

01-29-13, 08:31

it's riveted in - same as on the current VIS.

Gotcha. Thanks (it's obvious have never seen the inside of the current VIS).

How does it handle dissipating the heat?

Neo Mara

01-29-13, 10:28

Any idea if the Glock mount will be made for large frame psitols?

leibermuster

01-29-13, 14:41

Great Pics SMG as always...

I just got word my KAC lower is on route...:dance3:

Will pick up a KAC upper sometime this year in 14.5 i think...

KAC always at the Apex...

KevinB

01-29-13, 15:22

d90king

01-29-13, 15:43

Really looking forward to checking out the URX 4! Its great to see John's key-mod being used within the industry. I'm sure he was very proud of that accomplishment.

How far out are the URX 4's?

Thanks for the thread SMG!

mtdawg169

01-29-13, 16:05

d90king

01-29-13, 17:56

Did John design keymod or Eric at Vltor?

That is a great point... I assumed since Noveske introduced it and brought it to market that they designed it. I don't remember Vltor being involved in many of the threads when it was being brought to market but I could have easily missed it.

For some reason I thought this was one of John's pet projects but that could be off the mark. I was surprised to see it pop up with another AR manufacturer, as that certainly would dilute any market share that you might have enjoyed as the sole company offering it. I think I saw a bolt gun company offering it also.

jaxman7

01-29-13, 18:02

Did John design keymod or Eric at Vltor?

Very curious as to this question myself mt. For some reason I imagined John coming up with the idea and him and Eric perfecting it. Where that thought camefrom cannot be backed up.

-Jax

mtdawg169

01-29-13, 18:44

That is a great point... I assumed since Noveske introduced it and brought it to market that they designed it. I don't remember Vltor being involved in many of the threads when it was being brought to market but I could have easily missed it.

For some reason I thought this was one of John's pet projects but that could be off the mark. I was surprised to see it pop up with another AR manufacturer, as that certainly would dilute any market share that you might have enjoyed as the sole company offering it. I think I saw a bolt gun company offering it also.

I think Vltor introduced it and released the specs as "open source" to be used by other manufacturers. I just don't know where the concept originated or if Noveske played a role vs being an early adopter.

Edit: found it

http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=109706

CodeRed30

01-29-13, 20:47

jesus, are they gonna design a holster for that monstrosity????

Where there's a will, there's a way. Just like the HK M320s had a dropleg holster designed for 'em.

MarkG

01-29-13, 21:03

jesus, are they gonna design a holster for that monstrosity????

This is the reason the whole "design(ed) at the request of a tier one unit that conducts a lot of hostage rescue work" reeks of tier one bullshit. That mount is little more than an adaptation of one of the myriad of USPSA Open Class optics mounts that have been available for years.

TCBA_Joe

01-29-13, 21:17

Here is the 2013 catalog:

http://www.surefire.com/media/wysiwyg/main_site_pdfs/2013_WeaponLight_Brochure_ps.pdf

Somewhat disappointed at the low white light output of the M300V as I was lead to believe it was going to 200 lumens but it's still something.
:confused: Those lights don't look like the ones shown at SHOT. No x300v, x400v-IR. The m300v should have a higher output.

Those look like the ones shown at last years SHOT. I'll be severely disappointed if that catalog is this years lineup. I was planning on a couple of the new V lights from SF, but I'll skip it if the lights in that catalog are what will be available this year.

d90king

01-29-13, 21:40

I think Vltor introduced it and released the specs as "open source" to be used by other manufacturers. I just don't know where the concept originated or if Noveske played a role vs being an early adopter.

Edit: found it

http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=109706

Thanks for that! Much appreciated.

ALCOAR

01-29-13, 21:50

This is the reason the whole "design(ed) at the request of a tier one unit that conducts a lot of hostage rescue work" reeks of tier one bullshit. That mount is little more than an adaptation of one of the myriad of USPSA Open Class optics mounts that have been available for years.

If your gonna call bullshit on an outfit like Geissele in regards to their reasoning behind a design, than you better be sporting the goods to back up your bullshit claim.

If ALG said that was the reason it was brought to the market, then I most certainly believe it given Geissele/ALG's impeccable record for being honest, and overall transparent. If you knew the history of ALG, and Geissele it would make perfect sense to you, as ALG's primary mission as a company is to make kit exactly like that glock mount, and the ALG triggers.....or kit geared specifically for LEO/Mil requirements.

Do you doubt the several other specific tier one requests for kit from Geissele such as the HK rails, or SSF triggers?

For the record, Geissele and ALG don't have a marketing department or even an employee dedicated to doing marketing for their products.

SMGLee

01-29-13, 22:54

JoJunior

01-30-13, 02:45

Now I am going to save $ for a Glock 17 FDE.

And will get a Bill's mount on it :dance3:

ruf

01-30-13, 03:01

Looks like you got there before I did! I arrived on day 2 and swapped it out for the final production sample with the ultra-matte finish (no gloss)!

http://m4carbine.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15129&d=1359536429

ruf

01-30-13, 03:02

Did you get any pics of the LM8 slick systems? The 13" LM8 MWS was awesome...

patriot_man

01-30-13, 05:39

Hmmm not too sure what's going on. I did notice in the SHOT Day 1,2,3 thread that the white light lumens was blacked out with a sharpie out for the M300V so I am thinking it was a typo at SHOT.

Also the lack of X300V, X400V is something I noticed too. Maybe the catalog isn't updated? So many questions yet no answers. I guess they want us to sit tight until they release the new stuff.

MarkG

01-30-13, 09:06

I would concur with you about Tier one bull shit marketing if it was anyone else, but Bill Geissele is a stand up guy and vetted by industry heavyweights. Mr Geissele developed the HK 416 rail at the request of Delta, and now Delta is having their guns deliver from HK with the Geissele rail pre-installed.

