New York Retailers Stopped Selling Ammo Today

[30 cal slut]

Because there is no system in place to do a background check on ammo buyers, as is now required by Cuomo's AWB II.

I haven't been plugged into the news yet, but as anyone filed a legal challenge against this abomination yet?

[nimdabew]

Good luck NY. Selling is illegal, but are gifts illegal?

[arizonaranchman]

Any self respecting American who continues to live in NY is a moron. Get out of that communist dump and have some self respect folks. No way in hell will I ever for any reason set foot in that or certain other states in this country, under any circumstances. No job, no income, no reason whatsoever could get me to enter those places.

[duece71]

Any self respecting American who continues to live in NY is a moron. Get out of that communist dump and have some self respect folks. No way in hell will I ever for any reason set foot in that or certain other states in this country, under any circumstances. No job, no income, no reason whatsoever could get me to enter those places.

I think that kind of judgement is uncalled for and has been tiredly tried and said before. If people want to live in NY, then so be it. They will have to abide by those laws.......its their choice to live there or not.

[Magic_Salad0892]

Any self respecting American who continues to live in NY is a moron.

Any self respecting American would never stop fighting.

[J-Dub]

And i doubt there will ever be such a system. Problem solved for the traitor state government of NY.

[30 cal slut]

if there is further confirmation (or contradiction) from our brothers and sisters in NY ... by all means please chime in.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

Scroll the page down for law suit info and sign the Senators petition make sure she knows you have her back. We have to fight guys, I want to cut and run real bad but in the mean time I have to fight.

http://www.scopeny.org/index.html

From what I can tell in Rochester Buffalo are sales have not halted

[brickboy240]

I understand the honor in staying and fighting but really....you're up against a machine and mindset in that state that will never change. Unfortunately, the whole state gets ruled by the wishes of those in NYC. Sad...but true.

I'd get out while you can.

Some will say, "but I cannot leave...I have family here."

Well....your family does not deserve to live in that socialist hell hole either....why are you not talking them into leaving as well?

I know it might seem cowardly to some and some will call it "cut and run" but I think it is just seeing things as they are and knowing that you will never change things.

This is not Germany circa 1952..you can move to another state. My guess is after a few months in a new place...you will never miss NY.

-brickboy240

[Straight Shooter]

IF YOU MOVE TO A FREE STATE, LEAVE YOUR GODDAMNED LIBERAL POLITICS BEHIND YOU. DO NOT MOVE DOWN SOUTH AND START EXPECTING US TO CHANGE INTO WAYS THAT YOU ARE USED TO. ****IN DO NOT COME HERE WITH YOU LIB SHIT.
That is all.

[30 cal slut]

lol

could thomebody pleathe point me to the nearest espresso bar?

[Straight Shooter]

Thats ANOTHER thing...we drink ****ing COFFEE here, not that. :D

Use a different phrase.

Voodoochild

[30 cal slut]

do these manpris pants make me look fat?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-F_caEmhzOKM/T-sFPUEHo-I/AAAAAAAACiU/r2h1_z6GIUo/s1600/05.jpg

[sinlessorrow]

Thats ANOTHER thing...we drink ****ing COFFEE here, not that. :D

****ing right we dont drink noespresso.

Use a different phrase.

Voodoochild

[Evil Colt 6920]

If all gun owners in NY packed up and left the state, thats a lot of tax revenue going somewhere else. A statement like that would surely keep other states from making the same mistake, right?

[30 cal slut]

i'm browsing the pages over at pafoa.org .... there are quite a few panicked NY/NJ/CT folks looking for a refuge in a neighboring free state.

[theblackknight]

Unless you guys are trolling, you're being ****ing retarded and giving gun owners and southerners a bad name.

"We dont drink nona that fag esspresso shit down yonders 'round here". Seriously? You are being the exact caricature that anti gun people, and a lot of others laugh at.

sent from mah gun,using my sights

[Amicus]

Unless you guys are trolling, you're being ****ing retarded and giving gun owners and southerners a bad name.

"We dont drink nona that fag esspresso shit down yonders 'round here". Seriously? You are being the exact caricature that anti gun people, and a lot of others laugh at.

sent from mah gun,using my sights

I think they were joking. I'm taking it that way.

[Littlelebowski]

IF YOU MOVE TO A FREE STATE, LEAVE YOUR GODDAMNED LIBERAL POLITICS BEHIND YOU. DO NOT MOVE DOWN SOUTH AND START EXPECTING US TO CHANGE INTO WAYS THAT YOU ARE USED TO. ****IN DO NOT COME HERE WITH YOU LIB SHIT.
That is all.

