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orkan
01-23-13, 22:13
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No matter your rifle, sighting method, firing position, or distance to target; Grip technique is one of the most important aspects of operating a precision rifle effectively. As an instructor and as a shooter, I have seen just about every kind of grip imaginable. Of all the precision rifle fundamentals, grip is the least talked about and least practiced skillset of them all. Obviously there are other more important fundamentals such as body position, crosshair control, optical alignment, breathing, and trigger press. However, having a proper grip can determine how consistently you are able to do some of the above listed fundamentals. Operating a rifle correctly requires the sum of its parts in order for the end result to be as good as it can be. All of the fundamentals need to be present and executed flawlessly in order for each shot fired from your rifle to be of any value. Today, we're going to take a look at proper rifle grip being applied to different stock configurations, as well as how not to do it.

For the purposes of this article, we aren't going to talk much about trigger manipulation. This is a separate fundamental all it's own that will be the topic of a future article. What we are going to address is how the hand should be positioned on the stock so that you will be able to manipulate the trigger properly. Also, please keep in mind that many of the techniques described in this article aren't revolutionary or ground breaking in any way. Most of them have been developed over the last couple hundred years by various pioneers in shooting sports. So I'm not taking credit for any of this. I'm simply trying to break down the technique to its core components and explain it in a way that is easily digestible.

Your firing hand being identified as your dominant hand that will be in charge of gripping the rifle, pressing the trigger, and operating the bolt is what we're going to focus on. This is the hand that has the most influence on the fire control mechanisms of the rifle. Obviously your non-firing hand will either be offering support to the rear of the rifle directly, manipulating a rear bag, or supporting the rifle in some other method such as a tripod or shooting bag.

Your firing hand should not be supporting the weight of the rifle at all. This burden should be placed on whatever you are using to support the rifle. While holding the grip, your firing hand should not be putting pressure up, down, left, or to the right. You should be able to remove your firing hand from the rifle while in your firing position, and not disrupt your crosshairs alignment with the target. If you remove your firing hand, and your cross hair moves, then it is likely that you are imparting force one way or another on the rifle with that hand. This is somewhat dependent upon how firm of a position you are in. If you are high on a rear bag, the addition of your firing hand may cause the bag to settle a bit, so don't be alarmed. This isn't optimal, but expected, and can be accounted for. The idea being that whatever you are using to support the rifle, is also supporting the weight of your firing hand while it's attached to the grip. The savvy among you have by now also realized that you don't want to add weight to the rifle with your firing hand, as it can disrupt your position. It is important to understand the distinction however. One of the rules as it pertains to excellent form is that you don't want to use muscle power to stay on target. If you are muscling the rifle, your first shot will suffer and so will your follow-up shots. Think of your hand as an attachment point. All you are doing is attaching it to the rifle at a fixed position in a specific manner. So, attach your hand to the rifle, but do not apply pressure in any direction yet. We'll get to that later. Simply attach, and let your arm come to rest, maintaining just enough force to engage the rifle firmly. The manner in which you set up your "attachment point" on the rifle does not vary that much between stock designs. The fundamentals of the good grip are always present, regardless of the type of rifle you are shooting. So rub the idea that this stuff doesn't apply to your rifle right out of your head. Now we are going to discuss precisely how to setup your attachment point (hand) to properly interface the stock and fire control mechanism on your rifle.

Illustrating each individual fundamental is very difficult due to the fact that a proper grip is a function of many things happening in harmony simultaneously. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. So we'll get the reading out of the way, and then show you some pretty pictures of the right way and wrong way to interface a couple popular stocks later.

Grip Fundamental #1 - Trigger Finger
Your engagement with the trigger is the most important part of your grip. Unless you can feel exactly what the trigger is doing at all times, you won't really be able to control when and where the rifle fires. The easiest way to accomplish this is to isolate the trigger finger completely. Apply the last pad on your index finger to the center of the trigger shoe. Make sure that the trigger shoe is resting in the middle of the pad on your finger. You do not want it out at the tip, nor do you want it in toward the first finger joint. Next, you will bend the second joint in your index finger to form a 90 degree angle toward you, while keeping the first joint straight. This is going to feel completely mutated the first few times you do it. You'll want to ensure that your trigger finger isn't contacting any part of the rifle when it is seated on the trigger shoe. The goal here is to completely isolate the action of pressing the trigger. The motion should be straight back to the rear, without imparting any pressure up, down, or to the sides. Bending the second joint at a 90 degree angle facilitates this motion. The next order of business is to attach the rest of your hand to the rifle in the exact location on the stock that doesn't disrupt the trigger finger position which you've just identified. You'll most likely immediately notice that your hand is way too far forward to get a firm grasp on the stock like you are used to. Don't panic, this is quite alright. Job number one of isolating the trigger finger has been accomplished!

