View Full Version : So Will Joe Biden DEFINITELY Be Running In 2016...?
Seems to me you could run just about any complete jackass against him and win. Of course that was the GOP plan in 2008 and 2012 and it didn't quite work out that way.
But you can vote against Biden without having to prove you are not a racist. So will the selection of Biden by the Democrats to guard against upstaging a Presidential candidate with virtually no qualifications or true understanding of government bite them on the ass when the ride is over?
Will they be stuck with Biden? Has there ever been a case where a two term Vice President was not the candidate in the next election?
And will the Republican party finally get a candidate who has ideas about how to fix the mess that has been created in the previous 16 years and the willingness to put results ahead of popular opinion and handouts? Or will they simply nominate their own Biden and make it a true horse race?
Evil Colt 6920
03-03-13, 00:30
I almost hope he does run in 2016 on the grounds that he is a complete idiot and most people would hopefully know that by then. But then again, we the people might just be dumb enough to elect him. Double edged sword.
No way. IMHO, he is to old and has got way to much air going through that head to be the top dog, and he doesn't have BHO's "gift" to persuade, play and bamboozle people.
Rattlehead
03-03-13, 00:41
I almost hope he does run in 2016 on the grounds that he is a complete idiot and most people would hopefully know that by then.
He'd still win.
Seems to me you could run just about any complete jackass against him and win. Of course that was the GOP plan in 2008 and 2012 and it didn't quite work out that way.
But you can vote against Biden without having to prove you are not a racist. So will the selection of Biden by the Democrats to guard against upstaging a Presidential candidate with virtually no qualifications or true understanding of government bite them on the ass when the ride is over?
Will they be stuck with Biden? Has there ever been a case where a two term Vice President was not the candidate in the next election?
And will the Republican party finally get a candidate who has ideas about how to fix the mess that has been created in the previous 16 years and the willingness to put results ahead of popular opinion and handouts? Or will they simply nominate their own Biden and make it a true horse race?
Being the 2-term VP does not make Biden shoe in for the nomination. I bet that Hillary would smoke him if she decided to jump into the race.
Alaskapopo
03-03-13, 00:47
Being the 2-term VP does not make Biden shoe in for the nomination. I bet that Hillary would smoke him if she decided to jump into the race.
That is scary and true. She is someone I hope never becomes president.
Pat
Rattlehead
03-03-13, 00:51
She is someone I hope never becomes president.
Pat
This, pretty much, but we can all unfortunately forecast the left playing the "War on Women" BS nonstop, just like they play the race card with Obama now.
Being the 2-term VP does not make Biden shoe in for the nomination. I bet that Hillary would smoke him if she decided to jump into the race.
I have no doubt that she would also, but I believe and hope Hillary's time is past. Her health appears to be a little shaky since the bump on her head, and when she isn't all made up, see looks like an old stressed out bag lady who has been rode hard and but away wet. We don't need her elected just so she can claim be the first to break that glass ceiling.
Being the 2-term VP does not make Biden shoe in for the nomination. I bet that Hillary would smoke him if she decided to jump into the race.
Has that ever happened? Has a two term VP ever NOT gotten the nomination?
I hope that the American people elect another stupid ultra-liberal idiot. Then maybe, just maybe the people will wake up and decide it's time to take back the control of the government- the way it should be.
At this point I would almost prefer that we have term limits and completely ban any sort of special interests or lobbyists. We are falling apart day by day and people are still obsessed with American Idol or some such nonsense.
I realized recently that there are 4 types of citizens in this country:
A • Those that know history and constitution, and have a desire to join the political process.
B • Those that DON'T know history and the constitution, but still have a desire to join the political process.
C • Those that know history and the constitution, but DON'T desire to join the political process.
D • Those that neither have any knowledge of history or the constitution, don't care, and don't participate.
"D" is by far the biggest group. These are your stupid, distracted, simple-minded and pop-culture addicted. Professional party animals also fall into this category. 40-50% of the population, IMO.
