View Full Version : Help! Need Grip Options for HK45c!!
azeriosu85
02-17-13, 22:39
So I recently received my German HK45c, I like it alot, like the full-size HK45 better, but it's still very nice. However The damn grip is the most slippery thing to my hand. I have no idea why, my sights line up perfectly when aiming but i just cannot for the life of me build confidence in drawing it under pressure, or manipulating it as is and get a "secure" grip. It's just too damn slick. I have toyed with hogue/pachymayr grips, but those are a no go for ccw in my mind. Last stop is grip tape but that seems a tad tacky for me. Not hounding it, just haven't tried it. And to make matters worse, I felt a Glock 30sf today, and liked it much better than the older 30 and it felt very "secure", moreso than my HK45c. Now i hear the Gen 4 Glock 30 and the new 30s are out and even slimmer, with finger grooves for my tiny girl fingers. I love the HK45c, it looks cool, points naturally, has a uber cool-ness about it, and like the idea of a hammer for AIWB. However the control of it is lacking even during dry fire....What should i do?
parishioner
02-17-13, 22:51
Stipple?
Coal Dragger
02-17-13, 23:06
A good stipple job is a relatively inexpensive fix.
azeriosu85
02-17-13, 23:07
A good stipple job is a relatively inexpensive fix.
i have never felt a professionally stippled handgun before personally, i've seen em but never manipulated one. Only one i have felt was a garage job that felt like it would but my tendons after 5 rounds hahaha
warpedcamshaft
02-17-13, 23:16
The HK45 series is regarded as a top notch 45.
When guys like Larry Vickers talk very highly of something, I pay attention.
I would urge you to get a stipple job on the 45c before you move to another weapon.
Find some 3M skateboard tape and cut yourself a grip panel.
azeriosu85
02-17-13, 23:19
The HK45 series is regarded as a top notch 45.
When guys like Larry Vickers talk very highly of something, I pay attention.
I would urge you to get a stipple job on the 45c before you move to another weapon.
i agree, and am not going to be impulsive on this, i just lack full confidence on a secure grip. would be willing to try stippling, but hard to know what you want done PERMANENTLY without ever feeling the finished product you know? i might pick up some grip tape tomorrow, just not sure the best setup/template for it
warpedcamshaft
02-17-13, 23:24
If you decide to have it done, maybe check with Bowie Tactical Concepts. If you look at the pictures page, you can see some of his HK work.
http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com
Don't sell the gun! I kick myself for letting my Hk 45c go.
Get in touch with cold bore customs and have him stipple it and be done with it.
azeriosu85
02-17-13, 23:48
Don't sell the gun! I kick myself for letting my Hk 45c go.
Get in touch with cold bore customs and have him stipple it and be done with it.
is that vertical stippling the most popular?
these guys look nice though too
http://www.coldborecustom.com/Texturing.html
soo many god damned decisions lol. might just grip tape it or hockey tape it and say the hell with it
Try this stuff:Walther Heat Shrink Dermagrip (http://www.carlwalther.com/p99acc.htm) (scroll down to nearly the bottom of the page)
Pic with part numbers (http://www.carlwalther.com/images/dermagrip2a.jpg)
It just slips on then you hit it with a heat gun and it shrinks to fit. It is very grippy and durable. I am surprised that it is relatively unknown as an alternative to stippling or skateboard tape, but it works really well. I had it on a USP45 and have it for my HK45C (traded the USP and some other gear for it), but haven't had a chance to install it yet. It works great on my P99 and G19.
The link I provided is Earl's, who is pretty well known for Walther stuff and is the only place I know of to buy it. For $25, you aren't risking much if you don't like it since you just cut it off with a razor blade and no damage or adhesive, etc.
parishioner
02-18-13, 00:03
Try this stuff:Walther Heat Shrink Dermagrip (http://www.carlwalther.com/p99acc.htm) (scroll down to nearly the bottom of the page)
Pic with part numbers (http://www.carlwalther.com/images/dermagrip2a.jpg)
It just slips on then you hit it with a heat gun and it shrinks to fit. It is very grippy and durable. I am surprised that it is relatively unknown as an alternative to stippling or skateboard tape, but it works really well. I had it on a USP45 and have it for my HK45C (traded the USP and some other gear for it), but haven't had a chance to install it yet. It works great on my P99 and G19.
The link I provided is Earl's, who is pretty well known for Walther stuff and is the only place I know of to buy it. For $25, you aren't risking much if you don't like it since you just cut it off with a razor blade and no damage or adhesive, etc.