Lighten up, Francis.

[brickboy240]

Although the manner in which this point was made, there is some validity to what he is ranting about.

Many northerners DO come to the red states to escape the trappings of their home states. Then....they begin to vote for the same types that screwed up the very states they just came from!

Doubt this?

Well look at parts of Florida. How do you explain morons like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz? They elect people like this but isn't she EXACTLY what they packed up and moved away from?

...I think so.

-brickboy240

[Pork Chop]

Colorado.

[Belmont31R]

It is a real concern. Colorado is now solidly blue.

[Doc Safari]

New Mexico used to be a swing state. Now it's solidly blue also. We can attribute that to Mexicans and Californians, neither of which are restricted from coming into our fair state.

[lethal dose]

IF YOU MOVE TO A FREE STATE, LEAVE YOUR GODDAMNED LIBERAL POLITICS BEHIND YOU. DO NOT MOVE DOWN SOUTH AND START EXPECTING US TO CHANGE INTO WAYS THAT YOU ARE USED TO. ****IN DO NOT COME HERE WITH YOU LIB SHIT.
That is all.

I live in the south and there is a much higher concentration of libs where I am at as opposed to where I am from... Up north.

[TehLlama]

New Mexico used to be a swing state. Now it's solidly blue also. We can attribute that to Mexicans and Californians, neither of which are restricted from coming into our fair state.

Colorado and the Santa Fe area went full retard at the same time for the same reasons. Demographically NM was fked from the start, but now even Bernalillo County and the rest of District 1 (Senate) has turned mentally handicap blue.

[Todd00000]

I'm surprised there's any ammo left to sell.

[feedramp]

Arizona could use some more good souls to offset the trash that comes in from California and points south.

[30 cal slut]

kind of a bit of thread drift but i agree with a few of the posts above concerning the infection of formerly free states by refugees from blue states.

they bring the same exact shit to their new digs from whence they fled.

examples:

NH, VT, ME being invaded by Massholes (sorry, Mass guys ;) )

Philadelphia, PA might as well be part of New Jersey.

NC, with the fastest growing neighborhoods - all refugees from NY and NJ. Look no further than Carey - the Containment Area for Relocated Yankees. ;) It's a joke, but it's true. That state is changing the most rapidly, in my opinion.

Same goes for Northern Virginia (rapid influx of yanks and free shit army minions). I fear for gun owners in VA at some future tipping point.

FL has always been about NY snowbirds and always will be.

CO, NM, AZ - all being infected by Kaliforniastan.

Not many places left to hide. :sad:

[brushy bill]

Any self respecting American who continues to live in NY is a moron. Get out of that communist dump and have some self respect folks. No way in hell will I ever for any reason set foot in that or certain other states in this country, under any circumstances. No job, no income, no reason whatsoever could get me to enter those places.

Concur...not ever.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

IF YOU MOVE TO A FREE STATE, LEAVE YOUR GODDAMNED LIBERAL POLITICS BEHIND YOU. DO NOT MOVE DOWN SOUTH AND START EXPECTING US TO CHANGE INTO WAYS THAT YOU ARE USED TO. ****IN DO NOT COME HERE WITH YOU LIB SHIT.
That is all.

Whats your address any homes for sale near you?

[halo2304]

kind of a bit of thread drift but i agree with a few of the posts above concerning the infection of formerly free states by refugees from blue states.

they bring the same exact shit to their new digs from whence they fled.

examples:

NH, VT, ME being invaded by Massholes (sorry, Mass guys ;) )

Don't forget the Connecti-****s.

[theblackknight]

NC, with the fastest growing neighborhoods - all refugees from NY and NJ. Look no further than Carey - the Containment Area for Relocated Yankees. ;) It's a joke, but it's true. That state is changing the most rapidly, in my opinion.



LOL! No shit dude. I call wilmington "South Jersey"

[30 cal slut]

****ing connecti-****s. :angry:

[halo2304]

****ing connecti-****s. :angry:

...you're from Connecticut, aren't you? LOL! :jester:

[obucina]

Whats your address any homes for sale near you?


Wellington, FL 33414 ;) 8 gun shops within about 10 miles. 1 million CCW permit holders cant be wrong.