"B" is the second largest group. Well-meaning, but totally wrong. Most progressives, statists, and socialist activists fall here, along with neocons and zealots. Plenty of interest, but unfortunately misled. 30-40%
"A" is becoming "C", as more citizens come to realize that there are very few good candidates for any office, and even if there were, the "B" types outnumber us anyway. I'd guesstimate that group "A" is roughly 10-15% of the population.
He may come out saying he is but once the Hillary machine fires up he'll cower under the porch.. that and could you see the dems NOT run the first female candidate in history? Such a wasted opportunity is unconscionable imo.
Who knows tho maybe we'll get Michelle instead. Or she may just wait in the wings until Hillary's reign is finished.
you forgot the group that thinks they know it and thinks it should be changed ! or those that hate the constitution and want to do away with parts they dont like and change parts they want to benefit themselves
montanadave
03-03-13, 05:42
Has that ever happened? Has a two term VP ever NOT gotten the nomination?
Interesting question. Difficult answer to come by easily.
The obvious one is Dick Cheney, but he did not actively seek the nomination.
Magic_Salad0892
03-03-13, 06:08
We shound nominate Condi Rice.
montanadave
03-03-13, 06:27
We shound nominate Condi Rice.
She may be bright. And she's a black woman. But she got totally owned by Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest of the neo-con horde.
She can't hold her ground in a room with testosterone-fueled big egos. And I think she's smart enough to know it. She's more suited to taking 3-pointers from the perimeter, not crashing the boards and throwing elbows.
Please excuse the b-ball metaphors. Just getting in the mood for March Madness. :smile:
Magic_Salad0892
03-03-13, 06:37
She may be bright. And she's a black woman. But she got totally owned by Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest of the neo-con horde.
She can't hold her ground in a room with testosterone-fueled big egos. And I think she's smart enough to know it. She's more suited to taking 3-pointers from the perimeter, not crashing the boards and throwing elbows.
Please excuse the b-ball metaphors. Just getting in the mood for March Madness. :smile:
If you don't vote for her you're a racist, and you hate women.
montanadave
03-03-13, 06:42
If you don't vote for her you're a racist, and you hate women.
I thought that was pretty much already decided.
Magic_Salad0892
03-03-13, 07:04
I thought that was pretty much already decided.
If the GOP had tried to nomate her over that ****ing statist Romney, we probably would've won.
If you don't vote for her you're a racist, and you hate women.
That only works for the liberals.
The first thing Hillary Clinton did after leaving the SecState position was put up a website.
http://HillaryClintonOffice.com
I would be pretty surprised if Hillary Clinton doesn't run for president. And if she does run, I'd be pretty surprised is she doesn't win. IOW, I'll be pretty surprised if she's not our next president.
gunrunner505
03-03-13, 07:31
Christ I hope not. That guy is a true wing nut. However, the voting public has shown how stupid they are twice in a row. And Illinois shows it every election so.....
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FlyingHunter
03-03-13, 11:19
The first thing Hillary Clinton did after leaving the SecState position was put up a website.
http://HillaryClintonOffice.com
I would be pretty surprised if Hillary Clinton doesn't run for president. And if she does run, I'd be pretty surprised is she doesn't win. IOW, I'll be pretty surprised if she's not our next president.
HMAC...after clicking on the link you provided in your comment AND seeing the giant Hillary photo...I believe I need urgent medical attention...that or just shove a sharp stick into both eyes...argh.
Back to the issue...I bet you are right. She'll run, She'll win. Along the lines of what IG said a few post back in this thread, this may be just what the country needs to wake up from their coma and assert themselves as citizens vs. subjects.
I would love to see Alan Keyes at least pursue some degree of consideration....though I don't see it happening. At all. I do see Libtardia embracing Joey B and his tough talk. Given how silent they are on his "buy a shotgun" commentary.
Of course, Hillary is a shoe in and since she falls under the liberal check list for both protected class and household name, its an automatic. The logical rebuttal would be to bring up her health in the same manner that Senator McCain was criticized.
All of this being said, I voted in my first election in 2000, that being the GOP Florida Primaries. I find myself increasingly questioning that actual process, its a bit scary. Most all of the posts in this thread are correct, any jackass can become president:mad:
I think in 2016 the Dems will throw anything and everything against the wall and simply run with what sticks.