How much thickness does that add?
azeriosu85
02-18-13, 00:12
Try this stuff:Walther Heat Shrink Dermagrip (http://www.carlwalther.com/p99acc.htm) (scroll down to nearly the bottom of the page)
Pic with part numbers (http://www.carlwalther.com/images/dermagrip2a.jpg)
It just slips on then you hit it with a heat gun and it shrinks to fit. It is very grippy and durable. I am surprised that it is relatively unknown as an alternative to stippling or skateboard tape, but it works really well. I had it on a USP45 and have it for my HK45C (traded the USP and some other gear for it), but haven't had a chance to install it yet. It works great on my P99 and G19.
The link I provided is Earl's, who is pretty well known for Walther stuff and is the only place I know of to buy it. For $25, you aren't risking much if you don't like it since you just cut it off with a razor blade and no damage or adhesive, etc.
BOOM! this is ****ing perfect! i remember this from my PPQ days, supposed to be AMAZING stuff. and stays put. hmmmm would LOVE to see a pic of the actual product
EDITED found pics:
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3138/dscn3158.jpg
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5852/dscn3157.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3138/dscn3158.jpg
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/attachments/gear-gadgets-tactics-training/160d1190739083-anybody-ever-try-walther-derma-grip-dermagrip1.jpg
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/attachments/gear-gadgets-tactics-training/159d1190739053-anybody-ever-try-walther-derma-grip-dermagrip.jpg
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/attachments/gear-gadgets-tactics-training/161d1190739132-anybody-ever-try-walther-derma-grip-dermagrip2.jpg
http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/attachments/gear-gadgets-tactics-training/162d1190740934-anybody-ever-try-walther-derma-grip-p99_flashhider-3.jpg
Do it!!!!
The glock 30 is fantastic!! 30sf even better!
The 30s looks good but haven't seen enough on it.
How much thickness does that add?
Negligible. It has the same thickness as heat shrink tubing for electronics or car wiring, but with texture, so we are only talking fractions of a millimeter. It isn't like the slip-on rubber grips that add bulk and slip or start to move around once they get used a bit. This doesn't move once it is shrunk to the frame with heat.
azeriosu85
02-18-13, 00:15
I see Brookstactical.com now has a cutout for the HK45c in it's "A-Grip" material.
ETA: These are some of the HK "USP" pistols from his gallery
http://www.brookstactical.com/media/DrHckl.jpg
http://www.brookstactical.com/media/usp&mp5.jpg
azeriosu85
02-18-13, 00:43
Also interfan can you install that on your HK45c and take some pics and post it here? i believe they would be the only pics online of that setup and would be VERY helpful
Defaultmp3
02-18-13, 00:45
We both agreed that the grip circumference of the standard first generation grip, the one that they now have on the Compact which was the P2000 grip is what we wanted. We wanted guys with smaller hands to run this gun and for traction, let’s face it, they can fix that with skateboard tape.
Source: http://pistol-training.com/articles/hk45-interview-with-ken-hackathorn-and-larry-vickers
Grip tape works fine, IME. I use 3M Safety Walk.
azeriosu85
02-18-13, 00:50
Source: http://pistol-training.com/articles/hk45-interview-with-ken-hackathorn-and-larry-vickers
Grip tape works fine, IME. I use 3M Safety Walk.
any pics of a HK45c with skate tape or 3M tape on it? i would like to see some examples if you know of any, my google-fu came up weak on it
As much as I love the 45C there are two things about it I hate.
#1 is the one step too short rail to utilize and X 300 series light.
#2 The ridiculously smooth frame. Even under normal range conditions it's lacking in traction. Let alone in a situation where you've got blood, water, or sweat on your hands.
I was at least able to solve problem #2. I've yet to figure a solid solution to problem #1.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v162/goddamnit/Handguns/IMG_0290_zps468c2277.jpg?t=1361170084
Defaultmp3
02-18-13, 01:07
any pics of a HK45c with skate tape or 3M tape on it? i would like to see some examples if you know of any, my google-fu came up weak on it
http://i.imgur.com/MW20s8d.jpg
Source: http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/165970-printable-grip-tape-templates.html
http://i.imgur.com/VxzJdrK.jpg
Source: http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/154943-grip-tape-hogue-grip-hk45c.html
Honestly, how it looks is entirely up to you. I don't give a **** about how it looks on my gun (P30LS), so I just use rough shapes and rock on. If you want it to look all OEM and stuff, it can be done, it'll just take a whole lot more time to get it looking the way you want it, relatively speaking.
