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The NRA, members here, whoever. All content to point fingers and bark "Why don't you move?".
The epitome of short-sightedness and a major collective weakness among the group. The waters are rising and soon there will be no more dry land left, but as long as it doesn't happen in your lifetime...
The advocates that remain here and fight for the 2A here deserve better than mass ridicule. And I don't mean me.
Whiskey_Bravo
01-31-13, 17:30
The NRA, members here, whoever. All content to point fingers and bark "Why don't you move?".
The epitome of short-sightedness and a major collective weakness among the group. The waters are rising and soon there will be no more dry land left, but as long as it doesn't happen in your lifetime...
The advocates that remain here and fight for the 2A here deserve better than mass ridicule. And I don't mean me.
Not 100% sure what you are getting at? Are you talking about the comments people make about moving out of shit commie states?
If so, I hate to say it but some states are a lost cause. There is just no way around it. The few real patriots in those states are to few.
The dry land will be the states that have the numbers, and place politicians in state and federal offices that support the 2nd amendment, and freedom in general.
How about you provide a little context?
If so, I hate to say it but some states are a lost cause.
Yep... When you are out numbered with no possible chance of winning there is nothing you can do.
You -should- move. United we stand. Strengthen our other states, and work on the one's that aren't such a lost cause. Eventually we push back into NJ/NY/Chicago/California/so on.
MountainRaven
01-31-13, 19:41
I wouldn't ridicule someone pro-Constitution living in an anti-Constitution state any more than I would the soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army fighting in the Philippines... who surrendered in the 1960s.
New York, New Jersey, California, et al. are a lost cause. Trying to stay and fight there means that the libtards moving into states like Colorado will continue to push the pro-Constitution states toward the anti-Constitution camp.
At some point, you're going to realize that the Philippines are lost and by the time you do, the whole war might be over. For decades.
The NRA, members here, whoever. All content to point fingers and bark "Why don't you move?".
The epitome of short-sightedness and a major collective weakness among the group. The waters are rising and soon there will be no more dry land left, but as long as it doesn't happen in your lifetime...
The advocates that remain here and fight for the 2A here deserve better than mass ridicule. And I don't mean me.
I did move. The state I was living in wasn't nearly as bad as NJ, NY, CA, CT, etc. but it wasn't an NFA state and I was correct that it wasn't going to become a NFA state so I moved.
If I stayed and did everything I could to fight for my rights I'd not own one single NFA item and that isn't how I choose to live. I'd have stayed and fought IF I had any actual popular support. But it didn't exist.
Sadly that means if you want to enjoy owning NFA items, want to carry concealed or have no restrictions on semi autos and magazine capacities you need to move to a second amendment stronghold state.
Most of us are willing to fight, but we've seen what happens if you try and fight alone.
If you want to stay in your state I understand. There are many reasons to do so. If you want to try and fight to make it better, great I think you should. But I don't think there are enough people like you in your state to accomplish anything meaningful.
I wouldn't ridicule someone pro-Constitution living in an anti-Constitution state any more than I would the soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army fighting in the Philippines... who surrendered in the 1960s.
New York, New Jersey, California, et al. are a lost cause. Trying to stay and fight there means that the libtards moving into states like Colorado will continue to push the pro-Constitution states toward the anti-Constitution camp.
At some point, you're going to realize that the Philippines are lost and by the time you do, the whole war might be over. For decades.
Keep pointing the finger, meantime remember that Japan fell after the above stated campaign. Unless I missed the obvious that was a bad comparison.
Spurholder
01-31-13, 20:57
Think of the move as temporary...since we're talking about the Philippines, color yourself a modern day MacArthur and one day, "you shall return."
:D
If you want to stay in your state I understand. There are many reasons to do so. If you want to try and fight to make it better, great I think you should. But I don't think there are enough people like you in your state to accomplish anything meaningful.
As serious as both your collection and venue are I can understand your need to be there. Probably like a surfer (no disrespect intended) needing to live in a coastal town, it's just where you belong for the most practical and spiritually fulfilling of reasons.
For now I belong here and so be it, however one day after my son is out of school I do see myself shopping for an IWB and dare I say even a suppressor. If I still can't do it here by then, it will be time to go.
Heck I might even take one of Larry's classes since he won't touch NJ. I'm sure he'd be delighted. :)
MountainRaven
01-31-13, 21:49
Keep pointing the finger, meantime remember that Japan fell after the above stated campaign. Unless I missed the obvious that was a bad comparison.
