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deadduck357
01-21-13, 09:59
2013 SHOT Day 1 (http://lead-slinger.com/2013-shot-show)

2013 SHOT Day 2 (http://lead-slinger.com/2013-shot-show-day-2)

2013 SHOT Day 3 (http://lead-slinger.com/2013-shot-show-day-3)

fourXfour
01-21-13, 12:02
Very nicely done!!

I always get a kick out of how much I miss at the show. What are your highlights and must haves?

dogtown
01-21-13, 14:08
Interesting...
http://lead-slinger.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/DSC04007-150x150.jpg

Did EDM license the updated M96 to Remington? Everything about this says to me "Windrunner with Bill's magwell upgrade but new forend, brake and scope base".

deadduck357
01-21-13, 17:09
Very nicely done!!

I always get a kick out of how much I miss at the show. What are your highlights and must haves?

Pistols - Ruger SR1911 & Remington R1 Commanders

Bolt guns - Ruger Guide Gun, Remington Model 783 or Browning A Bolt III for a hunting gun.

Shotgun - The new Beretta 692 are very sweet.

Rifle - NEMO Omen hands down. I sure would like to get my hands on one.

deadduck357
01-21-13, 17:11
Interesting...
http://lead-slinger.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/DSC04007-150x150.jpg

Did EDM license the updated M96 to Remington? Everything about this says to me "Windrunner with Bill's magwell upgrade but new forend, brake and scope base".

I have know idea, I was not familiar with it.

ejskle
01-21-13, 19:01
Thanks for sharing.

deadduck357
01-21-13, 23:21
Site is back up

patriot_man
01-22-13, 00:25
Interesting that they blacked out the lumens for the M300V. :confused:

aegis305
01-22-13, 11:41
Thanks for posting that deadduck. Yours is the first comprehensive review of the show that I have seen.

fourXfour
01-22-13, 11:51
Pistols - Ruger SR1911 & Remington R1 Commanders

Bolt guns - Ruger Guide Gun, Remington Model 783 or Browning A Bolt III for a hunting gun.

Shotgun - The new Beretta 692 are very sweet.

Rifle - NEMO Omen hands down. I sure would like to get my hands on one.

That NEMO is very nice!!

Littlelebowski
01-22-13, 12:02
Interesting...
http://lead-slinger.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/DSC04007-150x150.jpg

Did EDM license the updated M96 to Remington? Everything about this says to me "Windrunner with Bill's magwell upgrade but new forend, brake and scope base".

Man, I hope so if Bill gets some money out of it. Good catch and also, thanks for posting, OP.

whiterabbit05
01-22-13, 12:30
Thank you.

jameseguerin@hotmail.com
01-22-13, 12:33
Thanks for sharing.

deadduck357
01-22-13, 13:41
Thanks for posting that deadduck. Yours is the first comprehensive review of the show that I have seen.

Thanks, it takes me a little longer to get them posted but I think some description necessary.

one
01-22-13, 20:14
Did you happen to hear what the thread pitch is on that PPQ "Navy" model?

Dunderway
01-23-13, 00:10
Thank you for the great coverage. I'm really stoked that more companies are developing some purpose-built jungle boots!

deadduck357
01-23-13, 00:53
Did you happen to hear what the thread pitch is on that PPQ "Navy" model?

No, I sure didn't, my fault. We were talking about the changes/addition to the mag release.

deadduck357
01-23-13, 00:54
Thank you for the great coverage. I'm really stoked that more companies are developing some purpose-built jungle boots!

There were a lot of new boots this year.

hkhunter
01-23-13, 12:30
THANK YOU!

AggiePhil
01-23-13, 12:33
What'd LMT have this year?

deadduck357
01-23-13, 17:46
What'd LMT have this year?

I asked and they said "nothing new, just trying to keep up with current products".

Arkansas
01-23-13, 19:03
What'd LMT have this year?

I was thinking the same thing. Looks like nothing new. :lazy:

FAB45
01-23-13, 20:13
Thank you! Great photos, well organized.

bzdog
01-23-13, 23:41
Did you happen to hear what the thread pitch is on that PPQ "Navy" model?

You could ask over on Walther forums. IIRC at least a few folks have put a can on theirs.

The PPQ is really nice, but be aware for some reason they didn't put sights that will clear a suppressor on the Navy. Or at least on the original. But as far as I can see in the pics, that doesn't appear to have changed.

-john

AggiePhil
01-24-13, 07:09
Suppressor height sights aren't necessary anyway, thanks to eye dominance and the Bindon Sight Principle.

drx
01-24-13, 23:44
Any word on the Voodoo tactical discreet series bags? Especially the backpacks.

EchoHotel
01-25-13, 10:38
Wish i was there, always wanted to go to shot

Atlshaun
01-25-13, 20:23
I will definitely have to find a way to get to the SHOW next year

Thx for the pics

deadduck357
01-25-13, 22:51
Any word on the Voodoo tactical discreet series bags? Especially the backpacks.

What about them? There are some pics of them on Day 1 about half way down.

Ick
01-25-13, 23:24
Great pictures. Thanks for posting.

murphman
01-27-13, 18:02
Thanks for posting up OP

Any info on the 6.8 SPC Federal had there? potential price?

SMGLee
01-27-13, 21:01
This will be the first of many threads to go up on M4c this year. I do apologize for the delay since SHOT show flu kicked my butt for a good week.

Here we go.....

This year, HK broke cover on their 416A5, which was build and designed based on a requirement by the German Spec Ops community, this updated and revised version of the 416 will be utilized by the KSK and the likes within the German military.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110141.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110140.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110138.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110137.jpg
Notice the revised gas block to enahble easy of gas port asjustment for suppressed or unsuppressed shooting.
Also notice the longer rail now covers the gas block assembly.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110134.jpg

Updated rail locking screw, it is no long the cross cut that enable the use of a bolt lug, this is a simplified design with just a slot cut.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110143.jpg

I also notice a roll pin on the upper receiver near the rail. I asked the HK rep at the booth but he did not know the reason for the added roll pin. I assume it is there for the piston rod or some sort of a guilde for it.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110076.jpg

The rail address is now reconfigured to allow more rail slot for better accessories mounting across thre rail and the upper receiver.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110074.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110072.jpg

The most significant change to the 416A5 is the lower receiver, it features the mil-spec mag well and ambi controls.
The reinforced wall around the controls is interesting. i have heard both augment for and against it. I personally don't palm my bolt catch, I use my thumb to deactivate the catch so the added wall around the controls does not bug me as much as some others.

SMGLee
01-27-13, 21:10
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110131.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110127.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110125.jpg

Build in front sight to the CQB-R rail. I did not see this feature on the 14.5inch version of the 416A5.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110128.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110124.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110126.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110133.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110149.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110085.jpg
The enlarged buffer tube castle nut is for the sole reason to pass the German army drop test, the added length enable the gun to be dropped from additional 5-7 feet higher.

Most of this updates we witnessed on last year's G28 sniper platform that won the German army contract.....so you can see the extension of those thoughts on the updated HK 416A5.

SMGLee
01-27-13, 21:12
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110053.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110058.jpg

14.5inch version

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110061.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110063.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110056.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110057.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110065.jpg
Even the stock has been changed.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110072.jpg
The new grip has a added back strap......

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110081.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110082.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110083.jpg
A tool kit is hidden and locked away in the body of the new grip.

SMGLee
01-27-13, 21:19
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110070.jpg
HK 416A5 vs. HK 416 IAR

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110071.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110069.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110067.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110089.jpg
Also notice the extended rail section all the way to the rear of the upper receiver? kind of like what POF is doing with their and I believe a better way of doing things than the original flare section without rail....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110078.jpg
A shot of the 416A5 with the roll pin vs. the IAR. you can even see the slight enlarged block for the rail screw on the A5 vs the original design.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110074.jpg

SMGLee
01-27-13, 21:23
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110079.jpg
New no M4 slot cut barrel profile.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110084.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110086.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110090.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110142.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110143.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110148.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110149.jpg

Litpipe
01-27-13, 21:24
Great pix.

SMGLee
01-27-13, 21:26
New HK 7.62 GPMG which is going to replace the famed MG3 in the German Army...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110152.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110155.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110156.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110157.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110159.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110160.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110163.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110167.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110170.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110171.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110180.jpg

SMGLee
01-27-13, 21:29
Some interesting development on the G36, a AR style mag well....
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110094.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110096.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110093.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110099.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110098.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110100.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110095.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110101.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110103.jpg

SMGLee
01-27-13, 21:35
HK 417 is represented this year by their MR762A1 long rifle pahckage available for purchase..
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110106.jpg
Long rifle package vs the German Army G28

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110104.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110114.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110122.jpg
Added reinforced wall for the bolt catch are evident on the Long Rifle package MR762A1.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110115.jpg
Stock to the MR762A1 long rifle package, you can see the difference between the G28 variant below

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110118.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110119.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110120.jpg
Notice the cheek piece remains stationary while the butt stock are extended...very clever design.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110107.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110109.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110112.jpg

SMGLee
01-27-13, 21:44
Link to Centurion Arms (http://www.centurionarms.net)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110249.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110248.jpg
Centurion Arms' brand new 308 rail design....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110239.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110241.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110244.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110240.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110243.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110245.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110246.jpg
Surefire light mount...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110250.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110525.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110526.jpg
Barrel nut assembly. the rail will have two cross screws for locking the rail down and a center screw to keep the rail centered through the slot cut into the barrel nut.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110527.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110528.jpg

armakraut
01-27-13, 21:45
Excellent pictures and information as always.