Grip Fundamental #2 - Finger Position
Obviously the new method in which you are engaging the trigger with your newly developed 90-degree finger probably feels a bit like trying to shove a square peg through a round hole. Sometimes it will take a great deal of practice in order to get your finger to function that way at all. It's not normal to bend that second joint without also bending the first. This is to be expected, we're fighting against thousands of years of natural instincts that say when something is in your hand you are suppose to grab hold of it completely. Your trigger finger is doing its job correctly now, so all the rest of your fingers should be tasked with is keeping your trigger finger in that specific position. We already established that you shouldn't be driving or supporting the rifle with this hand, so don't try. Instead, just lay your fingers down against the stock in the position they are in, by bending the second joint on all those fingers. Just as with the trigger finger, this should almost create a 90 degree angle. The exact angle will be determined by the style of stock you are using, and isn't important. What IS important is that you aren't clenching the stock. Your fingers should make contact, and you should apply enough pressure so that your trigger finger is locked in place. It's not a squeeze, but more of a "clamp."

Grip Fundamental #3 - Thumb Position
Where you put your thumb is of little concern. You can lay it on the side or top of the stock. You can put it through a thumb hole. You can wrap it around a pistol grip, or fly out out in open space. It really doesn't matter. What does matter is that you avoid imparting any directional pressure on the stock with your thumb. You don't want to assist in pressing the trigger with your thumb either. Some old wisdom states that you want to squeeze your whole hand, rather than just isolate your trigger finger. Don't listen! You must allow your trigger finger to do its job. That is the only way you can truly be in tune with your trigger. Again, the specifics of how to manipulate the trigger will be talked about in a later article, but suffice it to say that you want absolutely nothing else getting in the way when pressing that trigger shoe straight rearward. To that end, your thumb can either be laid idly on the stock to assist with the "clamp" of your other fingers in the case of a a Manners MCS-T4A or propped up against the underside of the stock with a thumb-hole or tactical style stock such as the DTA shown in the images below. In any event, do NOT put impart any force up, down, left, or right into the stock.

Grip Fundamental #4 - Rearward Pressure
Many old timers will be a huge advocate of pulling the rifle back into your shoulder firmly. Some say very firmly, while others simply say with enough pressure to feel it. I say, don't pull it into you at all. Your firing hand has enough to worry about with having to manipulate the trigger, work the bolt, and deal with the safety. Instead of pulling the rifle back into you, why not use the dead weight of your body to lay into it? Obviously this is entirely situational, since the amount of pressure brought to bear will vary depending on your firing position. If you are shooting down a steep hill, or firing down the side of a building as a police sniper, you damn well better be pulling the rifle back toward you or else it will run away! It is then important to make sure you are applying that pressure straight toward the rear and not off to either side. This can be pretty difficult to do effectively until you've mastered the grip itself. A lot of this particular fundamental carries over into another forthcoming article on body position, so we'll stop there.

Here's a few images that show good and bad grip technique on three different stock types. The right way is on top, with the wrong way on the bottom. You'll have to click on them to make them larger.

http://primalrights.com/images/articles/rifle_grip/grip_dta_800.jpg (http://primalrights.com/images/articles/rifle_grip/grip_dta.jpg)

http://primalrights.com/images/articles/rifle_grip/grip_manners_800.jpg (http://primalrights.com/images/articles/rifle_grip/grip_manners.jpg)

http://primalrights.com/images/articles/rifle_grip/grip_hs_800.jpg (http://primalrights.com/images/articles/rifle_grip/grip_hs.jpg)

As you can plainly see by the above images, some stocks will lend themselves to proper grip technique a lot better than others. Do you see anything when comparing the proper grip on the HS Precision stock vs the Manners and DTA stocks? Notice the vertical orientation of the trigger finger on the HS stock. It is pointing downward at a very steep angle in relation to the barrel compared to both the manners and the DTA. This indicates that in order to have any grip at all on that stock, I can not press that trigger straight to the rear of the rifle. The way my hand is oriented, I have no choice but to be pressing slightly upward as well. The only way to counter this would be to slide my hand downward, which would result in at least 2 of my fingers no longer being in contact with the stock at all. You can already see that there is a huge void between my palm and the stock as it is. When the grip is broken down to its core components, and illustrated in this fashion, you can plainly see the glaring deficiencies of the traditional-style stocks as it pertains to proper grip technique.