The point was that you have lost the fight. The Allies have sacked the Philippines. They ignore you, moving onward to the homeland, while you steadfastly believe that you can somehow help stop them by stealing food from farmers in the mountains. Your desire to win (or more accurately, not lose) the Battle of New Jersey, a battle all but lost, might just be blinding you to the bigger picture in the War for America. A war that you might help win if you were to relocate yourself somewhere that your resistance may prove more effective.
To put it another way, what does it profit us to win one blue state at the cost of half-a-dozen red states? Losing New Jersey is irrelevant if we can hold the line across the rest of the country. If we can hold the line, then we can push back into New Jersey, re-take New York, liberate California. But we cannot do any of that if we have lost Colorado, Arizona, Utah, Florida, &c.
As serious as both your collection and venue are I can understand your need to be there. Probably like a surfer (no disrespect intended) needing to live in a coastal town, it's just where you belong for the most practical and spiritually fulfilling of reasons.
For now I belong here and so be it, however one day after my son is out of school I do see myself shopping for an IWB and dare I say even a suppressor. If I still can't do it here by then, it will be time to go.
Heck I might even take one of Larry's classes since he won't touch NJ. I'm sure he'd be delighted. :)
Every person must walk their own path to the best of their ability. It is accomplishment enough to know why you have chosen the path you are on and even more impressive to have an understanding of where it is going.
The point was that you have lost the fight. The Allies have sacked the Philippines. They ignore you, moving onward to the homeland, while you steadfastly believe that you can somehow help stop them by stealing food from farmers in the mountains. Your desire to win (or more accurately, not lose) the Battle of New Jersey, a battle all but lost, might just be blinding you to the bigger picture in the War for America. A war that you might help win if you were to relocate yourself somewhere that your resistance may prove more effective.
To put it another way, what does it profit us to win one blue state at the cost of half-a-dozen red states? Losing New Jersey is irrelevant if we can hold the line across the rest of the country. If we can hold the line, then we can push back into New Jersey, re-take New York, liberate California. But we cannot do any of that if we have lost Colorado, Arizona, Utah, Florida, &c.
Okay. So there are 38 million people in CA. We vote roughly 45% red to 55% blue, in most elections. So you are proposing that 17.1 million people get up and leave this lost cause of a state and move to states that are firmly red?
I think it would be easier to simply have 3.8 million red state voters move IN to CA and tip the balance in our favor. Seriously. Come on over people. The weather is great here. Hardly any bugs. Cool summer nights. Mild winters. Which red state is easily winning by more than 3.8 million voters? Can you spare a few voters? If they would just pack up their things and move here we could turn things around in the very next election. DiFi would finally be out!
I like your idea of moving people around to sway the elections. This could work. How many millions would have to move into NJ to turn it around there, vs. the amount that you propose move out?
Okay. So there are 38 million people in CA. We vote roughly 45% red to 55% blue, in most elections. So you are proposing that 17.1 million people get up and leave this lost cause of a state and move to states that are firmly red?
I think it would be easier to simply have 3.8 million red state voters move IN to CA and tip the balance in our favor. Seriously. Come on over people. The weather is great here. Hardly any bugs. Cool summer nights. Mild winters. Which red state is easily winning by more than 3.8 million voters? Can you spare a few voters? If they would just pack up their things and move here we could turn things around in the very next election. DiFi would finally be out!
I like your idea of moving people around to sway the elections. This could work. How many millions would have to move into NJ to turn it around there, vs. the amount that you propose move out?
Maybe it's time for a Communist North and a Free South California.
:sarcastic:
But on gun issues like NFA weapons, semi automatics and full capacity mags it doesn't seem like the breakdown is 45/55. So as a result I'd NEVER consider moving to CA. And guns are just one of the many, many, many (really a lot of them) reasons I'd never consider living in CA and keep in mind the state is full of porn stars.
Keep pointing the finger, meantime remember that Japan fell after the above stated campaign. Unless I missed the obvious that was a bad comparison.
Times were different, I doubt a similar situation would happen in this environment but I could be wrong.
The point was that you have lost the fight. The Allies have sacked the Philippines. They ignore you, moving onward to the homeland, while you steadfastly believe that you can somehow help stop them by stealing food from farmers in the mountains. Your desire to win (or more accurately, not lose) the Battle of New Jersey, a battle all but lost, might just be blinding you to the bigger picture in the War for America. A war that you might help win if you were to relocate yourself somewhere that your resistance may prove more effective.