CodeRed30
01-27-13, 21:45
Great looking firearm from HK, no surprise there. Not fond of the goldish color though.

SMGLee
01-27-13, 21:51
Link to BattleComp (http://www.battlecomp.com)

BCE has one of the liveliest booth at SHOT this year, it is always packed, always crowded, and always full of laughter....It was the hangout destination of this year's SHOT show.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100915.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100914.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100911.jpg
Extremely cool BCE AAC hybrid comp suppressor adapter....looks like it will be going into production...wink, wink..

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100659.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100661.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100662.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100663.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100667.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100668.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100673.jpg

Magic_Salad0892
01-27-13, 21:59
HK seems to have adressed a lot of the 416's ergonomic (and maybe design) failures.

I really like the look of the new 10.5'' CQBR gun.

gun71530
01-27-13, 23:25
The new stock on the G36 looks like a vast improvement.

Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2

Austin_G
01-27-13, 23:38
Does anyone recognize the optic on the SIG MPX shown at SHOT?

The logo is not familiar to me either.

http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/SHOT_2013/2/001.jpg

http://eightzero.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/sig_mpx_2.jpg

http://eightzero.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/sig_mpx_1.jpg

MadAngler1
01-28-13, 01:15
SMGLee,

Is the A5's buffer system different at all in terms of buffer weight, buffer tube length or spring length? The reason I ask is because whenever I hear of the A5, I think of VLTOR's buffer system, which some people have used in conjunction with their 416 uppers.

It would be nice if HK incorporated that adjustable gas block into the MR556 upper they sell. Any word on that?

I'm perplexed as to why HK created a STANAG magazine adaptor for the G36. Did some govt agency request it for AR compatibility? I thought the G36 mags were better. Kind of defeats the point when they're selling HK 416s.

MountainRaven
01-28-13, 01:55
I like the looks of the 416A5's lower.... Too bad it doesn't look like the improvements are going to carry over to the MR family, except in the 7.62mm.

Any chance you got pictures of the "new" HK45 tacticals?

As for AR-15 mag wells on G36s: Steyr makes a stock for the AUG that takes AR-15 magazines. It only makes sense: They are part of NATO and virtually all of NATO uses AR-15 magazines.

SMETNA
01-28-13, 02:04
Great looking firearm from HK, no surprise there. Not fond of the goldish color though.

It's probably bad lighting. I'm sure outside under natural sunlight, it's more of a coyote brown/ FDE.



http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110138.jpg


I bet those gas system marking are going to get covered in carbon real quick!

Arctic1
01-28-13, 03:23
HK seems to have adressed a lot of the 416's ergonomic (and maybe design) failures.

I really like the look of the new 10.5'' CQBR gun.

Care to elaborate?

Magic_Salad0892
01-28-13, 05:17
Care to elaborate?

Ergonomic:

Standard height rail, full rail to rear most length (allowing for better 4X ACOG placement), and ambi controls (which I bitch about a lot.)

Better placement of integrated sight, better integrated sight.

Design:

Adjustable gas block, better positioning of adjustable gas block.

I know nothing about the castle nut, or roll pin, but they look reassuring.

USGI mag wells allow for PMAGs of all generations.

Dave L.
01-28-13, 06:44
The dust cover on the 416A5 looks plastic, can anyone confirm?

EzGoingKev
01-28-13, 06:56
That A5 SBR is REALLY nice.


The dust cover on the 416A5 looks plastic, can anyone confirm?
Seeing how the dust cover on the earlier models is plastic I would say this one is plastic too.

d90king
01-28-13, 07:59
Awesome as always SMG! The A5 looks great and looks much improved overall! Not a fan of the 417 as I don't really see any value vs its peers in the marketplace.

doriwoogie
01-28-13, 09:30
I like the scout light mount and new rail from Centurion, but the Battlecomp 51t mount, is that going to be a production piece now instead of the modification that they were offering previously?

Brown_Bear
01-28-13, 11:41
Awesome as always SMG! The A5 looks great and looks much improved overall! Not a fan of the 417 as I don't really see any value vs its peers in the marketplace.

I've never shot a 417 so I can't be too critical, but the sheer amount of unnecessary weight on those things is enough for me to move on. I'd really like to see a side by side comparison with a 417 and MWS.

KevinB
01-28-13, 12:30
Ergonomic:

Standard height rail, full rail to rear most length (allowing for better 4X ACOG placement), and ambi controls (which I bitch about a lot.)

Better placement of integrated sight, better integrated sight.

Design:

Adjustable gas block, better positioning of adjustable gas block.

I know nothing about the castle nut, or roll pin, but they look reassuring.

USGI mag wells allow for PMAGs of all generations.


Rail is not "standard height" - its just the rear does not swoop down.
Hk was next to us, and I went visiting a few brief seconds to hassle Dale etc.

My guess is their pinned a alignment sleeve on the upper for the op rod, never disassembled it - but that makes sense to me.

Magsz
01-28-13, 12:49
Who makes the rail clamps for that Streamlight pressure pad?

Those are awfully nice.

deadlyfire
01-28-13, 13:01
I'd also like to know this

d90king
01-28-13, 13:16
Really like Monty's .308 lower and new rail! Great to hear that the party was at Battle Comp's booth, I can't think of a crew that I would rather hang out with more!

Thanks for putting in all of the work SMG!

Arctic1
01-28-13, 16:19
Ergonomic:

Standard height rail, full rail to rear most length (allowing for better 4X ACOG placement), and ambi controls (which I bitch about a lot.)

Better placement of integrated sight, better integrated sight.

Design:

Adjustable gas block, better positioning of adjustable gas block.

I know nothing about the castle nut, or roll pin, but they look reassuring.

USGI mag wells allow for PMAGs of all generations.

Like Kevin B said, the rail is the same height. It has to be, due to the op-rod.
The lack of rail all the way to the rear has not been an issue with the optics we use, when it comes to eye-relief etc. We have had ambi selectors, but not ambi mag release or bolt catch. Agree that full ambi is nice.

There is nothing wrong with the integrated folding front sight we have on ours. The one on the new version is the same that is on the HK417. That rear sight, however, is pure crap. The elevation and windage adjustments are too big to make good adjustments when zeroing.

The AGR we have works just fine, especially after the design change.

As for the magwell thing, the old HK416 accepts all Draft STANAG 4179 mags. The PMAG is not Draft STANAG 4179 compliant.

There might have been some improvements made, or other design features implemented based on user feedback (we gave feedback on the stock), but to state that this is fixing ergonomic and design failures is just plain wrong.

Magic_Salad0892
01-28-13, 16:40
Like Kevin B said, the rail is the same height. It has to be, due to the op-rod.
The lack of rail all the way to the rear has not been an issue with the optics we use, when it comes to eye-relief etc. We have had ambi selectors, but not ambi mag release or bolt catch. Agree that full ambi is nice.

There is nothing wrong with the integrated folding front sight we have on ours. The one on the new version is the same that is on the HK417. That rear sight, however, is pure crap. The elevation and windage adjustments are too big to make good adjustments when zeroing.

The AGR we have works just fine, especially after the design change.

As for the magwell thing, the old HK416 accepts all Draft STANAG 4179 mags. The PMAG is not Draft STANAG 4179 compliant.

There might have been some improvements made, or other design features implemented based on user feedback (we gave feedback on the stock), but to state that this is fixing ergonomic and design failures is just plain wrong.

Ah. I was wrong about rail height. It looked standard to me.

I've shot a 4X ACOG in awkward positions a bunch of times, and it sucks to due eye relief. It's not even a 416 problem, it's a problem with all flat top M4s. The only way it would stop sucking is to remove rear BUIS and mount it in front of the ACOG. Which you shouldn't have to do. I feel like the full rail should solve that problem.

As for the new front sight, I can't speak to it being better for sure out of experience, but it looks like it'd be better from pictures. The old one looked flimsy as hell. Like if you dropped the gun with BUIS deployed it'd bend or something.

The rear looks like shit. As you'd stated.

I also wasn't saying that the old AGR didn't work, I meant that the AGR didn't seem to be present on most of the American guns, or guns in the US Military supply system. (So I've heard. I'm not military so I can't back this up.) So actually having the AGR is an improvement.

As for the magazine well thing, it may not be STANAG compliant, but a lot of US servicemen use PMAGs, and I think the M27 IAR might even have been the reason why the Marine Corps banned polymer magazines. (This is what I've heard, but cannot confirm.)

The use of a USGI magazine well means that M27s can use PMAGs, and we can get more of them in the system.

Might not be an issue for you guys, but I've heard a lot of guys say it's an issue for us.

That said. My opinions are formed based on the information that I have, which probably isn't as much as somebody who uses the system as issued. Or full time. But I believe my observations still hold true for many.

deadduck357
01-28-13, 17:08
Thanks for posting up OP

Any info on the 6.8 SPC Federal had there? potential price?

They didn't mention the 6.8 pricing, they did mention the 5.7 will be cheaper than FN ammo prices. Sorry

JSGlock34
01-28-13, 19:00
Can't help but see some KAC influence in the move to ambi controls and an integrated BUIS. Glad to see that they now take standard PMAGs (why couldn't this be done when the M27 was introduced?).

Thanks for the great pictures.

MountainRaven
01-28-13, 20:20
Wait, the M27 will now take Pmags?

Where was this stated? It looked to my like the M27 at the booth had the standard/old-style HK416 lower, not the 416A5 lower.