If Bill tells me this Glock mount is designed at the request of a tier one unit that does a lot of hostage work, I would wholeheartedly believe him.

I certainly can't argue the facts of a first hand conversation. I can question his incentive for making the statement. Unfortunately, only he can provide an answer. My skepticism is driven more by economics than anything else. Geissele is in business to make money. Removing the commercial market from the equation, how many hundreds of those mounts will he have to make and sell to tier one types to recoup his R&D costs let alone make a profit. That prototype could have cost $10K if you honestly consider the true time/machine/material costs. He is going to have to sell a lot of them to get back to zero. There just aren't enough tier one types that are going to adopt the mount to make that happen. With the economics of the mount out of the way, we can move on to first impressions.

It's going to need a dump pouch for a holster. The primary and only sight requires a battery. Why does it need a blast deflector when it doesn't have a compensator? Why do you need a magazine well for a "six second" run? The mount itself is not slaved to the slide but secured to a polymer frame that is subject to intense firing cycle physics. How long will it hold a zero?

... as ALG's primary mission as a company is to make kit exactly like that glock mount, and the ALG triggers.....or kit geared specifically for LEO/Mil requirements.

Really?

The AGL mission statement says:

Triggers designed for those shooters where tradition, value and regulatory concerns are of primary importance.

Translated: I like OEM triggers, I'm to cheap to buy a Geissele and I like to spend my free time writing letters to the ATF Technology Branch.

How did you get "kit geared specifically for LEO/Mil requirements" out of their mission statement.

I'd be willing to bet that 99.8% of Geissele's production capacity is sold to the commercial market. Any business model that is MIL/LE oriented is going to fail, period. There isn't enough of it and pricing invovles entering a race to the bottom.

Do you doubt the several other specific tier one requests for kit from Geissele such as the HK rails, or SSF triggers?

Doubt has nothing to do with it. I don't care.

For the record, Geissele and ALG don't have a marketing department or even an employee dedicated to doing marketing for their products.

Geissele manufactures high quality parts and by all accounts has a great reputation in the business. I think we can agree that at this point, their reputation alone will carry the business model. Geissele has no reason to play the "Tier One" card. I personally could care ****ing less about tier one anything. In most cases, I run from ANY company that chooses to use it because it doesn't resonate well with me.

Tell me my business model isn't a winner: Build good stuff, support your product and STFU = Win

SMGLee

01-30-13, 11:34

Shooter07

01-30-13, 11:48

What are the opinions on the new SOCOM line of Sup's? Anyone have any range time?

Jim D

01-30-13, 12:09

I certainly can't argue the facts of a first hand conversation. I can question his incentive for making the statement. Unfortunately, only he can provide an answer. My skepticism is driven more by economics than anything else. Geissele is in business to make money. Removing the commercial market from the equation, how many hundreds of those mounts will he have to make and sell to tier one types to recoup his R&D costs let alone make a profit. That prototype could have cost $10K if you honestly consider the true time/machine/material costs. He is going to have to sell a lot of them to get back to zero. There just aren't enough tier one types that are going to adopt the mount to make that happen. With the economics of the mount out of the way, we can move on to first impressions.

What you don't realize is that JSOC will write a check to develop a prototype. That's how they get holsters developed for some of these unique items (like the X400 on a Glock 22 {the only X400 fit safariland offers} or the mini-RDS ALS prototypes). A lot of products are brought to the commercial market after Uncle Sugar fronted the start up costs to get what they wanted.

It's going to need a dump pouch for a holster. The primary and only sight requires a battery. Why does it need a blast deflector when it doesn't have a compensator? Why do you need a magazine well for a "six second" run? The mount itself is not slaved to the slide but secured to a polymer frame that is subject to intense firing cycle physics. How long will it hold a zero?

Bill's mount looks a hell of a lot more secure and rugged than the rest of the frame mounted optics mounts available. Durability (or the lack there of) with slide mounted optics has proved to be a concern, hence the interest in Aimpoint RDS sights and reducing the forces upon them. The holster concerns only hammer home the fact that it wasn't developed the commercial market.

Really?

The AGL mission statement says:

Triggers designed for those shooters where tradition, value and regulatory concerns are of primary importance.

Translated: I like OEM triggers, I'm to cheap to buy a Geissele and I like to spend my free time writing letters to the ATF Technology Branch.

How did you get "kit geared specifically for LEO/Mil requirements" out of their mission statement.

I'd be willing to bet that 99.8% of Geissele's production capacity is sold to the commercial market. Any business model that is MIL/LE oriented is going to fail, period. There isn't enough of it and pricing invovles entering a race to the bottom.
I've talked to dozens of guys who had Geissele triggers in their issued rifles. Why do you think they offer parts for the SCAR-17 and the HK416? It's because they're getting requests from units that will pay for them.

As for their being no money in LE... that's false. I do LE sales and our numbers are WAY up this year. LE sales are pretty recession proof. Bad guys still need to be shot and locked up even when the economy is in the toilet.

Doubt has nothing to do with it. I don't care.

Geissele manufactures high quality parts and by all accounts has a great reputation in the business. I think we can agree that at this point, their reputation alone will carry the business model. Geissele has no reason to play the "Tier One" card. I personally could care ****ing less about tier one anything. In most cases, I run from ANY company that chooses to use it because it doesn't resonate well with me.

Tell me my business model isn't a winner: Build good stuff, support your product and STFU = Win

You don't have to believe it, but the bottom line is that the most demanding and best trained and equipped unit in the world prefers his triggers to other "match" triggers on the market. That speaks volumes when you have companies like KAC and LMT that already have .mil contracts for their equipment, yet Bill still gets their business for triggers.

Bill's equipment has been vetted under worse circumstances than 99% of us will ever face... that's something to be proud of, and I can't fault him one bit for being honest about it.