I get your point but again, Japan fell and it wasn't because of a few die hard but clueless holdouts who didn't head back to the mainland in time. Wouldn't have made a bit of difference in the end and that I believe is what we better start figuring out as a whole.
As far as me helping out in other states, that sounds like an acknowledgment that you may be next. And guess what? Somebody doesn't stop the line from falling one by one you will be.
MountainRaven
02-01-13, 07:51
Okay. So there are 38 million people in CA. We vote roughly 45% red to 55% blue, in most elections. So you are proposing that 17.1 million people get up and leave this lost cause of a state and move to states that are firmly red?
I think it would be easier to simply have 3.8 million red state voters move IN to CA and tip the balance in our favor. Seriously. Come on over people. The weather is great here. Hardly any bugs. Cool summer nights. Mild winters. Which red state is easily winning by more than 3.8 million voters? Can you spare a few voters? If they would just pack up their things and move here we could turn things around in the very next election. DiFi would finally be out!
I like your idea of moving people around to sway the elections. This could work. How many millions would have to move into NJ to turn it around there, vs. the amount that you propose move out?
Excellent. Then we can lose in California and Colorado!
I seem to recall that you recently had an anti-gun Republican governor. So that either means that your GOP nominees need a lot of anti-gun Dems to vote for them or California Republicans are to the left of Montana Democrats. Or both. Knowing what I know about New England and Northeastern Republicans, it's probably both.
In any case, it would take the whole of the NRA to move to California (assuming there are no or very few NRA members in CA). And even then, I doubt that 4.5-ish million people would be enough to shift the state, especially not if the Democrats are willing to play the GOP's voter registration games against them.
Your libtards are perfectly willing to move to red states to sway the votes purple and blue, why aren't your more conservative elements willing to help us fight back? All that it would take would be a couple hundred thousand here, a couple ten thousand there, a few thousand around back, &c. Maybe a million souls, all told.
I get your point but again, Japan fell and it wasn't because of a few die hard but clueless holdouts who didn't head back to the mainland in time. Wouldn't have made a bit of difference in the end and that I believe is what we better start figuring out as a whole.
As far as me helping out in other states, that sounds like an acknowledgment that you may be next. And guess what? Somebody doesn't stop the line from falling one by one you will be.
My guess is that Colorado is next. Maybe Florida. But New Jersey and California are gone man.
I understand the nobility of staying and fighting...its the big picture, long term thing to do. But sometimes pragmatism is the order of the day, and you do what is best for you and yours now. You're not giving up the fight, you're changing venues. Also, part of our founding father's vision of our republic was that each state governed itself, and people had the freedom to move to states that suited them best without giving up US citizenship.
I don't think we mean to belittle people's desires to stay and fight. We are just offering an option that we feel is strategically better suited to eventual victory. I am sorry if my comments of abandon ship came across as belittling. It was definitely NOT my intent.
Japan didn't fall because we kept troops in the Phillipines and depleted resources holding onto one area. We withdrew, regrouped and found better ways to attack the Japs; eventually returning to the Phillipines and causing Japan to fall. The US found its line in the sand that it could hold and them expand from. The same needs to happen here. We need to find our line in the sand and then expand from there. Same as the libtards did against us.
As for the Blue vs. Red state anology; this has nothing to do with being a RepubliCON or DemoCRAP. It's about whether you support the Constitution as a whole and are of a conservative bent vs the other side. There are libtard Republicans just as there are conservative Democrats.
Maybe it's time for a Communist North and a Free South California.
:sarcastic:
If you took the state of CA and carved out a corridor from LA to the bay area, you would have the communist CA state. The rest of CA is ideologically freedom loving and tends to vote more towards the conservative end of the spectrum, but the rest of the state is hopelessly politically and economically enslaved to the commies in this corridor by lack of representation in Sacramento. If there was a way to jettison Alameda County to LA County on the coast, we would have another red state with what remains.
I would actually go further and just let the pinkos from SF to LA have their own country (Peoples' Republic of Northern Aztlan), but without any rights to ask the IMF for a bailout in a year.
filthy phil
02-01-13, 15:26
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0241.0.html&session=ls88
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0243.0.html&session=ls88
Magic_Salad0892
02-01-13, 18:10
and keep in mind the state is full of porn stars.
I used to live there, and I can confirm that this true.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160196/alabama-north-dakota-wyoming-conservative-states.aspx
When you read this poll it really makes you wonder how they are getting away with all this. In fact how they even win an election.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160196/alabama-north-dakota-wyoming-conservative-states.aspx
When you read this poll it really makes you wonder how they are getting away with all this. In fact how they even win an election.