SMGLee
01-28-13, 20:20
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100527.jpg
One Millionth EOTech.....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100549.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100553.jpg
The Mainstay of the EOTech holosight line up, the XPS/EXPS series has corrected a lot of the previous problems that plagued EOTech over the years.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100544.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100546.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100554.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100555.jpg
Build for the very popular 300 Blackout....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100558.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100560.jpg
Capitolizing on the Zombie craze, fans of the Walking Dead can rejoyce, a custom Zombie sight just for the World War Z......

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100562.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100540.jpg
Insight's answer to the Surefire Vampire lights.....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100542.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100530.jpg
Insight redesigned the light forend for both the Remington and Mossberg shotguns...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100531.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100532.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100533.jpg

SMGLee
01-28-13, 20:32
Everyone knew i have been a EOTech kool-aide drinker for well over ten years now, I was EOTech before EOTech was cool..well, I guess that is somewhat subjective...LOL, but this year, my main focus at their booth was more directed toward the Insight military vs. the EOTech brand. I have been asked by Ken Hackathorn at SHOT this year on what I thought i can't live with out....I thought about it for a second, and said..."did you see the AN/PVS-31? that is my next to buy to replace my current PVS-15." to my surprise, Ken actually agree with me that he thought the PVS-31 was a very unique and interesting product for SHOT 13.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100698.jpg
The updated AN/PVS-31 is direct replacement to the older PVS-15, it is lighter(almost as light as a PVS-14), it is more versatile, and image are much better.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100701.jpg
Both or one of the tube can be lifted out of the way......for when you do not need the NVG while keeping the NVG capable for the other eye...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100704.jpg
With the Wilcox mount tilted back and the both tubes swing backwards, it also reduced the overall profile of the helmet while the NVG isn't in use.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100697.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100699.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100700.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100702.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100705.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100676.jpg
All three style NVG featured here, the PVS-7B, PVS-14, and PVS-15

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100564.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100567.jpg
The latest AN/PAS-13G is likely going to replace the CNVD-T2, it is so sensitive that you can literally read a report in the dark. since the thermal signature of the paper and ink are different, the PAS-13 can differentiated the thermal properties and make reading the report with the thermal possible. too bad it isn't a head mounted unit.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100563.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100565.jpg
CNVD-T

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100568.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100678.jpg

SMGLee
01-28-13, 20:55
Originally designed for Aviation, the AN/AVS-10 evolved into the GPNVG-18, made popular by the movie Zero Dark Thirty...
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100707.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100708.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/SG-005.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/SG-007.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/SG-009.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/SG-010.jpg
Ted is Zero Dark thirty....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100711.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100713.jpg
Its amazing how much smaller it is compare to the first article from three years ago....Insight's Fusion goggle..FGS

doriwoogie
01-28-13, 21:03
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/SG-010.jpg
Ted is Zero Dark thirty....



Hahaha great pic SMGLee. I have to ask, was Ted actually at their booth or did you do that?

SMGLee
01-28-13, 21:09
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100714.jpg
Cool little Ir laser unit, I am not exactly sure of the model number, and if this is available for civilian market purchase.... but it is a back to simplicity design like the good old PAQ-4, but with an build in mounting surface for the Insight MRDS....great little addition for those LE agency adapting the SIG MPX series of sub gun, compact laser with red dot...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100716.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100718.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100681.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100683.jpg
AN/PEQ15 vs. USMC only AN/PEQ16

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100684.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100685.jpg
AN/PSQ23A and RULR

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100686.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100687.jpg
The mother of all IR Laser designator.....50cal capable..LA-11A/PEQ

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100688.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100689.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100690.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100693.jpg
VSLIM, IR laser illuminator......

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100694.jpg

Jim D
01-28-13, 21:26
Love that .308 rail, I hope Monty can get one out for 5.56 guns, too!

Stickman
01-28-13, 21:31
Love that .308 rail, I hope Monty can get one out for 5.56 guns, too!


It is coming for the 5.56.

lethal dose
01-28-13, 21:33
I wonder if Monte's production model rail will have anti rotation tabs...

Iraqgunz
01-28-13, 22:01
The 5.56 will have them as stated previously. The 762 doesn't due to variations in the 762 upper designs.


I wonder if Monte's production model rail will have anti rotation tabs...

leibermuster
01-28-13, 22:05
HK seems to have adressed a lot of the 416's ergonomic (and maybe design) failures.

I really like the look of the new 10.5'' CQBR gun.

There are no failures.....

Just improvements I see.

Funny how HK & KAC are always neck & neck, best companies out there for sure...Good thing they were next to eachother at shot show, would have saved me half the time of walking around if i was there, best part of the show for sure.

Removing the Nub on the pistol grip is a welcome addition, more like the BCM version(I own that grip too :)) the ambi controls look great but I find it interesting to see which I would like more between HK & KAC.

If anyone can compare them I would love to here there thoughts?

The protusion by the Bolt catch is a welcome addition on the G28, wonder if that will be done to all the HK line in the future?

Great pics by the way, good stuff.

armakraut
01-28-13, 23:57
Are the 5.56 versions going to require the barrel nut be replaced?

Iraqgunz
01-29-13, 00:12
Both versions use a proprietary barrel nut.


Are the 5.56 versions going to require the barrel nut be replaced?

Eric_Oh
01-29-13, 03:43
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100662.jpg



What is that x300 mount? It looks like a mount designed to replace the clamp portion of the troy flip up front sight.

Any info on this?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

lethal dose
01-29-13, 05:54
The 5.56 will have them as stated previously. The 762 doesn't due to variations in the 762 upper designs.

Thanks!

lethal dose
01-29-13, 05:55
What is that x300 mount? It looks like a mount designed to replace the clamp portion of the troy flip up front sight.

Any info on this?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

That's Buck Mossie's mount.

Iraqgunz
01-29-13, 06:00
Works real good for that application and with that light.


What is that x300 mount? It looks like a mount designed to replace the clamp portion of the troy flip up front sight.

Any info on this?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Redbeardsong
01-29-13, 08:02
SMGLee, I really liked that LoPro rear BUIS on the 416a5 at SHOT, but our HK rep didn't know much about it. Do you know if that's an HK part, or someone else makes it?

ReaperAZ
01-29-13, 10:36
Thanks for the pictures SMGLee! I am really liking this new rail. I want to say I read somewhere that 8-12 weeks for the coming of the 5.56 rail. Going to be a long wait.......

snakedoctor
01-29-13, 10:57
Who makes the rail clamps for that Streamlight pressure pad?

Those are awfully nice.

If you're talking about those FDE pieces, they are LaRue Tactical index clips.

Arctic1
01-29-13, 11:11
It's a standard HK flip up rear sight.

http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/military/products/assault-rifles/hk416/hk416-10/accessories.html?tx_z7attachmentshk_pi3%5Barticle%5D=162&cHash=35df3d79564e6c6ccd67d2a9dd7d83ca

http://www.heckler-koch.com/typo3temp/pics/4796af3649.png

It is, like I said in my previous post, a crap sight. Elevation and windage adjustments are too crude, making it quite difficult to get a good zero. At 30 meters, one click of windage is 0,9cm and one click of elevation is 1,2cm. That equates to 3 cm windage adjustments and 4 cm elevation adjustments at 100 meters.

In addition, the locking mechanism is very bad, so the sight has a tendency to fall off during movement; I'm talking everything from patrolling to bounding during contact.

We are getting a new version after giving HK feedback, that includes a simple locking feature, preventing accidental release of the lever.

ETA: The one in the pics is the new version with the locking feature.

Arctic1
01-29-13, 11:23
Ah. I was wrong about rail height. It looked standard to me.

I've shot a 4X ACOG in awkward positions a bunch of times, and it sucks to due eye relief. It's not even a 416 problem, it's a problem with all flat top M4s. The only way it would stop sucking is to remove rear BUIS and mount it in front of the ACOG. Which you shouldn't have to do. I feel like the full rail should solve that problem.

As for the new front sight, I can't speak to it being better for sure out of experience, but it looks like it'd be better from pictures. The old one looked flimsy as hell. Like if you dropped the gun with BUIS deployed it'd bend or something.

The rear looks like shit. As you'd stated.

I also wasn't saying that the old AGR didn't work, I meant that the AGR didn't seem to be present on most of the American guns, or guns in the US Military supply system. (So I've heard. I'm not military so I can't back this up.) So actually having the AGR is an improvement.

As for the magazine well thing, it may not be STANAG compliant, but a lot of US servicemen use PMAGs, and I think the M27 IAR might even have been the reason why the Marine Corps banned polymer magazines. (This is what I've heard, but cannot confirm.)

The use of a USGI magazine well means that M27s can use PMAGs, and we can get more of them in the system.

Might not be an issue for you guys, but I've heard a lot of guys say it's an issue for us.

That said. My opinions are formed based on the information that I have, which probably isn't as much as somebody who uses the system as issued. Or full time. But I believe my observations still hold true for many.

Re the magazine well. There is no standard for the mag well, only the magazines. The HK416 came on the market before the PMAG, so saying that the mag well was a design flaw isn't really correct. Not putting down Magpul, as I would like to use the EMAG or Gen 3 PMAG myself, but the issue lies with the early gen PMAG not being STANAG spec. I understand the frustration.

I think the Norwegian mil is the only organization that has a system with an AGR on a large scale. Ironically enough, on the new guns we are getting the AGR is removed, it comes with a standard gas block, even though suppressors are being looked at as an accessory for wider fielding than just SOF.