Biggy

01-30-13, 13:17

I hope they decide to come out with a Super Tricon "E" version trigger. I think "I" would like the trigger bow profile with the rounded edges, slight curve and serrations more than the "D" series trigger profile.

SMGLee

01-30-13, 14:13

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110537.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110539.jpg
1911 Rail gun

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Colt Competition with a flared mag well and a billet receiver.

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Interesting rifle from Colt Defense....looks like a rail less 6940 with extended section and an adjustable DI gas tube.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110772.jpg

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Kenneth

01-30-13, 14:18

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Looks great!

Lol

SMGLee

01-30-13, 14:20

Looks great!

Lol

Be Patient grasshopper!

Kenneth

01-30-13, 14:24

Interesting color pics for sure. That rail on the gold rifle looks interesting. I also like that lower with the flares mag well. My next build will include a flared magazine lower and a billet upper.

RHINOWSO

01-30-13, 18:49

If Bill tells me this Glock mount is designed at the request of a tier one unit that does a lot of hostage work, I would wholeheartedly believe him.
Geissele is a solid company with an impeccable reputation, so I have no doubt that if they say a product was requested by a Tier one unit, it was in fact requested.

WRT making money, I'm sure if it was requested by a unit, there is a contract vehicle / money behind it for R&D and production.

Dano5326

01-30-13, 19:23

I have 80K rds on one of Bill's triggers... w/o issue, while burning through several carbines. At this time, best in class period.

While milling ones slide, and adding a red dot of some sort, may be the rage among some. As you burn through high rd counts, on a slide mounted dot. you will get an optic failure. None are sufficiently robust to be counted on indefinitely.

Also a much more consistent sight picture is presented w/o optic cycling to & fro. The displayed product meets a professional requirement, although likely not yours.

The organizations that pay for specialized equipment.. pay what's required for low rate specialized equipment. It's not charity. The vendors agile enough to meet these requirements will also benefit from massive institutional knowledge and rd counts unheard of elsewhere.

It's clear MK18 pilot flies his mouth more than a CQBR. I'd suggest pondering more, typing less.

ejskle

01-30-13, 19:32

Great pics, as always. Did they give you any more information about the "extended, modular 6940", such as a release date?

xrayoneone

01-30-13, 19:41

og556

01-30-13, 20:08

Will this mount for the Glock be available to civilians ? This looks very interesting.

SMGLee

01-30-13, 20:43

Not to derail the previous posts, and I know this was just put out, but did SMGLee get any trigger time with the Glock? Did anyone? I ask because I dig it but I know there were reliability issues with Glocks and hanging lights off them. Also how accurate would that mount be attached to a plastic rail?

Not trying to start any BS. I'm honestly curious regarding the long term viability of the mount.

I did not have any trigger time on it, but i did spend fair amount of finger f78king time on it. I love the way it looks, and what normal guy doesn't with this kind of machine work on a gun part? but would I buy one to use on my Glock, as I shoot mostly local USPSA and IDPA matches, I would have no use in the production class I shoot in. but if I have the cash to build a my Glock is cooler than your Glock Glock.....It would be tops on my choice along with gunsmithing work done by ATEi.....

Jim D

01-30-13, 21:05

Not to derail the previous posts, and I know this was just put out, but did SMGLee get any trigger time with the Glock? Did anyone? I ask because I dig it but I know there were reliability issues with Glocks and hanging lights off them. Also how accurate would that mount be attached to a plastic rail?

Not trying to start any BS. I'm honestly curious regarding the long term viability of the mount.

Competition shooters have been running frame mounts for optics on Glocks for years.

Reliability issues with lights being attached have been fixed through a number of upgrades to the magazine assembly, as well as in the introduction of the Gen4 40's.

I'm sure accuracy exceeds what the end user with factory ammo is typically capable of.

RXM

01-30-13, 21:23

Bill's equipment has been vetted under worse circumstances than 99% of us will ever face... that's something to be proud of, and I can't fault him one bit for being honest about it.

This pretty much sums it up. Unless someone's personally been inside GA, specifically Bill's office, I would suggest that you keep your assumptions of what goes on behind closed doors to yourself. Anyone that knows Bill will tell you he is as straight arrow as they come and will attest to his character.

I got a good chuckle reading this thread.

And where did that $10k number come from? You'd be surprised how cheap it is to make a prototype on a 3D printer. Just saying...

ridgerunner70

01-30-13, 22:08

Will the mag well be able to be mounted on your EDC Glocks?

RyanB

01-30-13, 22:29

RyanB

01-30-13, 22:30

Simply look at the Geissele 416 rail, how many MR556 or how many 416 are in use? how many SFOD-D operators are in serivice to fulfill the demand for Bill to pull even on his investment? I don't think there is enough 416s in Delta to help Geissele come out on top on this venture. Most likely he will not recoup the cost of developing the 416 rail, but Bill at the request of the Unit, jump at the chance to do something for them. In the end something good came out of it, his Super rail for AR were an off shoot of that project, and he could likely make money with the rail for the DI market. so as you debate the point of dollar and cents, I just don't think that statement could stand with a man like Bill....

I would expect that he gave them a quote and they cut a check. Custom kit costs custom money.

xrayoneone

01-30-13, 22:48

Thanks for the reply. I can't use it for work but I've been looking at a race gun Bianchi type setup.

RHINOWSO

01-30-13, 22:58

Mk18 Pilot obviously fails to understand the SOCOM business model, the usually get what they want - and while the sky may not be the limit on pricing, Geissele triggers don't have to worry about being underbid by a RRA march trigger. :D

ruf

01-31-13, 01:40

Not SMGLee quality, but here are some pics I snagged of the TangoDown iO Cover from other booths at SHOT. :)

http://m4carbine.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15155&d=1359617952
http://m4carbine.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15156&d=1359617962
http://m4carbine.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15157&d=1359617969
http://m4carbine.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15158&d=1359617993

DMR

01-31-13, 09:23

Is it possible to just get the M962LT 700 lumen head to upgrade my M962? Looks like my new carbine will be sporting a 500 lumen M600 Ultra(if I can find one that is).

kmrtnsn

01-31-13, 09:44

Ruf,

Are the LF suggested adjustment arrows going to make it to the production version?

