USMC M16A4 - Can anyone identify this sling?

[Captain Fantastic]

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These photos were taken in 2012, and I hope someone can identify the type name and maker of the coyote tan sling.

Also, what is the USMC hardware used to attach sling to the M5 RAS rail?

Thank you.

[CAVDOC]

Look to be the vickers advertised on this site

[Captain Fantastic]

Look to be the vickers advertised on this site

Vickers? What post? Thank you.

[Sam Sr]

Vickers? What post? Thank you.

Advertisement at the top of every page. Or google vickers sling.

[Captain Fantastic]

Advertisement at the top of every page. Or google vickers sling.

I'll check it out, thank you.

[8200rpm]

http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/slings-sling-swivels/slings/ar-15-m16-vickers-combat-applications-sling-prod23992.aspx

Manufacture's Part Number: VCAS125OACB

http://www.blueforcegear.com/vickers-combat-applications-sling/

[Captain Fantastic]

http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/slings-sling-swivels/slings/ar-15-m16-vickers-combat-applications-sling-prod23992.aspx

Manufacture's Part Number: VCAS125OACB

http://www.blueforcegear.com/vickers-combat-applications-sling/

Wow, it pays to advertise. Than you all for your assistance.

[Captain Fantastic]

What is the front sling swivel attached to the RAS rail?

Does that come with the sling, or, made by someone else?

[Dist. Expert 26]

What is the front sling swivel attached to the RAS rail?

Does that come with the sling, or, made by someone else?

The rail doesn't have any sort of sling attachment point, so it must be an aftermarket mount he put on, most likely a QD swivel (I can't really tell in the picture). Either way none of it was issued by the USMC, they only issued POS 3pts until the introduction of the IAR.

[samuse]

The Coyote VCAS is USMC issue now. I have one. It's the same as their regular ones.

If you just want a good solid front mount, I like the aceltd.com solid rail mounts for the front. It's a chunk of aluminum with a screw in it. Nothing to go wrong and the attachment on the front of the VCAS is easy enough on/off without going QD.

You can get both from Blue Force gear.

Sling:
http://www.blueforcegear.com/vickers-combat-applications-sling/

Mount:
http://www.blueforcegear.com/rail-mounted-fixed-loop/

[Zane1844]

Sorry to divert the question of this thread, but: do they replace uppers, or swap out really used ones and use the same lower? The lower looks very well broken in :D or its just painted..

Probably was a stupid question, but just wondering how the USMC keeps their M16's running if they are old.

[Captain Fantastic]

Thank you.

[Captain Fantastic]

Sorry to divert the question of this thread, but: do they replace uppers, or swap out really used ones and use the same lower? The lower looks very well broken in :D or its just painted..

Probably was a stupid question, but just wondering how the USMC keeps their M16's running if they are old.

I have made the observation studying several USMC photo threads from Afghan and Irag - yes, they do look worn. KAS rails loosing their finish, down to bare aluminum. As to recycling their lowers, I have no firsthand knowledge, except the old story that the Corps never wastes anything.

Anyway, it is a good diversion and I hope a lively thread on the subject of CURRENT USMC specific M16A3/4 accessories are put forth.

[Dist. Expert 26]

Sorry to divert the question of this thread, but: do they replace uppers, or swap out really used ones and use the same lower? The lower looks very well broken in :D or its just painted..

Probably was a stupid question, but just wondering how the USMC keeps their M16's running if they are old.

All of our lowers are stamped M16A4 so I can't really say for sure, but I can say that 95% of our rifles look mismatched. I've even seen a couple lowers that have no bluing left at all. Unless its completely broken they won't replace it, and even then it takes a while.

As far as how we keep them running, lots of CLP :sarcastic:

[Zane1844]

All of our lowers are stamped M16A4 so I can't really say for sure, but I can say that 95% of our rifles look mismatched. I've even seen a couple lowers that have no bluing left at all. Unless its completely broken they won't replace it, and even then it takes a while.

As far as how we keep them running, lots of CLP :sarcastic:

Well, I prefer function over finish. (Though I did, and am going to my paint my new AR, "FDE" cause I think its better than black.)

It is good to see how long a lower can last though.

[Failure2Stop]

All of our lowers are stamped M16A4 so I can't really say for sure, but I can say that 95% of our rifles look mismatched. I've even seen a couple lowers that have no bluing left at all. Unless its completely broken they won't replace it, and even then it takes a while.

As far as how we keep them running, lots of CLP :sarcastic:

People doing dumb shit to their guns is 50% of the early wear.

There is not a single drop of "bluing" on the M4/M16. The black finish on steel parts is parkerizing, and the black finish on aluminum parts is anodizing. It annoys the shit our of me when people continuously use incorrect terminology.

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[Dist. Expert 26]

People doing dumb shit to their guns is 50% of the early wear.

