New general purpose bolt gun idea.

[DocCaliz]

I've been kicking around this idea for a few weeks for a short handy bolt action rifle that magazine feed. This is what I have come up with.

Mark Larue has posted about his 14.5 in suitcase OBR, he and his daughter hunt with. She killed 2 elk with a very short .308 at 462 and 652 yards . So I know the ammo is capable even in a shorter barrel.

Remington 700 short action
1 in 10 .308 barrel cut and threaded 5/8-24. At 16 inches in length.
CDI bottom metal with 10 round AICS magazines.
EGW PIC rail. Aluminum
EGW practical 30mm aluminum rings
XCR compact take off stock( optional)
Or
PSS take off stock
BFG VCAS side mounted
Your choice of muzzle device or suppressor
1-4 optic illuminated with a milling FFP reticle


Not including semiauto guns. This is what a modern scout rifle should be. I plan on finding the action/barrel used, pawn shops and such. Doesn't need to be pretty its all going to get spray painted any way. As long as the barrel is reasonably consistent of 1 -2 MOA at 100 with qulity ammo it can stay and not be replaced. This should be able to kill anything 2 or 4 legged in North America at any reasonable range you might encounter likely 500yrds and in.


Your thoughts?

[Moltke]

I like the short compact breakdown bolt gun idea. I'd consider one but Remington's short model 700 is already pretty small. Im not that familiar with precision rifles but some consideration should be given to proper bedding of the action, how could that be managed with a removable stock?

[JFPATCH]

Moltke,
I'm not certain that DocCaliz was talking about his idea being a breakdown rifle......

DocCaliz,
I was thinking about something similar, but based on a Winchester M70 Featherweight cut to 16". Considering Brockmann scope bases (with a peep sight in the rear base), a NECG or XS front, synthetic stock,a section of pic rail set into the forend (below the barrel), 3 sling mounts and a Ching sling.

[Moltke]

I am not familiar with everything on the list but both stocks mention being "take off". I figured it would be a lightweight breakdown bolt gun.

[sinister]

Been done before, Doc:

http://maxicon.com/guns/enfield/enfield_jc_1a.jpg

Lee-Enfield action was one of the fastest. There were British, Indian, and American (copies) in 7.62.

The Ruger Scout Rifle is probably the modern equivalent:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-70pQ3gLV98I/Ttr-RivYp5I/AAAAAAAABI8/sDCFw2oVos8/s1600/scouts.jpg

[okie john]

I am not familiar with everything on the list but both stocks mention being "take off". I figured it would be a lightweight breakdown bolt gun.

"Takeoff" generally means a part that someone took it off of a factory rifle and replaced with an upgraded part.


Okie John

[jbjh]

.308 is running 96-97% efficient at 16", so making it to 750yds is something the ammo will do.

I'm building much the same idea with a Savage in a Manners EH4 (Snipershide group buy). I'm planning on running AccurateMag for the DBM because I can get one fairly cheap through a friend at work. Is there a huge difference quality wise between it and the CDI?

Oh the fun we're gonna have!

[JFPATCH]

.308 is running 96-97% efficient at 16", so making it to 750yds is something the ammo will do.

Jbjh, where did you get this information? Please dont take offense, I don't doubt you. I'd just like to be able to refer to that source. Thanks.

Jfpatch

[jbjh]

Jbjh, where did you get this information? Please dont take offense, I don't doubt you. I'd just like to be able to refer to that source. Thanks.

Jfpatch

Ballistic calculator. So it's kind of a general statement, but will be in the ballpark.

[Guns-up.50]

I would consider more optic like a 2-10 over a 1-4 but thats just me

[JFPATCH]

jbjh,

Thanks for the info.

If money were no object, I'd just get a Brockmann Premier Practical Rifle. But, money IS an object.

http://www.brockmansrifles.com/bolt_action_prac.asp

[jbjh]

jbjh,

Thanks for the info.

If money were no object, I'd just get a Brockmann Premier Practical Rifle. But, money IS an object.

http://www.brockmansrifles.com/bolt_action_prac.asp

Ha! I have kids. Money is always an object.

Brockman makes cool stuff. There's a ton of great custom makers out there these days to choose from, if you have the cash.

[JFPATCH]

if you have the cash.

EXACTLY!!

[Lost River]

If I may offer a few points based upon years of experience in the field.

I built something similar. Mine is a .308 Tikka T3 stainless, cut to 20"s and topped with a 2.5-10x24 Nightforce. I use a VTAC sling.

I have killed everything from elk to jackrabbits to coyotes with mine.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/013-6.jpg


Some things I did that may be worth considering, or not....

I used Talley lightweight, one piece rings. They are a base and ring in one. These are rock solid and will save you weight. The chances of coming loose are slim to none. They are a smart choice on a rifle like this.

You can get a decent look here:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/PracticalTikka003.jpg

I used a very coarse wood screw and a tiny dab of epoxy on the threads when I put the screw/stud in that my sling attaches to on the side of my stock up front. Over the course of hundreds of hours afield it has never backed out. Make sure it does not come through and contact the barrel, thus messing up your barrel harmonics. I know that sounds obvious, but sometimes we forget to check the little things.


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/001-10.jpg



http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/070-1.jpg

Without getting into a debate about optics, I found over the years that a mid range optic, something along the lines of a 2-8 or a 2.5-10 or 4.5-14 is good to go. The low powered jobs have left me wanting a little bit more in the fields and on the range.

I usually keep mine on a lower power setting when afield, then dial up when needed. Doing it over, I would still go for a 2.5-10x, rather than something of lesser power.

[Lost River]

On a practical note, having a lighter weight rifle such as what you (OP) are contemplating building will let you go further in the field, if that is a factor.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/019-3.jpg

With lightweight gear, such as my little Tikka "practical rifle" and things such as a compact roll up wood burning stove, a guy can cover some ground in a day.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/015-9.jpg


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/010-12.jpg

BTW,

This is how the Tikka shoots with 165 grain Hollow Point Boat Tail Gamekings and Varget.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/T3Lite308.jpg