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I didn't see this (http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=n4lr&cat=47&page=1&search=&since=&status=) posted yet. :D
Looks like I found my next upper!
Well shoot. Sending email on cost to rebarrel my Basic. Thanks for the heads up.
Nice. Good to see them adjust to what many have been waiting to see from them. Sticking with my 14.5 carbine gas system n4 light low pro, but excellent move by them.
Jay Cunningham
03-11-08, 19:11
Nice find!
:cool:
RAM Engineer
03-11-08, 19:29
New in the Year 2008:
Midlength 16" N4's
Bushmaster ACR
FN SCAR L and H
Possible HK 416
It's truly a vast right wing conspiracy to separate me from my money to stimulate the economy...
Blake, you seriously just made my day. I found my new upper. Just need to save up. :D
-B
Awesome! I'll be adding that to the list. :cool:
Squirt! :D
http://www.noveskerifleworks.com/logo/n4lr-550.jpg
I can see this along side my Afghan upper.
N4 Light Recce 16" barrel.
AAC SPR/M4 mount.
Vltor Mur-1A.
KAC URX 2 Mid-length.
KAC Gas Block/ Front Sight combo.
Young MFg. Full-Auto carrier.
PRI Gas Buster.
Troy BUIS.
Either a Short Dot or Premiere Reticles rumored CQB scope.
I can dream, can't I?:D
Cyrus
John told me about these some time ago. It was hard to keep this barrel a secret.
IMHO, we are looking at the VERY best middy barrel on the market. You can bet that we will be building custom AR's out of these barrels. ;)
C4
tiger seven
03-12-08, 12:44
John told me about these some time ago. It was hard to keep this barrel a secret.
IMHO, we are looking at the VERY best middy barrel on the market. You can bet that we will be building custom AR's out of these barrels. ;)
C4
That's good to hear. I'm soooooo glad I never got around to actually getting a SS Recon barrel from you. :D
Derek
Grant,
More business coming your way near the end of the year.:cool:
Cyrus
Talked to John about the middy barrels. The will be available with their new Switch block, fixed FSB and a VLTOR low profile GB (all pinned). :D
C4
Talked to John about the middy barrels. The will be available with their new Switch block, fixed FSB and a VLTOR low profile GB (all pinned). :D
Very nice.
This new upper with a Switchblock, a can and some TBD optic... there goes my signing bonus :D
Just noticed this - how come none of the Noveske rifles or uppers have the AAC flash suppressor mounts as an option any more? Out of stock or is it a more permanent change?
For those interested, we are accepting pre-orders on these now.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=137904#post137904
C4
This new upper with a Switchblock, a can and some TBD optic... there goes my signing bonus :D
Just noticed this - how come none of the Noveske rifles or uppers have the AAC flash suppressor mounts as an option any more? Out of stock or is it a more permanent change?
I'd say it's worth a call to find out.
I ordered my N4 upper with a Surefire M4FA flash hider (specifically the M203 version which is long enough to perm on a 14.5"), which isn't on the website either, but I called them and they had them in stock.
Nice, as I am looking to get a midlength!
I hope they do 10.5s-12s as well.
How is the rail system that John is using now?
Nice, as I am looking to get a midlength!
I hope they do 10.5s-12s as well.
How is the rail system that John is using now?
I think Noveske will do a 10.5 in the future.
The rail system that they use is a pretty good one I think.
C4
Or a 12.5" N4 for AR10, that will be nice.
I have a question for ya'll, and it is not meant as a slight on Noveske in any way, just something curious I just noticed.
The N4 Light Recce 16" complete rifle (http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=n4lr&cat=47&page=1&search=&since=&status=) is $1,975.
The N4 Light Recce Upper 16" (http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=un4lr&cat=48&page=1&search=&since=&status=) is $1,295.
That's a difference of $680. Deduct $200+/- for the FET, and that's a $480 lower? We know from the pictures what the grip and stock are, but does anyone know what the other contributing factors to this price are?
I see that the N4 Semi -Complete Lower Assembly (http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=n4semicl&cat=9&page=1&search=&since=&status=) is $330 without stock or trigger, so I'm guessing that the premium is something in the lower itself? Buying the parts to complete that lower would result in a complete lower price of around that $480 depending on what LPK you used (anyone know what LPK they use?).
Again, let me be clear in saying that , even at $1975, I think the N4 is a great value when you factor in everything that you're getting, I'm just trying to get a handle on what "everything that you get" means. Tax-time has me feeling uncharacteristically stingy. :D
N4 Low Profile = $1,895
N4 Recce 16" = $1,975
Price difference = $80
N4 Low Profile Upper only = $1,245
N4 Recce 16" Upper only = $1,295
Price difference = $50
I am not sure what this means, but this is the math.
That's a difference of $680. Deduct $200+/- for the FET, and that's a $480 lower? We know from the pictures what the grip and stock are, but does anyone know what the other contributing factors to this price are?
+$480 Complete lower
-$150 (Vltor stock kit)
-$30 (TD grip)
-$60 (LPK)
-$140 (Stripped lower)
=$100 Price difference to assemble it yourself??????
+$480 Complete lower
-$150 (Vltor stock kit)
-$30 (TD grip)
-$60 (LPK)
-$140 (Stripped lower)
=$100 Price difference to assemble it yourself??????
I guess that's about the right ballpark. An LMT with a SOPMOD stock and Ergo grip is $465 so....
Any chance of a "basic" version without the rails? I understand that's not their market, but us poor folk would like to imagine that we could afford a Noveske middy at some time in the future. :D
Parabellum9x19mm
03-18-08, 20:51
Any chance of a "basic" version without the rails? I understand that's not their market, but us poor folk would like to imagine that we could afford a Noveske middy at some time in the future. :D
I called Noveske. They said it was in the works, but had no dates.
I called Noveske. They said it was in the works, but had no dates.
Cool, I'm not so sure I'm down with the rails they are offering. The VIS is nice but spendy.
It's not so much that really, I'd just like to leave me options open as far as a rail system.
Of course Grant is getting barrels for builds, so that somewhat mitigates that problem :cool:
Parabellum9x19mm
03-19-08, 01:05
i like the VIS. i like the look of the SWS rails tho, and i've heard good things thus far.
i guess i'll find out for myself in April, but if its anything like my other two NRW uppers, i'll be happy :D
Does anyone else find it poetic that this is coming out on April 15th? :D
im already going crazy trying to figure out which of the hot new items im going to be selling blood for.
....this makes things much more difficult.
geezerbutler
03-20-08, 13:07
Are the few who mentioned wanting one without the rails, interseted in that simply so you're not paying for something not suited to your specific needs?
Does Noveske make their own rails, and is there any particular reason they don't use the numbering system on their rails?
GEEZERBUTLER
Parabellum9x19mm
03-20-08, 14:30
Does Noveske make their own rails, and is there any particular reason they don't use the numbering system on their rails?
Noveske uses Superior Weapon Systems and Vltor VIS rails.
I can't answer your other question, their uppers (non VIS) are T-marked more crisp and clear than any other upper I've seen, but the VIS receivers are not rail marked at all. the SWS rails don't have markings either, not a major concern for me.
Not a middy, but my N4 Light Low-Profile Upper with the Novesks/SWS forend has slot numbers...
http://i.pbase.com/g1/86/694586/2/93438225.w1QDkeGU.jpg
http://i.pbase.com/g1/86/694586/2/93438226.thYma1dK.jpg
Parabellum9x19mm
03-20-08, 18:09
Not a middy, but my N4 Light Low-Profile Upper with the Novesks/SWS forend has slot numbers...
ooops, sorry. good to know. I ordered a lo-pro, but i don't have one of those yet. couldnt see markings in the pix.
thanks for the correction.