There is a place two doors from me being used as a rental. I bet the owner would unload it...my assessed value is 113k :D

[NC_DAVE]

IF YOU MOVE TO A FREE STATE, LEAVE YOUR GODDAMNED LIBERAL POLITICS BEHIND YOU. DO NOT MOVE DOWN SOUTH AND START EXPECTING US TO CHANGE INTO WAYS THAT YOU ARE USED TO. ****IN DO NOT COME HERE WITH YOU LIB SHIT.
That is all.

Agreed, i would rather deport some yankees than illegals. NC does have a very rapidly growing population of yankees.

[PA PATRIOT]

Philadelphia, PA might as well be part of New Jersey.

Why is that, even tho the Mayor and Police Commissioner may have a anti-gun stance there are no special Philadelphia only laws prohibiting anything firearm related less the one below listed exception, Concealed carry permits are issued without undo delay or cost and I have yet to see a single sign to prohibit CCW any where.

Philly is the same as the rest of the state except for one thing, there is no open carry without a CCW permit, Thats it.

[JoshNC]

IF YOU MOVE TO A FREE STATE, LEAVE YOUR GODDAMNED LIBERAL POLITICS BEHIND YOU. DO NOT MOVE DOWN SOUTH AND START EXPECTING US TO CHANGE INTO WAYS THAT YOU ARE USED TO. ****IN DO NOT COME HERE WITH YOU LIB SHIT.
That is all.

Agreed. Liberal Assclowns from the Northeast have been moving to Florida and North Carolina for years and bringing their garbage politics. I would HOPE we don't have libtards here on M4C.

[RancidSumo]

Anyone have a link? I wasn't aware this went into effect so quickly.

[SMETNA]

IF YOU MOVE TO A FREE STATE, LEAVE YOUR GODDAMNED LIBERAL POLITICS BEHIND YOU. DO NOT MOVE DOWN SOUTH AND START EXPECTING US TO CHANGE INTO WAYS THAT YOU ARE USED TO. ****IN DO NOT COME HERE WITH YOU LIB SHIT.
That is all.

Brothers:

This is what happens when you jerk it to naked pictures of your sister too much, and you get gentlemans' relish stuck to your caps-lock key.


:lol:

[citizensoldier16]

Please let this thread be locked soon....:rolleyes:

[Magic_Salad0892]

Brothers:

This is what happens when you jerk it to naked pictures of your sister too much, and you get gentlemans' relish stuck to your caps-lock key.


:lol:

LMFAO. :lol:

[SMETNA]

Please let this thread be locked soon....:rolleyes:

:D hah

He knows I give him shit for being a hick. It's all in good fun. At least on my end.

[maddawg5777]

It is a real concern. Colorado is now solidly blue.

Sadly what makes Colorado blue is ****ing Denver, boulder and pueblo. Not like those counties are worth living in. The state was mostly red but those counties don't have enough population to make a difference. The only red county with a large population was El Paso. Sadly as much as I enjoy the mountains I feel this state is going down fast.

[Straight Shooter]

OH SMETNA.....YOUR SO WORDY!!
HA..ALL responses taken in jest, the way I SEMI intended my post to be. Im at work and had to quickly log in to get this in.
Seriously tho...Ive never figured this out. People leave UP NORTH or Kali or where ever, come to a RED state, then start bitchin cause they smell cowshit, or hear shooting, or saw BillyBob carrying an "assault rifle" or some such shit as this. Then, they start voting for the same lib/fag type rats that ruined their state in the first place.
Dr. Savage is right....LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER.

[30 cal slut]

Anyone have a link? I wasn't aware this went into effect so quickly.

http://www.nysrpa.org/

I believe it went into effect immediately when Herr Cuomo signed it on Tuesday evening.

[platoonDaddy]

Although the manner in which this point was made, there is some validity to what he is ranting about.

Many northerners DO come to the red states to escape the trappings of their home states. Then....they begin to vote for the same types that screwed up the very states they just came from!

Doubt this?

Well look at parts of Florida. How do you explain morons like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz? They elect people like this but isn't she EXACTLY what they packed up and moved away from?

...I think so.

-brickboy240

Texas you are in harms-way: you have Californians leaving high taxes and moving into Texas. Yep, they will elect the same type they voted for in Ca.

[austinN4]

Texas you are in harms-way: you have Californians leaving high taxes and moving into Texas. Yep, they will elect the same type they voted for in Ca.
They already are. I have been saying for several years that Austin has gotten too kalifornia for my liking.