K

ruf

01-31-13, 17:19

Ruf,

Are the LF suggested adjustment arrows going to make it to the production version?

KUnfortunately, no. Nothing a paint pen won't fix. Trying to keep it super simple.

ICANHITHIMMAN

01-31-13, 17:49

So did LMT bring anything new? Just more waiting?

patriot_man

01-31-13, 22:06

Shao

02-01-13, 07:25

Not too sure, best to call Surefire. Don't email :p

Also from word of mouth I am hearing that the Surefire 2013 catalog online wasn't the one actually given out at SHOT. Apparently numbers are updated and more products that we have been expecting. Can anyone confirm?

Yes, don't ever e-mail Surefire. In all of my years dealing with them I think I got one e-mail response back. Calling will always get results.
Now here's a link that you all may find interesting:

http://www.surefire.com/media/wysiwyg/main_site_pdfs/

TCBA_Joe

02-01-13, 12:36

Yes, don't ever e-mail Surefire. In all of my years dealing with them I think I got one e-mail response back. Calling will always get results.
Now here's a link that you all may find interesting:

http://www.surefire.com/media/wysiwyg/main_site_pdfs/

That's the same weapon-light PDF above.

According to Vic over on ARF, the x400v-IR is classIIIb:(

patriot_man

02-01-13, 15:48

That's the same weapon-light PDF above.

According to Vic over on ARF, the x400v-IR is classIIIb:(

that's just great. lol :rolleyes:

trinydex

02-02-13, 00:11

what's that front sight from tangodown called?

militarymoron

02-02-13, 11:30

what's that front sight from tangodown called?

FFA-01 (front sight flashlight adapter)

EzGoingKev

02-02-13, 14:52

Why does it need a blast deflector

I was wondering about the purpose of the deflector piece too.

Bill's equipment has been vetted under worse circumstances than 99% of us will ever face... that's something to be proud of, and I can't fault him one bit for being honest about it.

This is why I put an SSA in my rifle.

And with all the talk about parts being made at the request of "tier one" units, hopefully one of the will ask Bill to make an SSA trigger for the Glock platform.

SMGLee

02-03-13, 14:39

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SMGLee

02-03-13, 14:41

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110387.jpg

scottryan

02-03-13, 15:38

Nice pictures.

But when is that stuff going to be for sale?

Its the same stuff we have been looking at for 3 years now.

thompson1774

02-03-13, 15:40

Isn't that R-50 Sniper Rifle a copy of the riflemade by E.D.M?
:confused:

JBecker 72

02-03-13, 15:55

Nice pictures.

But when is that stuff going to be for sale?

Its the same stuff we have been looking at for 3 years now.

Seriously, all this cool shit that is just vaporware.

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SPARTAN HOPLITE ARMS

02-03-13, 16:02

I was wondering about the purpose of the deflector piece.
I'm guessing it's there for the comped Glocks such as the 17C. Protect the optic. The whole package looks robust and hopefully will be available eventually. I'd give it a try.

dogtown

02-03-13, 16:08

Isn't that R-50 Sniper Rifle a copy of the riflemade by E.D.M?
:confused:

More likely licensed from EDM. I brought this up in another thread last week as Bill has licensed different versions of the Windrunner to other manufacturers in the past. This is one is pretty much the latest and greatest M96 with the new magazine well configuration and forend.

ridgerunner70

02-03-13, 16:20

I'm guessing it's there for the comped Glocks such as the 17C. Protect the optic. The whole package looks robust and hopefully will be available eventually. I'd give it a try.

I will be interested in this as well as the mag well..

el_chingoton13

02-03-13, 17:48

I was interested in the magwell for IDPA but it looks like it uses a brass plug to attach it in the second to the last pic.

ridgerunner70

02-03-13, 17:53

I was interested in the magwell for IDPA but it looks like it uses a brass plug to attach it in the second to the last pic.

Are you saying this is not good then??

Spooky130

02-03-13, 18:58

More likely licensed from EDM. I brought this up in another thread last week as Bill has licensed different versions of the Windrunner to other manufacturers in the past. This is one is pretty much the latest and greatest M96 with the new magazine well configuration and forend.

If you enlarge the picture you can see it was built by EDM.

gun71530

02-03-13, 19:37

Are they going to start selling the MSR chassis?

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el_chingoton13

02-03-13, 20:27

NeoNeanderthal

02-03-13, 21:08

I could make a holster for a glock with that mount easily and I am very amateur working with kydex. Raven or PerSec could bust them out easily. Without a weapon-mounted light retention is on the trigger guard and with one, it is on the light itself. You would just need to form an extra large holster with ample room for the optic/mount to clear.

I think the coolest part of this mount is not having to modify your gun! (plus no reciprocating optic)

Razorhunter

02-03-13, 23:53

I look at all the pictures above and all I see is that taupe -ish colored Magul stoc. Anyone know if magpul is making new shades of fde or did Remington coat that stock themselves???

1-75ranger

02-04-13, 01:11

Great pictures, thanks for all your hard work. I really like the stuff they have but it will never be for sale.

Dave L.

02-04-13, 02:34

Seriously, all this cool shit that is just vaporware.

Exactly what I thought looking through the pictures.

Bowser

02-04-13, 02:59

I asked one of the Remington reps about the 2010 and when it will be released for the civilian market. He just said they were working on it. lol

Littlelebowski

02-04-13, 07:33

I'd be willing to bet that 99.8% of Geissele's production capacity is sold to the commercial market. Any business model that is MIL/LE oriented is going to fail, period. There isn't enough of it and pricing invovles entering a race to the bottom.