Here's a close-up look at my N4 Low Profile's rail and numbers in case that helps:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/Spodeley/Sportsman/Uppers/DSC02286.jpg
One thing I noticed in magazine articles about the complete rifle; the upper and lower are marked together with the Noveske "X" logo across a seam to show that they were built together as a matched pair - and to indicate anything else is a "parts gun" and not a true Noveske Rifle. Clever marketing.
Are the few who mentioned wanting one without the rails, interseted in that simply so you're not paying for something not suited to your specific needs?Pretty much, yeah. I don't have a need/use for rails at the moment, and aesthetically speaking, I don't like them. Given the scarcity of good mid-length uppers, it would be nice to have another option for a quality "starter" rifle that fits my preferences.
Pretty much, yeah. I don't have a need/use for rails at the moment, and aesthetically speaking, I don't like them. Given the scarcity of good mid-length uppers, it would be nice to have another option for a quality "starter" rifle that fits my preferences.
I'm in complete agreement with this statement. And I'm poor. :D
Spodeley, that looks to be true but I can't see any indication of those marks on just their uppers or lowers. I think it might only be on complete rifles, rather than separate parts.
-B
I'm in complete agreement with this statement. And I'm poor. :D
I'm not rich, but I don't have any kids -- I just got over-excited giving myself a 50th B-day present...
I was first really attracted by the Basic design, but then the rails grew on me. They remind me of the tracks on a Lionel train-set I used to play with as a tot. ;)
Spodeley, that looks to be true but I can't see any indication of those marks on just their uppers or lowers. I think it might only be on complete rifles, rather than separate parts.
-B
In a picture I took from a distance I can hardly see them either. :)
The markings don't show up in the pics at Rainier Arms (where I got it) but they do show-up on the Noveske website pics, or at least these couple:
Low-Pro short: ( http://noveskerifleworks.com/imimg/u145p556_1d.jpg )
and 16-Recon: ( http://noveskerifleworks.com/imimg/u161556_2d.jpg )
I only could afford the Upper (one bit at a time!) - and I was surprised how "soft" the rails felt - they don't have as-sharp edges as the Ultimak rail I put on my M1 carbine... ( http://www.ultimak.com/gallery/keithsM1C.jpg )
A shooter-friend who's a machinist said it was probably tumbled in something to take down the bite. Maybe I'll do that to the Ultimak - but then I'd have to re-anodize it? Or something?
Because I'm in CA I can't buy a whole rifle.
Instead I am forced to do something weird, spastic, and unnatural with a "magazine lock" device, built to appease our Socialist Masters. :(
Anybody from out-of-State, please feel free to raise a battalion and come and liberate California!!
Huh. I still can't see anything in the pics, but oh well; was just a theory anyway. :p
I recommend getting out of Cali while you can. You see their new ammo restriction bill?
-B
Huh. I still can't see anything in the pics, but oh well; was just a theory anyway. :p
I recommend getting out of Cali while you can. You see their new ammo restriction bill?
-B
They are small markings. ;)
Oh God - the Democrat Machine spits up another slimy legislative barfwad. :mad:
I reload, but still... I have my theories about how to change that but they belong in the politics discussion.
Being close to retirement makes future planning *interesting*...
They are small markings. ;)
Being close to retirement makes future planning *interesting*...Life is too short to be a slave to the whims of Democrats. I moved out of the Northeast three years ago and haven't looked back - and I'm nowhere near retirement age.
This is a noob question, but: Are rail systems heavy? I thought they'd affect weight and balance significantly, but one of Larue's rail systems is listed as weighing only a hair under one pound. That's one of the reasons I was disinclined to rails.
depends on the rail.
the Omega carbine rail is only 7-8oz IIRC.
i think the SWS rails on the N4 middy are arround 12oz.
Life is too short to be a slave to the whims of Democrats. I moved out of the Northeast three years ago and haven't looked back - and I'm nowhere near retirement age.
This is a noob question, but: Are rail systems heavy? I thought they'd affect weight and balance significantly, but one of Larue's rail systems is listed as weighing only a hair under one pound. That's one of the reasons I was disinclined to rails.
Being married to a career woman is who I'm a slave-to! :) I'm not able to be as location-flexible, but our mortgage is paid-off and she will see the benefits of a state with low personal income tax when ours become dependent on that...
I'm a noob too! My understanding is that the weight of the machine-gun type barrel in the N4 is what makes it heavy. The SWS rail actually seems pretty light - and the way it is directly attached to the receiver seems very solid.
One thing I noticed in magazine articles about the complete rifle; the upper and lower are marked together with the Noveske "X" logo across a seam to show that they were built together as a matched pair - and to indicate anything else is a "parts gun" and not a true Noveske Rifle. Clever marketing.
I ordered my N4 Basic from John over the phone and it didn't have the Noveske logo etched between the two halves...
I ordered my N4 Basic from John over the phone and it didn't have the Noveske logo etched between the two halves...
Interesting - the last two gun-Magazine articles featuring Noveske's that I read sorta made a point to mention it, and I sought it out in their pictures.
I think my "clever marketing" quip came out sounding snide. I would like to withdraw that tone. It IS a good marketing idea/thing.
Interesting - the last two gun-Magazine articles featuring Noveske's that I read sorta made a point to mention it, and I sought it out in their pictures.
I think my "clever marketing" quip came out sounding snide. I would like to withdraw that tone. It IS a good marketing idea/thing.
Oh, I am just fine with the tone...
In fact, I think the logo between the two halves thing is pretty swell. I just wanna know if I can send my M4 down to Grants Pass and have it lazed on!
Oh, I am just fine with the tone...
In fact, I think the logo between the two halves thing is pretty swell. I just wanna know if I can send my M4 down to Grants Pass and have it lazed on!
Being a noob I don't want to start out badly.
I was wondering how they did that - and you read my mind. If it were that close to me I'd drive myself down and hope for a tour!
I ordered my N4 Basic from John over the phone and it didn't have the Noveske logo etched between the two halves...
Oh good, I'm not crazy then. :D
-B
Email inbound, Grant: another one for the waiting list :D
Any plans to make this available with standard handguards and FSB?
Parabellum9x19mm
04-20-08, 10:50
Any plans to make this available with standard handguards and FSB?
this was already covered on the second page of this thread.
Basic (fixed FSB and standard hand guards) and VIS versions will be out in the future. no dates have been announced.
Thanks for the info--my appologies for being an inconvenience to you.
Any plans to make this available with standard handguards and FSB?
Yes.
C4
I had been kicking the idea of buying another Noveske rifle when I receive a post card in the mail announcing the new N4 Light Recce. I'm strong and tell my wife I'm not interested....yes, I lied to myself (not her! :eek: ). Now I'm wondering why I would want a mid-length 16" over a carbine 14.5" :
Advantages:
Mid-length = More reliable
Slightly higher velocities = Longer range and accuracy
Non-pinned flash hider = Maintenance or upgrade ease
Disadvantages:
1.5" Longer length = more cumbersome in close quarters
Slight cost increase = $100
Slight weight increase = a couple of ounces
Am I missing anything here? :confused:
Am I missing anything here? :confused:
Yes, the Noveske Recce that you want and need.:D
I got a call from Noveske today. My Upper is being shipped out today. Im stoked. I cant wait to see the difference in accuracy (if any) between the N4 barrel and a regular 16 in Noveske Recon. I think im going to take off work on monday.
John
I'm new here, and this is going to be my first AR. Ordered it the day it came out, should be here in the next few weeks.
.............:D
Yeah, I spoke to John yesterday as I was ordering another N4 from him. He said the Recces were shipping. He told me that the Recce had been in the development for the past year and a half. He really takes his business and customers very seriously. All of his products are very well thought out and priced to be competitive against Colt.