[HackerF15E]

I would HOPE we don't have libtards here on M4C.

Yet again, remember that there are firearms owners across the political spectrum.

Being an enthusiast for the AR pattern indicates absolutely nothing about what you believe, other than that you like AR pattern rifles.

Not all firearms owners/enthusiasts or RKBA supporters are Republicans or conservatives. There are a lot of 'em that aren't.

As firearms owners, we are cutting our own throats by throwing spears at the left end of the political spectrum and dividing up our own group.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

It went into effect already, but not one LE officer or gun shop knows what it is or how it will effect anything. Most police I know have told me they arnt registering shit and that they intend not to enforce the law unless in a position where they will be charged if they don't.

It seams only the gun guys have taken to actually reading the penal code, to try and understand it and everyone has a different interpretation. I do know that as the new law stood at the time it was signed there was no LE exemption, therefore every LE officer in the state is in violation. But no one seems to care at all for the laws, people did not fallow them before.

[The_War_Wagon]

Because there is no system in place to do a background check on ammo buyers, as is now required by Cuomo's AWB II.

I haven't been plugged into the news yet, but as anyone filed a legal challenge against this abomination yet?

Come down to PA and get some - we're still a nominally free state.

And tell his majesty, the Lord High Royal Potentate of the Sheeple's Democratic Republic of New Yawk, to go FUDGE himself.

[SMETNA]

It went into effect already, but not one LE officer or gun shop knows what it is or how it will effect anything. Most police I know have told me they arnt registering shit and that they intend not to enforce the law unless in a position where they will be charged if they don't.

It seams only the gun guys have taken to actually reading the penal code, to try and understand it and everyone has a different interpretation. I do know that as the new law stood at the time it was signed there was no LE exemption, therefore every LE officer in the state is in violation. But no one seems to care at all for the laws, people did not fallow them before.


This. I was assisting an RPD officer with an issue last night, and during a moment of down time we got talking about this crap. He said "I hope they know there's no way we're going to enforce this stuff" :secret:

PS: I seem to remember that Kalifornia banned internet sales of ammo, and it was struck down by the courts. Anyone have an idea if that's true? This was within the past year or two. Google-fu

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

This. I was assisting an RPD officer with an issue last night, and during a moment of down time we got talking about this crap. He said "I hope they know there's no way we're going to enforce this stuff" :secret:

PS: I seem to remember that Kalifornia banned internet sales of ammo, and it was struck down by the courts. Anyone have an idea if that's true? This was within the past year or two. Google-fu

Lol Pm me

[Arik]

Why is that, even tho the Mayor and Police Commissioner may have a anti-gun stance there are no special Philadelphia only laws prohibiting anything firearm related less the one below listed exception, Concealed carry permits are issued without undo delay or cost and I have yet to see a single sign to prohibit CCW any where.

Philly is the same as the rest of the state except for one thing, there is no open carry without a CCW permit, Thats it.

I live just outside of Philly. That plus good luck getting the sheriff to sign for anything NFA. Otherwise no one really makes a huge stink here. Philly dems seem more republican then Jersey republicans

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2

[DreadPirateMoyer]

Philly has no special exceptions or any of its own anti-gun laws because PA has state supremacy when it comes to firearms.

The only entity that may make gun laws in PA is the PA legislature. The whole state must follow. Since PA is solidly pro-gun, that means Philly must be as well.

(there is only one exception: discharge; localities may make laws regulating the discharge of firearms)

Of course, sometimes localities make laws in defiance of the PA legislature, as Philly does almost every 5 years. They almost always get overturned in court, though.

PA rocks.

[platoonDaddy]

Come down to PA and get some - we're still a nominally free state.


Looks like Pa is having issues: Pennsylvania gun owners threatened to boycott the state's largest hunting and fishing expo Tuesday after organizers announced that they would ban the display and sale of assault rifles at this year's show.

Reed Exhibitions, a British-based company that runs the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show in Harrisburg each February, notified vendors of the change in policy over the last several days, a company representative confirmed to The Inquirer.

http://articles.philly.com/2013-01-16/news/36376200_1_gun-show-assault-weapons-assault-rifle

Trop gun shop in Elizabethtown, Pa announced on Facebook they will not be attending the Harrisburg show now because of the demands to not allow modern sporting rifles, 30rnd mags etc.