Coal Dragger
02-18-13, 01:31
Bar-Sto Precision machine will also do grip stippling and grip reduction work. Among other things. Like making super accurate match grade barrels, and building some pretty nice pistols.
Also interfan can you install that on your HK45c and take some pics and post it here? i believe they would be the only pics online of that setup and would be VERY helpful
If I was home, I could. That isn't happening for a few weeks, though.
If Brooks have A-Grip pre-cut for HK45C I would definitely give it a go. I used it in the past and it really helps. Big plus it that, unlike grip tape or aggressive stripling it does not create painful problems for CCW. Especially when carrying IWB/AIWB during summer.
ETA: Looks like Brooks still has one shape for all HKs - USP. I managed to fit USP one for P30, so probably it can be done with HK45C as well, with some trimming (USP grip is longer).
As much as I love the 45C there are two things about it I hate.
#1 is the one step too short rail to utilize and X 300 series light.
#2 The ridiculously smooth frame. Even under normal range conditions it's lacking in traction. Let alone in a situation where you've got blood, water, or sweat on your hands.
I was at least able to solve problem #2. I've yet to figure a solid solution to problem #1.
I had the same problems, my solution was to sell the HK, and buy a M&P .45 compact. I can texture the backstrap (which is larger than that of the HK) to provide a grippier control surface, and the light rail will handle a X300. I also have more sight options, and the same capacity. Magazines are cheaper, as are most all other parts.
My M&P has been just as reliable (for me) as the HK, that is to say 100%. I know the HK is a great pistol, I just did not feel like accepting the limitations I felt with the design. If they make one with the grip texture of the USP, and a full size rail, I will likely carry nothing else.
azeriosu85
02-18-13, 13:52
now taking a HARD look at the USPc 45's. I have held a USPc .40 and the frame is perfect for me, is the uspc .45acp the same frame wise?
Any interest in trading for a full size HK45? I have one that has maybe 500 rounds down range. I would like an HK45c as the full size is to big for me to carry.
azeriosu85
02-18-13, 17:11
Any interest in trading for a full size HK45? I have one that has maybe 500 rounds down range. I would like an HK45c as the full size is to big for me to carry.
I've decided im not going to give up on the HK45c until i've exhausted all options, thank you for the offer though
As much as I love the 45C there are two things about it I hate.
#1 is the one step too short rail to utilize and X 300 series light.
#2 The ridiculously smooth frame. Even under normal range conditions it's lacking in traction. Let alone in a situation where you've got blood, water, or sweat on your hands.
I was at least able to solve problem #2. I've yet to figure a solid solution to problem #1.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v162/goddamnit/Handguns/IMG_0290_zps468c2277.jpg?t=1361170084
For #1, there are four small pins holding the rounded spacer on the back of the X300. If you drive them inwards, you can remove the block and gain a lot of space. It might be enough.
What exactly is non bias advice? I and several others I've seen here post regularly on both forums and others..... If you give up on the 45c you'll have no issues selling it. I wouldn't take a soldering iron to an HK45, but it is your pistol. Did you shoot it before buying?
now taking a HARD look at the USPc 45's. I have held a USPc .40 and the frame is perfect for me, is the uspc .45acp the same frame wise?
Pretty close. I was looking at the HK 45C at one point, but after handling the and shooting the USP 45compact I was satisfied with it.
Frankly, comparing the two I prefer the USPc version because it has aggressive stipling on the grip, trigger pull feels better, no O-ring required for barrel, aftermarket sight options, and more holster options.
That said, I still plan on buying a 45C, but gee for about a thousand dollars it would be nice if HK put the stipling on it for me.
I would just send it off to David Bowie and have the stipling done. If you are not so inclined for whatever reason, then selling off the 45C and buying a USP compact should be very easy to do.
p.s. They both use the same magazine too.
azeriosu85
02-18-13, 22:47
What exactly is non bias advice? I and several others I've seen here post regularly on both forums and others..... If you give up on the 45c you'll have no issues selling it. I wouldn't take a soldering iron to an HK45, but it is your pistol. Did you shoot it before buying?
the bias was when this thread was focused on whether i should sell the HK45c for a G30s. That has changed and i edited to thread to focus on the problem now. which is grip. i appreciate both opinions from BOTH sites
the bias was when this thread was focused on whether i should sell the HK45c for a G30s.
I don't consider that bias, that's just plain good advice and it would appear you followed it! Well done.
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