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Dear Mr. XXXX:
Thank you for contacting me about policy proposals that seek to reduce gun violence in the wake of the tragedy in Newtown.
I am a hunter and have always owned guns, and I support the Second Amendment.
But assault weapons such as AK 47s are intended for killing, not hunting.
Solutions for reducing gun violence must address many areas, from protecting law enforcement and keeping weapons out of the hands of criminals, to school safety, access to mental health services, and confronting a culture that sometimes glorifies violence.
I support reinstating the assault weapons ban and restoring the 10-round limit for ammunition magazines. And, I support universal background checks so that we can know if person buying a weapon has a criminal record.
I appreciate hearing your views on this very important issue, and I will keep them in mind. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future.
Sincerely,
Bill Nelson
Magic_Salad0892
01-23-13, 19:21
Alright. Let's politically bury this asshole. I'll bombard him with e-mails starting tomorrow.
I expect everybody else to do the same. Regardless of where you live.
brushy bill
01-23-13, 19:23
Alright. Let's politically bury this asshole. I'll bombard him with e-mails starting tomorrow.
I expect everybody else to do the same. Regardless of where you live.
FYI, a lot of these guys require you to go through a zip code analysis before you can email them. If you aren't one of their flock, they won't accept. At least, that's what the TX liberals do...
When you e-mail the distinguished gentleman remind him that the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting.
Alright. Let's politically bury this asshole. I'll bombard him with e-mails starting tomorrow.
I expect everybody else to do the same. Regardless of where you live.
Already done.
It's sad really that that's the best he can come up with for a canned response.
FYI, a lot of these guys require you to go through a zip code analysis before you can email them. If you aren't one of their flock, they won't accept. At least, that's what the TX liberals do...
It's not just in Texas. Ran into this myself.
-Jax
In the words of an actor and in reference to assault weapons, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
Below are a few links. They are from hunters. It would behoove you or someone in your office to look at them and think about what they mean.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/CaptnC/12-8-07Hogs.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/CaptnC/11-10-07_AK_hog_bst.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/bust_em/Hunting/110709/IMG_4459.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll9/motovarmint/0130000803.jpg
http://pictures.second-amendment.org/albums/userpics/10001/pig-ar.jpg
http://cdn.ammoland.com/files/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/AR15-pig-hunting.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/dennishoddy/Photo0042.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv119/seagrunt/100_3056.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/243_WSSM_Olympic_Arms_AR15.jpg/800px-243_WSSM_Olympic_Arms_AR15.jpg
http://www.gunandgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/deer_comp_large.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/dennishoddy/P1010048.jpg
The AK-47 patterned rifles in the first pictures are chambered in 7.62x39. It is almost identical to the venerable .30-30, the iconic deer-hunting cartridge common to lever-action rifles. The average AK-patterned rifle is about as accurate as the average lever action rifle. Unlike the lever-action rifles, AK-patterned rifles' reliability and ease of handling make them more suitable for dispatching hog and wolf, which frequently travel in groups in thick brush and can very quickly become aggressive toward humans.
The AR-15 in the latter group of pictures can be chambered in many different calibers. It is, in fact, one of the most widely used hunting rifles in the United States. It is reliable, versatile, and inherently accurate (on average about as accurate or only slightly less so than the average entry level bolt action rifle by Savage Arms, Remington, or Winchester). This rifle is without a doubt the most popular centerfire, semi-automatic rifle owned in the United States.
Having said this, the vast majority of firearms owners in the United States do not hunt. As of August 2012, as reported by Interior Secretary Ken Salazar in a study for the US Fish and Wildlife Service, about 13.7 million Americans hunted between 2007 and 2012. There are over 270 million firearms in the United States. According to the US Census Bureau, in 2009 over 40% of households in the country reported owning firearms. A 2005 nationwide Gallup poll of 1,012 adults found that only 40% of them owned firearms to hunt; nearly 70% owned them for personal protection.
In studying the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban, rise of Shall Issue concealed carry licensing, and other gun laws, the Center for Disease Control found "insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes" (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm). The following charts also warrant inspection:
http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/chicago.png
http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/chicago_handguns.png
http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/dc.png
These are consistent with the CDC and economist John Lott's findings that gun control laws appear to have no impact on crime rates, violent or otherwise, or on whether firearms are used in crimes.
As a peace loving citizen and law enforcement officer in training, I urge you and your office to either reconsider your position on new and largely pointless (symbolic) legislation, or to explain in vivid detail exactly why each named item in the proposed ban infringes upon someone else's exercise of life, liberty, and the pursuits thereof.
Thank you for your time and stay safe.
Sincerely,
I tried the nice letter. Gonna use this one next.
FYI, a lot of these guys require you to go through a zip code analysis before you can email them. If you aren't one of their flock, they won't accept. At least, that's what the TX liberals do...