Ever heard of "Knight's Armament?"

Magic_Salad0892

02-04-13, 07:58

Ever heard of "Knight's Armament?"

Or "Heckler and Koch".

Or "Colt Defense".

gun71530

02-04-13, 12:00

I asked one of the Remington reps about the 2010 and when it will be released for the civilian market. He just said they were working on it. lol

So what I gather is.... Not going to happen.

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SMGLee

02-04-13, 13:10

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110401.jpg
Developed by request for operator to be able to have the weapon accessible while riding on a motorcycle and also for close in vehicle operation.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110402.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110403.jpg

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110418.jpg
LWRC has been consistently represented each and every year with their fine workmanship, the attention to detail in every facet of their machining and the overall one of the best craftsmanship in the industry.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110419.jpg
I have been a owner of a LWRC IC-SPR for the past three months, it is simple amazing when you hold the rifle in your hand, examine every little detail int he construction of the gun. This is by far the most well made gun I have seen in a very long time. the detail to their machine work on the lower, the upper and finish, it is almost like looking at fine art. I was never was a huge fan of a piston gun nor LWRC, not until three months ago. the IC-SPC changed my mind as how well this piston gun shoots, and lack of front end heaviness and the accuracy of the hammer forged barrel. and most of all, the lack of cleaning was simply amazing.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110417.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110416.jpg

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SMGLee

02-04-13, 13:11

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110426.jpg
Speically developed platform dedicated to the 6.8 munition.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110427.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110428.jpg
Even the magazine is redesigned and re-engineered for optimal operation for the 6.8 cartridge.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110430.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110434.jpg

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Updated this year are the ambi receiver.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110431.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110436.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110440.jpg
6.8mm flash hider

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110441.jpg

fallenromeo

02-04-13, 13:11

Does anyone know what the expected price of the Geiselle gas block is?

RXM

02-04-13, 13:31

$59.00

http://geissele.com/supergasblock.aspx

TCBA_Joe

02-04-13, 20:26

Seriously, all this cool shit that is just vaporware.

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Yup. For the few positive reviews of the GPC, there's still no release on the horizon.

CodeRed30

02-04-13, 21:13

I love LWRCi's stuff. Not sure why they get such a bad rap around here.

rdbse

02-04-13, 21:49

Great pics!

Really digging that dual sided charging handle. Anyone have info on this?

VIP3R 237

02-04-13, 22:21

So did LMT bring anything new? Just more waiting?

Waiting is the correct word. LMT told us that some of their products are back ordered until 2015

VIP3R 237

02-04-13, 22:29

History of Us military Sniper rifle....KAC always has great historic displays at SHOT draw directly from their famous Knight's museum---Institute of Military Technology!

This was one of my favorite displays of the show. Also the manufacturing video they had by the couch kept me in awe for a good 20 minutes.

Kevin, any ETA on URX4's?

Magic_Salad0892

02-05-13, 04:14

I love LWRCi's stuff. Not sure why they get such a bad rap around here.

They used to make alt accounts and talk about how amazing they were back on AR15.com. (Back when they made a bunch of lemons and were Leitner Wise Rifle Co.)

They've improved since then, but to the best of my knowledge they kept the employees that did shit like that.

I owned their rifles in the past, and had no issues, but wouldn't buy them again since switching to DI guns.

Dave L.

02-05-13, 05:47

FFA-01 (front sight flashlight adapter)

Does this thing work with the X300 Ultra also?

calengor

02-05-13, 06:52

They used to make alt accounts and talk about how amazing they were back on AR15.com. (Back when they made a bunch of lemons and were Leitner Wise Rifle Co.)

They've improved since then, but to the best of my knowledge they kept the employees that did shit like that.

I owned their rifles in the past, and had no issues, but wouldn't buy them again since switching to DI guns.

Mr. Leitner-Wise was forced out of the company when that happened, and the new owners kept the initials LWRC, which changed into land warfare resource corporation.

Col_Crocs

02-05-13, 07:20

Nice little stock... I wonder how much it will cost by itself when it comes out.

Magic_Salad0892

02-05-13, 08:08

Mr. Leitner-Wise was forced out of the company when that happened, and the new owners kept the initials LWRC, which changed into land warfare resource corporation.

Yeah, but they got stuck with the bad reputation. And it took them a while to smooth out the problems with their design.

(And Leitner Wise has a new rifle company anyway.)

militarymoron

02-05-13, 08:37

Does this thing work with the X300 Ultra also?

no - the bezel of the ultra won't fit in the recess. i'd like to see it accommodate the ultra as well.

Dave L.

02-05-13, 09:04

no - the bezel of the ultra won't fit in the recess. i'd like to see it accommodate the ultra as well.

Bummer, I needed an excuse to buy an Ultra ;)

mtdawg169

02-05-13, 09:06

This was one of my favorite displays of the show. Also the manufacturing video they had by the couch kept me in awe for a good 20 minutes.

Kevin, any ETA on URX4's?

I think Kevin may have said June in a thread somewhere else.

calengor

02-05-13, 20:08

Yeah, but they got stuck with the bad reputation. And it took them a while to smooth out the problems with their design.

(And Leitner Wise has a new rifle company anyway.)

I was replying to the idea that the employees responsible for the intertube shenanigans were still around. But you're right, that haunted them for a while.

I've owned 2 LWRCi guns which worked just fine for me in my limited experience. An M6A3, which I let go in order to buy a SCAR16, and a UCIW, which I currently own.

The piston design didn't do anything on the 16" barrel rifle other than ease of cleaning vs. my DI rifles, but it works quite nicely with the 8" barrel on the UCIW, and the ease of cleaning is nice.