I'm new here, and this is going to be my first AR. Ordered it the day it came out, should be here in the next few weeks.
.............:D
I doubt you'll have to wait that long. However, I have no doubt that you're going to enjoy shooting your Recce. Good choice! Oh, and welcome to M4C. :D
Parabellum9x19mm
04-23-08, 22:58
I got a UPS electronic shipping notification on Wednesday saying a package was sent to me from Grant's Pass, Oregon....so these babies are shipping out to individual customers right now :cool:
N4LtRecce, you shouldn't have to wait too long if you just placed an order. i'm with you tho - waiting sucks, i can't wait for the brown truck to show up :D
welcome to M4C. :D
Thanks!
I'm really excited to get this carbine, but the UPS guy always comes ten minutes before I head off to work! :mad:
At least he's consistent.. :rolleyes:
Thanks!
I'm really excited to get this carbine, but the UPS guy always comes ten minutes before I head off to work! :mad:
At least he's consistent.. :rolleyes:
It'll be in safe hands with your FFL holder. It is not fun having to wait....we're Americans and we want it now! My next N4 LCLP won't be here for about two weeks.
I just wanted to say thank you everyone here for the kind words and continued support. M4Carbine.net has been a great friend of ours.
The N4 Light Recce is rolling out of here at full speed, and we are very happy with the product.
We now have pricing for those who want it in a basic configuration, although the pictures are not on our website yet, (about 2 weeks out).
The N4 Basic Light Recce uppers and rifles are in stock. You can order online or through our website.
COMPLETE RIFLE
$1425, N4 Light Recce Basic, #N4LRB
$2104, N4 Light Recce Basic with 9" VIS, #N4LRBVIS
$1975, N4 Light Recce Low-Profile, #N4LR
$2223, N4 Light Recce Low-Profile with 12" VIS, #N4LRVIS
COMPLETE UPPER
$915, N4 Light Recce Basic, #UN4LRB
$1399, N4 Light Recce Basic with 9" VIS#UN4LRBVIS
$1295, N4 Light Recce Low-Profile, #UN4LR
$1504, N4 Light Recce Low-Profile with 12" VIS, #UN4LRVIS
Thanks again!
----John
bigshooter
04-24-08, 19:21
im my email today........
This message was sent to you at the request of Noveske Rifleworks LLC to notify you that the package information below has been transmitted to UPS.
uhhhhhhhh...................just a little excited:D
John, thank you guys for providing the product you do, and for providing it in a basic configuration. :D
I see a Light Recce Basic in my near future.
Edit: Quick question - I notice on the N4 Light Carbine that you guys specified the weight of the barrel as being the same, but the contour was improved. Would I be correct in assuming the same goes for the Light Recce barrel?
-B
The 16" Light Recce shares the same barrel diameters as the 14.5" Light Carbine barrel, but extended into a 16.1" mid-length.
----John
Just got my UPS ship notification today :D
Very happy to hear that about the barrel dimensions :D
Glad I asked to be on the list...now I need that IRS check...
I've been very very happy with my N4 14.5...
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/662/novesken401ee2.jpg
The 16" Light Recce shares the same barrel diameters as the 14.5" Light Carbine barrel, but extended into a 16.1" mid-length.
----John
Rock on. Thanks.
Glad I asked to be on the list...now I need that IRS check...
You and me both!
-B
I've been very very happy with my N4 14.5...
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/662/novesken401ee2.jpg
How do you like that Tango Down bipod?
How do you like that Tango Down bipod?
Each leg snaps down easy with 1 hand, rock solid stable and has about 40° of side to side panning. I like it in the limited time I've had it so far.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4/IMG_0208.jpg?t=1209161279
Received my Noveske N4 Light Recce Low-Profile 16" today.
N4 Light Carbine, Low Profile (top) that I purchased last month. N4 Light Recce Low-Profile 16" (bottom)
S/F,
Jeff
Very nice, Jeff! My one Noveske was lonely so I'm in the process of adopting another one (should be here end of next week or the beginning of the following week). I think I'll name them "John" and "Sheri"! :D
There is one in my future. There is most definitely.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4/IMG_0208.jpg?t=1209161279
Received my Noveske N4 Light Recce Low-Profile 16" today.
N4 Light Carbine, Low Profile (top) that I purchased last month. N4 Light Recce Low-Profile 16" (bottom)
S/F,
Jeff
Looks great, brother, but it does appear to be missing something...
Looks great, brother, but it does appear to be missing something...
When I ordered the 16" Recce, I sent Noveske Rifleworks a box with the Magpul UBR, MIAD, Trigger Guard and a PWS FSC223 muzzle brake with instructions for install.
The Magpul gear was installed properly. The PWS FSC223 was suppose to be installed on the barrel and the Surefire 556k flash hider was suppose to be included in the box (so I could use it on another gun).
When I opened the box I was suprised to see that there was no muzzle devise on the gun and neither the FSC223 or the Surefire 556k was in the box.
I'm sure it was just an oversite.
I tried calling Noveske, but it was late on Friday afternoon and all I got was their voicemail. I'll give them a call on Monday.
But that just seems to be my luck lately. :(
S/F,
Jeff
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4/IMG_0208.jpg?t=1209161279
Received my Noveske N4 Light Recce Low-Profile 16" today.
N4 Light Carbine, Low Profile (top) that I purchased last month. N4 Light Recce Low-Profile 16" (bottom)
S/F,
Jeff
I put an A2 compensator on the Noveske N4 Recce yesterday and took some pics this morning. The A2 looks much better than the factory orange and blue barrel device :D and will make due until the upper can be shipped back to Noveske this week.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce/IMG_0261.jpg?t=1209307868
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce/IMG_0260.jpg?t=1209307890
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce/IMG_0259.jpg?t=1209307910
S/F,
Jeff
Looks pretty good with the A2. Too bad they couldn't get it right the first time.
How does one pronounce 'Recce,' anyway? I want them to know what I'm talking about when I order mine tomorrow. :)
She looks beautiful. I mean, I showed the pic to my wife and said 'thats about what mine will be looking like (refering to the stock and upper) and she was like 'oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, pretty!'
I got my upper in over lunch. It is a sweet piece of metal. Ill post pictures after work.
Here are some of the pics. Ive got the Noveske upper on a LMT Defender Lower. I think I am in love with the Ergo grip. It just fits so damn well in my hand. Mine had a blue thing on the barrel as well I was looking for a Magpul logo on it. I told my neighbor it was a new barrel cooling device :)
It looks bare, but I have the following on the way: Aimpoint M4, Larue FUG and a Larue light mount with a Surefire 6P ( Ive got a cree LED bulb and a after market pressure tape switch waiting)
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj169/harryhard/DSC00993.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj169/harryhard/DSC00991.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj169/harryhard/DSC00990.jpg
Some day ill learn how to take pictures like a professional.
John
looking good, i ordered a n4 light carbine back in march, should be shipping out anytime now.......might have to get a recce next
Let me know what the resolution is on the muzzle break. I am strongly considering ording an N4 from them & would like to hear how they deal with this situation. thanks
Let me know what the resolution is on the muzzle break. I am strongly considering ording an N4 from them & would like to hear how they deal with this situation. thanks
Silence!!!!:D
Let me know what the resolution is on the muzzle break. I am strongly considering ording an N4 from them & would like to hear how they deal with this situation. thanks
Dude it's not like they sent me the wrong gun, a bent barrel, or something that looked like it had been assembled by a drunk monkey. The second N4 was just like the first, flawless. It was just simply missing a muzzle device that I supplied.
