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30 cal slut
03-09-13, 18:35
Man.
This is getting weirder by the minute.
I feel like Rod Serling is going to chime in any second now.
http://www.theday.com/article/20130309/NWS12/303099971/1018
Article published Mar 9, 2013
Panel to call for changes in state gun laws
By Johanna Somers Day Staff Writer
Hartford - The Sandy Hook Advisory Commission is planning, among other things, to recommend prohibiting the sale or possession of any firearm capable of firing more than 10 rounds of ammunition without reloading, commission chairman and Hamden Mayor Scott Jackson said on Friday.
The purpose is to define an assault-style weapon by how it works rather than how it looks, said Bernard Sullivan, commission member and former Hartford chief of police. The recommendation and other proposals will be passed on to Gov. Dannel P. Malloy on March 15.
But the recommendation was met with some resistance.
"I think it will go too far," said Barbara O'Conner, commission member and chief of police at the University of Connecticut. She said it would make too many guns that people currently possess illegal. [no shit, sherlock]
"The question in my mind is, are we really serious in our society about dealing with the amount of firepower on our streets?" Sullivan said.
The commission agreed on gun control and school safety recommendations on Friday. But Jackson said more work is needed to flesh out the proposals. The commission has yet to fully discuss recommendations for mental health services, he said.
The commission also plans to recommend "mandatory background checks on the sale or transfer of any weapon, including long guns and private sales," according the commission's document listing items for consideration.
Even someone who gave a firearm as a gift to a family member would have to go through a background check, Sullivan said.
One way to enforce a background check during a private sale would be to have the sale processed with a gun dealer who has a federal firearms license, said Wayne Sandford, commission member and former deputy commissioner of the state's Division of Emergency Management and Homeland Security (DEMHS).
The commission also wants "mandatory registration, including a certificate of registration, for any weapon, to be issued subsequent to the completion of a background check," according to its document.
Commission members said they planned to exempt law enforcement and military personnel from many of their recommendations.
Emergency response plans
The commission will propose that school districts be required to develop emergency response plans.
Commission member and Norwalk Fire Chief Denis McCarthy said that in Norwalk, a 25-person team is in the process of updating its school district's plan. The group meets about once every two weeks, and participants include representatives from the elementary, middle and high schools as well as police department representatives, firefighters and public health officials.
Currently, universities have to send their emergency response plans to DEMHS, but the commission wants to require the same of preschools and K-12 schools. It also wants DEMHS to be required to approve the plans, Jackson said.
DEMHS Deputy Commissioner William Shea said Friday that state agencies worked well together in response to the Dec. 14 Newtown shooting. As soon as DEMHS heard of the shooting, its regional officer in Waterbury was sent down there, he said.
McCarthy said he thought DEMHS and the state's immediate response to Newtown set the bar, but that Connecticut needs to make sure every community has the same level of preparedness.
j.somers@theday.com
Man.
This is getting weirder by the minute.
I feel like Rod Serling is going to chime in any second now.
http://www.theday.com/article/201303...303099971/1018
Article published Mar 9, 2013
Panel to call for changes in state gun laws
By Johanna Somers Day Staff Writer
Hartford - The Sandy Hook Advisory Commission is planning, among other things, to recommend prohibiting the sale or possession of any firearm capable of firing more than 10 rounds of ammunition without reloading, commission chairman and Hamden Mayor Scott Jackson said on Friday.
The purpose is to define an assault-style weapon by how it works rather than how it looks, said Bernard Sullivan, commission member and former Hartford chief of police. The recommendation and other proposals will be passed on to Gov. Dannel P. Malloy on March 15.
The definition has already been defined a long time ago.
Definition
The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally "storm rifle", "storm" as in "military attack"). The name was coined by Adolf Hitler[3] as a new name for the Maschinenpistole 43,[nb 1] subsequently known as the Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first assault rifle that served to popularize the concept and form the basis for today's modern assault rifles.
The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[4][5][6]
It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
**** It must be capable of selective fire ****
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.
And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)
Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles despite frequently being considered as such. For example, semi-automatic-only rifles like the AR-15 (on which the M16 rifle is based) that share parts or design characteristics with assault rifles are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus are not selective-fire capable. Belt-fed weapons or rifles with fixed magazines are likewise not assault rifles because they do not have detachable box magazines.
**** The term "assault rifle" is often more loosely used for commercial or POLITICAL reasons **** to include other types of arms, particularly arms that fall under a strict definition of the battle rifle, or semi-automatic variant of military rifles such as AR-15s.
The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges."[7]
Assault rifles vs. Assault weapons
In the United States "assault weapons" are usually defined in legislation as semi-automatic firearms that have certain features generally associated with military firearms, including assault rifles. Some definitions in "assault weapon" legislation under consideration (in 2013) are much broader to the point of including the majority of firearms, e.g. to include all semi-automatic firearms or all firearms with detachable magazines. *** The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified the definition of an assault weapon. It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:***
a folding or telescoping stock
a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
a bayonet mount
a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
a grenade launcher
The assault weapons ban did not further restrict weapons capable of fully automatic fire, such as assault rifles and machine guns, which have been continuously and heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed. Subsequent laws such as the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 also affected the importation and civilian ownership of fully automatic firearms, the latter fully prohibiting sales of newly manufactured machine guns to non-law enforcement or SOT (special occupational taxpayer) dealers.[8]
In more casual usage, the term "assault weapon" is sometimes conflated with the term assault rifle. The use of the term "assault weapon" is also highly controversial, as critics assert that **** the term is a media invention,[9] or a term that is intended to cause confusion among the public by intentionally misleading the public to believe that assault weapons (as defined in legislation) are full automatic firearms when they are not.[10] *****
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-09-13, 19:12
Hartford - The Sandy Hook Advisory Commission is planning, among other things, to recommend prohibiting the sale or possession of any firearm capable of firing more than 10 rounds of ammunition without reloading, commission chairman and Hamden Mayor Scott Jackson said on Friday.