Biden
Clinton
Cuomo
Etc.
They will also try to elect in opposition primary, Chris Christie, so that they will run against one of their own in the General. win - win.
Unless their appeal, momentum, and ideals can be slowed, halted and given the perception to the public as being invalid before 2016 ---AND--- the opposition can present a valid candidate ( which might quite possibly need to be Librarian oriented, which has proven to be poor odds).
Otherwise I believe the Dems will simply roll on like a freight train on a down hill run.
Talk about waking a sleeping giant. Hell we invited the giant and all it's relatives to dinner.
I don't think they'll let Joe run even if he wants to. Even they're smart enough to get him out of the White House asap so his idiotic statements won't affect them as much. Plus he's not in a demographic that's divisive enough. He's just an old white guy.
This, pretty much, but we can all unfortunately forecast the left playing the "War on Women" BS nonstop, just like they play the race card with Obama now.
War on women eh?
http://articles.marketwatch.com/2013-02-23/finance/37230097_1_spouses-health-coverage-health-insurance
If the GOP had tried to nomate her over that ****ing statist Romney, we probably would've won.
Ironically if she did run and win, she's be the FIRST black American President. And while Dave has a point about her not being the strongest candidate, she's heads and tails above Obama in terms of ability. They'd actually be able to come up with a reason to give her a Nobel Prize.
Back to the issue...I bet you are right. She'll run, She'll win. Along the lines of what IG said a few post back in this thread, this may be just what the country needs to wake up from their coma and assert themselves as citizens vs. subjects.
Maybe. However, her husband remains one of the most popular politicians we've had in the last few decades.
gunrunner505
03-03-13, 15:12
Do we think this country will survive another dem president? This last one has done more damage in 4 years than anyone before...
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...This last one has done more damage in 4 years than anyone before...
Of course, only about half the country feels that way.
PA PATRIOT
03-03-13, 18:29
Biden and Hillary for the easy win, this team will easily get the minority, woman and liberal vote and the rest of the dumb asses that voted for Obama.
Magic_Salad0892
03-03-13, 18:36
That only works for the liberals.
Then we'll find a gay athiest who's pro constitution. Run dear old Condi Rice as his vice president.
I'd vote for that mother****er in a second.
montanadave
03-03-13, 18:52
Then we'll find a gay athiest who's pro constitution. Run dear old Condi Rice as his vice president.
I'd vote for that mother****er in a second.
Is that just an expression of speech or are you trying to garner the incest vote also? :D
I understand the whole "big tent" concept of voting demographics, but you may have gone a bridge too far.
Magic_Salad0892
03-03-13, 18:54
Is that just an expression of speech or are you trying to garner the incest vote also? :D
I understand the whole "big tent" concept of voting demographics, but you may have gone a bridge too far.
Might even be able to get some basement dwelling weirdos to vote for him. :p
When you say I went a bridge too far, are you talking about voting for a mother****er? Or a gay athiest? If he's good at his job as president, then I have not a care at all about if he humps men, and doesn't believe in God. Just don't suck at being American, and show the world why we're awesome.
I have a bad feeling the Klintons will be back in the White House after the obamas are done.
I realized recently that there are 4 types of citizens in this country:
A • Those that know history and constitution, and have a desire to join the political process.
B • Those that DON'T know history and the constitution, but still have a desire to join the political process.
C • Those that know history and the constitution, but DON'T desire to join the political process.
D • Those that neither have any knowledge of history or the constitution, don't care, and don't participate.
"D" is by far the biggest group. These are your stupid, distracted, simple-minded and pop-culture addicted. Professional party animals also fall into this category. 40-50% of the population, IMO.
"B" is the second largest group. Well-meaning, but totally wrong. Most progressives, statists, and socialist activists fall here, along with neocons and zealots. Plenty of interest, but unfortunately misled. 30-40%
"A" is becoming "C", as more citizens come to realize that there are very few good candidates for any office, and even if there were, the "B" types outnumber us anyway. I'd guesstimate that group "A" is roughly 10-15% of the population.