Slight oversight on their part, we all overlook something at our job from time to time. Was I a little saddended by the situation? Sure, I got the tracking number, the gun was being delivered on the first day of my vacation, and I had plans to get it sighted in and start preping for some upcoming training / matches that I have in the upcoming month. Kind of like getting the remote controlled car you had been wanting all year on Christmas morning, only to find that your parents forgot to get you batteries and all the stores are closed. :D
The situation was handled as I expected it would be.
I called Noveske this morning, got their voicemail, and left a message.
Within about an hour, I received a call from John Noveske who was very nice, professional, and appologised for the situation and explained how it happened (the instructions I had included with my parts didn't make it back to the guys building the gun and per the invoice (invoice has basic instructions on it) it stated to include the Surefire 556K flash hider seperately).
For a person building my the gun and not getting my detailed instructions and just going off the instructions listed on the invoice, it appears that I didn't want a flash hider attached to the barrel.
John offered to overnight my PWS FSC556 to me or offered to have it shipped back to Noveske on his dime.
I shipped the upper back to Noveske (because I can't index a flash hider using a peel washer to save my life). ;)
Consider that I ordered this gun on 04-08-08 (sent my parts to Noveske on that same day and it took 3 days for the parts to get there) and I received the gun on 04-25-08. So take the 3 days away that Noveske had to wait on my parts and time from order to time of delivery was exactly 2 weeks. Semi-custom gun in 2 weeks, pretty damn fast in my opinion........ (a majority of the time you measure wait time on guns and gun parts in months, not weeks).
S/F,
Jeff
Just ordered a lower from Grant so that I can finally start my SBR that I've been talking doing for years. Once that's done, I will be adding a N4 middy to finish my trifecta - an N4 Carbine, an LMT 10.5 and an this rifle.
How it will all get paid for is another question.
USMC03,
Jeff can you update this with a range report. What I am trying to find out is the inherent accuracy of this set up VS. Noveske's 16" Stainless recon upper.
Thanks in advance.
Stay safe,
Jack
Jeff, you suck....:p
Coming from you, I will wear that as a badge of honor :D
USMC03,
Jeff can you update this with a range report. What I am trying to find out is the inherent accuracy of this set up VS. Noveske's 16" Stainless recon upper.
Thanks in advance.
Stay safe,
Jack
Will do.
S/F,
Jeff
Dude it's not like they sent me the wrong gun, a bent barrel, or something that looked like it had been assembled by a drunk monkey. The second N4 was just like the first, flawless. It was just simply missing a muzzle device that I supplied.
Slight oversight on their part, we all overlook something at our job from time to time. Was I a little saddended by the situation? Sure, I got the tracking number, the gun was being delivered on the first day of my vacation, and I had plans to get it sighted in and start preping for some upcoming training / matches that I have in the upcoming month. Kind of like getting the remote controlled car you had been wanting all year on Christmas morning, only to find that your parents forgot to get you batteries and all the stores are closed. :D
The situation was handled as I expected it would be.
I called Noveske this morning, got their voicemail, and left a message.
Within about an hour, I received a call from John Noveske who was very nice, professional, and appologised for the situation and explained how it happened (the instructions I had included with my parts didn't make it back to the guys building the gun and per the invoice (invoice has basic instructions on it) it stated to include the Surefire 556K flash hider seperately).
For a person building my the gun and not getting my detailed instructions and just going off the instructions listed on the invoice, it appears that I didn't want a flash hider attached to the barrel.
John offered to overnight my PWS FSC556 to me or offered to have it shipped back to Noveske on his dime.
I shipped the upper back to Noveske (because I can't index a flash hider using a peel washer to save my life). ;)
Consider that I ordered this gun on 04-08-08 (sent my parts to Noveske on that same day and it took 3 days for the parts to get there) and I received the gun on 04-25-08. So take the 3 days away that Noveske had to wait on my parts and time from order to time of delivery was exactly 2 weeks. Semi-custom gun in 2 weeks, pretty damn fast in my opinion........ (a majority of the time you measure wait time on guns and gun parts in months, not weeks).
S/F,
Jeff
Thanks for the info. FYI I was not trying to say the company sucks but you can tell quite a bit about a company with how they handle people & errors thats all.
Silence!!!!:D
shut your face
Dude it's not like they sent me the wrong gun, a bent barrel, or something that looked like it had been assembled by a drunk monkey. The second N4 was just like the first, flawless. It was just simply missing a muzzle device that I supplied.
Slight oversight on their part, we all overlook something at our job from time to time. Was I a little saddended by the situation? Sure, I got the tracking number, the gun was being delivered on the first day of my vacation, and I had plans to get it sighted in and start preping for some upcoming training / matches that I have in the upcoming month. Kind of like getting the remote controlled car you had been wanting all year on Christmas morning, only to find that your parents forgot to get you batteries and all the stores are closed. :D
The situation was handled as I expected it would be.
I called Noveske this morning, got their voicemail, and left a message.
Within about an hour, I received a call from John Noveske who was very nice, professional, and appologised for the situation and explained how it happened (the instructions I had included with my parts didn't make it back to the guys building the gun and per the invoice (invoice has basic instructions on it) it stated to include the Surefire 556K flash hider seperately).
For a person building my the gun and not getting my detailed instructions and just going off the instructions listed on the invoice, it appears that I didn't want a flash hider attached to the barrel.
John offered to overnight my PWS FSC556 to me or offered to have it shipped back to Noveske on his dime.
I shipped the upper back to Noveske (because I can't index a flash hider using a peel washer to save my life). ;)
Consider that I ordered this gun on 04-08-08 (sent my parts to Noveske on that same day and it took 3 days for the parts to get there) and I received the gun on 04-25-08. So take the 3 days away that Noveske had to wait on my parts and time from order to time of delivery was exactly 2 weeks. Semi-custom gun in 2 weeks, pretty damn fast in my opinion........ (a majority of the time you measure wait time on guns and gun parts in months, not weeks).
S/F,
Jeff
Glad to hear it got worked out for you, considering...
BTW, I'm really liking the N4 Light Carbine w/ M4 combo. That looks badass!
Parabellum9x19mm
04-29-08, 11:07
the UPS guy always comes ten minutes before I head off to work! :mad:
At least he's consistent.. :rolleyes:
ARGH!!!! i missed the UPS guy today. guess i'll pick it up from the UPS office after 8pm this evening, I'm not gonna chance missing him again tomorrow.
Guys, is there any kind of anti rotation device within the design of the SWS rails that Noveske is using? It doesn't appear so, but I'd like to confirm.
Any chance of a "basic" version without the rails? I understand that's not their market, but us poor folk would like to imagine that we could afford a Noveske middy at some time in the future. :D
I would say there is a better than average chance.....
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/American%20Defense%20MFG/IMG_3468%201028%20Stick.jpg
How much did that one cost?....Is it available? :eek:
Guys, is there any kind of anti rotation device within the design of the SWS rails that Noveske is using? It doesn't appear so, but I'd like to confirm.
The SWS/Noveske unit that I got on a N4 Light Low-Pro upper in Feb does NOT have rotation limiters.
How much did that one cost?....Is it available? :eek:
Hi Zombie,
I believe they are available, John from Noveske posted earlier with pricing
The N4 Basic Light Recce uppers and rifles are in stock. You can order online or through our website.
COMPLETE RIFLE
$1425, N4 Light Recce Basic, #N4LRB
$2104, N4 Light Recce Basic with 9" VIS, #N4LRBVIS
$1975, N4 Light Recce Low-Profile, #N4LR
$2223, N4 Light Recce Low-Profile with 12" VIS, #N4LRVIS
COMPLETE UPPER
$915, N4 Light Recce Basic, #UN4LRB
$1399, N4 Light Recce Basic with 9" VIS#UN4LRBVIS
$1295, N4 Light Recce Low-Profile, #UN4LR
$1504, N4 Light Recce Low-Profile with 12" VIS, #UN4LRVIS
Thanx for the reply bro!!!....I have a 14.5" N4 order pending....Now I'm undecided with what lenght to get.
