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I don't know if this is appropriate place but mods can move to general if not (I don't have enough posts to put this there) but for folks who are following this. Underlining from me.
From Politico:
"The Senate Judiciary Committee has approved a controversial ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips, but the measure faces nearly certain defeat on the Senate floor.
The proposal, authored by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), bans 157 different models of assault weapons, as well as magazines containing more than 10 bullets.
The vote was 10 to 8, with all Democrats supporting and all Republicans opposed."
Lets all hope that this dies a quick death. I can't believe how many Americans don't care about our bill of rights; very disturbing.
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gunrunner505
03-14-13, 10:21
Time to light up you federal senators and reps. Get on them now and don't let up until this is dumped.
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Heavy Metal
03-14-13, 10:25
This will force some Dems into an uncomfortable vote choice. We will find out who our friends and enemies are.
gunrunner505
03-14-13, 10:33
Are there any wordsmiths with an awesomely crafted letter they can offer up for the masses?
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Are there any wordsmiths with an awesomely crafted letter they can offer up for the masses?
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This is more effective.
http://ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html
DreadPirateMoyer
03-14-13, 10:56
Not necessarily. Form letters like the one offered by Ruger are not counted by some congressional offices.
See the link in my signature for more personable letters that won't look like form letters and other advice for contacting your reps.
This is more effective.
http://ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html
Done!
Not necessarily. Form letters like the one offered by Ruger are not counted by some congressional offices.
See the link in my signature for more personable letters that won't look like form letters and other advice for contacting your reps.
Agreed. I say do both!
This is more effective.
http://ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html
No.
Form letters are about as ineffective as anything. The only thing they beat...maybe...is no action at all.
Can't you just write a brief letter yourself? Is your personal Liberty and Freedom really worth so little to you that you aren't willing to type a paragraph out yourself? I see so much of this mentality it makes me think we are all royally ****ed.
Not necessarily. Form letters like the one offered by Ruger are not counted by some congressional offices.
See the link in my signature for more personable letters that won't look like form letters and other advice for contacting your reps.
Agreed.
While this is true for some members of Congress, shear numbers of a form letter does have an impact. So it's better to send a form letter than nothing at all.
However, a good approach is to take a good form letter as a template and then make it your own.
What is important to include in any letter (assuming it is true) is to inform them that this is a top tier voting issue for you and a vote in favor of the AWB would ensure that they would not get your support or vote.
ICANHITHIMMAN
03-14-13, 11:14
CRAP! Call me stupid but I did not know this about form letters!
Just be polite, respectful, and succinct. You have an opinion and rationale, so speak it.
Both my senators have been contacted. Most have online submission forms that make it pretty easy.
The "new" Matt is unable to respond accordingly when searching for a response that includes my thoughts on that woman.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/14/assault-weapons-ban-senate_n_2875855.html
Thursday's debate included a fiery clash between Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., the ban's author, and outspoken freshman conservative Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas. Cruz said Feinstein's bill would create exceptions to the Second Amendment and asked her if she would favor exemptions to the First Amendment's freedom of speech by denying that right to certain books.
"I'm not a sixth-grader," said a visibly upset Feinstein. She described her decades in Congress involved in gun control debates and said, "I'm reasonably well-educated, and thank you for the lecture."
Several Republicans including Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, who proposed the GOP amendments that were defeated, argued that the most effective approach to curbing gun violence would be to improve how mental health records are sent to the federal system that checks backgrounds of potential gun buyers.
All the letter does, form or personal, is register your opinion with the representatives assistant that fields the particular issue. They actually prefer it if your message is short and easy to understand. They don't read every word of the letter, they just want to know who you are, why you're contacting them, and whether you're in favor of or oppose. If anyone has information to the contrary, I'd love to see it.
All the letter does, form or personal, is register your opinion with the representatives assistant that fields the particular issue. They actually prefer it if your message is short and easy to understand. They don't read every word of the letter, they just want to know who you are, why you're contacting them, and whether you're in favor of or oppose. If anyone has information to the contrary, I'd love to see it.
Of course it should be relatively short, easy to understand, and concise.
But a form generated letter that takes the person 5 seconds, vs an actual typed letter, vs a hand written snail mailed letter, vs phone calls or in person appearances...different levels.
Not necessarily. Form letters like the one offered by Ruger are not counted by some congressional offices.
See the link in my signature for more personable letters that won't look like form letters and other advice for contacting your reps.
Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but the above is absolutely true.