The ACOG does have short eye relief, so that compounds the issue a bit.

The old front sight is solid enough. Bending it if dropped is a concern, but most keep it folded down while using the red dot.

SMGLee
01-29-13, 17:27
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110782.jpg
Talk about cool.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110783.jpg
The brilliant marketing machine that is Magpul, This is the best case study of marketing driving the demand. Magpul's understanding of the cool guy factor enable the well engineered product they produce are recognized and continued to be talked about through solid marketing.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110784.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110788.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110789.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110790.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110809.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110812.jpg
A new design by Magpul, The comfort sturdiness of a full stock but mate to a carbine buffer tube.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110802.jpg
Versions can be had with or without access to the end plate sling loop.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110810.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110813.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110805.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110791.jpg
The Magpul shotgun accessories are now available for both the Remington 870 and Mossberg series.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110793.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110794.jpg
With optional sling loop

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110833.jpg
Magpul AK grip

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110835.jpg

SMGLee
01-29-13, 17:35
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110847.jpg
Featured at last year's SHOT, the grip panel hand stop are an alternative to the AFG. I prefer this version which keeps my grip closer to the bore without overly increase the overall gripping surface.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110820.jpg
New angled grip.....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110821.jpg
Seen at last year's SHOt, the new M3 magazine are in full production to meet the current market demand.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110827.jpg
Added mag catch over travel stop is a welcome feature.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110825.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110828.jpg
Reinforced stop at the rear of the mag also.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110829.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110830.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110840.jpg
M3 version of the 7.62 P-Mag....I know which mag to run in my new Centurion Arms 308 rifle....

FMJ556
01-29-13, 17:59
Looking at Magpul's amazing success story I am reminded of the quote from the film "The Graduate":

"There's a great future in plastics. Think about it. Will you think about it".


Hope these products make to market soon. Seems to take forever for things to ship. Am sure it wont improve anytime soon.

Shooter07
01-29-13, 19:19
Thank you for the detailed reports and pics. It's always nice to get a good look at what's around the corner.

jaxman7
01-29-13, 19:19
The hippies in Boulder are smoking copious amounts of weed now. Trying to avert the anger brought up after seeing their beloved VW van desecrated with a roof mounted evil death dealing machine gun. ;)

SMGLee,

Very much appreciate you taking the time to post all your pics in the SHOT show subforum. Alot of work I know but we are very thankful.

-Jax

BrigandTwoFour
01-29-13, 19:36
That fixed stock that fits on a carbine tube has my attention for some reason.

Is it the same length as a fully collapsed MOE, or more in line with the length of an A1/A2 stock? Do you know if it would fit over an A5 extension?

Magic_Salad0892
01-29-13, 20:11
Re the magazine well. There is no standard for the mag well, only the magazines. The HK416 came on the market before the PMAG, so saying that the mag well was a design flaw isn't really correct. Not putting down Magpul, as I would like to use the EMAG or Gen 3 PMAG myself, but the issue lies with the early gen PMAG not being STANAG spec. I understand the frustration.

I didn't know that the 416 came before the PMAG. I'm wrong about that being a flaw then.


I think the Norwegian mil is the only organization that has a system with an AGR on a large scale. Ironically enough, on the new guns we are getting the AGR is removed, it comes with a standard gas block, even though suppressors are being looked at as an accessory for wider fielding than just SOF.

How come your newer guns aren't coming with AGR? Do you know?

Arctic1
01-30-13, 02:11
I'm not totally sure why they chose to not go with the AGR on the new guns, but I suspect that it stems from the perceived issues we had with the version before the modification. I think that the NDLO is afraid that the AGR has become a point of uncertainty among some units, that it is viewed as unreliable, so they decided to just remove it.

RyanB
01-30-13, 03:31
The mag well is a failure of those who write specifications, not HK.

karmapolice
01-30-13, 09:10
any news of them offering the a5 as an upper deal? Not that it would be affordable especially in the current market.

03humpalot
01-30-13, 09:30
The ammunition assist pawls on the 121 feed tray was a SMART addition. Neat looking gun.

Voodoochild
01-30-13, 09:45
Lee or anyone from CA can you answer whether or not CA will be getting into the 300 BLK market with barrels?

Magsz
01-30-13, 14:27
If you're talking about those FDE pieces, they are LaRue Tactical index clips.

Negative.

I am talking about whatever is holding on the streamlight pressure switch.

There appears to be a picatinny "plate", "Pocket"or adapter that is holding the switch itself onto the rail. The last time i looked at streamlight pressure pads they were just that, pressure pads, they did NOT have provisions to mount directly to a 1913 rail.

thopkins22
01-30-13, 14:41
Negative.

I am talking about whatever is holding on the streamlight pressure switch.

There appears to be a picatinny "plate", "Pocket"or adapter that is holding the switch itself onto the rail. The last time i looked at streamlight pressure pads they were just that, pressure pads, they did NOT have provisions to mount directly to a 1913 rail.

Yeah I see them too and wonder. Looks slick.

Definitely a pressure pad mount.

Quiet-Matt
01-30-13, 15:00
That mount and pressure pad are from streamlight. You can get it all as a kit. Thats how mine came.

Magsz
01-30-13, 16:00
That mount and pressure pad are from streamlight. You can get it all as a kit. Thats how mine came.

Cool, my experience is a few years old when they were simply shipping a pressure pad...or the user left that part off. :)

Cagemonkey
01-30-13, 20:07
The Carbine tube fixed stock would be even better if they came out with an A5 tube variant.

SMGLee
01-31-13, 00:24
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100968.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100969.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100971.jpg

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100984.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100985.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110008.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110013.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110014.jpg

SMGLee
01-31-13, 00:31
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P11100988.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100990.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100993.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100998.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100994.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100997.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100996.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110015.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110016.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110017.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110018.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110019.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110020.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110021.jpg

SMGLee
01-31-13, 00:33
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110024.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110026.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110027.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110003.jpg
Largest vs. the smallest....does size matter?

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110005.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110010.jpg

Rockhopper
01-31-13, 00:49
what did you think about that hazard 4 battle axe case that looks like a guitar case?

RichFitz
01-31-13, 03:24
The Carbine tube fixed stock would be even better if they came out with an A5 tube variant.

The MOE Fixed Carbine Stock is designed to work with both regular and A5 length carbine tubes.

RichFitz
01-31-13, 03:31
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110782.jpg
Talk about cool.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110783.jpg
The brilliant marketing machine that is Magpul, This is the best case study of marketing driving the demand. Magpul's understanding of the cool guy factor enable the well engineered product they produce are recognized and continued to be talked about through solid marketing.



LOL. You make it sound like there is a bunch of us with marketing MBAs sitting around a conference table planing everything with focus group studies.

In reality a couple of us really like VW buses and once we stuck the "Peace Through Superior Firepower" sticker on the back of this one, the only logical progression was to add a minigun.

Bowser
01-31-13, 06:17
I liked the blue "medical" kit in the VW.

Bowser
01-31-13, 06:24
It was really cool talking to Monty about this rifle and his rail. Very glad I got my Douglas barrel from him!

BrigandTwoFour
01-31-13, 08:33
The MOE Fixed Carbine Stock is designed to work with both regular and A5 length carbine tubes.

That sounds great! What about the length? Does it come out to roughly the same length as the fixed MOE stock (which I have another rifle and really like) or a collapsed stock?

RIGPIG
01-31-13, 08:58
Everything looks great. I wish they'd start making forearms and stocks for semi auto shotguns, like my Benelli M2 and FNH SLP!

BTL BRN
01-31-13, 10:37
I have to wonder if there will be any further texture added to that AK grip, when I held it the angle/etc felt fantastic; but it was quite slick. :confused:

Brahmzy
01-31-13, 10:55
...like my Benelli M2...

This. My M2T is sporting a Mesa stock right now, but the overall quality/ergo it not as impressive as Benelli's, or something that would come out of MagPul.
The Remmys and Mossys were low hanging fruit to feed the masses and of course make sense to hit those markets first.
Now I'd love to see Magpul design an awesome Benelli line - I think there's enough out there.

SPQR476
01-31-13, 11:59
I have to wonder if there will be any further texture added to that AK grip, when I held it the angle/etc felt fantastic; but it was quite slick. :confused:

Both the K2 and the AK grip at SHOT were pre-texture molded parts with some matte clear on to knock down the shine. They are both in the process of texture addition right now.

Littlelebowski
01-31-13, 12:31
New angled MOE + grips, gotta get me some of that :D

Brahmzy
01-31-13, 12:44
New angled MOE + grips, gotta get me some of that :D

Pretty sure it ain't gonna be a "+", unfortunately. I'll have to resort to inner tubes. But yeah - can't wait for the K2!