[yellowfin]

IF YOU MOVE TO A FREE STATE, LEAVE YOUR GODDAMNED LIBERAL POLITICS BEHIND YOU. DO NOT MOVE DOWN SOUTH AND START EXPECTING US TO CHANGE INTO WAYS THAT YOU ARE USED TO. ****IN DO NOT COME HERE WITH YOU LIB SHIT.
That is all.

Totally agree. I moved to PA recently after spending 3 years in NY's hell--all because my wife's job moved us from AL--and DO NOT want that leftist crap infesting the home we have here. None of the bureaucracy, taxes, regulations, Soviet gulag mentality, and ideally none of their culinary ineptitude either. None of the zillion building codes and permits for even putting up a fence on my yard, parking ticket for parking next to your own home on X or Z day (upstate NY does this and they are ASSHOLES about it), leftist indoctrination in public schools, etc.

KEEP THE COMMUNIST CRAP OUT OF MY COUNTRY!

[SPARTAN HOPLITE ARMS]

It went into effect already, but not one LE officer or gun shop knows what it is or how it will effect anything. Most police I know have told me they arnt registering shit and that they intend not to enforce the law unless in a position where they will be charged if they don't.

It seams only the gun guys have taken to actually reading the penal code, to try and understand it and everyone has a different interpretation. I do know that as the new law stood at the time it was signed there was no LE exemption, therefore every LE officer in the state is in violation. But no one seems to care at all for the laws, people did not fallow them before.

Not every LEO is clueless about gun rights. Under PL 265, exemptions are specifically listed for all LEOs and peace officers with arrest powers. Military only while on duty and authorized to carry by superiors. It doesn't seem to have removed the exemption but just trying to read it is giving me a headache. Also, a couple of Republican state lawmakers have stated it was pushed through too quickly with serious errors and apparently LE is not exempt. I'm not even sure what's going on. So now LE will be required to load only 7 rounds according to them. Another pelosi-ism of passing it to know what the hell's in it.

[THCDDM4]

It is a real concern. DENVER is now solidly blue.

It is a real concern. Colorado is not quite "SOLIDLY BLUE". Denver is completelly gone, Boulder as well and a few other small communities- but their are a lot of conservatives and libertarians here- WE NEED MORE THOUGH! (Libertarians that is...).

But believe me when I say- we have some serious RED blood here; and it isn't going anywhere.

I am sick of the Kommiefornians leaving Cali and bringing the BS legislation they left the place for along with them- it really is ****ing up this beautiful state and getting old as ****.

All of you who came here for refuge and left the BS kommiefornia crap in Kali; thank you- hold your fellow trnasplants accountable for the BS they are causing here please.

Come to Colorado, bring your guns, bring your families, bring everything- but just leave the BS feelgoodery ideology & legislation at home when you come please.

[yellowfin]

In the case of Colorado, it's up to you to introduce the ways of America to them as they come to you. It's hard work but it's the most effective thing you can do. Take new people to the range, show them what a factory looks like since they haven't seen one that isn't empty and actually employs people, and show them what a low property tax bill looks like and tell them it had better stay that way.

[THCDDM4]

In the case of Colorado, it's up to you to introduce the ways of America to them as they come to you. It's hard work but it's the most effective thing you can do. Take new people to the range, show them what a factory looks like since they haven't seen one that isn't empty and actually employs people, and show them what a low property tax bill looks like and tell them it had better stay that way.

And this is exactly what I have been doing- I try to interact with as many as I can meet. The transplants I have personally had face to face time with are 1 of 2 groups:
#1) They escaped the BS and din't bring it; love guns, already joined a range, and understand low property tax.

#2) They escaped the BS but weren't aware they were a big part of the BS; brought it along with them and tell you how dumb you are for not wanting such "Common sense" laws here- like the ones they left?!?!?!?!. They hate guns and won't even begin to logically discuss guns at all; they only argue the BS emotional response they have been conditioned to take as the absolute truth- everything else is "Stupid" or just "redneck" & "Republicans" being evil and morons.

I feel for the New Yorkers on this board and in general. Make your choice fight or leave, but please don't be complacent in all of this, you need to have your voice heard wether it is by civil disobidience or by packin gup and taking your tax dollars to a free-state. I would reccommend the latter- as the war is all but over on that front. Good luck either way.

Oh- and to anyone detracting from the seriousness of the these bans (Be it on magazine capacity, pistol grip, bayonet lug, et alia)- you really need to understand this isn't about "Guns" or "Banning specific features"- it is about liberty and what is right and just.