Reminds me of this scene:
http://youtu.be/HzH8VXlXxNE
I hope that the American people elect another stupid ultra-liberal idiot. Then maybe, just maybe the people will wake up and decide it's time to take back the control of the government- the way it should be.
Felt the same way (and almost got punched out by a friend) when I made a similar comment re Billy Bob Clinton.
At this point I would almost prefer that we have term limits and completely ban any sort of special interests or lobbyists. We are falling apart day by day and people are still obsessed with American Idol or some such nonsense.
Regarding American Idol, I thought that was how we elected our President. ;)
Too bad we can't make D.C. become it's own country, let anyone who want's to govern move there, govern themselves into oblivion and leave the rest of us the F alone.
Then we'll find a gay athiest who's pro constitution. Run dear old Condi Rice as his vice president.
I'd vote for that mother****er in a second.
Larry Craig for President?
:jester:
Reminds me of this scene:
http://youtu.be/HzH8VXlXxNE
Send him to....Detroit.
The first thing Hillary Clinton did after leaving the SecState position was put up a website.
http://HillaryClintonOffice.com
I would be pretty surprised if Hillary Clinton doesn't run for president. And if she does run, I'd be pretty surprised is she doesn't win. IOW, I'll be pretty surprised if she's not our next president.
Benghazi will rear its ugly head again if she runs for POTUS
How much of an impact it has...who knows. It might just keep her out of the running. Or the low information voter may just gloss over that 'little' incident.
If she does run it WILL be brought up. The least that'll be done is maybe bring more light to what those 2 CIA (former SEALs) officers did that day. They deserve more honor.
Sorry to thread drift but when I hear the word Hilary the first thing that pops in my head is the horrific oversight we as a nation have viewed the Benghazi incident.
-Jax
Benghazi will rear its ugly head again if she runs for POTUS
Absolutely. But it will bounce right off.
The media makes a mockery of what happened in Benghazi. Most people could not care less about how we left those people to die when we could have done something about it.
As long as she appeals to women and minorities she will win. People who support her husband to this day claim the only thing he did wrong was get a BJ in the White House.
(ahem) . . . . . . President Eric Himpton Holder Jr.
Low info voters+more than 50% of population on welfare= Dems in the white house for a long time. I dont have much hope of ANY GOP candidate being in the WH in the next election. Unless of course that person is an ultra lib republican or the country comes to its senses. The latter is more likely. Hillary?? She would win, hands down.
Magic_Salad0892
03-04-13, 06:32
Larry Craig for President?
:jester:
I'd vote for him a million times over before I voted for any liberal. Lol.
gunrunner505
03-04-13, 08:59
What if the GOP took a page out of the lib playbook and said whatever they had to say, did whatever they had to do and told whatever lie they had to tell to get the office. And then once there, do nothing of what you said. Hell, worked for Barry, twice....
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Magic_Salad0892
03-04-13, 09:57
What if the GOP took a page out of the lib playbook and said whatever they had to say, did whatever they had to do and told whatever lie they had to tell to get the office. And then once there, do nothing of what you said. Hell, worked for Barry, twice....
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This is EXACTLY what I've been saying we should do.
montanadave
03-04-13, 10:10
What if the GOP took a page out of the lib playbook and said whatever they had to say, did whatever they had to do and told whatever lie they had to tell to get the office. And then once there, do nothing of what you said. Hell, worked for Barry, twice....
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Shit, where you been? Both parties have been using the same playbook for a generation.
I'm wondering what BHO will do after 2016. I hear there may soon be an opening in Venezuela that might just be the perfect job for him.
gunrunner505
03-04-13, 11:31
Shit, where you been? Both parties have been using the same playbook for a generation.
The dems do it better. And I still have a small hope for a modicum of integrity from the GOP. I know it's crazy but i do.
We need some good old conservative American values in government as it is all clearly broken.
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brickboy240
03-04-13, 11:36
Sadly...we are probably looking at Hillary as the next president..not Biden.
Why?
Well, the GOP is rumbling about Christie or Jeb Bush...both losers like McCain and Romney. Then, Karl Rove and the other establishment GOP'ers are organizing to defeat any Tea Party candidate that comes along. That means they will work hand in hand with the media to destroy any decent candidate we see hit the scene in 2016.