SMGLee
01-31-13, 13:02
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110445.jpg
This year SIG unvealed a new subgun chambered in 9mm, 40SW or 357 SIG. this little gem is highly configurable so caliber changes only involved a few parts and can be done quickly on a depot level.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110446.jpg
As most of you might say, who still use a 9mm Subgun? truth is the 9mm subgun is still prevalent throughout the world. So I think the market for a updated modern 9mm subgun could have legs in the mil and LE areana. and not discounting the large American civilian gun market.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110447.jpg
This gun is designed by a ex HK engineer that took the issues that associated with the MP5 and designed a platform that did away most of the complains of the MP5. Even the control surface are very M16 centric for best available egronomics

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110448.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110449.jpg
The stock is extremely short, even for an Asian....but it is supposed to be design for user with armor. I would hope that make a longer stock with multiple stops.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110451.jpg
My compain is the retractable stock can be pull completely out of battery and detach from the gun very easily. that is something SIG will have to address.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110454.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110455.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110499.jpg

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110519.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110521.jpg

SMGLee
01-31-13, 13:02
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110516.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110517.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110497.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110503.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110523.jpg
This is extremely interesting from SIG. some of those have seen it, will recognize the so call muzzle brake on this civilian legal, ATF approved MPX as the baffle stack from a HK MP5SD. and as you can see, the front of the "Muzzle Brake" is threaded. and SIG sell a tube and end cap that will go right over the "Muzzle Brake" to turn it into a suppressor. of course the tube is numbered, Marked, and it is tax stamp required.



http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110457.jpg

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110488.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110489.jpg

SMGLee
01-31-13, 13:19
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110515.jpg
Interesting concept from SIG, instead of adding to the length, they increase the width to maintain the same volume and decrease the length of the can. sound concept, I wonder how does it work!

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110514.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110540.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110541.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110456.jpg

thopkins22
01-31-13, 13:27
The muzzle brake that you can turn into a suppressor with the tube is a very cool idea. And here I thought all Sig was good for these days was obnoxious colors and theme guns.

Actually the rest of the MPX looked pretty cool too.

Dozer
01-31-13, 14:20
New angled MOE + grips, gotta get me some of that :D

Pay attention gents, that's how you submit a product request. :D

Big A
01-31-13, 14:26
Pay attention gents, that's how you submit a product request. :D

Ok then,

I'd love some Mini-14 Pmags. Then I would have mags for my Mini that actually work without going into bankruptcy...

You're ROFLOL aren't you...

Brahmzy
01-31-13, 14:29
Pay attention gents, that's how you submit a product request. :D

LOL. Note to self.

Littlelebowski
01-31-13, 14:29
Pay attention gents, that's how you submit a product request. :D

You could corner the market on heavily used 5.45 ARs :D

tctlrld
01-31-13, 14:58
Did they give a list price on the PVS-31?

Cagemonkey
01-31-13, 16:38
The MOE Fixed Carbine Stock is designed to work with both regular and A5 length carbine tubes.Thanks, thats awesome. Can't wait

Juicebox
01-31-13, 18:43
Did they give a list price on the PVS-31?

I believe its LE/MIL only at the moment.

We got ours for around $10k

Showgun
01-31-13, 20:34
I want to ride that short bus...

Showgun
01-31-13, 20:37
great perspectives.

Littlelebowski
01-31-13, 20:46
Pay attention gents, that's how you submit a product request. :D

How about a water proof grip insert that I can twist open and closed? One I can open without a flathead? Anything water proof that I can open more easily than what is currently offered. I'll blog about it to my whopping 40 some odd readers :D

patriot_man
01-31-13, 23:11
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100527.jpg
One Millionth EOTech.....


No gold plating? :p



Also AA for the PVS-31? Surprised that CR123 isn't used.

Swamp Yankee
02-01-13, 07:47
I am freaking EXCITED about the new fixed carbine stock! The fact that they also work on the A5 tube sealed the deal. I will be buying two as soon as they are available and probobly some K2 grips to go with them. I am curios to see how they will compare to my Umbrella grips.

GREAT JOB MAGPUL!!!

Caeser25
02-01-13, 17:28
I see the controls on the MPX are based on the AR, how about the internals? If so, how does it work without a receiver extension. Why can't a civilian AR if the rear portion of the carrier is only to trip the sear?

bruin
02-01-13, 17:33
Does anyone know the official LOP of the fixed carbine stock?

SPQR476
02-01-13, 18:00
Does anyone know the official LOP of the fixed carbine stock?

12.375"

bruin
02-01-13, 18:04
Thanks Duane.

deadduck357
02-01-13, 18:32
what did you think about that hazard 4 battle axe case that looks like a guitar case?

It looked 'cool' but it's big, a lot to lug around.

Dunderway
02-01-13, 20:35
The muzzle brake that you can turn into a suppressor with the tube is a very cool idea. And here I thought all Sig was good for these days was obnoxious colors and theme guns.

Actually the rest of the MPX looked pretty cool too.

I agree, it is very cool. When I first saw it I assumed it was just some more awesome styling by Sigs design team, but this is pretty neat.

Has a projected MSRP been announced?

Dunderway
02-01-13, 20:37
I see the controls on the MPX are based on the AR, how about the internals? If so, how does it work without a receiver extension. Why can't a civilian AR if the rear portion of the carrier is only to trip the sear?

I believe there was a recent thread that went into pretty good detail on this. Try searching "Law Tactical folding stock" or "ZM weapons".

Magic_Salad0892
02-01-13, 21:15
Why does that bolt gun have three selector markings?

Atlshaun
02-01-13, 21:19
Great pics

Juicebox
02-01-13, 21:23
No gold plating? :p



Also AA for the PVS-31? Surprised that CR123 isn't used.

That single AA in the PVS-31 last 50% longer than in a PVS-15.

The battery pack supplied with the PVS-31 also serves as a great counter balance when loaded with the AAs.

thopkins22
02-01-13, 21:41
Why does that bolt gun have three selector markings?

My guess is that it's like a Winchester Model 70 and you can't run the bolt not fire the weapon on one, you can run the bolt but can't fire the weapon on the middle, and you can both cycle the bolt and fire the weapon on the third. Just a guess though....


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

ClearedHot
02-01-13, 23:17
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100683.jpg
AN/PEQ15 vs. USMC only AN/PEQ16

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/large/P1100684.jpg



That's actually an LA-5/PEQ (high power version) and not a PEQ-15.

ClearedHot
02-01-13, 23:22
I'm curious as to how L3's PVS-31 BNVD system compares to the BNVD-G (with ITT Pinnacle tubes) from NVDepot.

Magic_Salad0892
02-02-13, 03:50
I'm not totally sure why they chose to not go with the AGR on the new guns, but I suspect that it stems from the perceived issues we had with the version before the modification. I think that the NDLO is afraid that the AGR has become a point of uncertainty among some units, that it is viewed as unreliable, so they decided to just remove it.

That makes sense, kinda. What were the issues you guys had with it before?

Did you guys ever have problems with the AGR freezing up in colder temperatures?

Arctic1
02-02-13, 05:37
I have posted on the HK416 in this thread, so for more in-depth information, go there:

http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=92876&highlight=HK416&page=4

Short version is that the NDLO did not allow end-users to disassemble the AGR for maintenance, so it had a tendency to pop out or wiggle the the supressed setting without user manipulation due to gun powder residue build up. This was in direct contradiction to HK's own instructions, stating to clean it every 1200-1400 rounds. We modified it, so it's now a non-issue (and would have been initially if it hadn't been for NDLO retard policy).

No issues with the AGR freezing up in the cold. Cold issues is not a HK416 particular issue, it goes for all guns. If you do not apply proper field maintenance to any gun in cold weather conditions, you will have problems.

So yes, we have had fire controls, charging handles etc freeze, but those issues are due to improper field care, not because the weapon is crap.

Magic_Salad0892
02-02-13, 05:39
I have posted on the HK416 in this thread, so for more in-depth information, go there:

http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=92876&highlight=HK416&page=4

Short version is that the NDLO did not allow end-users to disassemble the AGR for maintenance, so it had a tendency to pop out or wiggle the the supressed setting without user manipulation due to gun powder residue build up. This was in direct contradiction to HK's own instructions, stating to clean it every 1200-1400 rounds. We modified it, so it's now a non-issue (and would have been initially if it hadn't been for NDLO retard policy).

No issues with the AGR freezing up in the cold. Cold issues is not a HK416 particular issue, it goes for all guns. If you do not apply proper field maintenance to any gun in cold weather conditions, you will have problems.

So yes, we have had fire controls, charging handles etc freeze, but those issues are due to improper field care, not because the weapon is crap.

I understand. Thank you very much for your experience/information, Arctic.


Hey. It just struck me. Will the Gieselle 416 rails be compatable with the new HK guns? And are the new 416 variants coming to the US?

SMGLee
02-03-13, 15:24
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110604.jpg
Latest coolness from Wilcox is an alternative to the Ops Core VAS shroud. the Ops Core shroud is sometime loose with various mounts attached to it, the Wilcox unit is more precised machined and manufactured. once the G24 locks into the Wilcox shroud, there is NO movement....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110605.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110606.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110607.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110608.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110611.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110610.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110613.jpg
Helmet shroud compatible to the curvature of the Team Wendy Helmet...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110627.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110616.jpg
Stand alone head strap mount for your NVG.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110617.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110618.jpg

SMGLee
02-03-13, 15:29
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110623.jpg
Wilcox Mission Helmet Recording Systems is rumored to be the camera that recorded the Bin Laden raid....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110624.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110625.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110626.jpg

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110629.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110630.jpg
Wilcox take on the PEQ15

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110631.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110633.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110635.jpg
The PEQ16 version...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110637.jpg

SMGLee
02-03-13, 15:34
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110651.jpg
Crew Served Thermal imaging/targeting system..remote capable.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110652.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110653.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110654.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110656.jpg
Viewing adapter remove out of way for direct optical aim.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110658.jpg
Not a lot of manufacture make a helmet mount for the MUMs...This dual MUMs unit by Wilcox is a very innovative design for use with one or two tube unit.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110661.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110659.jpg

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110662.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110665.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110666.jpg

lethal dose
02-03-13, 18:05
The optic is made by DI Optical USA.