They can't analyze your zip code when you call the office.
ICANHITHIMMAN
01-23-13, 19:44
done, I sent him an email
Bill Nelson thinks owning a shotgun makes him pro second amendment.
He is as anti gun as they come and he and Wasserman-Schultz need to find a different state to be ****tards in.
Here is my email to Senator Nelson:
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Dear Senator Nelson,
I was recently made aware of your lack of support for the Second Amendment by a colleague. I am specifically concerned that you believe semiautomatic magazine fed rifles are not protected by the second amendment and concerned by your belief that the intent of the second amendment relates to hunting.
The Second Amendment guarantees the individual right to self defense. The Heller Supreme Court case was ruled in support of an individual liberty with firearms in "common use". AR15s, AK47s and the like are very much "in common use" among civilians in the US.
I want to make it perfectly clear that I will work tirelessly and with all of my resources to ensure you are NOT re-elected should you support and vote in favor of ANY new gun control legislation. I will also remind you of the consequences both Democrat and Republican supporters suffered following passage of the last so-called "assault weapon" and magazine ban; they were summarily voted out of office.
I urge you to please reconsider your position, please support individual liberty and the Constitution.
Respectfully,
Xxxxx xxxxxx, MD
North Palm Beach
Here is my email to Senator Nelson:
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Dear Senator Nelson,
I was recently made aware of your lack of support for the Second Amendment by a colleague. I am specifically concerned that you believe semiautomatic magazine fed rifles are not protected by the second amendment and concerned by your belief that the intent of the second amendment relates to hunting.
The Second Amendment guarantees the individual right to self defense. The Heller Supreme Court case was ruled in support of an individual liberty with firearms in "common use". AR15s, AK47s and the like are very much "in common use" among civilians in the US.
I want to make it perfectly clear that I will work tirelessly and with all of my resources to ensure you are NOT re-elected should you support and vote in favor of ANY new gun control legislation. I will also remind you of the consequences both Democrat and Republican supporters suffered following passage of the last so-called "assault weapon" and magazine ban; they were summarily voted out of office.
I urge you to please reconsider your position, please support individual liberty and the Constitution.
Respectfully,
Xxxxx xxxxxx, MD
North Palm Beach
Perfect. I'm going to send him a similar e-mail.
Don Robison
01-23-13, 23:32
When you e-mail the distinguished gentleman remind him that the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting.
I did that in my first two emails to him and I got the same email as the OP in return.
They are just automated emails being sent out on the key word gun.
I can't wait to see what canned response I get for my last(3rd) email to him wishing him large and painful genital warts.
I can't wait to see what canned response I get for my last(3rd) email to him wishing him large and painful genital warts.
He will thank you for your letter, advise you that he too is concerned about the health care issues of citizens and that is why he supported Obamacare.
:sarcastic:
Don Robison
01-24-13, 00:56
He will thank you for your letter, advise you that he too is concerned about the health care issues of citizens and that is why he supported Obamacare.
:sarcastic:
The sad thing is that it wouldn't surprise me. :blink:
Ah, the old "I support the Second Amendment"-followed-by-"but..." gag. Never gets old, that one!
Bill Nelson thinks owning a shotgun makes him pro second amendment.
He is as anti gun as they come and he and Wasserman-Schultz need to find a different state to be ****tards in.
They talk about hunting to sound reasonable, they are for control, guns is where control has to start.
e-mailing Nelson is a total waste of time. He's anti as they come. And he just got reelected.
Yup same canned response I got
Rmplstlskn
01-24-13, 08:03
All of this is just murmuring background noise to a guy like Nelson... He could care less, his mind is set, the delusion is secure...
The true battle is getting people to understand and not be squeamish, even in the pro-gun side, about the fact that the 2nd Amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting, but armament and training to resist a tyrant and a rogue government...
When we defend hunting in the argument or even use flawed SCOTUS law based on precedent, we weaken our case by giving them PRECEDENT to THEIR case... Which is why Nelson talks about hunting and then guns for "killing..." We have allowed the 2A to be about HUNTING in the minds of most people, because the GUN CULTURE speaks of it in the same way...
Rmpl
Crow Hunter
01-24-13, 08:45
Some of his constituents should recommend that he show his support for the AWB by restricting the armaments of his personal security detail.
Let him put HIS life where HIS mouth is.
I have respect for someone who stands up for their believes.
Hypocrites need to be outed for everyone to see.
Got the same reply yesterday...
FlyAndFight
01-24-13, 09:38
I got the same ridiculous reply as well.
Bill Nelson thinks owning a shotgun makes him pro second amendment.
He is as anti gun as they come and he and Wasserman-Schultz need to find a different state to be ****tards in.
I'm not sure who's the worse of the two.
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