Decisions'...Decisions'' :p
Good thing Im winning Power Ball this week.
That's a cute optic, Stickman. What's it going to be when it grows up? :p
I put an A2 compensator on the Noveske N4 Recce yesterday and took some pics this morning. The A2 looks much better than the factory orange and blue barrel device :D and will make due until the upper can be shipped back to Noveske this week.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce/IMG_0261.jpg?t=1209307868
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce/IMG_0260.jpg?t=1209307890
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce/IMG_0259.jpg?t=1209307910
S/F,
Jeff
Label me impressed!
I sent the N4 low profile Recce upper back to John Noveske on Monday via UPS 2 Day Air. I was sending from one of those Mail Boxes Etc. places and they informed me that they only offered UPS Overnight and UPS 2 Day Air.
I send John a PM telling him that my only choices were overnight and 2 day. I explained to John that 2 day for this package was $8 more than UPS Ground and offered to pay the difference (UPS Ground vs. UPS 2 Day), since he was paying for return shipping. John didn't take me up on my offer.
I just go back from reconfirming the zero on the Noveske N4 low profile Carbine, checking point of impact shift on that gun with the Surfire 556K suppressor, and doing some drills at the range before the wind picked up to the point that I couldn't keep a target on the target stand.
I'm home for less than 5 minutes and I get a call from Sheri at Noveske Rifleworks. Sheri tells me that the Noveske N4 low profile Recce (mid-length) is going out the door via UPS Next Day Air. I told Sheri that if they wanted to save some money they could just send it UPS 2 Day and I would get it on Friday (in time to get it sighted in this weekend). Sheri said she would just send it UPS Next Day Air so I would have it by tomarrow and could start getting the gun ready for this weekend.
As I am typing this I received a UPS Quantum View email with tracking number.
Rarely in the gun industry do you get this kind of service.
I had no doubt that Noveske would get the gun taken care of, but I'm truly impressed at the way in which Noveske took care of the situation!!!
Very impressive service. Keep up the good work Noveske Rifleworks!!!
S/F,
Jeff
John Hearne
04-30-08, 16:46
The "Basic" with a Daniel Defense Lite 9.0 will be on my patrol rifle by the end of the year if all goes well. That is about as perfect as it gets.
That's a cute optic, Stickman. What's it going to be when it grows up? :p
A Comp M4...
Sheri said she would just send it UPS Next Day Air so I would have it by tomarrow and could start getting the gun ready for this weekend.
Sheri is good people.
USMC03,
Jeff can you update this with a range report. What I am trying to find out is the inherent accuracy of this set up VS. Noveske's 16" Stainless recon upper.
Thanks in advance.
Stay safe,
Jack
John said the stainless Recon should do .60MOA if all is in order. I didnt ask about the other but a article in SWAT had it a little over 1MOA.
Derek_Connor
04-30-08, 21:08
John said the stainless Recon should do .60MOA if all is in order. I didnt ask about the other but a article in SWAT had it a little over 1MOA.
Wes @ MSTN is reporting submoa with N4 barrels, magnified optics and match ammo of course
Wes @ MSTN is reporting submoa with N4 barrels, magnified optics and match ammo of course
Interesting! I like to hear some more reports, crap when I thought I had my next upper figured out.
Are the Noveske/SWS rails one or 2 piece?
Id like to hear some reports as well. I have both the N4 middy and a Noveske Stainless reece. I really dont shoot good enough yet to be able to see much of a difference, but If others can do it, with practice I might be able to. .60 MOA thats insane :)
John
Interesting! I like to hear some more reports, crap when I thought I had my next upper figured out.
I don't have great phone access, and I figure there is enough info here that somone would probably know. I'm wanting to get a N4 Recce upper, but I want a Larue rail on it. My first question, is it possible to purchase a Larue rail and send it to Noveske to install, similar to what Jeff did? Is this appropriate? I don't want to step on toes. Thanks.
I don't have great phone access, and I figure there is enough info here that somone would probably know. I'm wanting to get a N4 Recce upper, but I want a Larue rail on it. My first question, is it possible to purchase a Larue rail and send it to Noveske to install, similar to what Jeff did? Is this appropriate? I don't want to step on toes. Thanks.
If you're just buying the upper, have Grant from G&R build you an upper and he should be able to put whatever rail you want on it.
I wish the SWS rail had the rotation stops on the pushbutton hole. If they did I'd stick with their rails with no problem. I was skeptical until I saw the N4 in person and the SWS is a good product with that one shortcoming.
I wish the SWS rail had the rotation stops on the pushbutton hole. If they did I'd stick with their rails with no problem. I was skeptical until I saw the N4 in person and the SWS is a good product with that one shortcoming.
This is basically what was keeping me from buying their upper as is. I figure if I'm gonna spend that type of money on an upper I might as get it exactly the way I want it. The rotation limiter was really the only thing that makes me apprehensive. I thought about a custom build, but I have no idea of what the cost may be. I'll look in to more options.
I don't have great phone access, and I figure there is enough info here that somone would probably know. I'm wanting to get a N4 Recce upper, but I want a Larue rail on it. My first question, is it possible to purchase a Larue rail and send it to Noveske to install, similar to what Jeff did? Is this appropriate? I don't want to step on toes. Thanks.
We can do custom builds as we order JUST the barrels from Noveske. We also stock LT and DD rails.
C4
We can do custom builds as we order JUST the barrels from Noveske. We also stock LT and DD rails.
C4
Thanks Grant,
I knew you did these types of builds, just hadn't really thought about going that route, but I'm beginning to think it may be the way to do it. Not trying to steal the thread here, but what types of upper receivers do you carry or use? Any not listed on your website?
Thanks Grant,
I knew you did these types of builds, just hadn't really thought about going that route, but I'm beginning to think it may be the way to do it. Not trying to steal the thread here, but what types of upper receivers do you carry or use? Any not listed on your website?
We stock USGI M4 upper receiver, LT Stealth (w/M4 cuts) and the VLTOR MUR.
C4
Who's the source for the USGI M4 upper?
What BCG would you use for a "Grant's Basic" Recce build?
Parabellum9x19mm
05-03-08, 14:51
my camera-fu is not strong like it is with USMC03 or Stickman, but I wanted to play too
N4 CAR Basic upper with its big brother a N4 Middy low-pro:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/parabellum9x19mm/n4.jpg
I don't have great phone access, and I figure there is enough info here that somone would probably know. I'm wanting to get a N4 Recce upper, but I want a Larue rail on it. My first question, is it possible to purchase a Larue rail and send it to Noveske to install, similar to what Jeff did? Is this appropriate? I don't want to step on toes. Thanks.
I called them earlier in the week and asked about something along those lines. Sheri told me that they had just had a meeting about that and they were not going to do it anymore.
As the popularity of these things takes off they're going to have to start to nix the custom orders. Mistakes are going to happen and customers are going to be upset.
The way around this is to have Grant or one of their other vendors build you exactly what you want from the Noveske parts. Or, in the case of the middy, order the "basic" version and put the parts on yourself.
Noveske N4 Light Middy
Recieved my first one :) --another on order
Received my N4 the other day and immediately took it to the range. I'm very pleased with this weapon, excellent quality and accuracy :D
Man I need to win the lotto!
Sheri said she would just send it UPS Next Day Air so I would have it by tomarrow and could start getting the gun ready for this weekend.
Sheri is good people.
Sheri is a pleasure to work with.......very efficient, knowledgable, nice, and always on the ball.