MrSmitty
02-03-13, 19:08
That K2 grip is EXACTLY what I need...

Ever since the K came out, I had wished it was thicker and wider. Somewhere between a MIAD medium and large. Looks like its coming! Adding a + to it would be icing on the cake...

Littlelebowski
02-03-13, 19:15
Redesign the storage compartment access on the grips!

SMGLee
02-04-13, 14:41
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110693.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110694.jpg
TNVC TN-PVS14, FDE and multicam finish are offered....


http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110698.jpg
WASP is alternative to PVS22 with a much lower price point. tube are available in either ITT or L3.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110699.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110700.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110701.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110703.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110704.jpg
Estimated cost for the WASP is going to be under 5000.00.


http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110708.jpg
Torch Pro is an IR illuminator that is adjustable from 1-10 degrees, the IR beam can be seen out 600-800 yards.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110710.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110711.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110709.jpg
Spuhr manufactured dual PVS14 head strap mount.....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110714.jpg
The Aimpoint twist mount has been a very simple and very effective design to add a magnifier to the red dot sight. It has often been mentioned by users that the Aimpoint solution for mounting the magnifier to the red dot are more effective than the flip to side EOTech design. wait no more, TNVC released a mount for your EOTech magnifier to run in-conjunction with the Aimpoint twist mount and TNVC also released a PVS14 ring that will give you the ability to run the magnifier or the NVG behind your favorite red dot.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110716.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110717.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110720.jpg

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110726.jpg

dangerdan
02-04-13, 16:10
The dust cover on the 416A5s are plastic?

Hunter Rose
02-04-13, 16:34
The dust cover on the 416A5s are plastic?

Dust covers on 416s have been polymer for awhile now. No real issues.

Arctic1
02-04-13, 16:39
Dust covers on 416s have been polymer for awhile now. No real issues.

Yup. No issues.

SMGLee
02-04-13, 18:37
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110918.jpg
Eagle CIRAS was and still is the armor carrier that all other carriers are measured against. Eagle once owned the contract to provide CIRAS to all SOCOM units. just recently Eagle again won that honor with the MMAC. The MMAC is not going to equip all SOCOM forces going in harms way...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110921.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110920.jpg

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110919.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110888.jpg
This is a back support that is bolted to the rigid backing in the armored belt, it form the backbone to the new back pack carrier system.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110889.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110905.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110906.jpg

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SMGLee
02-04-13, 18:39
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110890.jpg

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SMGLee
02-04-13, 18:44
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110910.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110911.jpg
Eagle Ind's very own Chief McStache.....former 160th CW, he is now the man behind a lot of the development at Eagle.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110912.jpg

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110908.jpg
Chief getting a thumbs up from M4carbine.net's very own Mod, Militarymoron.....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110909.jpg
Chief McStache sporting a SMGLee patch....Thanks Cheif!

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110928.jpg
some dude... or maybe HoTac looking over the very cool Aircrew system at Eagle's booth

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110893.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110894.jpg

bleaman225
02-04-13, 21:11
Awesome gear. Thanks for the pictures.

That mustache is epic. My former stache wishes it could be half the stache his is. To it's defense (my mustache), it was windy that morning on Katahdin. Also it had been many days since I showered. You can almost smell me through the photo..

http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu29/benleaman/Permanent/VIDEO0005_0000017646_zpse830fd1f.jpg

TCBA_Joe
02-04-13, 21:24
Estimated MSRP on the LDI OV-3 Gen III?

DiabhailGadhar
02-04-13, 22:24
I swear if I ever go there I'm going to plasticuff myself to keep my sticky fingers from losing their minds....lol. That is one sexy collection of toys!!:D

SMGLee
02-05-13, 13:46
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110848.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110849.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110850.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110851.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110852.jpg
Developed with LASD to provide a weapon light that can double as a handheld light for Deputies on duty.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110854.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110855.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110856.jpg
From a simple 500 lumens P1R to 800 lumens P3X Fury to the ultimate in your lighting requirement...the Dominator at a whooping 2000lumens...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110857.jpg

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Hellfighter Jr.....


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The longest running product line at Surefire has been their shotgun fore-end light. this is a prototype of their updated or more of a evolution of their original design.

SMGLee
02-05-13, 13:58
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110873.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110874.jpg
This is the new Vampire lamp assembly, much smaller in diameter....

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The coolness of an optional blue laser.....Surefire X400

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HKocher
02-05-13, 14:24
MSRP on the x400u with green laser?

SMGLee
02-05-13, 14:28
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110279.jpg
Troy brought out a very compact PDW, this is the same concept that LWRC had in their booth but Troy's take is with a DI gas version.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110280.jpg

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kyrin88
02-05-13, 15:05
They got some cool stuff this year. The troy rail on the mp5 looks nice.

Freelance
02-05-13, 15:15
What is that x300 mount? It looks like a mount designed to replace the clamp portion of the troy flip up front sight.

Any info on this?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Yeah that's my 300 BLK upper in the shot


http://battlecomp.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=52

Mossie Mount for Troy Flip up sights.

As you observed it replaces the stock lock nut from the Troy BUIS. Rock solid and allows me to run the light without a tape switch ( I hate tape switches.) That set up worked perfectly on the Fortis rail with that 300 BLK upper.

Thanks for the great pics SMGLee!!!

SMGLee
02-05-13, 17:55
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SMGLee
02-05-13, 17:58
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110228.jpg
Very slick 5.56 magazine adapter for the Polish Beryl....

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ICANHITHIMMAN
02-05-13, 18:43
Very EASTERNER BLOCK looking, but I think I could glow to love them. The more modern design at top reminds me of an XM8/SCAR clone of some sort. The next looks like a Tavor with a longer forearm.

Mate
02-05-13, 20:13
M600 Ultra.

I can now die in peace.

SeriousStudent
02-05-13, 20:41
Thanks for the pics on the shotgun light. I have a couple of the older ones, and have been interested in the new ones that were announced.

buckjay
02-05-13, 21:10
M600 Ultra.

I can now die in peace.

Was announced last year too. Here's to hoping it shows up in 2013.

jpmuscle
02-05-13, 21:14
Was announced last year too. Here's to hoping it shows up in 2013.

I noticed RSR recently added them to their product inventory so hopefully that is a good sign.

threeheadeddog
02-05-13, 21:22
I want the subgun in a semi.

Dave L.
02-06-13, 01:18
Who's making the PDW stock system? Seems like that would be a good seller on it's own.

patriot_man
02-06-13, 02:25
That blue laser is really eye catching.


I WANT :D

dangerdan
02-06-13, 07:35
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110710.jpg

What upper receiver is this?

montrala
02-06-13, 08:24
The more modern design at top reminds me of an XM8/SCAR clone of some sort. The next looks like a Tavor with a longer forearm.

You are an exemption with XM8/SCAR. Most of people scream "ACR clone - they should sue!". Actually initial prototypes were more influenced by SCAR, but this changed over development process. Internally very different from all 3 of those (except general layout of short stroke piston with multilug rotating bolt).

Bulpup is designed for maximum parts commonality with regular rifle (all internals of upper are same). Upper receiver will be milled out of same extrusion. Bulpup (in long barrel version) will use same grenade launcher. Interesting feature planned for bulpup is trigger finger magazine release (ambi). Bolt release will be Tavor style (back of magazine well).

colthpd15
02-06-13, 09:07
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110710.jpg

What upper receiver is this?

Looks like the Spikes Tactical compressor. Question is what caliber 5.56 or 300blk

ICANHITHIMMAN
02-06-13, 18:24
You are an exemption with XM8/SCAR. Most of people scream "ACR clone - they should sue!". Actually initial prototypes were more influenced by SCAR, but this changed over development process. Internally very different from all 3 of those (except general layout of short stroke piston with multilug rotating bolt).

Bulpup is designed for maximum parts commonality with regular rifle (all internals of upper are same). Upper receiver will be milled out of same extrusion. Bulpup (in long barrel version) will use same grenade launcher. Interesting feature planned for bulpup is trigger finger magazine release (ambi). Bolt release will be Tavor style (back of magazine well).

Hay thanks for the run down, the parts commonality is very cool. I'm interested to see a trigger finger mag release, to me it screams "oops I meant to drop the mag sorry for shooting you in the back ALOJZY".

montrala
02-06-13, 18:44
Hay thanks for the run down, the parts commonality is very cool. I'm interested to see a trigger finger mag release, to me it screams "oops I meant to drop the mag sorry for shooting you in the back ALOJZY".

When you look at photo of bulpup mockup, there is a button placed on side of lower receiver, above trigger. Exactly same spot as on regular version. So trigger finger must go outside triggerguard to reach for it. You also use trigger finger to operate M4 mag release, and G.I. Joe seem to not mind. Alojzy is safe as well :sarcastic:

ICANHITHIMMAN
02-06-13, 20:54
OK,OK not bad at all. I envisioned it different.

SMGLee
02-08-13, 13:46
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110727.jpg

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Updated AR10 with a higher front sight base to work with BUIS on the flat top receiver. ala the M4 "F" front post....

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SMGLee
02-08-13, 13:52
Some of the guns below are displayed to gauge public reaction as to the feasibility of bring it to the market....

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SMGLee
02-08-13, 14:05
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100887.jpg
Midwest developed a SCAR rail adapter, which replaced the entire lower rail assembly to ensure extreme rigid platform...