Corruption, pure and simple.
What comes after they remove your ability to fight back? All sorts of things.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272166/Big-brother-log-drinking-habits-waist-size.html#axzz2JhXYhdJ3
MountainRaven
02-02-13, 10:28
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160196/alabama-north-dakota-wyoming-conservative-states.aspx
When you read this poll it really makes you wonder how they are getting away with all this. In fact how they even win an election.
What's entertaining, if you read anything written by the other side (I like to read things not related to gun control from the other side, allows me to remain more open-minded/less emotional)... is they wonder the same thing about the GOP and conservatives.
My guess is that many or even most people who we consider liberal on the 'Top Ten Liberal States' list do not consider themselves to be liberal. Remember that the GOP in most of those top ten liberal states is further to the left than most Democrats in at least North Dakota, Wyoming, and Idaho. North Dakota, for instance, fairly reliably sends Democrats to DC, despite being tied for third 'most conservative'.
Vermont and Oregon are interesting on that list because of how libertarian they are. I may not be such a special flower after all. :sarcastic:
Ultimately, you have to be careful about drawing conclusions from this poll and polls like it: It is based on self-identification, not on a comprehensive "how do you feel about the economy/government/guns/abortion/&c." basis.
platoonDaddy
02-02-13, 11:18
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160196/alabama-north-dakota-wyoming-conservative-states.aspx
When you read this poll it really makes you wonder how they are getting away with all this. In fact how they even win an election.
VERY shocked to see MD isn't in the top 10, don't understand the criteria:
Both MD US Senators are D's
Both state houses are majority (large) D's
Gov D
MountainRaven
02-02-13, 11:26
VERY shocked to see MD isn't in the top 10, don't understand the criteria:
Both MD US Senators are D's
Both state houses are majority (large) D's
Gov D
The poll was asking correspondents how they identified: As conservatives, liberals, or moderates.
So less than 27.7% of Marylanders self-identify as liberals. Maryland is listed as having one of the highest numbers of self-identified moderates, in fact.
The NRA, members here, whoever. All content to point fingers and bark "Why don't you move?".
The epitome of short-sightedness and a major collective weakness among the group. The waters are rising and soon there will be no more dry land left, but as long as it doesn't happen in your lifetime...
The advocates that remain here and fight for the 2A here deserve better than mass ridicule. And I don't mean me.
I agree with what you said. People in more restrictive states do not want to leave the place where they were born and raised and rightfully so.
If you leave your home, the liberals win by using the divide and conquer stategy. Don't move. Stand and fight!
platoonDaddy
02-02-13, 15:36
The poll was asking correspondents how they identified: As conservatives, liberals, or moderates.
So less than 27.7% of Marylanders self-identify as liberals. Maryland is listed as having one of the highest numbers of self-identified moderates, in fact.
WOW, that is just amazing, election after election the majority votes for the progressive! Of course there are rare elections: in the states history only 6 or 7 Republicans elected to Gov and ONLY one ever re-elected. Something just doesn't smell right with the poll.
As stated in another thread: with a child with special needs, I am anchored to University Maryland Medical Center (UMMC), therefore in the near future, the state will make me a felon. So be it.
Edit: Gun Owners Refuse to Register Under New York Law
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14322-gun-owners-refuse-to-register-under-new-york-law
Don't think of it like Japs of WWII. Think of it like the Brits in North Africa. You can stay and fight but you will die trying or be captured.
If you fall back and fight with the group, you have a chance.
I am also a fan of cutting off the police and Gov. from support in those areas. If normal people can not have it, neither do the cops or the military. But then I am not someone supplying them.. I am sure there are people in the gun community who will decide to supply them to make a buck.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160196/alabama-north-dakota-wyoming-conservative-states.aspx
When you read this poll it really makes you wonder how they are getting away with all this. In fact how they even win an election.
Other than having to read something that poll is about as useful as a hole in the head. It's asking people of their self evaluation. Im sure if you asked Hitler is he saw himself as a tyrant or extremist he would have said no. Same for Stalin. Very few people have the intellectual capacity and honesty to judge themselves and their actions fairly. As such you're not going to get a lot of people admitting that they are extremists.
Basically the poll is typical useless media drivel.
Stay and fight, bug out and regroup. It's an individual decision and either side of then coin needs to be respected. Just realize that if you stay behind enemy lines you will NOT have support and may eventually have to become a closet gun owner who works on getting laws changed from behind a facade.
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