*
I don't know why, but the clarity goes to crap (and the color / lighting isn't as good) when I resize in Photobucket:
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce/IMG_0296.jpg?t=1210010211
S/F,
Jeff
What is the exact weight difference between the Lo-Pro 14.5 and the Lo-Pro Recce? Thanks.
Who's the source for the USGI M4 upper?
What BCG would you use for a "Grant's Basic" Recce build?
AO is the source for our M4 uppers. We can use BCM or LMT BCG's.
C4
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4/IMG_0370.jpg?t=1210806833
S/F,
Jeff
Holy Crap!! You got brass marks on your brass deflector!!! :eek:
Holy Crap!! You got brass marks on your brass deflector!!! :eek:
All is as it should be :cool:
I don't know why, but the clarity goes to crap (and the color / lighting isn't as good) when I resize in Photobucket:
S/F,
Jeff
I'm pretty sure Photobucket compresses files, regardless of size
I just had to publically thank John for his excellent customer service. I emailed him on Wednesday morning concerning a N4 Light Recce Basic upper. My email was responded to within an hour, with the information I requested. I called them shortly after receiving the response and placed an order. I checked my email this morning to find out the order went out yesterday (the same day I placed the order). That is my definition of service! On top of that, John provided this ol' warrior with an offer he did not have to do, but graciously presented anyway. You da man, John!! Thanks much, brother!
Karl
Holy Crap!! You got brass marks on your brass deflector!!! :eek:
No electrical tape!!!:eek: :D
No electrical tape!!!:eek: :D
do people really put eletrical tape to prevent normal wear and tear?
Parabellum9x19mm
05-15-08, 20:16
do people really put eletrical tape to prevent normal wear and tear?
i've seen people on the FN forum brag about how new their ARs look because they put electrical tape on the shell deflectors.
they were also putting fuzzy velcro on the inside of the ejection ports on their PS90s. ...i mean really, who is ever going to see that anyway?
i find brass marks to be a badge of honor and i'm sure most others here would agree. i doubt many people on this forum engage in such behavior.
Holy Crap!! You got brass marks on your brass deflector!!! :eek:
If my lady must eat she must eat brass that I can reload.
John 123
p.s. I dont think my Dillion likes the taste of Steel yet. Ill let you know when she does :) ill be stoked!
I have an N4 on order right now just waiting for it to ship. Did I mention I hate waiting? So far the people at Noveske have been great. As was mentioned before I got great responce time from John via email
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm304/rickmcaz/n4lrb_1d.jpg
Just ordered mine(with AAC 3 prong-non mount, not shown), will get more info next week.
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm304/rickmcaz/sopmodb_1d.jpg
Added this SOPMOD. Sheri @ Noveske was very helpful in my ordering process.
Razorhunter
06-19-08, 19:59
I would like to ask a couple questions here:
robs,
WHICH manufacturers actually DO make a FF rail w/integral QD sling swivel "stops"???? I've always had the ideal of making a FF rail, with stops, to keep the sling from rotating 360*, but I've never seen anyone actually do it.
On my rifles with 9" rails, and shorter, I am able to put the TD or KAC rail panesl up front, towards the very end of the rail, and the rail panels actually keep the QD swivels from rotating. Works very well on an LMT MRP, but I'm sure it wouldn't work on ALL guns.
To EVERYONE else:
Does ANYONE here have a picture of a Noveske N4 RECCE build, with a VIS? I would LIKE to be able to see if ANYONE has pics of a 9" VIS, as well as a 10" VIS.
Anyone know if the 9" VIS would look ok? I don't THINK it would even cover teh midlength gas block on the RECCE would it?
How about the 10"? It DOES cover the RECCE midlength gas block, correct? I am pretty sure the 10" covers the GB, and is really the ONLY way to go.
Anyone have pics of a VIS with LOW PRO GB, instead of the FSB??
Thanks guys.
Paul, any of the Noveskes ordered this month and from now on will have SWS rails with integral stops in the sockets.
Other rails that include this feature are all of the larue rails as well as the Daniel Defense Omega rails.
To EVERYONE else:
Does ANYONE here have a picture of a Noveske N4 RECCE build, with a VIS? I would LIKE to be able to see if ANYONE has pics of a 9" VIS, as well as a 10" VIS.
Anyone know if the 9" VIS would look ok? I don't THINK it would even cover teh midlength gas block on the RECCE would it?
How about the 10"? It DOES cover the RECCE midlength gas block, correct? I am pretty sure the 10" covers the GB, and is really the ONLY way to go.
Anyone have pics of a VIS with LOW PRO GB, instead of the FSB??
Thanks guys.
Don't know if you've seen this one here (http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=317153&page=4), in particular post number. . .uh. . .well, it starts there.
You'll see it once you scroll through.
Paul, any of the Noveskes ordered this month and from now on will have SWS rails with integral stops in the sockets.
I can confirm as I just picked up my N4 Recce today and it has the integral stops.
Razorhunter
06-20-08, 16:55
Cool,
I'd be super interested in seeing these stops myself.
Are they INSIDE the swivel cup hole? Meaning, down IN the races/grooves for the balls?
Are they visible in a good up close picture?
I can confirm as I just picked up my N4 Recce today and it has the integral stops.
Educate me on this. :confused: Still new, and always learning.
Razorhunter
06-20-08, 17:23
The "integral sling swivel stops" simply keep the QD/Pushbutton sling swivels from rotating 360 degrees, so that your sling does NOT get twisted up on you.
Very nice little feature that ALL the rail manuf's should have BEEN doing. As I stated earlier, many of us have been using Tangodown (or other) rail panels strategically placed near the sling swivel cup/hole, to also prevent the swivels from turning 360 degrees.
It's not a deal breaker, but these are the things that the cognoscenti tend to look for on a rifle/carbine.
SonicKrack
06-22-08, 21:11
Quick question. Where do I hook up a Single-point Sling onto my N4 Recce ? At the beginning of the stock there's a ring with a hole on it, but it must be turned. The picture shows the same ring turned slightly out. Is there a way to hook it up to that piece and how do I turn it?
Thanks.
http://demigodllc.com/photo/SLINGS/small/B100_1464_img.jpg
The picture shows the same ring turned slightly out. Is there a way to hook it up to that piece and how do I turn it?
Thanks.
That is not the same part, the mount on Zaks weapon pictured above is a single point sling mount. DO NOT pull and rotate the part that is on your stock weapon and expect things to turn out well.
SonicKrack
06-27-08, 15:14
Thanks Stick,
I did some research on that sling mounting, and realized that I need a whole new part in order to mount it. This shows how much I know about rifles... but in any event I am getting better at it :) Thanks for "opening my eyes" on this subject.
The rifle is USMC03's; the photo is mine.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-29-08, 15:23
What triggers go in to Noveske rifles, the N4 Recce specifically? I've looked all over and I can't seem to find it in the specs
If I wanted one with a JP handguard tube and a UBR stock, what would be the best way to get that done?
Razorhunter
06-29-08, 17:10
I'm fairly certain it's a standard (possibly LMT) milspec trigger. Nothing special, or Noveske would advertise it.
You would need to purchase any of the RECCE uppers or complete weapons on Noveskes website, and then install the JP tube yourself (or have some other armorer do it)
Noveske doesn't work with customer supplied parts anymore...
If I wanted one with a JP handguard tube and a UBR stock, what would be the best way to get that done?
Saw this on Noveske's website. Would these two (2) from Noveske be similar as opposed to JP Rifleworks?
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/ClarenceLadd/NoveskeVTAC.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/ClarenceLadd/NoveskeVTACs.jpg
I'm supposing that the Magpul.UBR could be done either by yourself, or someone with the tools and know how.