I'm really looking forward to trying out one of their new ambidextrous lowers, that might move me back into a 16" piston gun. Although, there are rumors that they might come out with DI rifles as well. I know the 300BLK they showed last year was DI design.

militarymoron

02-05-13, 22:05

Bummer, I needed an excuse to buy an Ultra ;)

well, you know, it's always possible that i might have made a mistake when i tried it with the ultra. you should buy one to verify my info, just to be sure. ;)

ruf

02-06-13, 20:51

Bore it out. :)

Seriously, can't you just mount the U-boat a little rearward? Or will that cause too much splash of the front sight?

militarymoron

02-06-13, 21:23

not enough material to bore it out. it'd compromise the sight more than i'd feel comfortable with.
mounting it rearward results in the sight looking like a 'ring of fire'. 500 lumens illuminating something 0.1" in front of it - definitely a no-go.

LRB45

02-08-13, 06:15

Waiting is the correct word. LMT told us that some of their products are back ordered until 2015

I just had a LMT SBR ordered yesterday from my NFA dealer and he was quoted a four year wait.

SMGLee

02-08-13, 17:50

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110303.jpg
Updated version o fthe KRISS sub gun....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110322.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110320.jpg
Revised stock assembly

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110300.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100301.jpg
Civilian carbine version

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Last year, i shot about ten rounds out of this pistol, I left with some reservation, this year, i had the pleasure of putting some rounds down range, after a few magazines, it completely changed my mind as to the capability of this pistol....

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Out of box at 1800.00, this CZ based 9mm pistol possesses all the attributes of a production class competition pistol. light crisp trigger, accuracy, and very well mannered recoil....this is one pistol youo can buy straight from a gun shop and take it to compete in an USPSA match.

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Kriss has linked up with KWA, one of the most reputable airsoft manufacture on the market. the KWA guns are so similiar to the real thing it is amazing to compare the two.
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Airsoft Kriss traning SMG on the right.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110313.jpg
KWA vs Sphinx

chainring

02-08-13, 20:44

Nice pics - looking forward to the IC and the new lowers. I've been shooting LWRC since 2009 and they make a fine machine.

SMGLee

02-08-13, 23:00

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100802.jpg
Modeled by Stephen Hillard, the male super model at BFG!

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100803.jpg
The new collaboration between Costa Ludus and BFG, a covert back pack with quick access to the interior compartment with ability to hold a holstered pistol and spare mags.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100804.jpg

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100807.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100808.jpg
Lightweight plate carrier

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I have been running this plate carrier for the past year in various classes offered by Alias Training. the single strap holding the front and rear plate together was enough but not as secured as I would like.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100823.jpg

SMGLee

02-08-13, 23:01

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100826.jpg
The new cool guy color represented by the new Battleship grey....

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100831.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100832.jpg
Conceal chest rig, BFG do things in style, notice the super fashionable Boss jacket on the display....

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100816.jpg
World Famous Larry Vickers signing autograph at the BFG booth....

SMGLee

02-08-13, 23:51

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100610.jpg
Samson's version of the full size VFG and the stubby. a metal version of the KAC style stud locks into a propitiatory rail interface.

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100616.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100607.jpg
Prototype QD mount under development at Samson.

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100609.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100629.jpg

SMGLee

02-08-13, 23:53

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100598.jpg
Samson's version of the full size VFG and the stubby. a metal version of the KAC style stud locks into a propitiatory rail interface.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100599.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100603.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100604.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100606.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100619.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100620.jpg
Prototype QD mount under development at Samson.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100621.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100624.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100626.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100632.jpg

Brahmzy

02-09-13, 08:04

Some beautiful rifles. That 6.8 unit makes me drool. Think I'da preferred a 25rd SPC PMAG though, lol. That's a lot of mag hanging, haha.

BuckFarack

02-09-13, 08:25

I think hell just froze over

LWRCI love on m4carbine.net

Dave L.

02-09-13, 09:20

I think hell just froze over

LWRCI love on m4carbine.net

No, it's the one time of the year they are allowed to come out of the closet :p

(Thread posted for profiling purposes :eek: )

Zane1844

02-09-13, 09:34

I just want their Ambi-lowers and awesome paint on their rifles! I was also very impressed how the rifle felt when I held one at the store. However, was not impressed of the price tag.

FMJ556

02-09-13, 11:42

Does the spiral grooving make a significant improvement in barrel cooling ? (I'm guessing that's the reason for it)

VIP3R 237

02-09-13, 11:56

Yeah, but they got stuck with the bad reputation. And it took them a while to smooth out the problems with their design.

(And Leitner Wise has a new rifle company anyway.)

What is his current company now?

VIP3R 237

02-09-13, 12:02

I just had a LMT SBR ordered yesterday from my NFA dealer and he was quoted a four year wait.

Wow... I just dont get it i guess. How can a company be THAT backordered.

BuckFarack

02-09-13, 12:02

Does the spiral grooving make a significant improvement in barrel cooling ? (I'm guessing that's the reason for it)

From lwrci's web site
with a spiral fluted barrel. The spiral fluting shaves weight while relieving longitudinal stresses that can cause ‘stringing’ in barrels with conventional linear fluting.

BuckFarack

02-09-13, 12:04

What is his current company now?

I think it's called F&D or something I'm not positive.

azoutdoorsman

02-09-13, 20:12

Wow... I just dont get it i guess. How can a company be THAT backordered.

No shit. That means it's time to hire more employees and invest in more machinery.

deserteaglexxx

02-09-13, 21:55

What are the chances of the m6ic pdw being built and released to civi.

calengor

02-09-13, 22:42

What are the chances of the m6ic pdw being built and released to civi.

From LF:

Currently LWRC has had to streamline ALL production in order to make delivery on rifles ordered. No more one-off shit, paint jobs, and configurations until things plane out.