Sad times are ahead....sorry...but this is how it looks for now.
Keep socking away the beans, band-aids and bullets...
-brickboy240
Sadly...we are probably looking at Hillary as the next president..not Biden.
Why?
Well, the GOP is rumbling about Christie or Jeb Bush...both losers like McCain and Romney. Then, Karl Rove and the other establishment GOP'ers are organizing to defeat any Tea Party candidate that comes along. That means they will work hand in hand with the media to destroy any decent candidate we see hit the scene in 2016.
Sad times are ahead....sorry...but this is how it looks for now.
Keep socking away the beans, band-aids and bullets...
-brickboy240
Nail meet hammer.
Even the GOP establishment are pissing themselves over Christie's fat pocket statist ass. It makes me ****ing sick.
brickboy240
03-04-13, 11:45
The mainstream media is also playing up a Jeb Bush run. The bastard has been on the Today Show and many other lefty talk shows...going on about 2016.
The media is salivating at a Jeb Bush or Christ Christie run. This will be easier to defeat than McCain or Romney....MUCH easier. They will also have Karl Rove, Bill Kristol and the other GOP inside establishment types in there shooting down the Tea Party types that might crop up to challenge them. The GOP circular firing squad will be in full swing by 2016.
Throw in the fact that we will have all the recently new illegals made citizens in there voting and a true conservative or Libertarian type candidate does not have a snow ball's chance in hell at 2016. Not even close.
I'd like to paint a rosier picture...but sorry...I have to look at what is real and happening and not what I would like to happen.
Dark days are ahead for the 2016 election....count on it.
-brickboy240
So...the CPAC gets Rand Paul, Rubio, and Palin to garner the Tea Party votes, downplays the Libertarian movement, and takes money from the GOP/Karl Rove machine and plan on endorsing guys like Jeb and Christie? Is that about right?
"Misery loves company!" is the theme for 2016.
The mainstream media is also playing up a Jeb Bush run. The bastard has been on the Today Show and many other lefty talk shows...going on about 2016.
Jeb Bush would actually be viable if his brother was never President. He kind of poisoned the well.
He was the person who prevented Broward County from having an Assault Weapons ban when a Debbie Wasserman Schultz bill was passed. His exact words were something to the effect of "stop bringing me this stupid shit."
Jeb Bush would actually be viable if his brother was never President. He kind of poisoned the well.
He was the person who prevented Broward County from having an Assault Weapons ban when a Debbie Wasserman Schultz bill was passed. His exact words were something to the effect of "stop bringing me this stupid shit."
That's cool but is Jeb at least consistent? I'm honestly asking. That wouldn't be a moot point if like you say Bush II hadn't poisoned the well. Actually Bush I did that but Clinton gave people long enough to forget I suppose.
Tough talk is one thing...I can respect Chrisitie's tough talk when it comes to unions and teachers but on the other hand he's made deals with the devil so to speak.
brickboy240
03-04-13, 13:24
Those that pull the strings at the RNC are not true conservatives. They also look down on the whole Tea Party/Libertarian movement. They were not above using these people as their own "useful idiots" in the 2010 mid term elections but kicked them to the curb in 2012.
Those that run the RNC are perfectly happy being a minority party. They do not really want to lead, change or reform a damn thing.
They often let their views on abortion or homos do them in and big media knows just how to coax these crazy views out of those folks and use it against them come election time.
The biggies at RNC HQ are mostly cowards and they seem to be very comfortable with the circular firing squad they have set up for themselves.
People like Hillary and Obama SHOULD be easy to beat...but these clowns cannot seem to get their shit together to defeat them.
They have also made it nearly impossible for a viable third party to emerge for they know that if the Tea Party/Libertarian movement got organized....they along with the DNC would have their heads handed to them.
So where are we to go in 2016? There MIGHT be some savior but he has yet to show his face.
Scary times are ahead, politically....
That's cool but is Jeb at least consistent? I'm honestly asking. That wouldn't be a moot point if like you say Bush II hadn't poisoned the well. Actually Bush I did that but Clinton gave people long enough to forget I suppose.