Along those lines, you can very plainly see that DTA has done their homework. The DTA chassis is the closest that I've ever felt in terms of perfection in regard to assisting the shooter achieve proper grip technique. This is demonstrated by the fact that it's kind of hard to grip at DTA improperly! As I've often said, it is not an accident that I rarely shoot anything but a DTA these days, and that was the case long before we became a dealer for them. For those of you that like the more traditional rifles, you can see that the Manners T-series stocks are a great choice. They have a large palm swell, and a more vertical grip that is pushed forward a bit to accommodate good technique.

So now that I've introduced you to some important grip technique fundamentals, how many of you are re-thinking your next stock purchase? :)

Alric
01-23-13, 23:02
The 90 degree trigger finger seems to have improved my results since I began applying it.

And he's right. I have a hard time shooting the cheap stock on my Savage now... I'm afraid it is going to meet the used gun dealership soon.

orkan
01-24-13, 00:22
I have a hard time shooting the cheap stock on my Savage now... I'm afraid it is going to meet the used gun dealership soon. Not that I'd argue anyone ditching their savage for something better, but there are several companies making good stocks for savages these days.

Manners would be the clear choice as far as I'm concerned.

taliv
01-24-13, 11:05
great description and pretty much how i grip as well. i'll add to it a little:

i have usually described it as 'building a position' starting with the trigger finger placement. from there, you have little control over where your hand hits the stock and usually it does so in a suboptimal place.

think about it this way, from a 3gun style perspective: you have built some muscle memory about how to grip your AR15 or pistol where you know your finger will land on the trigger in the right spot. but when you go to grab your bolt gun stock, that position could be a long way from where the stock was designed to be held.

the solution i have moved towards is adjustable triggers. as you can see in the picture below, some triggers allow you to move the trigger shoe forward or backward, which allow you to set the rifle up to fit you. With one of these triggers, you can grab the stock where you want it, and then move the trigger forward or back to achieve the 90*, 1st pad position orkan described
http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/dbmb.jpg

Bulletdog
01-24-13, 11:46
Funny this. I was taught by people just as ignorant as I was to "grip" the rifle and "pull it in tight". All on my own during the course of thousands of rounds over many years. I developed my own technique of letting the rifle rest do the work and using a very light grip on the stock. I did NOT figure out the 90 degree thing, but it turns out I was using the middle of the finger pad idea. I chose not to use the "wisdom" of my elders because using my technique almost always produced better groups than theirs, even with their rifles and their ammo. I felt a little disrespectful and rebellious at the time, but the results were so obvious.

Thanks you for taking the time to write this up Greg. Much appreciated. I will give the 90 degree thing, and appropriate grip, a try on my next range session.

orkan
01-24-13, 12:05
Hey Taliv,

How have those triggers held up to dirt and grime? Given you any fits at all?

I've never broke a shot with one... so could you describe how they break as compared to say a timney 510? I like the idea that you can scoot them back and forth. That would definitely move your hand back a bit. Can they move far enough back to get a full purchase on the stock though?

Oh, and did you hear that in about a year I'll be able to sell you a DTA with the bolt on the wrong side? ;)

You're welcome bulletdog. Teaching people fact from fiction as it pertains to precision rifle operation is one of the purely joyful things that I do. :) I hope it helps you up your game a bit.

taliv
01-24-13, 12:33
no problems with dirt/grime. all of my bolt guns have x-treme mod22 (the old cg jackson) triggers. some are the 1.5lb version and some are the 3-5lb version. very smooth 1st stage and extremely crisp second (i'd compare it to anschutz) and very reliable. if you like 2-stage triggers, you'll love it. if you like single stage, you'll probably hate it. only issue i've had has been once that trigger loosened up slightly. it wouldn't slide back and forth, but i could swing it left or right with my finger if i tried. it would be better if he milled a flat on the otherwise round bar to prevent that. but that's my ONLY complaint.

the one in front in the picture is my main match rifle. over 7000 rounds on that one in past 2.5 years, in 20 something matches, half of which were in really dusty places like TX and NM, and NC and FL sand. since i don't clean my rifles and lube them about like i lube my AR15s, you can imagine how dirty and grimy it is.