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An added puistn guide to help remove of the piston assembly during cleaning.

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Midwest has to be one of the less mentioned accessories manufacture in the AR market. from their superb SPLP rear BUIS to this new slim lin tube handguard, the recent design, quality and workship is on level with any of the top notch companies.....

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For a tube handguard, this unit is slim line, light weight and very easy to install.

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Locks into the barrel nut to ensure a complete alignment between the receiver and the top rail.

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SMGLee
02-08-13, 14:10
ADM is another one of those under the radar manufacture that continue to turn out extremely well designed QD mount to feed the optic market.

True to their testament, ADM mount and QD lever was selected as the mounting solution for the FN SCAR-H SSR/Mk20. This mount is now being manufactured by FN in house as the OEM mount for the Mk20 as it is being supplied to the end users.

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Drummer
02-08-13, 18:42
Any mention of importing any Archers with 1 in 7" twist barrels?

SMGLee
02-08-13, 18:44
The PVS31 is extremely light weight in compare to the BNVD. also the tubes in the PVS31 is amazing and clear. the option of a light weight twin tube is long over due and the PVS31 answers the call. only drawback is the price, I am told the unit will retail over 10k.


Chen

SMGLee
02-08-13, 18:46
That's actually an LA-5/PEQ (high power version) and not a PEQ-15.

It is listed in the Insight produce guide as the AN-PEq15 family, which consist of the PEQ in various colors, laser options and upgrades such as LA5.

SMGLee
02-08-13, 23:24
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SMGLee
02-08-13, 23:25
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VIP3R 237
02-09-13, 12:59
Their Airlight rig is a very nice set up.

DiabhailGadhar
02-09-13, 15:11
Is it just me or does that .45 resemble a cz-75?

TiroFijo
02-09-13, 17:09
The pistols are CZ75 clones made in turkey.

Who makes the revolvers?

Big A
02-09-13, 17:18
Pay attention gents, that's how you submit a product request. :D

I wouldn't mind an MVG/RVG with storage for CR 123A batteries.

And I was serious about Pmags for the Mini-14. I think you guys could corner the market for them...not gonna hold my breath though.

Thank you for your great products gentlemen...:cool:

tostado22
02-09-13, 19:14
Very happy to see the AK grip! I want to try the BCM Gunfighter grip and the new angle Magpul side by side now. Good to see more new products!

lethal dose
02-09-13, 22:22
The revolvers are stamped "made in turkey". Nice looking, either way.

Dave L.
02-09-13, 23:48
Anyone know if their SPLP rear and LP front sights sit lower than Troy's?

If anyone has the measurements of the sight heights of both Troy and MI (in the down position) that would be awesome.

bruin
02-10-13, 00:08
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100899.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1100901.jpgThis is interesting... it looks like their SS Drop-In Two Piece rail but without the delta ring. I'm guessing it's a free float version that bolts directly on the barrel nut. But does it use the handguard cap?

My concern with this bolt-on rail design is that the small sections are held on by only a single button screw, which is threaded in aluminum. No steel backer plate. Could a sharp blow to whatever the rail is holding shear the screw right off?

sixfootbrit
02-10-13, 14:17
Any more details on the NVG mesh hat?

Dmaynor
02-10-13, 14:42
Oh its a mesh hat, i was hoping it was a AirFrame helmet cover that was not in multicam. I am not a multicam fan.

Voodoo_Man
02-10-13, 14:45
That airlite looks awesome.

Cincinnatus
02-10-13, 14:52
Who's making the PDW stock system? Seems like that would be a good seller on it's own.

+1 on that! It would probably use a stubby, proprietary carrier too, right?
Update. Looks like it's made by SPEX.
http://northeasternarms.com/compact-carbine-stock-ccs-5-56mm

Vash1023
02-10-13, 15:05
Oh its a mesh hat, i was hoping it was a AirFrame helmet cover that was not in multicam. I am not a multicam fan.

multicam is by far and above the best camo patter (currently) in use.
just because you dont "like" it dosent mean its not the best.

Dmaynor
02-10-13, 15:24
multicam is by far and above the best camo patter (currently) in use.
just because you dont "like" it dosent mean its not the best.

Oh, i misspoke. I am a civilian, i don't wear camo to work. When i buy stuff like plate carriers or helmets i prefer them to be solid colors like coyote brown or gray. I have nothing against multicam, I just have no use for it personally. If i were going to a hostile environment I would want multicam.

I have a bare airframe and i don't want to put the multicam cover on it, i would prefer something else.

Vash1023
02-10-13, 15:55
Oh, i misspoke. I am a civilian, i don't wear camo to work. When i buy stuff like plate carriers or helmets i prefer them to be solid colors like coyote brown or gray. I have nothing against multicam, I just have no use for it personally. If i were going to a hostile environment I would want multicam.

I have a bare airframe and i don't want to put the multicam cover on it, i would prefer something else.


Got ya.
Greg over at Crye said most of their products will follow suit and be made in their black, tan and Green? (can't remember) Colors.

So yes you will likely be able to get it, not a solid color eventually.

VIP3R 237
02-10-13, 15:56
multicam is by far and above the best camo patter (currently) in use.
just because you dont "like" it dosent mean its not the best.

Off topic but the Kryptek patterns imo are superior even to multicam, and are looking to be the winner of the new competition.

Vash1023
02-10-13, 16:00
Off topic but the Kryptek patterns imo are superior even to multicam, and are looking to be the winner of the new competition.

I don't disagree that the pattern is nice but the color selection is my biggest gripe.
Multicam works because it has multiple colors and blends in with multiple environments. (no other camo has been able to achieve this level of multi environmental capability)

Kryptek has specific colors and patterns for specific locations.

That's why I think multicam is the best.

Stickman
02-10-13, 17:21
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8460785852_058d15daae_o.jpg

militarymoron
02-10-13, 18:17
the 'mesh cap/hat' is the Night Cap - a soft alternative to the skull crusher NVG head mount. it's for using NVGs when you don't want to use a helmet. folds up and stuffs into a sleeve pocket. obviously not as stable as a helmet, but there's always a tradeoff.

while the Airlite plate carrier is super light, it's a minimalist carrier and won't be a comfortable as one with more padding.

i'm really liking the new AVS (Adaptive Vest System), which is an incredibly modular system that bridges the JPC and the CPC and is StKSS compatible. the JPC was my favourite plate carrier until they debuted the AVS. soldier systems has the 2013 Crye catalog on scribed - http://soldiersystems.net/2013/01/22/crye-precision-2013-catalog/, so check out the descriptions to SMGLee's photos there.

as Vash pointed out above, comparing multicam to kryptek or any other environmental-optimized camo is apples to oranges. an extreme example would be some of the very specific hunting patterns that are photo-realistic representations of particular environments, and work better than anything else in those environments, but nowhere else.

an optimized-environment pattern is always going to trump a multi-environment pattern in the AO it's designed for, but also comes with its own set of issues when going from one environment to another (sometimes in the course of a single day), and logistical issues.

sixfootbrit
02-10-13, 20:59
the 'mesh cap/hat' is the Night Cap - a soft alternative to the skull crusher NVG head mount. it's for using NVGs when you don't want to use a helmet. folds up and stuffs into a sleeve pocket. obviously not as stable as a helmet, but there's always a tradeoff.



Thanks for the extra info, it's an intriguing concept.

Dmaynor
02-10-13, 22:27
the 'mesh cap/hat' is the Night Cap - a soft alternative to the skull crusher NVG head mount. it's for using NVGs when you don't want to use a helmet. folds up and stuffs into a sleeve pocket. obviously not as stable as a helmet, but there's always a tradeoff.

Thats cool. I just watched the night fighting video with John Chapman about NVG skills building. His take on standard skull crushers was to dump them.

http://www.panteaoproductions.com/instructors/john-chapman

Dave L.
02-10-13, 23:51
http://northeasternarms.com/compact-carbine-stock-ccs-5-56mm

Good spot.

VIP3R 237
02-11-13, 00:19
I don't disagree that the pattern is nice but the color selection is my biggest gripe.
Multicam works because it has multiple colors and blends in with multiple environments. (no other camo has been able to achieve this level of multi environmental capability)

Kryptek has specific colors and patterns for specific locations.

That's why I think multicam is the best.

True, i do like Multicam and across most environments it is very tough to beat. I think the Highlander pattern comes very close to Multicam's ability to blend with most surroundings.

Anyways back to the thread and us admiring Caleb Crye's amazing work, kinda disappointed there is no photos with the Hot Shot girls though. :D

montrala
02-11-13, 10:25
Any mention of importing any Archers with 1 in 7" twist barrels?

No. Archers are made only with 1/9" barrel, as this is standard twist selected by Polish military for wz. 96 Beryl. Archer barrels are made is same batches as barrels for Beryls, so it is not possible to change twist. And most of people like it to have same twist as "real Beryl".

BTW 1/10" twist advertised by IO is an error that they seem to be unable correct. How they came that 228mm equals 1/10" is a mystery. 228mm is in fact 1/8.98".

SMGLee
02-11-13, 14:49
Hey. It just struck me. Will the Gieselle 416 rails be compatable with the new HK guns? And are the new 416 variants coming to the US?

I am told the HK 416A5 will be HK's answer for the next US military carbine.....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss13/huge/P1110076.jpg
This image should sort of answer your question, from the look of the centering lug, it will not be compatible.