The purpose is to define an assault-style weapon by how it works rather than how it looks, said Bernard Sullivan, commission member and former Hartford chief of police. The recommendation and other proposals will be passed on to Gov. Dannel P. Malloy on March 15.
But the recommendation was met with some resistance.
"I think it will go too far," said Barbara O'Conner, commission member and chief of police at the University of Connecticut. She said it would make too many guns that people currently possess illegal.
Sooo, these things are all over the place but are used very infrequently in crimes, but we'll take them away from everyone.
Sounds like a chief who knows that it will get ugly if she has to go around and disarm people...
Any commission report that doesn't primarily focus on hardening school facilities against intruders gaining initial and secondary unauthorized access, is a complete goat rope. After 9/11, many things were done that changed commercial aviation. We restricted access to tools and "weapons" in the aircraft cabins, strengthened screening protocols and equipment, upgraded facilities/access systems/surveillance, intensified intelligence gathering, added more Federal Air Marshals and even armed pilots with the Federal Flight Deck Officer program.
However, the single most important and effective measure was hardened cockpit doors. It more than any other measure has prevented another 9/11 debacle.
You can wail about "evil" guns all you want, but if you're not first and foremost going to spend your blood soaked political capital on hardening the target, you're begging for more dead kids.
Commission members said they planned to exempt law enforcement and military personnel from many of their recommendations.
Yes, because law enforcement (like ex-cop Dornier) and military personnel (like Maj. Hasan) never commit atrocities with guns. Hmm...I wonder why no one ever calls gun control "security theater"? :rolleyes:
Magic_Salad0892
03-09-13, 23:45
Congress has already ruled firearms registration as unconstitutional.
Moose-Knuckle
03-10-13, 03:57
Congress has already ruled firearms registration as unconstitutional.
I guess the BATFE didn't get that memorandum. 4473 paper trail defacto registration is fact. We have a member here who had an agent knock on his front door and had copies of every firearm purchase he ever made via the 4473s the FFLs had on file.
The new theory from the left is that during a mass shooting when the bad guy reloads (with his mandatory 10 round magazine) you will have a chance to jump him.
I'm not joking. This "logic" was put forth in CO from numerous persons including active duty Police Chiefs and former ATF agents who support magazine restrictions.
Mike
Man.
This is getting weirder by the minute.
I feel like Rod Serling is going to chime in any second now.
"The Sandy Hook Advisory Commission" made up of people who don't know a damn thing about guns and have an agenda. Generally not a good combination. Fail.
How many mentions of taking the mentally ill off the streets was made here?
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-10-13, 13:51
It' like the old myth about Germans waiting for the 8 round clip of a Garand popping and 'klinking' and then rushing a GI .
Worked so well with stopping the Columbine shooters who used 10 rounders.
Sorry, trying to be rational here, what was I thinking.....
Magic_Salad0892
03-11-13, 03:29
I guess the BATFE didn't get that memorandum. 4473 paper trail defacto registration is fact. We have a member here who had an agent knock on his front door and had copies of every firearm purchase he ever made via the 4473s the FFLs had on file.
I know de facto registrations were a real thing. But not legit databases. (And I'm aware of Belmont's story. I have no doubt that it's true.)
"The Sandy Hook Advisory Commission" made up of people who don't know a damn thing about guns and have an agenda. Generally not a good combination. Fail.
You should hear the questions coming from the idiot legislators in Maryland to some of the people who spoke out against their new anti-gun bills. It was the usual "so these 20-clip or 30-clip magazines" "these high clip... clips" and "this gun that killed 20 children" nonsense.
How about legislation that prohibits formation of idiotic government commissions formed of people that have no reason for breathing, let alone making recommendations about the way we live?
Idiocracy is here.
http://politicker.com/2013/03/after-aurora-how-mayor-bloomberg-planned-to-make-the-next-massacre-count/
After Aurora: How Mayor Bloomberg Planned to Make the Next Massacre Count
When the smoke cleared at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., in the wee hours of a Friday morning last July, 12 people were dead, 58 were injured and Mayor Michael Bloomberg was in New York, readying an assault of his own.
The campaign that Mr. Bloomberg and his “gun team” came up with in the hours and days after Aurora involved carpet-bombing Washington with millions from the mayor’s immense fortune and a media blitz that would be deployed following the next massacre. [more]
How about legislation that prohibits formation of idiotic government commissions formed of people that have no reason for breathing, let alone making recommendations about the way we live?
Idiocracy is here.
Can you form a commission on any other topic where the people on the commission have no legit qualifications to be on it? This seems quite unique to guns. :rolleyes:
I know de facto registrations were a real thing. But not legit databases. (And I'm aware of Belmont's story. I have no doubt that it's true.)
Here in PA the Penn. State Police has a unit that conducts the checks, not NICS. They require the original copy of the state form (completed for all handgun sales) to be sent to the State within 14 days of the sale.
The law apparently states that this form is to be destroyed within 7 days of their receipt of it... which they've publicly stated, is plenty of time for them to copy the form into micro-film, before they destroy the original.
I'm not sure how other states work with respect to long guns and such, buy 4473's are kept on site, and no-one see's them unless someone in some law enforcement capacity comes asking for them.
Bottom line is theses guys are figuring out ways to keep whatever kind of "registry" they can.
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