orkan
01-24-13, 12:38
Yeah, I'm a single-stage guy all the way, for lots of reasons. Do they offer a single stage version?

taliv
01-24-13, 13:07
don't think so. could be worth calling and asking

Cesiumsponge
02-10-13, 15:35
My Sako TRG has an adjustable trigger. I found that tweaking the trigger pad location just a few millimeters helps make a world of difference. Rather than getting ideal trigger finger placement and forcing your hand to wrap around the grip, you can wrap your hand around the grip naturally and move the trigger pad to where your trigger finger naturally rests. Get your cake and eat it too.

I have an Anschutz and Walter match rifle and both use the same type of adjustable trigger found on the TRG. It's a circular round bar that the trigger shoe slides and cants on. The adjustable trigger design is inherently flawed in that the clamping method of the trigger shoe to the round bar doesn't develop much clamping force because the parts are pretty small, so the machine screw size used is limited. Pushing sideways against the very bottom of the trigger shoe gives the greatest mechanical leverage and I've experienced what taliv describes in post #7 if there is slight loosening. I've heard of folks snapping off screws by trying to bear down harder on the clamping screw to rectify this issue.

The cure is powdered rosin, commonly used on stringed instruments like violins. Take a q-tip or small brush and powder some on the mating surfaces of the trigger shoe and the cylindrical bar. Put a small dab of blue locktite on the trigger shoe clamping screw and screw down trigger shoe as usual. You can actually use less torque as the grippiness of the rosin doesn't require you bear down on the poor screw. No more movement. I did this to all my guns with an adjustable trigger and it fixed the unintentional canting of the triggers.

orkan
02-26-13, 19:31
Those TRG triggers are indeed nice. They have a pretty unique feel to them. Man sako really is proud of their stuff though. Absurdly so. Definitely not the worst rifle in the world. :)

Pretty good stock on those critters too.

Canonshooter
08-25-13, 12:08
Just found this thread - great info, thanks!

lifebreath
08-27-13, 10:31
Thanks for a nice write up.

I was taught something very close to what many now refer to as the "Rifles Only" (RO) or "Hodnett" grip, and have modified it slightly. My fingers are all somewhat curled and very relaxed, with the fingertips contacting the front surface of the grip with very light pressure (McMillan A5 or similar). However, unlike the RO grip, and what you have shown, I allow my whole hand to move forward slightly with almost no tension and use more of the tip of my trigger finger than the pad, with the trigger finger also somewhat curled and relaxed. I allow my thumb to float forward and it actually rests slightly on the top/rear of the bolt knob. I would say it's a hybrid of the RO technique and the Norwegian technique of using a curled middle finger to press the trigger while retaining the bolt knob lightly between the thumb and index finger.

What I like is that I am able to be very relaxed in the trigger hand, manipulate the bolt quickly, and come back into shooting position rapidly and consistently because my hand is naturally in the proper position after manipulating the bolt. I am able to very naturally press the trigger straight back with no torque being applied by my hand.

The primary disadvantage is that you need to really be behind the rifle properly to manage recoil, or you will find yourself rebuilding your position frequently. Also, the technique does not lend itself well to offhand shooting or odd positions, at which point the right hand needs to grip the rifle more. But that transition is pretty natural anyway.

Do you have any thoughts about what I have described?

orkan
08-27-13, 10:52
Do you have any thoughts about what I have described? I don't like to have two different methods when one will do. As you said, you need to modify what you are doing when positional due to your grip being inadequate.

Does the way you choose to do it offer you a distinct advantage over the way I laid it out? Faster followup shots may have some merit, but as the saying goes, you can't miss fast enough to win.

Also, by the way you describe your trigger finger manipulation, it doesn't mechanically lock out side to side movement. The way I described, does.

Once you understand what a shooter does to make rifles throw shots, you can systematically work on eliminating those variables by using your body's bone structure to solve the problem. Think about it from that perspective when examining what you are doing. Ask yourself if what you are doing is the best possible way to do it, with immediate comfort and self-satisfaction being an afterthought. I'd be quite surprised if you don't land where many others have landed.

It's not that you are doing it wrong. Everyone is right all the time, until they are pushed to defend their position. Push yourself. You already punched a bunch of holes in the way you are doing it. If you can do that, chances are there is a better way. ;)