Hope you find what you're looking for and Enjoy!
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-29-08, 19:14
Saw this on Noveske's website. Would these two (2) from Noveske be similar as opposed to JP Rifleworks?
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/ClarenceLadd/NoveskeVTAC.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g124/ClarenceLadd/NoveskeVTACs.jpg
I'm supposing that the Magpul.UBR could be done either by yourself, or someone with the tools and know how.
Hope you find what you're looking for and Enjoy!
I should have specified the JP/VTAC handguard. I guess that is the real issue with the AR system, there are just so many options, I'm always wanting to tweak it. The N4 seems about as close to what I want, and if I can get it from such a reputable manufacturer, instead of gunsmithed rifle, so much the better. The chrome lined barrel sounds like a real winner.
I could be wrong, but they're both VTAC 12" Handguards according to the manufacturers respective online site.
Any idea if Noveske plans on making a Middy version of the 14.5" N4 Basic upper??? I would prefer the middy version over the carbine version due to the ability to mount the DD Omega 9.0 rail for more "rail-estate".
I also prefer the 14.5" barrel with the permanent flashider/brake option as it handles noticeably better in and out of cars, and when clearing structures.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-30-08, 11:29
Any idea if Noveske plans on making a Middy version of the 14.5" N4 Basic upper??? I would prefer the middy version over the carbine version due to the ability to mount the DD Omega 9.0 rail for more "rail-estate".
I also prefer the 14.5" barrel with the permanent flashider/brake option as it handles noticeably better in and out of cars, and when clearing structures.
Rail-estate is now my favorite buzz word, replacing Tacti-cool.
Any idea if Noveske plans on making a Middy version of the 14.5" N4 Basic upper??? I would prefer the middy version over the carbine version due to the ability to mount the DD Omega 9.0 rail for more "rail-estate".
I also prefer the 14.5" barrel with the permanent flashider/brake option as it handles noticeably better in and out of cars, and when clearing structures.
I think they will, but will after the 10.5 N4's come out.
C4
SonicKrack
07-10-08, 15:01
Zak,
Thanks for the reply. I found the pic on one of the forums and it's exactly what I am looking for. Where can I get the ring so I can have my sling attached?
I'm not sure-- ask USMC03
SonicKrack,
There are a lot of different ones, what type of attachment point (or sling brand) are you going to use? Some slings are available with different end pieces, so it could become important if you already have the sling purchased. If not, just make sure you match sling to end plate.
FWIW I would NOT want to run a single-point sling on an N4 Recce. Single points, IMHO, work better on lighter, shorter guns if they work at all.
If you simply MUST have one, the ring mount shown in Zak's pic of USMC03's gun is setup for an HK-style snap hook. The version he's running replaces the receiver endplate. Some find that the ring gets in the way when trying to run the charging handle. It looks like it's the YHM version (http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=RSA&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3Dsling%20and%20mount%26searchstart%3D0%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/FullNav/SearchResult.html).
I MUCH prefer the endplate replacement from Daniel Defense (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=78) as it takes a pushbutton and stays out of the way of the charging handle. The downside is that, just like the ring in the picture, you have to completely dissasemble your stock to get it on and then re-stake the plate to the castle nut.
Another option is the excellent PR-4 from Tango Down (http://tangodown.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=35&products_id=40) which simply clamps around the receiver extension and doesn't require you to take apart your stock at all. It also offers attachment points at the sides in addition to the one at the back.
You can see the Daniel Defense version in this pic (note that this gun is both short AND light, hence the single point)
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/Colt-6933-Magpul-Larue-1.jpg
Battl3fr0nt
07-11-08, 08:09
Nice. Good to see them adjust to what many have been waiting to see from them. Sticking with my 14.5 carbine gas system n4 light low pro, but excellent move by them.
how long is tour barrel with a 14.5" gas system? I know a middy is old style car lenth is 7 and the new middys are 9", I find the middy's to be the best of all for alot fo reasons
SonicKrack
07-14-08, 17:38
Rob,
Thanks for your help. As always, helpfull and great informative answers. I got the YHM type from a different manufacturer. I guess I have to have someone professional install that endplate for me, I have absolutely no knowledge when it comes to M4/AR-15s. On the other hand I thought the N4 Recce was a light gun... as the name describes: N4 Light Recce. I have to admit, it's a bit long now, immagine when I put the M4-2k can on it. I wish I'd bought the 14.5 version with the pinned AAC flash hider... but too late. Never handled an other AR/M4 type so I am not sure how lighter it is.
Once again, thanks !!!!
I weighed my Recce 16". It's the low profile. Anyway, with my acog that thing weighs in at exactly 9 lbs.:(
I weighed my Recce 16". It's the low profile. Anyway, with my acog that thing weighs in at exactly 9 lbs.:(
Huh. This seems a bit heavy. How much does your ACOG weigh? Was this weight with a FG or light?
I weighed my Recce 16". It's the low profile. Anyway, with my acog that thing weighs in at exactly 9 lbs.:(
Seems normal to me, mine is 8.8lbs with ACOG and full 30rd mag.
I weighed my Recce 16". It's the low profile. Anyway, with my acog that thing weighs in at exactly 9 lbs.:(
loaded or unloaded? sling or no sling? light or no light? VFG or rail covers or none of the above? Which stock?
Some points of reference, all with the thinnest barrel profile available.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/BIB-weight.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/DSC_1756-Small.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/DSC_1757-Small.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/DSC_1758-Small.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/weights/DSC_2093Medium.jpg
An AK, for reference (also a "skinny" barrel)
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/weights/DSC_2081Medium.jpg
and a KAC SR15 E3
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/KAC%20SR-15/DSC_2066e800.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/KAC%20SR-15/DSC_2013e800.jpg
barrel profile of same
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/KAC%20SR-15/DSC_1999Medium.jpg
loaded or unloaded? sling or no sling? light or no light? VFG or rail covers or none of the above? Which stock?
Unloaded
Just like this except without the magazine.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll147/adroozz/22-1.jpg
Hmm, I don't know that I'd expect that to weigh that much, but who knows. The ACOG is about 1lb, but I don't know if that includes the thumbsrew mount or not. An Aimpoint with Larue mount is about 11 oz.
So, the SR15 I pictured above should weigh in at about 8lbs 7oz +/- with the ACOG on it. That's 9 oz less than your Noveske?
Also, the SR15 I pictured has no rail covers of any kind on it. Looks like you have 5-6 XTMs per rail, making for a total of about 15? .5 oz per two-piece segment and there's the lion's share of the missing 9 oz.
I'd say the N4 is on-par with the competition.
Guess all that adds up. I didn't realize quad rails are so heavy.
Guess all that adds up. I didn't realize quad rails are so heavy.
Rails aren't heavy. Not on a per-inch basis. A Daniel Defense 7.0 rail weighs less than double heat-shield plastic handguards, barren nut, delta ring, spring, and handguard cap.
Rail covers/panels, however, always add to this and generally weigh more than what people expect them to.
I'm going to weigh some XTM and other panels tonight.
Rails aren't heavy. Not on a per-inch basis. A Daniel Defense 7.0 rail weighs less than double heat-shield plastic handguards, barren nut, delta ring, spring, and handguard cap.
Rail covers/panels, however, always add to this and generally weigh more than what people expect them to.
I'm going to weigh some XTM and other panels tonight.
I had 3 bags of them and they sure didn't feel heavy. I can't see how it'd add more than 1/2 lb. IF THAT. If it does, that sucks.
My 8.8lbs set-up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/tx_dutchman/Rifles/AR15/DSC04809Medium.jpg
For a minute here, I thought you were talking about the bike.
For a minute here, I thought you were talking about the bike.