There is not a single drop of "bluing" on the M4/M16. The black finish on steel parts is parkerizing, and the black finish on aluminum parts is anodizing. It annoys the shit our of me when people continuously use incorrect terminology.

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Sorry, that's just the grunt term for it. I'll be sure to use the correct terms in the future.

The lower on my rifle does appear to be significantly older/more used than the upper though. Do you have any insight as to the military replacing uppers and reusing lowers?

[Captain Fantastic]

And what does the VCAS Sling loop into at the butt stock end of an M16A4? Does it use the standard rear fixed swivel?

What is the current USMC fixed stock magazine holder?

Does the VCAS sling loop onto that?

[Dist. Expert 26]

The VCAS isn't being issued with M16A4's, but the guys that do run them usually use a buttstock adapter of some sort (I took mine off an old 3pt).

We're not issued any sort of buttstock mag holder. The only people I've seen running them are POGs that only shoot their rifles once a year on the range.

[Captain Fantastic]

The VCAS isn't being issued with M16A4's, but the guys that do run them usually use a buttstock adapter of some sort (I took mine off an old 3pt).

We're not issued any sort of buttstock mag holder. The only people I've seen running them are POGs that only shoot their rifles once a year on the range.

I hear you - I am under the impression, then, if the item is approved (but not issued) then it is up to the individual grunt to pony up their hard earned pay at the px or online.

[Dist. Expert 26]

I hear you - I am under the impression, then, if the item is approved (but not issued) then it is up to the individual grunt to pony up their hard earned pay at the px or online.

Pretty much. From what I hear it will be approved for use when the new MCO on marksmanship comes out, but with all the budget cuts there's no way we'll get them issued (except with the IARs). Most guys buy their own stuff anyway so we don't have to worry about getting in trouble for losing it.

[Captain Fantastic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCmXrNXZpX8

I found this video which helps and I am now on the right path.

[saddlerocker]

I would recommend G&RTactical for a VCAS with sewn in QD Swivels

[Dist. Expert 26]

I would recommend G&RTactical for a VCAS with sewn in QD Swivels

I think the OP is trying to attach it to an A2 style stock, so QD swivels on both ends wouldn't work for him.

[Captain Fantastic]

Thats right - trying to emulate a m16a4

[saddlerocker]

haha, sorry, somehow that went right over my head

[duece71]

I think the OP is trying to attach it to an A2 style stock, so QD swivels on both ends wouldn't work for him.

Impact Weapons Components, they may be able to help the OP with that.

http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/

[hotrodder636]

People doing dumb shit to their guns is 50% of the early wear.

There is not a single drop of "bluing" on the M4/M16. The black finish on steel parts is parkerizing, and the black finish on aluminum parts is anodizing. It annoys the shit our of me when people continuously use incorrect terminology.

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Every now and then it has to be said though....:no:

[Captain Fantastic]

Its all good fun. I have to laugh at the "not one drop of blue" statement - I believe the USGI ejector door springs are blued. But I am not here to poke fun at anyone. I really enjoy the interchange this thread has created - and thank you all for your inputs.

[Failure2Stop]

I hear you - I am under the impression, then, if the item is approved (but not issued) then it is up to the individual grunt to pony up their hard earned pay at the px or online.

The VCAS is now an issued item. They actually have been issued for a few years now as unit purchased items originally.

http://www.blueforcegear.com/nsn-vcas-rifle-sling/


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[Failure2Stop]

Its all good fun. I have to laugh at the "not one drop of blue" statement - I believe the USGI ejector door springs are blued. But I am not here to poke fun at anyone. I really enjoy the interchange this thread has created - and thank you all for your inputs.

Those are parkerized as well.
Bluing is a very distinctive finish, rarely used on modern firearms.

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[Dist. Expert 26]

The VCAS is now an issued item. They actually have been issued for a few years now as unit purchased items originally.

http://www.blueforcegear.com/nsn-vcas-rifle-sling/


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It's only issued out with the IAR, and then only if the weapon is new. I've seen units getting them issued with the old 3pts because people steal the VCAS sling.

While some units purchase them before deployment, they were never officially issued as this is barred by the MCO on marksmanship. I talked recently with some of the people involved with the weapons procurement program and they want to make the VCAS sling the standard, but nothing official has happened yet.

[seb5]

Just to add, many units in various branches issued butt stock mag holders. As already stated most are used by fobbits because they are required to have a magazine with them at all times on the FOB's and do not rate pistols. The SeaBee battalions are issued Specter or London Bridge mag holders and pouches. Those that stay on the FOB's use them. Those that live outside the wire generally loose them as they are a PITA on a rifle that is carried and may be needed. The issued 3 points are from several manufacturers and may be black or tan and generally include attachment devices for fixed or collaspsible stocks and rails or handguards. Sort of a cheap Blue Force Gear contractors kit.