I had a lengthy discussion with an aide to a state senator who admitted to me that, "When we see an influx of templates/form emails start to rush in, we just create a filter and send them all there... I don't know anyone who reads them. We mark the folder whether it's 'for' or 'against' and they die on the vine after we see how many unread emails are in each folder."
Folks, we need to be REACHING OUT to these elected officials. Many do not look at robo-emails as contact. Is it better than nothing? Sure... but we can do better.
DreadPirateMoyer
03-14-13, 12:01
All the letter does, form or personal, is register your opinion with the representatives assistant that fields the particular issue. They actually prefer it if your message is short and easy to understand. They don't read every word of the letter, they just want to know who you are, why you're contacting them, and whether you're in favor of or oppose. If anyone has information to the contrary, I'd love to see it.
I have information to the contrary. I worked for a Senator for 2 years. Form letters were often thrown out without even reading them. Email filters were set up to immediately trash form letters and envelopes obviously containing form letters were put in the recycling bin. Justification was provided by saying that form letters don't actually show someone's passion for an issue and likeliness to vote, but rather were a show of nothing more than organizational strength. I don't agree, but that's the consensus in many offices.
And yes, they keep a for/against tally, but notes are also included based upon the correspondence. Writing your own letter ensures you get counted and sometimes your points DO make it to your rep based upon the notes recorded from your letter.
If you have the time to write your own, do it.
Are there any wordsmiths with an awesomely crafted letter they can offer up for the masses?
This is not awesomely crafted, but I just sent the following. All are welcome to plagiarize and improve:
Senator Risch,
Thank you for your past support of gun rights. With the recent vote by the Senate Judiciary Committee in favor of new gun control measures, I would like to remind you of my expectations for your continued support:
-- Vote NO to any new gun control/gun ban legislation.
-- "Universal Background Checks" are not acceptable. The risk of these leading to a Government-controlled gun registry is too great.
-- I will accept the general position of "strengthening mental health checks" but ONLY on the condition that reporting is adjudicated before a person is denied their rights. Physician reporting without due process is unacceptable.
-- Remember that "gun rights" and "sportsmen's rights" are separate issues. Combining these things is the gun banners' attempt to compromise through misdirection and I expect you to keep the discussion points distinct.
Unfortunately, recent threats to our 2A rights have made me a single-issue voter. I find that the path to tyranny that gun control creates... however farfetched that sounds... makes all other problems we face secondary to the protection of our liberties. Please help your colleagues understand that smart, observant, and vocal voters like myself are patiently watching the gun conversations in Congress and will be prepared to send home those willing to sell our freedoms.
Thank you for your efforts.
Regards,
XXXXXXXXXXXX
You have been a member for over 3 years and didn't know where to post this. On top of that no one reading and posting here bothered to report it. Really?
ICANHITHIMMAN
03-14-13, 14:10
You have been a member for over 3 years and didn't know where to post this. On top of that no one reading and posting here bothered to report it. Really?
I never even look guns, sorry.
jonconsiglio
03-14-13, 16:18
A simple question on my end.... Why does this not have to go through the house first? I'm not a complete idiot when it comes to politics, but it's certainly not my strong suit!
A simple question on my end.... Why does this not have to go through the house first? I'm not a complete idiot when it comes to politics, but it's certainly not my strong suit!
Because legislation doesn't HAVE to start in the House. It can start in the Senate.
It still has to get passed in the house, of course.
jonconsiglio
03-14-13, 16:26
Because legislation doesn't HAVE to start in the House. It can start in the Senate.
It still has to get passed in the house, of course.
Ok. So what is happening next at the senate then? Now, whatever happens at the senate, it'll then need to pass the house. Then the senate again?
I know this elementary, but this senate first thing has me confused.
Ok. So what is happening next at the senate then? Now, whatever happens at the senate, it'll then need to pass the house. Then the senate again?
I know this elementary, but this senate first thing has me confused.
The entire Senate can debate/vote on it now. If it passes the Senate, it goes to the House. If it passes the House, it goes to the POTUS' desk.
It only goes back to the Senate if the House changes something and then passes the amended version.
jonconsiglio
03-14-13, 16:45
The entire Senate can debate/vote on it now. If it passes the Senate, it goes to the House. If it passes the House, it goes to the POTUS' desk.
It only goes back to the Senate if the House changes something and then passes the amended version.
That's crazy that I didn't know that. I thought it always went to the house first, then the senate. Thanks for the clarification.
That's crazy that I didn't know that. I thought it always went to the house first, then the senate. Thanks for the clarification.