Tough talk is one thing...I can respect Chrisitie's tough talk when it comes to unions and teachers but on the other hand he's made deals with the devil so to speak.
Of all the Bush brothers, Jeb would likely have made the best President. I guess at least Neil was never President, he'd have been the worst. Probably even worse than his Dad.
Christie is the next elections Giuliani, conservative only in his zip code and by the standards of his ultra liberal constituency. Just as we wanted nothing to do with Romney because he supported his states AW ban, we don't want a Governor from a BAN state.
montanadave
03-04-13, 14:19
I think it's way too early to start speculating about the GOP in 2016, but I wouldn't be surprised to see either John Thune or Jon Huntsman garnering some serious consideration.
Either could beat Biden. Hillary, however, is gonna be a real challenge, regardless of who the GOP serves up. The biggest concern if Hillary steps into the race is a lot of the quality GOP candidates may just take a pass, electing to take their shot when the climb ain't so steep, leaving the GOP with a repeat of 2012 (i.e. a primary packed to the gills with second-rate candidates that morphs into a freak show/circular firing squad).
I think it's way too early to start speculating about the GOP in 2016, but I wouldn't be surprised to see either John Thune or Jon Huntsman garnering some serious consideration.
Either could beat Biden. Hillary, however, is gonna be a real challenge, regardless of who the GOP serves up. The biggest concern if Hillary steps into the race is a lot of the quality GOP candidates may just take a pass, electing to take their shot when the climb ain't so steep, leaving the GOP with a repeat of 2012 (i.e. a primary packed to the gills with second-rate candidates that morphs into a freak show/circular firing squad).
I really dont have a problem with X number of primary candidates, I think its actually kinda cool. Hypothetically, it can allow for a wide spectrum of ideas, etc...But, I think that having so many "debates" that the GOP saw in 2012, just became a joke, you're right, it was a circular firing squad. It almost seemed as though that CNN wanted to push the idea of seemingly endless debates!
Being the 2-term VP does not make Biden shoe in for the nomination. I bet that Hillary would smoke him if she decided to jump into the race.
Yep, which is why I am betting on another Pres Clinton.
Those that pull the strings at the RNC are not true conservatives. They also look down on the whole Tea Party/Libertarian movement. They were not above using these people as their own "useful idiots" in the 2010 mid term elections but kicked them to the curb in 2012.
Those that run the RNC are perfectly happy being a minority party. They do not really want to lead, change or reform a damn thing.
They often let their views on abortion or homos do them in and big media knows just how to coax these crazy views out of those folks and use it against them come election time.
The biggies at RNC HQ are mostly cowards and they seem to be very comfortable with the circular firing squad they have set up for themselves.
People like Hillary and Obama SHOULD be easy to beat...but these clowns cannot seem to get their shit together to defeat them.
They have also made it nearly impossible for a viable third party to emerge for they know that if the Tea Party/Libertarian movement got organized....they along with the DNC would have their heads handed to them.
So where are we to go in 2016? There MIGHT be some savior but he has yet to show his face.
Scary times are ahead, politically....
^^^ THAT!^^^
gunrunner505
03-05-13, 09:39
This country is being led straight to hell, the libs are doing it, and nobody it seems gives a crap. What is wrong with these people that they constantly vote for the same people who currently have us bent over a trash can screwing us? Frustrating.
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brickboy240
03-05-13, 14:17
The biggies at the RNC are either total cowards or in on it.
These lefties that appear to be running the show now days are actually a pretty easy bunch to take down...but nobody wants to do it.
I mean...people like Biden and Obama should NEVER make it past, say, a city council position in a large liberal city.
The RNC has thrown the race twice so far and will probably do it again in 2016.
-brickboy240
gunrunner505
03-05-13, 14:24
I wouldn't vote those clowns dog catcher. Seriously, talk about human dandelions...
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Jeb Bush would actually be viable if his brother was never President. He kind of poisoned the well.
+1. I do know some Floridians that hated W but could still go for Jeb, but I don't know that he could make that kind of headway nation-wide.
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