SMGLee
02-11-13, 14:55
Looks like the Spikes Tactical compressor. Question is what caliber 5.56 or 300blk

Its 5.56

SMGLee
02-11-13, 15:01
Awesome gear. Thanks for the pictures.

That mustache is epic. My former stache wishes it could be half the stache his is. To it's defense (my mustache), it was windy that morning on Katahdin. Also it had been many days since I showered. You can almost smell me through the photo..

Bleaman, As far back as I can remember, Cheif McStache has been working on the stache......he has patches and stocks made of that famous stache....Few more years, yours will be just as impressive...LOL

bleaman225
02-11-13, 21:34
Dedication. I love it.

Unfortunately, mine has met the sharp edge of a razor. Job interviews and an out of control mustache didn't seem to mesh.

sinlessorrow
02-12-13, 13:02
Have any changes been made to the operating parts? BCG/op rod, ect?

The mag well change was much needed. There is no such thing as STANAG 4179. The reason for the magwell is for use with the British blank mag, thats the sole reason. LAV mentioned this in one episode of Tac-TV

Arctic1
02-12-13, 14:27
The STANAG, 4179, is still the standard used when talking about that specific magazine design, and it is referred to as Draft STANAG 4179. Does HK's high reliability mag fit in the M4? Does a USGI aluminium mag fit the HK416?

The answer is yes on both, because both mags are STANAG compliant. If the PMAG was STANAG compliant, it would fit all weapons made to accept STANAG magazines. The HK416 came out before the PMAG.

Rich Fitz even said on LF.net that the PMAG was designed for the Colt maqazine well. ( http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7206084761/m/62920930863/p/2 )

Nobody is denying that there is a difference between the magwells, and not denying that the HK416 mag well hindered the use of PMAGS. I'm not saying that the maq well design was even smart, but it is not HK's fault that the early gen PMAGS didn't fit.

The point is moot anyways, as the new Gen 3 mags work. Also, the new gun has the USGI magwell, so user's who have early gen PMAGs can use them (if they get hold of the weapon that is).

As for the internals, I highly doubt any changes have been made. Although I don't know.

sinlessorrow
02-12-13, 14:51
The STANAG, 4179, is still the standard used when talking about that specific magazine design, and it is referred to as Draft STANAG 4179. Does HK's high reliability mag fit in the M4? Does a USGI aluminium mag fit the HK416?

The answer is yes on both, because both mags are STANAG compliant. If the PMAG was STANAG compliant, it would fit all weapons made to accept STANAG magazines. The HK416 came out before the PMAG.

Rich Fitz even said on LF.net that the PMAG was designed for the Colt maqazine well. ( http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7206084761/m/62920930863/p/2 )

Nobody is denying that there is a difference between the magwells, and not denying that the HK416 mag well hindered the use of PMAGS. I'm not saying that the maq well design was even smart, but it is not HK's fault that the early gen PMAGS didn't fit.

The point is moot anyways, as the new Gen 3 mags work. Also, the new gun has the USGI magwell, so user's who have early gen PMAGs can use them (if they get hold of the weapon that is).

As for the internals, I highly doubt any changes have been made. Although I don't know.

I actually do not use PMAGS so it would have no affect on me.Im a lancer guy personally, i did see montrala confirm this lower is a special order item. Standard HK416 is what comes standard.

I was just saying STANAG 4179 does not exist.

Dave L.
02-13-13, 08:08
Anyone know if their SPLP rear and LP front sights sit lower than Troy's?

If anyone has the measurements of the sight heights of both Troy and MI (in the down position) that would be awesome.

Bump...

Anyone?

montrala
02-13-13, 10:22
I actually do not use PMAGS so it would have no affect on me.Im a lancer guy personally, i did see montrala confirm this lower is a special order item. Standard HK416 is what comes standard.

I was just saying STANAG 4179 does not exist.

Maybe not a "special order". Just that customer can specify if they want "old" or "new" lower. There is probably price factor involved. Ambi lower will be also variable for HK417A2.

BTW P-Mag compatibility is non issue for HK military customers, as none of them officially adopted P-Mag. AFAIK only UK military officially adopted Magpul magazine, but it is E-mag, that is specifically made to be compatible with weapon systems using STANAG magazine, like SA80 or HK416. And STANAG 4179 might not exist and "signed paper", but it exists as reality. I know old Soviet saying that "if reality do not fit theory, too bad for reality", but this time it is other way round.

Baubin
02-13-13, 14:06
How much of this stuff can I actually buy?

Obiwan
02-13-13, 15:33
How about a water proof grip insert that I can twist open and closed? One I can open without a flathead? Anything water proof that I can open more easily than what is currently offered. I'll blog about it to my whopping 40 some odd readers :D

40 ish

Wow....I am the 1%:)

Showgun
02-13-13, 20:15
Anybody have any experience with the different angle grips? Is it even noticeable?

MrSmitty
02-13-13, 20:28
Anybody have any experience with the different angle grips? Is it even noticeable?

For me, absolutely. Militarymoron has some great pics on his site for TD's new grip that show wrist angle, better than I can describe it.

The K was too skinny for me. The HK grip is too pricey for what you get. I like BCM's grip but I'm really looking forward to seeing the K2 come out...

Showgun
02-13-13, 20:31
For me, absolutely. Militarymoron has some great pics on his site for TD's new grip that show wrist angle, better than I can describe it.

The K was too skinny for me. The HK grip is too pricey for what you get. I like BCM's grip but I'm really looking forward to seeing the K2 come out...

I am definitely interested in demo'ing the different angles considering my right wrist usually gets a kink after an hour or so of shooting.

Have you personally felt a comfort difference?

Thanks

MrSmitty
02-13-13, 21:02
Have you personally felt a comfort difference?

Yes. My wrist used to hurt like hell after a long range session. I use a very aggressive isosceles stance and keep my rifle tight in to my body. If I'm standing there, I'm usually in a low ready position. That puts a hell of a lot of strain on my wrist.

I have big hands so the K was just too small, I went back to a large MIAD and sometimes a MOE+. The Gunfighter Mod 1 is bigger but the top portion of it still feels small in my hand. The K2 looks like its closer to a MIAD large, that is why I'm exceptionally excited about it...

And it's listed on Magpul's site now :dance3: Duane, any rough ETA for it?

Brahmzy
02-13-13, 21:06
The K2 looks like its closer to a MIAD large, that is why I'm exceptionally excited about it...
THIS


And it's listed on Magpul's site now :dance3: Duane, any rough ETA for it?
AND THIS

Showgun
02-13-13, 21:58
Yes. My wrist used to hurt like hell after a long range session. I use a very aggressive isosceles stance and keep my rifle tight in to my body. If I'm standing there, I'm usually in a low ready position. That puts a hell of a lot of strain on my wrist.

I have big hands so the K was just too small, I went back to a large MIAD and sometimes a MOE+. The Gunfighter Mod 1 is bigger but the top portion of it still feels small in my hand. The K2 looks like its closer to a MIAD large, that is why I'm exceptionally excited about it...

And it's listed on Magpul's site now :dance3: Duane, any rough ETA for it?

Good to know. Thank you kind, Sir!

ClearedHot
02-14-13, 02:01
The PVS31 is extremely light weight in compare to the BNVD. also the tubes in the PVS31 is amazing and clear. the option of a light weight twin tube is long over due and the PVS31 answers the call. only drawback is the price, I am told the unit will retail over 10k.


Chen

You make the BNVD-G sound like it's a boat anchor, when it's actually the lightest of the dual tube systems, weighing 22.2oz. The PVS-15's are slightly heavier at 22.9oz and for comparison's sake a PVS-14 is 12.4oz.

So how "extremely light weight" exactly is the L3 BNVD/PVS-31?

Juicebox
02-15-13, 14:29
Less than 16oz

Arctic1
02-16-13, 17:19
Another HK416A5 vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyCymXnhxDY

van halen
02-16-13, 22:14
I suffer the same with long arms and big hands. Put me down for two. The micro-bus is off the hook. Put me down for one of those also.

Cagemonkey
02-16-13, 22:22
With the existing demand for Magazines and the proposed AWB in Magpuls home of Colorado, I'd say its safe to say/assume were not going to see any new non magazine products from Magpul for a while. :(

ldirel
02-16-13, 22:36
Ok now I want a Magpul stock for my Supernova.

Sent from my HTC using magic.

JoshNC
02-16-13, 22:47
The 416A5 will be a must have item if it becomes available commercially in the US.

sinlessorrow
02-17-13, 00:59
The 416A5 will be a must have item if it becomes available commercially in the US.

And that is a big IF

BH321
02-17-13, 01:09
Another HK416A5 vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyCymXnhxDY

Thanks for introducing me to that channel Arctic. The video of him shooting the Furby made my evening bearable.

ClearedHot
02-17-13, 01:44
I just saw the neck torque study done on the PVS-15 and the PVS-31. Weight is 7oz less. That's right at a 1/3 weight reduction but the neck strain is reduced by 1/2-2/3. It's even less when they are folded flat in the stowed position.

The advantage is far more than just losing 7oz.

David,

Thanks for providing some actual numbers and the intel regarding neck strain reduction with this new BNVD system. From some of the pictures I've seen of the PVS-31, it seems like these NODs also utilize a COPS/backup battery system like the ANVIS.

http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag52/BillyC1636/IMG_0371.jpg

Any idea as to what the battery life is like with and without the external battery pack?

BigLarge
02-17-13, 02:00
When can we expect the MS4 and MOE-K2 to be out?