This is not about banning anything "material"; it is about banning our very nature, banning our livelyhood, banning our ability to defend against their intrusions, banning our ability to fight back WHEN they come to take the last bastion of what makes us free- of what makes us Americans.

A ban on assualt weapons won't affect murder rates or gun violence. FACT.

A ban on standard capcity magazines will not affect our murder rates or gun violence. FACT

A ban on a pistol grip will not affect our murder rates or gun violence. FACT.

Regulating private sales will not stop mentally ill or criminals from getting weapoins and harming people. FACT.

ETC, ETC, ETC.

A ban on these items will hinder our ability to fight tyrrany from our Government and allows further intrusion by our Government into our private lives (Something our founders would really love- right?). FACT.

Wake up gentlemen this has never been about "guns"- that is just the red herring that works best- it is about our inherent freedom being stripped away from us to allow politically/economically elite to control us further and further until we cannot choose anything freely on our own and are atomotan slaves for the masters to play chess with.

DO NOT BUGDE AN INCH! WE have already given more than we should have.

To quote a genius musician (Listen to the song here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovpxo0Q3CLQ - PLEASE):


Once an honest man could go from sunrise to its set
Without encountering agents of his state or government
But a sorry cloud of tyranny has fallen across the land
Brought on by the hollow men who did not understand

"That for centuries our forefathers have fought and often died

To keep themselves unto themselves, to fight the rising tide

That if in the smallest battles we surrender to the state

We enter in a darkness whence we never shall escape


When they raise their hands up our lives to possess

To know our souls, to drag us down, we'll resist


Watt Tyler led the people in 1381

To meet the king at Smithfield to issue this demand

That Winchester's should be the only law across the land

The law of old King Alfred's time of free and honest men


'Cause the people then they understood what we have since forgot

That the government will only work for their own benefit

And I'd rather stand up naked against the elements alone

Than give the hollow men the right to enter in my home


When they raise their hands up our lives to possess

To know our souls, to drag us down, we'll resist


Stand up, sons of liberty, and fight for what you own

Stand up, sons of liberty, and fight, fight for your homes

Stand up, sons of liberty, and fight for what you own

Stand up, sons of liberty, and fight, fight for your homes


Stand up sons of liberty, and fight for what you own

Stand up sons of liberty, and fight, fight for your homes

Stand up sons of liberty, and fight for what you own

Stand up sons of liberty, and fight, fight for your homes


So if ever a man should ask you for your business or your name

Tell him to go and **** himself, tell his friends to do the same

'Cause a man who'd trade his liberty for a safe and dreamless sleep

Doesn't deserve the both of them and neither shall he keep"

Frank Tuner (An Englishmen/libertarian/musician)


The fight is literally on gentlemen, giving in to what you deem as a lessor demand will not make this go away- they have slowly errorded our entire culture and nation with small battles won over long periods of time. Make no mistake of that- they continue to push, push push! PUSH THEM BACK!

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

Not every LEO is clueless about gun rights. Under PL 265, exemptions are specifically listed for all LEOs and peace officers with arrest powers. Military only while on duty and authorized to carry by superiors. It doesn't seem to have removed the exemption but just trying to read it is giving me a headache. Also, a couple of Republican state lawmakers have stated it was pushed through too quickly with serious errors and apparently LE is not exempt. I'm not even sure what's going on. So now LE will be required to load only 7 rounds according to them. Another pelosi-ism of passing it to know what the hell's in it.

No not every, but more than 75% in my experience. And although, my wife is in LE. I have never personally agreed with the exemption. So for the meantime I am glad we are all equal again.

[jpmuscle]

No not every, but more than 75% in my experience. And although, my wife is in LE. I have never personally agreed with the exemption. So for the meantime I am glad we are all equal again.



What makes all of this even more hilarious is that they have no system in place whatsoever on the state level to take over registration, licensing, etc let alone the funding to pay for it. Implementation is going to be a cluster-**** and either they just don't know it yet or they don't care about important things like that. And at the end of the day compliance rates are going to be so low it will look like a exercise in futility anyway.

That said any departments down south or midwest looking to hire? Its time to leave.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

What makes all of this even more hilarious is that they have no system in place whatsoever on the state level to take over registration, licensing, etc let alone the funding to pay for it. Implementation is going to be a cluster-**** and either they just don't know it yet or they don't care about important things like that. And at the end of the day compliance rates are going to be so low it will look like a exercise in futility anyway.