In the forseable future, the PDW's best hope is that an agency orders enough to warrant production of that stock assembly. There is a ton of machinetime in that stock assembly.

SMGLee

02-11-13, 13:43

I was told this product is due to release "soon"........

Colt has been diligently working to reopen its door to the civilian market, as seen by all the different way to buy a 6920. I can see the revised and extended 6940 release within 2013.

SMGLee

02-11-13, 13:54

Per their rules,

B. Add-on weights for a competitive advantage (this includes, but is not limited to, weighted magazines, tungsten guide rods, brass magazine wells, weighted grips).

Granted the actual magwell isn't brass, but the use of brass in the plug would be a no go.

Most of these Glock parts are still in prototype stage......so we will never know what the end product might look like.

SMGLee

02-11-13, 13:57

I look at all the pictures above and all I see is that taupe -ish colored Magul stoc. Anyone know if magpul is making new shades of fde or did Remington coat that stock themselves???

I would contribute the color to camera lighting, the Convention center lighting is usually pretty crappy....

Great pics!

Really digging that dual sided charging handle. Anyone have info on this?

Much like everything else at the Remington booth......Official Quote "We are working on it"

I have some doubts as the announcement to sell Freedom group plus all the possible pending legislation around the CONUS would definitely add to the decision at Remington.

Auto426

02-11-13, 15:03

Any idea on when we will start seeing their new offerings like the M16A4 or Commando clones show up with dealers. For some reason the new 6720LECAR is really starting to interest me.

el_chingoton13

02-11-13, 15:16

I would live to use one of these for sure.

Range90

02-13-13, 12:44

If Remington cant supply go and buy a Cadex chassis! Take a look at their website:
http://www.cadexdefense.com/
or their FB page www.facebook.com/cadexdefense

TheAxeShooter

02-15-13, 17:10

Love Geissele products! Can't wait to get one of their handguards. Thanks for the post SMGLee!

Shao

02-15-13, 17:19

I thought I wanted a NSR but I think I've made my mind up to wait for the MkIV. It looks great. I just hate proprietary barrel nuts...

Kenneth

02-15-13, 18:24

I will be getting a 15 inch MK4 to go on a 16 inch build. The MK1 I just put on a 14.5 is awesome. It has sold me on geissele. Not to mention the SD-3G I put in it as well.

militarymoron

02-17-13, 19:47

Gotcha. Thanks (it's obvious have never seen the inside of the current VIS).

How does it handle dissipating the heat?

totally missed replying to this, sorry. as you know, heat shields are more about insulating the shooter's hand and hand guard from a hot barrel than dissipating heat from the barrel, so it's not going to contribute towards cooling the barrel. how much it affects cooling and whether that's a practical concern, i don't know.
my .02 - for quad rails where you typically mount rail covers/panels on the rails that protect them and also insulate your hands from heat, i don't think heat shields are needed (although the VIS had them). but for tubular handguards and now this keymod, where people are less likely to cover with rail panels, a heatshield might be a good thing.

adh

02-17-13, 19:59

the VIS KM looks pretty slick...probably not worth the cost on my budget. I assume no news on the Volks suppresor...???

jaxman7

02-18-13, 02:20

How I missed this thread I don't know. Unabashed Vltor fan boy here.

The new VIS is a sinister looking work work of art.

With any luck things will calm down before these are released. Not going to hold my breath though.

-Jax

RyanB

02-18-13, 03:16

Any word on if we're going to get an A5 length imod?

Dave L.

02-18-13, 05:16

totally missed replying to this, sorry. as you know...

No worries. Thanks for the reply.

Brahmzy

02-18-13, 08:09

Any word on if we're going to get an A5 length imod?

I'd love one too - something a little lighter than the A5 length EMOD. Don't need the storage/weight.

Man I love VLT0R stuff. Wonder how much that new VIS KM upper weighs though. Looks to be a heavy one.

adh

02-18-13, 08:33

the VIS KM looks pretty slick...probably not worth the cost on my budget. I assume no news on the Volks suppresor...???
Didnt realize that it was 2010 when they showed the volks suppresor at shot show
guess Im getting old

JFPATCH

02-18-13, 20:41

With Eric Kinsel leaving, I suppose it's too much to hope for any news on the Bren Ten. I'm guessing that project is DRT.

BH321

02-18-13, 22:52

With Eric Kinsel leaving, I suppose it's too much to hope for any news on the Bren Ten. I'm guessing that project is DRT.

That project is dead, and if I recall correctly they actually scrapped (or were planning to) all of the work in progress parts they had. Regrettable to see that their parent company keeps jerking them around as Vltor seems like an absolutely great company.

nickdrak

02-18-13, 23:13

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100773.jpg

Which muzzle device is that on the original (1913 railed) VIS-2?

militarymoron

02-19-13, 09:02

if I recall correctly they actually scrapped (or were planning to) all of the work in progress parts they had.

where did you see or hear that?

Brahmzy

02-19-13, 10:08

With Eric Kinsel leaving...

Was / is Eric a key guy at VLT0R?

VLT0R is responsible for some of the most innovative designs in for the AR platform. I really hope they continue to innovate!

GunFighter CH, A5, KeyMod, awesome MOD stocks.... the list goes on...

BH321

02-19-13, 11:15

where did you see or hear that?

TOS. Apparently I was wrong, as I just perused through the Vltor Fortis Update thread posted in January which says it is still going on. What I get I suppose for listening to hearsay on TOS.

militarymoron

02-19-13, 11:51

eric kincel started vltor, and when abrams bought vltor, he was general manager/lead designer. he recently left vltor to join bravo company USA to head up their R&D.