That one is about 375lbs wet. It's a heavy sucker riding single trails, but it's a blast on and off the road! :)
So if I want a 16" middy Noveske basic, for less than the complete Noveske, what's a solid parts pick?
I had 3 bags of them and they sure didn't feel heavy. I can't see how it'd add more than 1/2 lb. IF THAT. If it does, that sucks.
As Simplydynamic says, "ounces become pounds".
I weighed some XTMs last night. I just kept adding them to the scale until I got to 1 oz (although the weight must have been right on the cusp, because it kept flicerking between .9 oz and 1). It took 8 sections to get to 1 oz., or 4 pairs. You have something like 15+ pairs on there, right? So there's about 4 oz.
Either way, this is all rather academic as 9 lbs for a 16" midlength carbine with 12" rail and a 4x ACOG is pretty much par for the course.
As Simplydynamic says, "ounces become pounds".
I weighed some XTMs last night. I just kept adding them to the scale until I got to 1 oz (although the weight must have been right on the cusp, because it kept flicerking between .9 oz and 1). It took 8 sections to get to 1 oz., or 4 pairs. You have something like 15+ pairs on there, right? So there's about 4 oz.
Either way, this is all rather academic as 9 lbs for a 16" midlength carbine with 12" rail and a 4x ACOG is pretty much par for the course.
Cool, thanks for your info.
N4 Light (14.5") upper w/ permanent Vortex FH, 4.59# as delivered.
http://www.pbase.com/aubrey_w_bogard/image/93438234/large.jpg
8.09# with Magpul CTR stock, Midwest Industries MCTAR-30HD sling adapter, VCAS sling, VTAC light mount, G2 light with clickie tailcap.
http://www.pbase.com/aubrey_w_bogard/image/93438323/large.jpg
more pics HERE (http://www.pbase.com/aubrey_w_bogard/noveske_n4_light)
SonicKrack
07-29-08, 15:13
Weight with 30 round magazine, scope and battle grip: 9 pounds 5.5 ounces
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/787/weight2ta1.jpg
Weight with sling but without magazine: 8 pounds 9.5 ounces
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/696/weight1ct5.jpg
Does the Lt Middy have much weight difference (+/- 1 or 2 oz) from a gov't profile...other than the distibution more towards the chamber?
Does the Lt Middy have much weight difference (+/- 1 or 2 oz) from a gov't profile...other than the distibution more towards the chamber?
I've heard that the difference is ~6oz, but that figure still sounds high. Can anyone determine this? What kind of weight difference is there between two otherwise identical rifles?
I've read the difference between a lightweight (.625) and gov't 16" is more like 5-6 oz., so I have to assume the N4 is closer to gov't weight than that.
I've read the difference between a lightweight (.625) and gov't 16" is more like 5-6 oz., so I have to assume the N4 is closer to gov't weight than that.
My mistake, I thought you were referring to the difference between a 16" lightweight and a 16" government profile, I didn't realize Noveske had their own deal going on.
But yes, we've heard the same then. I've even heard as high as 8oz, but I'm not able to confirm that. It's considerable though.
Nice rifle, Aubrey. May I ask where you got the 'fire breathing pig' decal. It's cool.
Nice rifle, Aubrey. May I ask where you got the 'fire breathing pig' decal. It's cool.
The decal was included with the upper.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce%20Basic%20Black/IMG_0756.jpg
S/F,
Jeff
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c284/eshindollar/My%20Noveske%20N4/00e56956.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c284/eshindollar/My%20Noveske%20N4/9dc026c6.jpg
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce%20Basic%20Black/IMG_0724.jpg
S/F,
Jeff
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce%20Basic%20Black/IMG_0757.jpg
S/F,
Jeff
Same gun before I added the LaRue rail:
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce%20Basic%20Black/DPP_0173.jpg
S/F,
Jeff
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Noveske/IMG_4994%201028%20WEVO.jpg
Great looking N4's...
Looks like O'Bama's got John raising his prices in anticipation of a ban - just noticed a jump tonight by ~$50 on the uppers, rifles look like they are being updated as prices were removed.
Time to place that order I suspect.
Great looking N4's...
Looks like O'Bama's got John raising his prices in anticipation of a ban - just noticed a jump tonight by ~$50 on the uppers, rifles look like they are being updated as prices were removed.
Time to place that order I suspect.
Noveske Rifleworks recently switched to MUR uppers, which are an item that cost more than the standard upper receivers which they replaced. The guys (and gals) down there are some of the best people in the industry, if their costs go up, I don't see much way around them raising prices.
The MUR was a planed price increase. We sold the first batch of MUR's without a price increase and sold out of those yesterday.
We also sold out of most of our inventory yesterday and plan to expedite manufacture and shipping of parts, some of those costs have to be passed on.
Noveske Rifleworks recently switched to MUR uppers, which are an item that cost more than the standard upper receivers which they replaced. The guys (and gals) down there are some of the best people in the industry, if their costs go up, I don't see much way around them raising prices.
Prices still went up on the "Basic" Models (Carbine & Recce) which still uses the old spec uppers, unless this was an oversight just on the www spec.
I am not arguing the value or quality, I intend to buy a Noveske as soon as they are once again available. I had initially hoped to get the Recce Basic and would love to have the MUR upper on it...would be happy to pay a little more for it.
Medicine Calf
11-09-08, 12:15
I put my Noveske purchase on hold in favor of an AK. I'm hoping things will settle down in a few months (post-inauguration).
I'd trust the verbal over the website from Noveske. Last time I looked (a week ago) the Lt Recce was described as having carbine gas. That bothers me not a whit. I prefer perfection in the product :D
Light Recce's are have midlength gas systems, not carbine.
-B
Exactly my point. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Their website said carbine length on a 16 upper a while ago, it's obviously mid-length in reality, and they probably fixed the site.
point being, errors in marketing releases do occur...if in doubt, just call.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Foliage/e6bd3e21.jpg
S/F,
Jeff
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce%20Basic%20Black/DPP_0012.jpg
S/F,
Jeff
Quick question for Todd or anyone else who knows:
Do plain N4 Light Recce Basic uppers still come with a standard upper receiver or with the MUR? Is the price on Noveske's website reflective of an included MUR receiver or is my memory crappy on what I thought the Recce Basic upper was?
-B
Quick question for Todd or anyone else who knows:
Do plain N4 Light Recce Basic uppers still come with a standard upper receiver or with the MUR? Is the price on Noveske's website reflective of an included MUR receiver or is my memory crappy on what I thought the Recce Basic upper was?
-B
I have recently looked into this and apparently the Carbine and Recce Basic's still come with MilSpec standard M4 uppers (CMT I believe).
All others (LowPro's/FSR's) now come with custom Vltor MUR's. Customized to make the SWS rails truly non-rotating. The exception (obviously) are the monolithic Vltor VIS model.
Huh. Okay, I guess my memory is bad then (thought I saw the price go up like the products that got the MUR). Thanks, mpardun!
-B
Huh. Okay, I guess my memory is bad then (thought I saw the price go up like the products that got the MUR). Thanks, mpardun!
-B
I thought that was wierd myself.
Luke: Please do chime in...I am not a Noveske employee - just an enthusiast and fan!
I asked the question before the election crazyness as I debated a Recce Basic verus LowPro. I went LowPro as I wanted the MUR upper and ended up adding a bunch of other upgrades: switchblock, UBR, MIAD and MB556k.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce%20Basic%20Black/IMG_0726.jpg
S/F,
Jeff
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Recce%20Basic%20Black/DPP_0022.jpg?t=1234412258
S/F,
Jeff
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/USMC03_photos/Noveske%20N4%20Foliage/IMG_1577_edited.jpg
S/F,
Jeff
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