That said any departments down south or midwest looking to hire? Its time to leave.

Agreed, no one knows whats going on at all. This should serve as an example to the rest of the country they are going after everything they can get. I never would have imagined myself picking a political side when I was younger but now I see dems and libs as some sort of mental illness.

[P2000]

Back to the original topic...

Are retailers still not selling ammo in NY?

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

Back to the original topic...

Are retailers still not selling ammo in NY?

They haven't stopped, law does not take effect for 60 days

[buckshot1220]

Ammo, what is left of it, is still moving off the shelves in every gun shop/retailer I've been in (I haven't shopped much at WalMart so I can't comment on that).

As for AR's and any 10 round mags, it is spotty. A local Gander Mtn. will still sell pistols, but will keep the mag:confused: Another LGS will sell pistols still with the 10 round mag, but the two S&W M&P15s they just got in they will not sell, gun nor mag, because they are confused if they can sell "new assault weapons."

By and large though, nothing has changed in the ammo department except price.

[SMETNA]

Who are the "ammo background checks" going through? NICS? or some nonexistent, unfunded, magical state agency?

[jpmuscle]

Who are the "ammo background checks" going through? NICS? or some nonexistent, unfunded, magical state agency?

My understanding is the latter. If not I'm not sure if ATF will allow the NICS to be used for that, or even if it can in the first place.

I'd like to see how they think they are going to go about state licensing all firearm owners. Hell pistol permit wait times are almost a year now as it is from the people I've talked too.

yea circus :jester:

[SMETNA]

I'm sure the FBI is going to LOVE that!

The vast majority of what they passed is illegal, unenforceable, and nonsensical. I bet the courts are going to rip this trash to shreds.

[buckshot1220]

Who are the "ammo background checks" going through? NICS? or some nonexistent, unfunded, magical state agency?

From what I understand the job of ammo background checks was thrown onto the lap of the State Police. Word is that they, as well as other LE, are not happy with the new laws and especially the fact that they now need to develop a system for background checks. I hear they will also be in charge of the "registration of assault weapons.":rolleyes:

As for funding, I'm sure they will glom a ton of revenue from the hunting and fishing licenses in the state to offset the cost well. If all else fails we will just run a budget deficit because it is "...for the good of the people."

[platoonDaddy]

If all else fails we will just run a budget deficit because it is "...for the good of the people."

...for the good of the children.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

I'm sure the FBI is going to LOVE that!

The vast majority of what they passed is illegal, unenforceable, and nonsensical. I bet the courts are going to rip this trash to shreds.

Word from inside the LE community here in western NY is this is all BS and will not be enforced, or complied with by LE. The NY sheriffs association has their meeting in Albany this week, we will see what comes out of that.

[platoonDaddy]

Sen. Chuck Schumer Says the NRA Is an Extreme ‘Fringe Group’

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/19/sen-chuck-schumer-says-the-nra-is-an-extreme-fringe-group/

As long as NY continues to elect progressives, such as this assHole, they will continue to chip away at 2A.

[Ash Hess]

I would love to pack up and move. Unfortunately, due to Uncle Sam, I am caught behind the lines with no chance of escape in the near future. So the only choice is to tighten up and fight. That means using every tactic available, not sitting in my basement with a plate carrier on, stroking my rifle yelling Wolverines and stamping Molon labe! on every post on facebook.
It means emails, phone calls, and rallies. It means attempting to educate people.
It also means doubling up on PT and hitting the books and getting smarter.

Furthermore, for you non-Empire residents, there are a lot of Upstaters doing the same things. and have been for years. You can get your little attitude about New York of you so choose but rather than your " its your own fault" crap, how about helping us out. What are your reps who don't support bans like this saying. If I were to email a Rep and say " Rep so and so from ???? is on record saying this......." It could help my rep feel like they have peers in other places who would support them. Anything would help at this point. I am not a politician, and don't know any I can get advice and mentorship from. That could be huge help.

Or again, you could continue on the "sucks to be you" path. Since New York, Illinois, and California are major factors in National Politics what happens in this State probably has effect on everyone. Unless I missed something in November.

[jpmuscle]

Word from inside the LE community here in western NY is this is all BS and will not be enforced, or complied with by LE. The NY sheriffs association has their meeting in Albany this week, we will see what comes out of that.