No worries, I thought the same thing back in third grade :D
Jk Jk :p
I just think of it like this:
There are Senate Bills (SB) and House Bills (HB). Any time you want to know where it originated, just look for the SB or HB in front of the bill number.
Committee > House/Senate > House/Senate > Potus
And like Warp said, the only time it comes back to the original "author" is when there has been an amendment and now needs to voted on again.
jonconsiglio
03-14-13, 17:23
No worries, I thought the same thing back in third grade :D
Jk Jk :p
If I'm not mistaken, it won't be long before you are alone with me on a very large ranch! I'll start digging this weekend!
For some reason, I just always thought it had to go through the house first.i cannot believe I've been wrong all this time!!
DreadPirateMoyer
03-14-13, 17:27
The reason everyone gets confused is because spending/budget bills have to start in the House. Everything else can start in either wing of the legislature.
If I'm not mistaken, it won't be long before you are alone with me on a very large ranch! I'll start digging this weekend!
For some reason, I just always thought it had to go through the house first.i cannot believe I've been wrong all this time!!
Haha touché. I'll just have to be really nice to you from here on out :D
There are Senate Bills (SB) and House Bills (HB). Any time you want to know where it originated, just look for the SB or HB in front of the bill number.
Actually, Senate bills are labeled S-xxx and House bills are HR-xxx
Not being a dick, but if we're educating here..........
:)
Of course it's entirely possible I've been wrong a long time too.
Actually, Senate bills are labeled S-xxx and House bills are HR-xxx
Not being a dick, but if we're educating here..........
:)
People get that one wrong a lot because states don't do things exactly the same, and some states might call it HB or SB
Kudos to Cruz for bringing to light the fundamental flaw of the big government progressives who think that they can pass any legislation they want with complete disregard for its constitutionality and are content with just leaving that little issue up to the courts to decide.
Submariner
03-14-13, 21:29
Kudos to Cruz for bringing to light the fundamental flaw of the big government progressives who think that they can pass any legislation they want with complete disregard for its constitutionality and are content with just leaving that little issue up to the courts to decide.
Amen!
Please read my sig line.
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-15-13, 00:41
The "new" Matt is unable to respond accordingly when searching for a response that includes my thoughts on that woman.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/14/assault-weapons-ban-senate_n_2875855.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/judiciary-approves-assault-weapons-ban-88866.html?hp=t3_3
I think people are over looking a key thing here. In defending restrictions on the 2A, Fienstien says we restrict the 1A by making child porn illegal.
SOOOOO
She equates having a semi-auto rifle or a 10 round mag with having child porn. Why is that not generating news?
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/judiciary-approves-assault-weapons-ban-88866.html?hp=t3_3
I think people are over looking a key thing here. In defending restrictions on the 2A, Fienstien says we restrict the 1A by making child porn illegal.
SOOOOO
She equates having a semi-auto rifle or a 10 round mag with having child porn. Why is that not generating news?
To Feinstein gun owners (except her) are no better than child pornographers.
The entire Senate can debate/vote on it now. If it passes the Senate, it goes to the House. If it passes the House, it goes to the POTUS' desk.
It only goes back to the Senate if the House changes something and then passes the amended version.
Then it goes to a Federal District Court, then a Federal Appellate Court, then the Supreme Court of the United States.
I really hope when deciding on what is unusual, they look into the fact that the AR is the most popular civilian rifle. It's been used by police and military for decades and returning vets since Vietnam are familiar with it.
In my opinion, anything the police are armed with should be available for civilian purchase, even if civvies have to go through the NFA to get it.
ffhounddog
03-15-13, 06:47
Please do not open up the dang NFA can of worms again. That is another comprimise. I do not comprimise even with the government peons I work with.
gunrunner505
03-15-13, 09:16
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/judiciary-approves-assault-weapons-ban-88866.html?hp=t3_3
I think people are over looking a key thing here. In defending restrictions on the 2A, Fienstien says we restrict the 1A by making child porn illegal.
SOOOOO
She equates having a semi-auto rifle or a 10 round mag with having child porn. Why is that not generating news?
Feinstein is a zealot and an idiot. 2 things that when put together are very bad and very dangerous.
Not to mention arrogant, egotistical, selfish, elitist, the list goes on.
If she doesn't want to be treated like a 6th grader then stop acting like one. Go get a 6 pack of grow the **** up and start in.
All of my state and federal senators and reps heard from me last night.
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Feinstein is a perfect example of why the vast majority of the world hates "my" people lol
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