JFPATCH

02-19-13, 21:26

So, the Fortis/Bren Ten project is still ongoing?

militarymoron

02-21-13, 09:54

yes, the fortis project is definitely alive. they have a ton of parts and are still working on some of the final revisions on certain items. so, it's still moving forward (albeit slowly) and no time frame. that's the official word from vltor.

sinlessorrow

02-24-13, 12:11

Im really liking that A4 PiP.

eric kincel started vltor, and when abrams bought vltor, he was general manager/lead designer. he recently left vltor to join bravo company USA to head up their R&D.

Oh my! Is he the guy who came up with the A5 stock and the GF Ch? If so I look forward to BCM's future!

Stephen_H

02-28-13, 13:55

Great job as always SMGLee! Though I think that Edwin holds the male model title in our shop...

Cheers,
Stephen

xrayoneone

02-28-13, 17:02

The concealed chest rig looks promising but it needs to be concealed. All the buckles stand out.

Moose-Knuckle

02-28-13, 21:33

Looking forward to the battleship gray line. :cool:

bleaman225

02-28-13, 23:35

The MOLLE-Minimus Lightweight Plate Carrier in Battleship Grey will be the heat!

Stephen_H

03-01-13, 09:58

The MOLLE-Minimus Lightweight Plate Carrier in Battleship Grey will be the heat!

I'm pretty stoked about it as well. We should start shipping Multicam VERY soon and Coyote and Urban Wolf will follow shortly. We worked closely with Arcteryx to develop our Wolf colorway so that it would match and complement theirs.

Stephen

bleaman225

03-01-13, 10:13

I'm pretty stoked about it as well. We should start shipping Multicam VERY soon and Coyote and Urban Wolf will follow shortly. We worked closely with Arcteryx to develop our Wolf colorway so that it would match and complement theirs.

Stephen

Consider me anxiously waiting.

RXM

03-01-13, 21:29

Gents, look for subtle but cool changes to the SD-E trigger. Reminds me of a Ferrari.

http://johncdang.smugmug.com/photos/i-Fw7Sz5r/0/XL/i-Fw7Sz5r-XL.jpg

ALCOAR

03-01-13, 21:56

Can I use that as my desktop background...damn I love that pic :cool:

I had the privilege of receiving the first SD-E in the wild....and it's been easily my favorite trigger since day 1 of using it.

RXM

03-01-13, 21:58

Can I use that as my desktop background...damn I love that pic :cool:

I had the privilege of receiving the first SD-E in the wild....and it's been easily my favorite trigger since day 1 of using it.

Sure but it isn't a really hi-res photo; image was taken with my phone and not my usual camera (spur of the moment thing). Shoot me a PM with your email and I'll send you a higher res one.

ALCOAR

03-01-13, 22:04

I'm viewing it now on a Sony 46" Bravia HD TV that's connected to my laptop....it's honestly perfect as is.

It fads to black around the edges, and still allows plenty of room for the icons.

These some kinda SE models?...and you pegged it, very Ferrari.

RXM

03-01-13, 22:07

These are not special editions but they are a limited run. They had a box of red springs and decided to use them. Once they're gone, they're gone.

Duffy

03-07-13, 10:13

They're like the red brake caliper shoes on the Porsche, what color is the brake calipers on yer M3? :D

RXM

03-07-13, 19:18

They're like the red brake caliper shoes on the Porsche, what color is the brake calipers on yer M3? :D

Ah...its been years since I've driven a M3.

1911-A1

03-09-13, 21:06

Im really liking that A4 PiP.

I like the A4 as well. Will it go into production? I might like it with their folding front sight instead, if it will fit with that rail.

Jakashh

03-26-13, 19:10

Accidental bump. Woops!

wilson1911

03-28-13, 20:32

If I order a sd3g today, will it have a red spring in it ?

RXM

03-28-13, 21:03

Hard to say because it depends where you bought it and when that retailer received their products from GA. My suggestion would be to call the shop and ask if they have anymore.

Duffy

03-29-13, 08:56

The SSA-Es (some of them) we got this month have red springs, I haven't seen the red spring elsewhere in our batch.

RXM

03-29-13, 08:58

The SSA-Es (some of them) we got this month have red springs, I haven't seen the red spring elsewhere in our batch.

When I was at the shop, the springs were only going out with the SSA-Es. Again, this wasn't intended to be a special edition but it is a limited run; they had a box of red springs and they don't know why and decided to use them :)

Duffy

03-29-13, 23:45

Hehe, sounds like something we would do :D

tw4

03-30-13, 22:08

I wonder the weight difference between a Noveske upper utilizing the Vltor MUR and an NSR rail opposed to the VIS Key mod?

RXM

03-31-13, 09:08

Just wanted to share an image of the Geissele SGB. This was from a recent SPR build. The coiled roll pin truly does create a secure fitment for a "bomb proof" installation.

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-Qw6nsvh/1/L/i-Qw6nsvh-L.jpg

ALCOAR

03-31-13, 19:45

That's another awesome pic RXM.

Looks like I have the same barrel as that one in the pic. GA sent me a "in house" SPR barrel that looks very similar to that one. It's some serious fine china.

The SGB is one of those products that's perfectly designed in my eyes. Flat out bombproof design.

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC09511_zpsf1809689.jpg
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/trident1982/DSC09516_zpsed407a2c.jpg

RXM

03-31-13, 20:00

C45P312

03-31-13, 20:06

Anyone got any leads on a Geissele HK416 rail?

ALCOAR

03-31-13, 20:15

Looks to be the same barrel :D

I took it out on Saturday and put some IMI 5.56 through it (stocked up on these babies while they were going for $320/1200). Long story short, our faces were like this ----> :eek:

Here is that barrel @ 715yds....

Geissele Automatic's SM-SPR @ 715yds.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJPAQSjaBLg)

That particular rifle has a Geissele rail, trigger, barrel, and gas block. Makes me yearn for the day when GA builds in house rifles complete :cool:

RXM

03-31-13, 20:24

Very nice. Handloads or factory?

C45P312 - I have no leads on inventory.