I'm not going to hold my breathe but we'll see. Regardless though there will be mass noncompliance from the sounds of things all over. My concern is with all the counties currently being over a barrel financially and having to deal ever newer state mandates, some funded many not. I wouldn't think it would be that big of a stretch For the state to informally say hey do what we want or no funding monies for you.

[a1fabweld]

Brothers:

This is what happens when you jerk it to naked pictures of your sister too much, and you get gentlemans' relish stuck to your caps-lock key.


:lol:

LMFAO! Priceless! I was thinking along the lines of Deliverance, inbred, hillbilly type.

"Gentleman's relish"! Thats too funny!

[Amicus]

Sen. Chuck Schumer Says the NRA Is an Extreme ‘Fringe Group’

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/19/sen-chuck-schumer-says-the-nra-is-an-extreme-fringe-group/

As long as NY continues to elect progressives, such as this assHole, they will continue to chip away at 2A.

In case anyone needs to be reminded, Bob Dole once said that the shortest distance in Washington was between Chuck Schumer and a TV camera.

This was altered somewhat in one of my favorite political statements: The most dangerous place to be is between Chuck Schumer and a TV camera.

[Jake'sDad]

I would love to pack up and move. Unfortunately, due to Uncle Sam, I am caught behind the lines with no chance of escape in the near future. So the only choice is to tighten up and fight. That means using every tactic available, not sitting in my basement with a plate carrier on, stroking my rifle yelling Wolverines and stamping Molon labe! on every post on facebook.
It means emails, phone calls, and rallies. It means attempting to educate people.
It also means doubling up on PT and hitting the books and getting smarter.

Furthermore, for you non-Empire residents, there are a lot of Upstaters doing the same things. and have been for years. You can get your little attitude about New York of you so choose but rather than your " its your own fault" crap, how about helping us out. What are your reps who don't support bans like this saying. If I were to email a Rep and say " Rep so and so from ???? is on record saying this......." It could help my rep feel like they have peers in other places who would support them. Anything would help at this point. I am not a politician, and don't know any I can get advice and mentorship from. That could be huge help.

Or again, you could continue on the "sucks to be you" path. Since New York, Illinois, and California are major factors in National Politics what happens in this State probably has effect on everyone. Unless I missed something in November.

Exactly.

Giving up on CA, NY, IL, etc., is what got us where we are today.

[a1fabweld]

Exactly.

Giving up on CA, NY, IL, etc., is what got us where we are today.

But nobody want to hear that. It's easier to sit back, laugh & point fingers.

[Cesiumsponge]

How many people here moved out of the USA when the 1994 federal AWB passed? How many said "you deserve what you voted in" while you fled to Switzerland to laugh at liberal gun control policies?

People forget a "majority" can be represented by as few as 50%+1 who can effectively nullify representation of the 50%-1. Not all New Yorkers are raging liberals.

[SMETNA]

Not all New Yorkers are raging liberals.

Correct. Like the rest of the country, they are concentrated in the urban centers. The suburbs and rural areas are mostly conservative

[Mac5.56]

I am in NO WAY defending this idiot governor and what he did, I am just passing along information.

Here is Cuomo's official Q&A in response to his recent dog and pony show:

Cuomo Chases His Tail (http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq)

Notice that the language is less "Official" and the answers sound way less punitive.

Also notice that they actually, for once, explain the dates we have to watch for! And, thus the reason I posted it hear as it seems to be pretty clear that dealers don't need to postpone sales of ammo until well into 2014.

Also notice that they don't answer what the crime will be if we fail to register our firearms. Are we felons? Who knows!

[SMETNA]

Are we felons? Who gives a flying ****?

Fixed it

Thanks for sharing that. I thought he had said that the reason they wanted to pass it quickly was to avoid "panic buying" of prohibited items, which to me conveyed that it took effect immediately

[jpmuscle]

Fixed it

Thanks for sharing that. I thought he had said that the reason they wanted to pass it quickly was to avoid "panic buying" of prohibited items, which to me conveyed that it took effect immediately

Cuomo is on record saying the reason he signed off on the rule change that dispensed with the 3 day review of legislation was because he wanted to avoid a run on people by scary looking guns. Ill see if I can find the reference source.

[TurretGunner]

Colorado.

Colorado is a liberal shithole as well. Beautifull state (Rockies and western slope) but the east is as bad as a east coast state.

[Pork Chop]

Colorado is a liberal shithole as well. Beautifull state (Rockies and western slope) but the east is as bad as a east coast state.

That was my point.